Just to correct a small mistake I made when talking about GDP. With a closer look I realized that they did use GDP per capita PPP (not whole country GDP) but since they never specified that in the actual writing of the study where they simply said GDP PPP and only in the table subtext it made it look like it was just total GDP. My bad. Still, my next point in the video after that was how median income would be a better representation of socioeconomic status. A good example of why GDP per capita still doesn't cut it because high inequality inflates GDP per capita. For example, the US GDP per capita is usually over twice the median income! Darn oligarchs.

"Sorry, Vegans, you're never going to stop getting bombarded with poor excuses for eating meat" would be a more honest subtitle

As an Australian I wouldn’t trust any research about meat from Australia

Saw this last week, excellent dissection of this "study". Seriously I don't know where you get the patience! 🌱

I remember doing cross-sectional stuff in sociology class. It didn't take me long to realize it's pretty worthless. You can make lots of unrelated things look related with the right search.

"Trendy western consumerist lifestyles". Wonder if they would use those same words to define keto, paleo and meat-only diets, given that these lifestyles treat animals' lives as a comodity you can easily take by paying for it.

This was one of your best explanations of study findings. 👏 fantastic

I can't stand "Sorry Vegans!" disgusting headline

Thanks so much for this mic. This was from my home town university and I've been getting smashed by work and family. It's all over the news and I needed something to return fire!

I have been waiting for this video since this latest “study” hit my feed… Great job!

Mic brought out the intellectual gloves to debunk nonsense, well done

I was quite embarrassed to know that a researcher from my uni was on this. They pushed it quite a bit in terms of how popular this study was as well

I wish there was a study on quality of life too (on medication, movement, other physical harms etc.). Now a days with medicine science the life expectancy of even ill people is high so that might not be the complete picture too.

Meat = Longevity? This has to be the biggest joke ever. Don't forget folks. The devil is the master of lies. Thanks for the clarification 🙂

I’d have to argue that meat isn’t necessarily representative of how developed a country is. I live in Italy and they don’t eat tons of meat because it’s not part of their culture… they have millions of recipes, created and refined over thousands of years, and they stick to them. Meat is available, but it’s not the centerpiece like it is in America (especially Texas, where I’m from). They call it “cucina povera” or poor kitchen, because that’s the traditional way… beans, nuts, breads, pasta, polenta, vegetables, fruits, wine, lentils, a little cheese and a little meat,… that’s the Italian way no matter how much money you or the country has. It has blessed them with good health and long lives

New here have see lots of your older videos from 5+ years ago and now watching this new video, gotta say you didn’t age a bit. I’m vegan for 2 years at age 23 and I hope I keep my young face like you Mic. Love the videos!

Glad you did a video on this. I (unfortunately) read through the whole study and you're spot on.

I don’t know how you have the patience to go through all the 💩 that you do. I enjoy the scientific content so well presented. Thanks.

While working part time in a pizza place taking phone orders a customer who knew very little English asked me what is Beef sandwich I answered chopped dead cow. My boss overheard me and was very disapproving of my unappetizing description but it’s the fact in a plain definition and it does sound VERY unappetizing.

yes, that is the biggest thing, i think! an analysis of so many countries to try and correlate meat consumption with longer life expectancy doesn't work when only a couple decades ago, most of these countries consumed a fraction of the meat, and life expectancy and various cause mortality are vastly long term things, so taking a snapshot misses the truth.

I am not a vegan or vegetarian... i am a low carber , but when i did try out vegan yes try it out -i did follow you Mike... now I follow you to listen to the “other side”. I just go with whats right for my health... but wanted you to know still like your content

Great vid. It would be more appropriate to compare the lifespan of different diet styles within each country, than to just have this glazed over data of "country eat meat, not dying as much as people in Myanmar" or something. I think the point about development is obviously the biggest factor. So many countries die from lack of hygiene, random diseases, poor health care, tyranny, war, a lack of food all together, and pollution from developed countries (whether its using their land for farms/factories, or just them not having the infrastructure to have purified households). When you look into a single country (any country really), it seems like populations that are not dying from poverty, that eat less meat or are vegetarian, live waaaaay longer. Like you said the Blue Zones eat so little meat and they are the kings of sticking around

I joined a brunch group a little while ago. The hostess is a big fan of eggs, and has served them each time (since learning I’m vegan, she’s also been very gracious and made plant based options, too). The first time we all got together, it came up that I was vegan. The other people were asking me questions, genuinely curious. I shared some facts about eggs, for instance how 1 egg contains nearly the entire maximum recommended daily intake of dietary cholesterol, or how, legally, egg companies cannot advertise their products as safe or healthy if they want to use government money for the ad. Everyone was shocked at this information. Every week since that conversation , we get together and there are eggs on the table. There is always a comment shared between the egg eaters about how they may be unhealthy/have a lot of cholesterol, but it’s okay, because reasons (“I exercise a lot.” “Those recommendations are conflated.”). I don’t say anything, because I know it won’t make any difference. I’ve long since realised that people would much rather hear good news about their bad habits. On the other hand, I never feel the need at the table to justify the fruit I’m eating.

Not a conspiracy theorist, but on the face of it it can't be unrelated to the uptick in Australian veganism. There is no way this is not in part a response to that. This was an excellent analysis of this research, which seems to be a variation on the theme of that study in Africa--give hungry children meat soup instead of veggie broth and they'll have more energy, well, duh--so thanks for posting : )

Excellent, as always! Thanks for your in depth analysis -- Your hard work is always appreciated!

Great video. It's helpful when someone who knows how to understand studies breaks it down.

This is great. Thank you for finding these topics and picking them apart. Very important. Not a lot of folks doing this. As the meat industry fails they will stop at nothing to spread lies.

Thank you for breaking this down. I really appreciate your content. I learn a lot in every video.

9:20 how many luxury items do I have to purchase to become immortal?

Hi, Mic. Could you look into a Lancet study that showed correlation between high cholesterol and lower elderly >80 mortality?

I saw that headline; MictheVegan is on it!

Top drawer as always! Makes Shawn Baker look like a fool.

God, I wish there was a real French paradox so my brother did not drop dead in his Paris apartment from a massive heart attack at age 61. Too young to go. A formidable athlete but not a healthy eater with a high blood pressure problem.

I hate how junk studies get recognized

Mic thanks so much for doing this! You were the first person I thought to send the article to. :)

I would prefer we start using the word, 'flesh'. I don't like that we use the word 'meat'. There was a time when the word mostly referred to allllllll foods, and most of the time, flesh was referred to as flesh. I prefer that we do this again. Words can be reflections and influences of our thinking and behaviour. It is why those who make a living exploiting the reproductive processes of bovines hate when we vegans use the word, 'milk'. It interferes with their goals, even though the word milk has been used longer than I can document, when referring to plant excretions, and even astronomical entities. Also, a side line almost non sequitur, heh; gdp leaves so much out when it comes to how gdp is even accumulated; what counts as metrics. For a more eloquent explanation of that, see the 2019 davos conference about gdp. While there reacquaint oneself with the excellent panel on economic inequality - if one hasn't seen it, it is very good, worth a listen. The panelists are amazing.

The "meat good" people will have their bias come back and bite them in the butt, or lower colon, heart, etc. someday. Oh well...

Once again, a non-biased, fact based analysis. You're a gem. When smart people like you turn to plant-based eating, it's obvious that it's an eating plan with actual science behind it.

Great stuff as always Mic, thanks these they are gold 🏆🥇🏅

I read this study and its wording is really biased. They include a lot of sentences that seem like they are just intended to be personal jabs at vegans and aren't in any way actually related to the study.

What kind of serious researcher would define sweet potatoes and white sugar as belonging to the same food group labeled "carbohydrate crops"? I doubt the Okinawans would be in a Blue Zone if Skittles were their staple. Perhaps these researchers should do a double-blind randomized control trial with placebo control to test their Skittles vs. Sweet Potato equivalence hypothesis. Cheers!

But, does longevity mean living or existing? All the meat eaters in my family over 50 are diseased and only make it to the next day because of medication. Sorry for the anecdote that apparently accounts for nothing.

great video Mic!!👏👐💚

This was posted 9 minutes ago but I watched the whole 22 minutes by watching in 3x speed

The Lancet Impact Factor is 79. New England JoM- 91. Hahaha, Archie Comics IF is 3.3. That's 0.9 above The Australian Journal of Thingyness. (joke...umm, but only a liddle). Glad to see you got onto this so quick Mic! Great work mate.

I think I get the idea: People who can afford to buy a lot of meat generally live longer, while those who might just eat the occasional rat or something have low life expectancy. Or more simply, meat = food. People who have plenty of food tend to live longer than those who don't.

Brilliant analysis 🧐 outstanding!

Great video, I appreciate your knowledge.

Excellent research and reporting. Keep up the good work, man! 👍🏼

Thanks for breaking this down!

Great video, Thanks Mic!

So how do vegans get all the over 15 nutrients that are not found in plants without taking any supplements or injections?

The hell is wrong with these people

Where's the link to the PLOS study calculator for life expectancy? @20:10

Great job Mikey !

Great observations, Mic!

What textbooks or courses would you recommend to understand studies like this? Thanks!

I mean, even the average person knows that the more fruits and veggies you eat, the healthier you are. My meat eating friends and my dad say that I'm always eating healthy, but then turn around and say that I need to eat meat or I'm not going to be healthy... 🙄 Ok Bruh.

This study sounds like an instance of “we like to hear good news about our bad habits” and the people writing it are personally addicted to meat and want to justify themselves.

This is an actual quote from the study: "People on vegetarian diets may be able to maintain “health” because they avoid potential meat-related nutrient deficiencies through one or more of the following ways: 1) Taking meat nutrient replacements to meet essential nutrient needs. 2) Eating a vegetarian diet and identifying as vegetarian are two different things. Ruby (2012) and Rosenfeld and Burrow3,69 have concluded that the majority of self-identified vegetarians may still eat meat occasionally. This would allow them to absorb the unique nutrients from meat.69 3) Many vegetarians do not follow meat-free diets from birth. Instead, many have decided to avoid eating meat at some point during their adult lives.94 Thus, their dietary limitations missed the period of critical growth and development - childhood and early adolescence. 4) Many vegetarians include dairy products in their diets (eg, Hindus). These contain animal proteins and minerals in proportions similar to meat. Saturated fat in red meat has been associated with the onset of atherosclerosis. However, this hypothesis has been based on observational or animal studies, instead of randomised controlled trials, a standard study designed to identify the causal relationship.95 Therefore, this conclusion has been subject to debate."

Hey Mike (Mic?), I read something on the NHS (I think that's what it was) website saying B vitamins (B12 and B6 specifically) make you fat/cause obesity. Could you do a video on that? I was just googling if vitamins make you gain weight and that came up. I don't think it's right and probably has something to do with enriched foods, but I don't know. 🤷🏻‍♀️

👍 #BoycottMeat and all other animal products of cruelty and exploitation in any way possible!

Meat is good for you.

Ungh... Australian? I feel embarrassed that I'm also an Aussie.

Another great video and Nice guitars! 😁

Meat simply has more nutrients, doesn't cause bloating it's like its meant to be a part of you, you get a deep fulfilled satiation feeling. Some fibre foods are still good too. Meat is a higher vibrational structure, plants are complex too but plants are a lower vibrational food. It's good to get high and low vibrational nutrients. Unless you're stuck at sea, you don't wanna eat bread , it'll sap your vitamin c levels, why some people call empty carbs an anti nutrient. Unless you're gonna bring lemons to go with the bread, otherwise you may aswell switch to your keto tank. We're a hybrid machine for a reason.

Awesome, thank you! Really enjoyed the video

Vegans: “Listen to the science” Science: *Goes against Vegansim* Vegans: “Noooooo I didn’t say science that goes against our beliefs!”

I saw this and knew it was only a matter of time before Mike took it to task.

Hong Kong has the highest life expectancy in the world. Hong Kong has the highest meat consumption per capita in the world equivalent to two pieces of 10-oz steak per day. Hong Kong has the highest average IQ of 108 in the world.

Nice video and guitars!

I was searching for a debunk of this study and i've found you of course. 😂

Thank you 😊😊

Why does junk science like this get so much traction? It's so frustrating how intellectually dishonest the media can be when it comes to veganism.. and most things, I guess.

Just a point about science: If you have to adjust the data to fit the theory, the theory is flawed. I am personally more impressed by people's life stories than any statistical analysis.

Great breakdown. A bit wonky but that's why I need to hear it from you so I understand it somewhat.

fantastic analysis

"you need a team of researchers to".. Nope just one statistical nerd would do it. That paper was linked to me in a discussion on The gram and even its statistical cross sectional analysis controls were done very poorly. Mostly you use a certain preselected control that has proper references and research behind it. These controls were taking from very random papers to skew results or just incompetence. This is how they actually "failed" some controls. Because they went off road to some fishing reference to get their some even unconfirmed controls.

Mic we need your help! Please respond to: 10,000 Years Ago We Stopped Eating This and It Was a Huge Mistake. This video could do some real damage

Why eat meat when there's beyondmeat now and justegg.

Bro stop hating on us meat eaters, we aren't causing any more harm than you! you can't expect others to undergo a vegan diet when their bodies can't handle it.

Why is it that wild carnivores arent dying from heart disease or strokes? Then the next question is why are our pet dogs when fed the dry food garbage which is comprised of 70% plant matter cooked at high heat, equivalent to a standard american garbage diet get the same diseases like heart disease, type 2 diabetes, cancers, tooth decay and their wild cousins the wolf who only genetically are different from our pet dogs in that they cannot eat starch snd dogs evolved along side humans have evolved to eat it. Yet wolves eating a predominantly meat based diet also do not get the typical human diseases. The answer is once again excess sugar in our diets from grain, starch and fruit eaten as a part of our daily diet. Animals dont eat processed foods unless domesticated. What happens to a free range cow grazing on grass? It remains healthy and not very fat. Feed that same cow grain and in a very short time they become really damn fat, great for profits but bad for health. So all you blind vegans can go on believing the foolishness that meat causes disease but your estrogen poisoning from your excess soy consumption has destroyed your rationality. My 2 year old dog has never eaten dry or processed dog food i make his dog food with all raw chicken, beef, pork and salmon and organs. Additionally he gets raw meaty bones daily snd his teeth are immaculate, he is fit and healthy. The breed typically lives to 13-15 my money he lives to 20 at least. Could always have genetics for a short life but he wont die from food related issues. Oh snd wolves and dogs are also omnivores.

Grass-fed animal meat or ... this matters. Ditto for plants with pesticides or not. Processed carbs are bad. We agree. Right

Is enriched bread vegan? How do I know if a brand of bread uses non-heme iron?

Will you talk about Ray Peat and the pro metabolic crowd?

🤣🤣🤣 sorry not convinced. Will continue my carnivorous diet I’ve been on since 2018. Reversed too many issues to believe “studies”.

I noticed nations with highest life expectancy often eat liver as a treat. But they also have kimchi. So i'm wondering if either of those foods play a factor. Or maybe the balanced diet of both works. According to some health officials what you eat has no effect on body health. So who knows for sure. Studies can be used to prove anything.

🤯 My brain explodes from all the info.

Vegan for the animals ! 👵🌿

The claim about 7th Day Adventists is a valid one. Latter Days Saints (Mormons) have the same lifespan despite having higher meat intake.

Hey Mic do you read your emails?!

Thank you so much, Mic!! Great job breaking down that garbage study!

1:34 did you know mic has never spelled anything wrong before? Video was really good tho.

High Intensity Health has just pushed this study as a good one!

I’m vegan, and as an Australian this doesn’t shock me to see it’s our study. We eat and export a LOT of meat, our country also is very proud of local food and products and a lot of that is beef, lamb, chicken and pork which “feels” healthier because it’s “humane” and approved. there’s a lot of incentive to have study results that suggest it’s healthy for you because it’s such a big part of culture and society here

correlation ≠ causation

Mics vegan child died at 1 years old. Wonder how long meat would’ve extended life expectancy….

Imagine taking a guy who literally looks like a corpse seriously when speaking on this subject.

Great video

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