Alloy is the most logical, cost effective choice for a bike frame, that's why I have a steel and a carbon bike.

You must be kidding… calling out charging small axs battery while producing an HD high Bitrate video stream intended for being up on the internet. Guess how many batteries we could have charged just by all the views from one video. That was an L take. The battery itself is a whole other story but the charging… uff

Sorry, back of the envelope here - but the energy needed to fully charge a di2 battery is the same amount of energy used by an average electric car over ~30 metres. Or ~10% of the energy needed to boil a kettle and make a cup of tea. Very happy you’re starting the conversation, just not sure that particular point sits right.

The level of BS in the first minutes is almost DurianRider level.

It is a little silly to say that Di2 is bad due to the reliance on electricity, but then to end on "we love electric bikes over here", considering the discrepancy between the energy requirements for both.

Really don't think cyclists with di2 batteries are much of an enemy to the environment. As long as people are allowed private jets and gigantic cars with one person in , I have no time to hear about how di2 batteries are bad for the earth. Need to start at the top with these issues.

I came here to listen to hipster-snob opinions ))

People are still riding alloy bikes from the 80's...

I'm a 130 kg rider on an alloy frame Triban, riding it 3-5000 km/year since 2019. I've been through three wheelsets but the frame is running strong.

Reliance on energy is bad? You do realise your entire business is reliant on energy? What a ridiculous statement to make.

Wait, were you ripping on Di2 but like e-bikes for the environment?

I hate any brand that uses proprietary sizes. Seat posts, stems, headsets, BB. I want a bike that I can find spare parts any where

A couple of very important corrections. 1. BMW electric cars have carbon fiber bodies. Other cars have fiberglass bodies. 2. Di2 batteries are charged once every few months. The power they draw to do that is minimal. 3. Regarding sustainability, what is the cost to the environment of mining aluminium? Titanium? What are the social costs? Bear in mind that the cost of extracting these metals in useable form from their oxides in ore is VERY high and generates massive amounts of chemical waste. For titanium, the process is incredibly energy intensive, and hence its very high cost.. Turning it into tubes also requires huge amounts of energy. Meanwhile, there are a number of companies who have developed industrial methods for recycling carbon composites. Expect this to become far more common as the use of these materials expands. I could go on, but you are making narrow and simplistic arguments without looking at the whole picture. It is almost as absurd as your "it's a myth that helmets make you safer" comment.

I love these discussions and that the videos are under 10 minutes. Keep it up!

A SRAM battery is 300mAH, it's a completely inconsequential amount of energy to charge that even compared to a mobile phone. Anyone trying to "gotcha" you about environmental concerns by bringing that up is being extremely disingenuous to say the least.

Arguing the environmental merits of alloy vs. carbon, or mechanical groupsets vs. electronic ones, is kind of silly. Bikes are part of the same industrial infrastructure as pretty much everything else we use, and manufacturing them, transporting them across the ocean, repairing them, and ultimately disposing of them is going to cause a certain amount of environmental damage no matter what. The difference between bicycles and cars is a quantitative one, not qualitative: they just cause a little less damage because they use fewer resources.

Wait… you bring up environmental concerns when discussing electronic shifting, then finish with “we love e-bikes” and no qualifications about the environmental issues 🤦‍♂️

Ok, thats when lack of engineering background starts to become a problem.

Love these. Curious why not Gravel/Road/Mountain?

What do you mean by alloy, aluminum alloy? Every metal bike out there is made from some sort of alloy, so to differentiate between an alloy bike, a steel bike, and a titanium bike is nonsensical.

Hearing which bikes you sell in your bike shop makes me think that you is the Man.

68 years old My USA Black Friday TIME ADHX makes me smile everyday like no other bike in my lifetime AND the new GRX brakes our so comfortable and well designed with so much power while upright

In many cases it´s easier to repair a carbon frame than a titanium frame. You weld the cracked titanium frame and have a stress riser, it will crack again just by the weld. Have you really never seen a repaired carbon frame? Never heard of Raoul Luescher?? Stunning. Rgr

Love this channel and HMU when you come to Taipei next year.

How will an Alloy bike deteriorate?

I only get about 4 years out of an alloy bike frame, but have never broken a Ti frame.

Smart guy! Love/tolerate his choices...😉

Totally agree with the Cannondale sentiment. I had a Saeco Team replica and it was the love of my life. It was stolen and I miss it every day.

Carbon just transmits your power so much smoother. I'm borrowing my dad's alloy bike since my carbon bike is in repair, and it just feels harder to transmit power through and it feels wobbly

You guys have some good content that interests me but the videos are really long and I end up giving up before getting to the next thing I'm interested in. Having chapters / time markers / whatever they're called in the videos would be amazing!

Really don't understand the appeal in Gravel. We're roadie's because we don't want to get covered in mud or get dirt on our bikes.

I want to love alloy, but my firsthand experience is that it’s a savage ride compared to the other two. I’d love to try a steel bike with a lightweight build. Other than that, my next bike will be titanium providing I can find one that doesn’t flex.

Can you elaborate about how long we can expect an alloy frame to last? Mine is 10 years old, used a lot, but I take good care of it.

In Ukraine everyone knows that any crack on alloy frame can be fixed by some guy at garage 😂 And it works for years, magic 😁

I appreciate everyone here in the comments calling out their ignorance regarding environmental impact of battery charging and lack of understanding of how renewable energy works

Lots of misinformation-“Cars use metal but bikes use carbon for weight”. Cars also use a lot of plastic/composites coincidentally also for weight savings. TIME uses resin transfer molding but they are not alone, 3T does the same for their frames made in Italy.

Did beard almost say that a plastic outer is more environmentally unfriendly than a making a land charging a battery 😅

If brands could find a way of making an absolute minimalistic dynamo for eletronic shifting (I mean real small, not those humongous found on commuter bikes) then I would definitely switch to Di2, it would solve all the talk about batteries and stuff. Brands should focus on that instead of propietary componets and similar bs

ride in the Netherlands, safe on the road ;)! still have to look out yourself off course :D!

these guys are clueless...

I wanna know what you guys think of ‘smaller’ brands like Planet X. They’re local to me and to my knowledge you’ve never spoken about them.

Are you driving a car from the 1950s? Todays cars are all covered in plastics, whether cheap or expensive.

carbon for the fancy beautiful road bike... alloy for all the other 15 bikes that we want to have 😅

You are confusing aluminum with "alloy." An alloy is defined as "a substance composed of two or more metals..."

Never road a carbon bike before. Saving up for one. Just scared of it breaking

Wow a man who absolutely I agree with! Owned many Tommasin’s, still have a 1990s TecnoTig and a Carbon VLC2. Superb to ride, very high quality, super reliable with the perfect level of Italian bling. eBike looks horrible. I hope the new owners don’t steer the company too far in the wrong direction.

I love the fact that road biking flows. I love the speed I love how it feels yet I still mountain bike keep up the skills, a different type of fitness and of course I have a park by my house that I can ride to also to the commentary about steel titanium aluminum all that stuff I have aluminum Canondale fixed gear that you can see in my profile picture and yet I ride a carbon Trek Madone 2011 , 11 sp rim brake with Zipp wheels . I don’t own a titanium framed bike. I would like in the future. I also have a gravel bike and that’s a specialized diverge, which gets not as much use as the other bikes so the thing about the carbon bikes is they can be shaped into aerodynamic designs however, they’re only experimenting now with titanium and of course aluminum. I’ve seen some designs and frames, but you can’t shape them like you can with the carbon. Also, the carbon frames are very snappy, they’re very racy like the accelerate very quickly when you get on the pedals . There’s something to carbon frames that are good for racing and things like that that racers prefer. Maybe if the racers or the pros are not racing anymore maybe they’d like to have a titanium frame so you gotta check out the butterfly effect KZfaq channel Chris Horner. He talks about what he rides he used to be a pro .

-It seems the CADE Media stance is “WE should get to have expensive carbon bikes, our VIEWERS should put up with lesser metal ones that are ‘low impact’. OUR channel’s shop uses wireless groupsets but YOU should buy a mechanical one for the environment”. -I’m not a fan of TREK or Canyon either, but I’m not going to hate on them for providing relatively accessible and affordable options to people. -The energy required to process aluminum or titanium as a raw material into a usable alloy to then make a bicycle frame would give you three fits, evidently. -Cars, like bikes, use a variety of materials including plastic and (gasp) carbon fiber. -It’s been stated many times in this section, but the energy to charge a SRAM shifter battery is so minuscule it’s not even worth discussing. You use more making a cup of tea. -E Bikes are a great form of transport. They will not replace cars but can substitute in some areas. If you are worried about the energy of a Di2 battery you should not be pro-e bike, but the reason most cyclists hate on E bikes is because no one riding one that could ride a manual bike is getting the same health benefits.

Good to see all bike riders are not the same!

Should be called Embodied energy rather than just environmental impact. Also Cradle to Grave.

Wow, I charge my Di2 6 times a year, less that 2kWh per year in total. Most people use more than that a day for a kettle.

I love the seat post nonsense on my Madone; don't knock it until you try it. Forget the aero and lightness advantage, the ride is much more comfortable than my BMC.

Sorry Jimmy, there are plenty of Carbon fiber parts in everyday hybrid cars from Toyota. My dad has Rav4 Prime, got a small accident, needed to replace uber expensive carbon parts, same thing happened with his Prius Prime !

Trek is the Lamborghini of the cycling world

Critical of the energy to recharge batteries, but everything on a bike comes in single use plastics...

Aren't titanium and alloy products of the mining industry?

I am pretty sure that Time Bikes is now under American ownership, but they are still made in Europe.

Alloy (Steel or Aluminium) bikes don’t become softer, more so aluminium … if you knew anything about Metallurgy, alloy becomes work hardened and stiffer with time & use, hence the reason aluminium frame are prone to cracking with age

And... I'm out at 2:34. "Electronic shifting creates a reliance on energy." You just can't make this stuff up.

Alloy is cheaper to the point you can buy 10 of it in a price of a good carbon frame.

In terms of environmental impact carbon fibre is not as bad. If a carbon fibre frame suffers a small hole in a crash, it can be repared. If that happens to an aluminium frame, you need to throw it away, because welding the hole shut will weaken the frame even further. And btw. Tommasini works with all mentioned materials - aluminium, carbon fibre and steel.

I don’t agree all kinds of crazy AZZ pollution in getting metal to bicycle frame use

Alot of tree huggers in cycling I've noticed, ive only been cycling a couple of years.i know its not going to save the planet though.

The girl doesn't like electronic shifting because you have to charge the shifter. She loves E-Bikes... because you have to charge them before you use them? WTF???

TIME being a French manufacturer is quite debatable since they make frames in Slovakia.

Titanium Mechanical Champagnolo Road, or go MTB

Oh kmon, this microscopic amounts of cycle gear wasted in comparison to all the pladtic packaging and all the fast food clothing and stuuf, thats just ridiculous

NOT CORRECT you can repair ANY alloy frame think small racing engines the alloy blocks are repaired all the time here i have seen alloy fork tubes repaired numerous times not a problem .Gravel Sucks.

He's right , a TOMMASINI e-bike is like a Rolls Royce Phantom EWB...........................diesel !!!!

Many things are unnecessary and cost energy to produce. The graphics on your shirt, the color of your shirt -- why not just plain white with no color? The orange paint on the wall -- why paint it and suffer the energy cost of making it, of having a painter drive over and paint it on? Wearing kit is not necessary. Many argue flats are as good as shoes with clipless pedals. Why not make everything the bare minimum and all alike, say like in the former USSR? Give me a break. Cannot people have something because they work hard as hell to earn the money and would like to have shifting that did not need adjustment? The entire notion that miniscule amounts of power needed to charge rechargeable batteries (aren't those the favored type after all?) should potentially disqualify a purchase is asinine

i dont get the love for Ti. Ti bikes ride like delivery trucks. carbon bikes are COMFY. alloy is the same as Ti for me... why ride a frame that makes it harsher on an already harsh platform .

Time trial cant happen with traffic.... u must clear the roads..... road.trail.timetrial. canyon all the way.😂

Is this a podcast for overweight freds?

Let's face it. Alloy is for losers.

that lady obviously had nothing to say, and then made a big mistake by opening her trap and saying Di2 battery are an environmental issue due to charging each time. Wow...just wow...

REALLY putting Nick on the spot here Jimmy…….

BS

About frame material, in my opinion: Love Alloy, tolerate carbon and hate titanium. Alloy is the only framematerial any entrylevel/casual cyclist need to care about. Carbon make sense on a professional/high-end level. Titaniums only point is for people that want to demonstrate their wallets for the hole world. No thanks!

These two are so full of inaccuracies and contradictions. They can’t hate on brands and price then espouse even more expensive alternatives. Come on Cade Media, I had better hopes for you.

Love Steel. Cheap, repairable, strong, recyclable. It's a Win, Win, Win

Considering that a bike frame is less than 2kg the environmental impact is neglectable. A Bike frame last 20years and more. But with a car you change 2l petrol with 40km into dust. Each 100km car ride is one bike frame.

I hate alloy bikes, after I broke two Caad12. The 1st after 20.000 k, got a replacement that lasted 10.000 k longer. Both cracked at the junction between seat and top tube. Yes I'm heavy (105 kg), but also 62 and doing nothing fancy with my bikes. Now I got a Caad13 as replacement, but my trust in alloy is gone.

Damn this dude is (the grey haired guy) is way out of touch related to manufacturing and end of life impacts.

Who cares if you can't recycle a carbon bike? It takes carbon out of the environment and isolates it. Isn't that what you want

Road riding is the best thing in the world. What? Clearly you don't have the skills to mountain bike! : )

It's impressive how Trek as become the most boring brand of bike in the world. They're even more boring than Giant now

By Titanium he lost me immediately! And the arguments are just nonsense. Stopped watching right here, after finishing this comment.

Can you guys please play Overrated or Underrated for BMC next show😊 @cademedia

What is going on with this channel??? Is this still about cycling or now an enviro channel??

Funny, ask anyone of these guys if they drive an Electric Car. OH those BATTERIES ! Gona bury them right? So good for the "environment".

This talking-heads style of video is boring and hard to follow.

You lost me when you said electric shifting was “unenvironmentally friendly” cause it causes us to have a reliance on energy. Your phone? Your computer? Producing less waste cause you don’t have to change your cables and plastic housing every year which uses energy to make these materials. Unsubscribed

So glasses guys hates carbon because he is a tree hugger but loves Time because of how the make their carbon bikes?

Cade Media slowly morphed into a reel of clickbait, contradictory, hipster contrarianism. Time to unsubscribe. Bike Fit James is the only reason to stick around.

These vids = Yawn

Thanks for repping the environment. Cycling is a privilege but a healthy environment is a necessity.

The lady talks sense regarding electronic gears plus i think she is hot !!!

Charging the batteries is an environmental problem. 🤔🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ Woman bringing emotions into engieering.

Smells like environmental virtue signaling in here.

Your podcast took more energy than jut about all the watchers Di2 combined, your eco argument is just stupid. You can recycle carbon and lasts longer these days and alloy production is hidiously energy intensive.....