Mechanical vs Electronic Shutter

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Anthony Gugliotta

3 ай бұрын

Mechanical vs Electronic Shutter in Photography
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@jeandenisvarletphotography 3 ай бұрын

Hi, can you elaborate a bit more on why electronic shuuter would mess up the long exposure photos compared to to mechanical.

@rubygreen1249 3 ай бұрын

In rooms with cheap lights you can get some black bars across your image from my experience atleast

@sn4rl277 3 ай бұрын

@@rubygreen1249 Its called Banding or that's what most photographers are coining it as.

@barneylaurance1865 3 ай бұрын

@@rubygreen1249That's with LEDs that use PWM. Afaik it's not just cheap lights but I don't think it would affect long exposure. If the exposure is long enough to fully capture the full on/off duty cycle of the light it shouldn't be an issue. The banding comes when the light is on for part of the frame as the shutter rolls down and off for part. With a long exposure the entire frame should see the mix of on and off and you wouldn't get banding.

@nvduceii 2 ай бұрын

Electronic shutter, in fact, can even be good for long exposure as there is absolutely ZERO camera vibration when taking the photo so no risk of blur

@Kniesoor 2 ай бұрын

How do both differ at shutters speeds of multiple seconds? In both scenarios the shutter is open the whole time right?

@orvvro 9 күн бұрын

All of this photography knowledge yet nobody has ever told me how sensor readout works when shooting with the mechanical shutter.

@stephendasilvamadeira2749 6 күн бұрын

THIS. I have the same freaking question. Like, the sensor is the same, so why 1st curtain or full mechaninc don't have the same issue?

@mokumoki 2 күн бұрын

From how I understand it, using a mechanical shutter helps control the amount of light coming in. This is the main difference because using an electronic shutter means there's no way to control the light being exposed, and light from the "future" (after you press the shutter button) will still constantly hitting the sensor, faster than the sensor read out rate. So by the time the sensor reads the rest of the sensor, light from the future is already hitting and overwriting the sensor, hence the rolling shutter effect. Meanwhile, on a mechanical shutter, you can control the amount of light going into the sensor. The sensor is still going to read line by line, but the "future" light is not overwriting the captured "current" (the moment shutter open and closes) hence no rolling shutter effect.

@user-gl1ph7dk6b 3 ай бұрын

Yeah, but electronic shutter can shoot at a higher frame rate, so if your trying to shoot something like sports and need as many shots as possible to catch the right moment, electronic shutter may be the best option. Electronic may also be great for wildlife that you don't want to spook or alert with the sound of a mechanical shutter. The main downside though, at least in my experience, is electronic shutter has less dynamic range and look a little bit more noisy in my opinion. That's why i still use mechanical for most photos I take.

@tykeboy16 2 ай бұрын

Depends on the quality as well, shutter drag is a very real issue

@Bonafan 3 ай бұрын

or you wanna use flash (main reason for me to switch to mechanical)

@janw8413 3 ай бұрын

Mabey you could also mention, that with some displays (for example on events or shows) you also get flickering on the screen with electronic shutter. Thats my usecase to switch modes

@josethevegan8923 3 ай бұрын

Thank you Anthony!

@atvlouis 2 ай бұрын

The thing is it’s different for most cameras. For example the canon r3 and Nikon d9 are electronic only. But the sensor read out is so fast that it doesn’t make a difference.

@dodycjduif 3 ай бұрын

What about the 1st curtain

@sn4rl277 3 ай бұрын

What you mean is "Electronic 1st curtain". It's a Hybrid between the Mechanical shutter and Electronic shutter.

@justinburley8659 3 ай бұрын

@@sn4rl277 I understand that it’s a hybrid, but what are the pros and cons of using one over the other? I only have electronic first curtain on my r50, so I curious

@sn4rl277 3 ай бұрын

@@justinburley8659 First off it negates the inherent issues of Electronic shutter like using high sync flash, and shooting at higher aperture on a lens like f8 and up. It's the best of the do it all of Mechanical shutter, with the speed perks, mixed in with a little of the quietness of Electronic shutter. I know my Fuji has like 6 shutter settings with these three mixed in for all types of shooting situations. Hope this helps some.

@barneylaurance1865 3 ай бұрын

It can chop up your bokeh balls a bit by introducing paralax between the electronic 1st curtain and the mechanical 2nd curtain.

@petrpohnan875 2 ай бұрын

@@barneylaurance1865 This is only valid with shutter speeds faster than about 1/1000s AND apertures faster than about f/2.

@stijngielisse 3 ай бұрын

Ah man I was shooting a band inside with electronic shutter all the photos were ruined because I didn’t know I needed to shoot mechanical with led lights 😢

@KengCheong 3 ай бұрын

Yeah, it’s same with fluorescent light I think. I remember when I first got the Sony A7m3 and got banding all over my pictures and was wondering what was going on

@barneylaurance1865 3 ай бұрын

That's pulse width modulation for you!

@rogergranquist 3 ай бұрын

If the sensor reads line by line, what does the shutter even matter other than to cover the sensor when not being used? I have the r8 but use electronic shutter pretty much all the time. I guess I don’t see how the shutter helps in really fast motion if the sensor reads line by line whether or not the shutter is there… what am I missing?

@pike8110 3 ай бұрын

The first thing that came to my mind was lighting & rolling shutter. Elec. shutter can cause weird artifacts with certain lights, especially flickering light sources. If you shoot outside - you’re probably fine, but if you shoot on a some kind of an indoor court… you can see where this is going. I’ve seen sports photographers complain about some gyms having older flickering ceiling lights. And the other thing is rolling shutter which is usually a little bit more pronounced when using electronic shutter. However, not all sensors are made equal, so some cameras will handle this better. For flickering lights - if I remember correctly, there’s usually an option that compensates for that when using elec. shutter, but I’m not sure. If it does, there’s definitely a compromise that comes with it. Anyways, feel free to correct me if you think anything I’ve said is wrong.

@pawelmod3292 3 ай бұрын

Mechanical shutter needs around 4ms to start/stop exposure, this is the time when curtain moves from the top to the bottom of the sensor. Even mechanical shutter can distort an image of fast moving object. The electronic shutter needs usually much more time like 25 or even 100ms for some high resolution sensors. The exception are stacked sensors that are as fast as mechanical shutters (or faster). Please do not confuse exposure time (shutter time) with shutter speed. Two different things.

@elnitram4313 3 ай бұрын

With electronic shutter you get distorted images of moving objects as ever line I captured at a different time. Looks especially horrible for a golf club.

@rogergranquist 3 ай бұрын

@@pawelmod3292 I do understand the effect, but doesn’t the sensor read the same line by line regardless of whether the shutter opens and closes?

@pawelmod3292 3 ай бұрын

@@rogergranquist yes. But once the mechanical shutter is closed and the light is not reaching the sensor, the readout speed is not impacting the distortion, because all photons are already collected. Sensor readout speed impacts the distortion when electronic shutter is used. Mechanical curtain speed impacts distortion when mechanical shutter is used. The only way to have always undistorted image is to use global shutter. Of course in 99% of the photographs it doesn’t matter ;-) but at the same time there are situations where it matters.

@TheMainCore 2 күн бұрын

This has not been a problem for Sony in yeeaars.

@undifinder6643 3 ай бұрын

Slient shutter mode doesnt close shutter curtain when your Canon is turned off so I just tape the speaker.

@ds_capture 3 ай бұрын

Or you have something like a Z8/Z9 which doesn´t have a mechanical at all but a double stacked sensor which is so fast, that you don´t have the problem with fast moving objects. Just saying as a Z8 shooter XD

@jerwinmindajao1700 3 ай бұрын

My dream R6 huhu 😢

@pawelmod3292 3 ай бұрын

Or you can skip mechanical shutter if you have fast sensors like a91, a92, a1, r3, z9, z8; or if you have global shutter like a93 :->

@JiamingHu-qi9cy 3 ай бұрын

nice

@aravindpujari4 3 ай бұрын

Sony A9 mark 3 started laughing

@parsav5247 3 ай бұрын

I really love mechanical shutter's sound, that's why I never use electric shutter

@sn4rl277 3 ай бұрын

Four years ago I would have never thought I would have a Mirrorless. But now I have one and man it is nice. Sometimes I need to be quiet in an event and the Electronic shutter is very nice. Also I can spray and pray in situations where I don't know if I will get the shot. I still have DSLR's I use, but plan to slowly move to Mirrorless as the prices drop over time.

@parsav5247 3 ай бұрын

@@sn4rl277 me too brother

@freezerfridge7486 2 ай бұрын

@@sn4rl277i bought mirrorless camera because it's really cheap (M43 camera) i originally want to buy a dslr but they are too expensive even the older dslr like canon 400d

@M.B.theunique1 2 ай бұрын

Is this applies for mirrorless as well ?

@subwarpspeed 2 ай бұрын

It is a mirrorless camera he shows it on.

@benjaminmartin6144 2 ай бұрын

i have a dslr

@PNSprodutiondapateh 3 ай бұрын

I have a question do phones uses mechanical shutter or electronic

@subwarpspeed 2 ай бұрын

Electronic - you don't see a mechanical thing moving in the lens, right?

@kyroskondor3429 3 ай бұрын

What are the 2 red dots on hanging on his Kamera

@il0vewikipedia 3 ай бұрын

Peak Design anchors. It's for attaching the camera strap. If you don't know them, check them out, you can find third party straps that also use the peak design anchors

@appii5782 3 ай бұрын

whats with the little red dongles on the camera?

@sn4rl277 3 ай бұрын

Peak Design "Anchors" for there camera straps, super handy and fast release from your camera strap.

@barneylaurance1865 3 ай бұрын

@@sn4rl277I think they make them bright red on purpose so they advertise themselves to other photographers.

@sn4rl277 3 ай бұрын

@@barneylaurance1865 You can buy black ones now. But yes I found out about them after watching reviews on camera gear. I love the Slide strap, and plan to get a Capture clip sometime this year. I have had my Slide strap for 5 years now, and it has been all over the place. But still looks new, and the anchors are in good shape as well. Even after it being the main strap for my D4 + 70-200mm 2.8 combo.

@ramniwas-vo9eb 2 ай бұрын

But nikon z9 has no machanical shutter system

@akshayparab6805 3 ай бұрын

Not applicable when shoot indoor.. for indoor mechanical shutter is the best one

@paulgrosse7631 3 ай бұрын

If your camera has a between the lens shutter, you can shoot electronic flash at any speed - I can shoot at 1/4,000th second with flash so effectively, the shutter speed is dial in as much ambient light as you need.