Why couldn't you make a standard template out of paper or cardboard that would set the table and all hardware into a standard location to help every 1 no exactly where to mount each axis point , sounds like a really innovative product though great Idea to keep price down

I m in the UK, and this project interests me. Are you shipping internationally? How much tension is on the chains? How are you making allowances for chain stretch and wear? You said that calibration is only required once. But surely over time chain stretch and wear will cause issues, not least because some sections of the chain are likely to be subject to more tension, and more often, therefore likely to cause uneven chain stretch and wear throughout its length.

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The only problem I have with Purchasing this machine is that they have no customer service number where you can talk to someone. The price they are selling now you should be able to have someone you can contact

They are definitely making money off this. The kit doesnt even include the router, or shopvac. It is essentially $350 for the linkage, assembly, motors and micro-controllers. While its probably not a lot of money, this CNC machine isnt really practical for anyone besides hobbyists. Its not extremely simple for the average person, and its not precise and robust enough for professionals.

What about development of the electonics, development of the user inteface, development of firmware and support of the shipped products? These are all costs/development time you have to include into your final price. Also supporting an open source community is often a full time job and you have to afford your food somehow ;-).

since it is designed around an arduino mega the price point is both cheap and expensive at the same time. I've been working on parts acquisition for a desktop CNC when I have the spare funds and I think just on the electronics side so far I've spent $30, and that is even with finding the lowest price boards I can source.

I'm more of a "how much pizza can I eat today?' guy myself.

LInuxCNC runs this kind of nonsense out of the box. It was done over 10 years ago.

exactly what i thought, a delta printer

Reminds me also of those camera on a wire systems that you see at sporting events that seem to float in the air, although drones may have supplanted them.

These type of cnc cutters were originally used as a writing machine. Usually a maker in place of the router.

S&G was the first thing i thought of too.

Bar has mentioned in various venues that a canoe is on his build list... I imagine once he gets a moment to breathe, that will be the first thing he makes.

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You could probably do it, but I don't think it is practical. The lasers that are powerful enough to be useful for cutting things are rather big, and require cooling. They are also expensive to replace... and some of them are expensive. (most of the laser tubes?) If you made it big enough, you could dangle the whole laser assembly... but the cut would be very small... You could create a mirror system, but I suspect that the stabilization of the mirrors so you don't burn something else down would be expensive. There is a new router system coming out that uses your muscles to move the router, and a camera to track the work location and small motors to retract the Z axis if you get off course, and small motors to finely adjust your motion. I'm interested in tying one of those with a super huge one of these. or have a tool changing system on the router.

you could not use the normal 'fixed laser + mirror' approach, as the sled rotates as it moves around. you would have to mount the laser to the sled. There are people making solid-state laser heads to go on 3d printers, that approach could work. another issue would be the safety, you would need to enclose things to protect you from reflections.

Thanks man

Roof !!!

There is a small motor next to router with a threaded rod or a combination of carriage and track to adjust depth. That is my understannding of it from this video. You can see it at 15:32.

They make a Z axis kit you can add on to your router to make it a 3 axis machine. But I was wondering that also, how does it work without the 3rd axis? Do they just run it slower (a router should go though 3/4" plywood easily) or like you said and manually adjust after each pass? Edit: Did some reading on their website and they do just like you said and the program stops and lets you manually adjust the router depth after each pass that is about 1/8" deep.

I was wondering the same thing... so with the z axis kit it's $410 then unless you want to do it manually?? I guess you could just go through 90% then drill a hole and run a flush trim bit on the back side

From the install guide on their site the Z axis kit is basically a motor you attach to the manual depth control of the router. The threaded rod seen in the video is part of the original depth adjustment, doesn't come with the kit or anything. Still a really interesting idea though.

When running without a Z axis kit the software pauses between passes and directs you to change the depth.

Late response but he did say ply wood and not just native wood

I currently have a Grove of 4x8 plywood trees, I also have some 5'x5' Baltic Birch trees too.

Hahahahhaha fucking hell

I agree but it still in beta I think he will get a chance to make a review in the future.

Jax Nean - I agree! And who know knows... it's possible a future version (Maslow 2.0?) could be upgraded to include 2 extra motors/2 more chains!? Regardless, it's a great intro unit for home hobbyists!

Probably just glue some star wars logo on it and call himself good.

more like $700 by the time you buy a router and make the frame. $350 is a bit unrealilistic.

I was thinking the same;) use a 45deg router bit

I thought that was funny too.

That brings back memories of time on the plywood reservation. Seeing all those 4x8 ft sheets of plywood roaming free in their native form in their natural habitat still brings tears to my eyes.

@@Paul-sj5db What a truly beautiful experience that must have been. You're a lucky guy to have seen the thriving plywood population before the great migration and eventual extinction of the species!

isn't plywood in native form, really just wood chips?

Well, don't you all know???? .... PLYWOOD comes from the North American PLYWOOD TREE !!!!! ....and after SO LONG, they get around to the demo....THEN he stands there, holding the plywood sword in front of ....(drumroll)... the 4 X 8 sheet of PLYWOOD.... which PROVES the theory you CAN make things disappear ....in plain sight !!!! Still, I loved the video...gives me some ideas....please, on the next vid, THINK. Love ya' all.....

Lmao

Lmao

no. its called david bowie.

@@troyna77 Did he have screwed up eyes and screw down hairdo like some cat from Japan?

@@troyna77 Yes, but, which bowie? Space bowie? berlin Bowie? black star bowie?

secsec1 also half the video was a view of their backs...

yeah, not the best produced tested video. loved the idea and the story behind it, but the video could have been executed better.

Keep in mind they're in beta still, so final production box doesn't exist yet.

Totally get it, just wanted to give some feed back.

here's a picture of what they ship i.imgur.com/3RSUv1Vm.jpg i.imgur.com/z0c60qTm.jpg imgur.com/rvh2vnV

I think he just want to bone her.

I agree 100% Jimi. It was actually refreshing to see him show the respect of sharing the experience with her. I actually liked the guy for that.

It'll be powered by 5Kw electric engine and would mill through an inch thick metal plate.

Findecanor the problem with that is that it would throw the calibration out, so you'd have to calibrate every time you set it back up. depending on how often you use it though, might be a cool idea

Calibration is fucked if you use wood anyways. It's going to warp, shrink, and expand due to humidity and temperature. It might not be the biggest issue with a large CNC machine, but its why wood framed 3d printers are a joke.

Yeah 11 ply birch plywood doesn't move a whole lot.. If you get the shitty big box stuff then yeah it will move a bit, but the dudes cutting with a 1/4 inch bit too so it's not that involved

You could expand the system to have it self calibrate. One simple way i see to solve that is use strings attached from the router to the frame that are connected to a pulley system with encoder wheels. You move one of the top chain motor in one direction for a defined distance, and measure how far the router moved on the other two strings. With some math applied you can then transform the X-Y referenced gcode into your machine axis commands in the controller board firmware. Thats the beauty of open source, you are free to build upon someone elses work and try to expand and innovate ideas.

ac3ofspades878 Limited thinking. In the age of digital, you can compensate for any anomalies. My 3D printer has leveling feature that it goes through every time to make sure every print is level.

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T- Spat assuming that you made the disc large enough it would be possible to use the polycarbonate disc that the router is mounted on and the vacuum used for dust collection to create a basic vacuum hold down to decrease that risk, but I suspect that they rely heavily on the weight, using a high speed router, and then - as they specifically mentioned in the beginning of the video - utilizing a very slow feed rate to reduce risk of exactly what you mention. I agree that this, or any CNC system is much better suited to the more precise methods of laser, plasma, water jet or even slurry or air jet depending on the materials being cut. Of course cutting & material removal are not the only CNC applications this might be useful for, they mentioned one other - which was painting murals on the sides of buildings, but it would be equally good at producing billboards or other large scale advertising signage if equipped with a multicolor spray head

@@SFX95901 I would imagine the slow feed rate also reduces the torque twisting the entire cutting head changing the chain geometry.

what software has that option?

Why is your website based on Flash? It's 2017.

A Z-axis kit is available that mounts a motor/encoder on the router's depth adjustment. In the absence of the Z-axis kit, the software will pause and ask you to adjust the depth.

I wrote it in 2010. But if you want to port it to javascript the sources are online.

Right!! I wonder if they did that for being safe since they said they are working on calibration hiccups, and didnt want it to go out the board in the demo. Lol

You have a point

Pretty steep? You just broke it down and see they aren't making that much money.... You're out of your mind. $350 is exceptionally adorable.

I8THEmagictoaster The math is far more complicated than what you posted because with this setup you are not guaranteed right angles and thus must use more complicated formulas from which the one you posted was derived.

Wow ,so much negativity from your viewers,I personally think this is a wonderful tool to sell to people like myself that have no CNC experience and would otherwise not have a opportunity to try something new and innovating as this .keep up the good work best wishes T2G journeyman sheet metal worker

@@timmy2guns1 What are you talking about? The guy wants to get one??

Nathan Vancil I thought he did well but she was a little shy probably. Honestly the product speaks for itself. Even without a flashy pitch I instantly wanted it and that speaks volumes

The more polished and slick the presentation becomes, the more costly the product gets. I am left wondering if more polish would add anything more, and my answer is no.

Well then, it sounds like you should steer clear of this. Next stop: $20,000 flatbed CNC that takes 2+ weeks to set up, knock yourself out! BTW, did you notice that this product is a DIY "kit of parts" (pretty generic stuff), so the assembly and it's "dodginess" falls on...yep, you guessed it, YOUR shoulders, not theirs. So this is your magic moment to go create your own sub-$500 large format CNC, create and post a beautifully polished video of it, and lastly please, please, please ensure that the video and the build are NOT "dodgy" because that box of parts has a big "?" hanging over it.

SuperBardley not just sub $500 CNC that's not that hard they also have to go sub $500 with a 8'x4' work area

You're right of course, but I was trying to go easy....

The Shaper Origin is a nice machine, the one thing I don't like about it is you can't do anything else while you cut things. With this you can walk away and be productive otherwise.

jmalmsten it costs 6x as much as this.

Yeah costing 100x as much lol

jmalmsten I think they have that already?

Hunter Davids nah, its just the format. More like a live stream than an edited promo

I just think they're not used to this type of situation where they are being interviewed

Leave Norman Alone

But can you do it 20 times perfectly without stopping?

pretty sure IF i hired you to cut 60 swords out of a sheet of plywood, your labor would cost more than the electricity it costs to run the maslow.

Nathan get one and join the open source community.

Why would I buy one when I've made one of my own already.. I'm past the concept; mine works. Mine is just not releasable to the community yet; it's rough user interface and other stuff that I had been working on to make it commercial... I wanted to release mine as a full product that would cost $200 or less, mass production through my brothers company..

Join the community and see if their software can support your machine (or your software support their machine). The design and software is all opensource. If you have improvements to make it would be great to see them.

There are people participating in the community who missed the kickstarter and assembled their own components.

lol trolled..

As the official unofficial keeper of time I hear by give you back said 13 minutes. Go forth and make.

Ed M 🤣

Aren't hippies with tools called geeks?

Jeffrey Smith CNC is good for mass production or a bunch of the same/similar parts and it saves time for small things too

Absolutely. We’re great at over complicating things by finding solutions for problems we never had. (Bring on the hate, millennials)

a lot shittier, too.

That depends. A router bit is a spinning round bit while a jigsaw is a rigid blade. With that in mind, a router is great in making circles, detailed or fancy edges, dados, rabits, miters, insets, etc. While jigsaws are great in making non linear lines within reason. That said, adding a mechanized xy system to the router would simply create an even more percise router that is able to stencil out patterns, detailed or simple, and cut them with expert percison. Since it is router based, that also means that it is not limited in curve radius like the jigsaw and can even carve out fonts. But as I said, it depends since it's a question of time. If you want to cut out a simple shape, even something like the sword, it might take you less time to roughcut the sword with a jigsaw and sand it out rather than design, program and wait on the cnc. CNC 2 axis routers were designed for large projects, super persise designing, an/or mass production.

also I'm wondering about the precision of the whole thing. Does their positioning system takes the rigidity of the chain, the weight of the router, the friction of the base of the router, the catenary between the anchor points and the router, the wear on the bit, into account ?