I love how customizable the Shimano EP8 RS motor is in my Rise. I tweak it for the type of trails and ride duration. Have a Grail:ON eTap with the Bosch CX Speed (28mph) on order. It will serve 3 duties: Commuter/Gravel Bike/Road Bike. Big miles planned this year. Hopefully it can be adjusted to fit the day.

It would be good to know how they all feel beyond the limiter with a power meter pedal on the flat at 22mph held for 30 sec same wheels tyres etc. Get back out there ... ;) PS good job on doing all this work - and big Props to John for great camera work.

Rob, you've never tried the previous one. Other ones did. It would be good to go to France, and ask to tribe to get you one to try. In the south of france, le Var, nice place to discover. I even can make the guide if necessary.

@@resetbikes2265 I love this comment! Ride all these f*n downhill bikes at 22+ on flat ground and then tell us how it felt! Rob would be in an f*ing coma. He is not an athlete if you haven't noticed.

Fully agreed this video is excellent just by watching it, definitely help me understand better what should i look for, when i'll be choosing to get an ev bike.. Tanks a lot Rob.. Safe ridings ! ;0)

U choose Bafang?

Rise Isa great bike as you say , enjoy it for its strengths 💪

Don't you have problems with the motor overheating, or the motor suddenly losing a lot of power and a red LED flashing? I would also like to buy a Giant Reign E+ 2022 (2 or 1) or E+ 2 2023, but I read about a lot of problems in German forums. For example, it is very often written that the motor below is significantly weaker than a Bosch, Brose, Shimano or PW-X2 and has severe problems with overheating, which then causes a red LED to flash and the performance to be massively reduced, so it makes no difference whether you use level 2 or level 5 until the engine has cooled down for a few minutes. I also read that the motor switches off the support at 24km/h and, for example, with the Brose or Shimano only from around 26km/h. In addition, there is often mention of a rattling noise like with Shimano or Bosch. The rattling thing isn't really that important to me because it's the same with the Bosch CX. The only thing I'm a bit "afraid" of is overheating and the supposedly weak performance of the engine. I have no problem riding on hills at a high cadence so that the engine can use its full power, but I am afraid of not being able to keep up with Bosch or Brose riders if we ride together. When I'm riding alone, it's not that important that the motor is a little weaker than a Brose or Bosch, because I'm currently only driving a 50nm motor anyway, which struggles quite a bit on steep mountains since I also weigh over 100kg. So in comparison, the SyncDrive Pro2 is significantly stronger. I also drove a SyncDrive Pro1 (PW-X2) and level 2-3 was easily enough for me on steep climbs and level 1-2 on the flat.

Cheers NinJazz

Nah you'd want to do that on bench test, via turbo trainer so exact same amount of resistance

Glad it helped

Motor / battery / electronics etc are in the dinosaur era in terms of reliability and the fact that they cost more than MX / ENDURO Motorcycles is stupidity

You stole my comment! I share the same sentiment as you :)

Don't wait! My ebike has transformed my riding. I'm a better rider on it, and I can ride all day if I want. I have the Giant Trance E+ and yeah you can hear the motor a bit, but not much and I don't see how they can make it any quieter honestly.

Cheers Paul 👊

Glad to help

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All these motors have one thing in common a lifespan of 3000 miles if you’re lucky, i love e bikes i think they’re marvellous but motors that rarely see 3000 miles? that aint good enough, 7-10 i think should be the mark with all replaceable mechanically as well as hardware software

I had a trek rail with Bosch and I'm on a gen 3 levo now. Brose is super quiet, most natural feeling power delivery, power is similar but the brose is way more efficient. Only issue I have with the brose is it seems draggy when you're not pedalling

@@chawkins45ify Colt, thank you for mentioning this. I have the 2022 Levo and as crazy fast as it can be going up hills it is noticeably slower on the descents compared to my Trek Fuel non emtb. I am blaming the Magura brakes at the moment because, for the life of me, I cannot get them to NOT rub. Also, agree with Loz regarding the noise level. The vid was not what I experience at all but Rob called it out. I find it to be very quiet.

@@robcburton1 those maguras are very draggy until they bed in, my buddy had the same issues with his bike

@ From my 2 bikes, I would say the 700wh Spesh can definitely go further than the 625wh Bosch Cube I have, but probably not quite the 12-odd percent more it should do. However it's ridiculously difficult to conclude anything from that, since the assist levels, weights and gearing are all slightly different. I doubt if the Bosch is intrinsically any more efficient to any significant degree tbh, and the Brose is definitely a better motor overall, in my opinion. Both are great, mind. It's a high bar.

@@lozetchells9164 Thank you! I am between 2 models with the Brose, the Specialized Levo and the Fantic XEF 1.9 Enduro. Tough choice! Cheers!

Thanks! Took a long time!!

he just owns them

Bigger youtubers obviously get bikes with priority from the manufacturers so they can get a video out early. I'm 100% for that so I can find reviews before making a decision. :D It's still quite a lot of effort to get all these bikes together and I appreciate that a lot!

Would like to see 2000w bafang mid drive

@phillip warehamThe motors come pre-lubricated right?

While one aspect of motor design, noise is also affected by bike frame design/material and motor with smooth noise in one frame can have whiny noise in another frame: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r69jo69jypumpWg.html

That's why I have my 1000w hub motor lol Can cruse along gravel and cycle tracks in total bliss........ OK I know, Completely different comparison, I'm not a mountain biker I won't be cruising through woods or gnarly trails, Just saying for the lols.

Noted, thanks for the feedback 👊

Cheers!

On the brose site it says it’s compatible with 4 different versions of control heads.

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Yeah I want to know this too. Or when you exceed the speed limit. I think the ep8 is the best from what I can find out. But I can’t find anything out about the giant.

@@brokenlegz apparently Giant have started to utilize the new Yamaha pwx3 with their own 'tune'. I'd like to know some more about this motor, as haibike have just put it in their new allmtn 7 and 10. Bloody lovely green with gold accents on the paint job on the 7. Fox 36 float performance front, fox dps performance rear, with magura mt7s and a Sram chainset. For £5299. But for an extra £700 for the allmtn 10 ( you don't get the my favorite colour scheme, it's gloss black, still cool looking though) you get factory kashima 38s, factory kashima x2, XT brakes and chainset. A hell of an up-spec for the price difference. As for how easy it is to outpedal the limiter, or ride with no power, I have no idea how it compares to other motors. Yes it will be doable. Just hard going.

i thought if the motor was off if u wanted to save battery the bike just rides as a normal bike could without a motor regardless or am i wong ? Thanks in advance :)

@@CJUrbex they do. But without any assistance from the motor they're hard going, varying, due to the weight of the bike and how much drag/resistance the motor has, all motors vary in how hard they are to pedal when 'off'. This is why some emtb's are easier to out-pedal the motor when they hit the speed where the speed limiter cuts the assist. 15.5mph in Europe and (I think) 20mph in the USA. It's easier to out-pedal the motors limiter, once it's assisted to the legal assist speed. Than it is to get up to the same speed with no assist at all. And as i said, the difficulty will vary depending on bike weight and motor type. And how fit you are .

@@CJUrbex There are difference amongst the motors in terms of resistance they have when they are turned off. I suppose older models are worse and the newer one should be better. Some models were very hard to ride when turned off and some not.