Meinl Cymbals - John Longstreth

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Meinl Cymbals - John Longstreth - "All Things Dead"

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See demos of John’s Classics Custom Dark setup here: bit.ly/2ITRdxs
18” Prototype Megabell Ride (Left and Right)
18” Classics Custom Dark China (Left and Right)
18” Classics Custom Dark Crash (Left and Right)
14” Classics Custom Dark Hihats
8” Classics Custom Dark Splash
10” Classics Custom Dark Splash
12”/14” Generation X Trash Hats
20” Classics Custom Dark Crash
See the full 4-part video series here: bit.ly/38RuOuo

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@mars_over 4 жыл бұрын

Very cool of John to wear a white shirt with the drum transcription on it.

@toddwilson9342 4 жыл бұрын

That’s pretty damn funny

@6the6savior6 4 жыл бұрын

No one knows....

@samuelsammington3572 4 жыл бұрын

BAHAHAHAHAHA

@jeremyhassell7911 4 жыл бұрын

No shit! This run through is insane!

@schloo 4 жыл бұрын

At first I squinted....then I LOL'ed.

@Ironsvillage 4 жыл бұрын

This guy has beaten all levels of death metal drumming

@bultronlagore4932 3 жыл бұрын

You are 100% correct

@IInvictus 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah and he's like. Is there anything faster than death metal? Because im getting bored playing 330bpm

@bultronlagore4932 3 жыл бұрын

@@IInvictus 😂!! I’ve seen John live with Origin 6 times and every time he is playing like he is bored with no signs of fatigue or strain during the entire performance. I’ve been playing drums for 28 years and I can tell you first hand that what he plays is freaking difficult. I could never get the heel toe technique down. I use the tip toe swivel foot technique to play fast double bass sections. Heel toe technique is definitely the best technique to take strain off your legs but to master it to the extent that John has is amazing.

@millerandall4102 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely 🤘

@SargonnasIncarnate 2 жыл бұрын

I wish those days back when death metal was fresh and the fastest anyone could go was just a normal grind sequence with flaws in it😌.

@ZachGatesHere 3 жыл бұрын

The most efficient drummer in metal. Not a single wasted movement.

@codydrums2175 4 ай бұрын

Trey Williams of Dying Fetus is up there with that economy of motion but Mr Longstreet might be king of it.

@dimitarstoyanov6615 4 жыл бұрын

Even if you don’t like this style of music, you have to appreciate the dudes undeniable talent. If you dislike the video, you’re just mad and jealous.

@bultronlagore4932 2 ай бұрын

💯 % correct my friend.

@RedeemNBless 4 жыл бұрын

WHY IS HIS FACE IS SO CALM WHEN IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE INTENSE????? Everything is on point, goddamn terrifying

@ricardovera116 4 жыл бұрын

Jeremy Drummer seriously! Talk about “another day in the office” 😂😂. Gives a new meaning to “it’s all in the wrists”

@TheJollyMisanthrope 4 жыл бұрын

That's the only way you achieve this kind of speed. You tense up you are screwed.

@Compendyum 4 жыл бұрын

Pretty easy when you are a robot.

@Yashiro-nene_dies 4 жыл бұрын

Cuase he's so effectively good that he's bored.

@goingsnakespiritchaser 2 ай бұрын

When you play like this, you cannot waste a single bit of energy on any other muscle in your body that isn't actively being used for drumming.

@newspaperlightbulb 4 жыл бұрын

0:01 alright I can play that 0:02 Nope

@SClubify 4 жыл бұрын

Ahahhahaha so true

@KORNBG 4 жыл бұрын

i also lauughed hard ^^

@njmontano1625 3 жыл бұрын

funny af. laughed so hard.

@Matt-lu6so 3 жыл бұрын

🤣

@icipher6730 3 жыл бұрын

The quickest nope in the history of the universe and beyond.

@6the6savior6 4 жыл бұрын

More like John Legstrength

@maxbressan 4 жыл бұрын

lol...

@skhemsun6103 4 жыл бұрын

😂 dead

@pettson3816 4 жыл бұрын

His calves are thicker than my thighs.

@Adamant_Consternation 3 жыл бұрын

@@pettson3816 He could fuse tungsten with those calf muscles.

@AlexAces93 4 жыл бұрын

To quote another youtube comment: he looks like he's afraid of his own powers

@metalsubaddiction 4 жыл бұрын

Your comment made my day dude ahahah

@davidramirezrodriguez3373 4 жыл бұрын

On point😨

@witek526 4 жыл бұрын

Exactly well said ...

@samuelsammington3572 4 жыл бұрын

then he one hand chokes out a cymbal, with brutal precision and stares down the camera. . .I got this

@flyboymcgee8059 4 жыл бұрын

Nah, that's just his look of contemplation after sleeping with everyone's mother in our comments section.

@EtVilia 4 жыл бұрын

This series featuring John has done two things: Make me practice more, and buy that Extreme Metal Mega Bell Ride and I love it dearly.

@zakhudson 4 жыл бұрын

Youre not talking about the prototype in the video right? I want one so bad I ordered the dark custom set because of this guy. I could not be happier

@EtVilia 4 жыл бұрын

@@zakhudson nah, they made him those rides in the Custom Dark finish. I've got the regular one available retail

@zakhudson 4 жыл бұрын

@@EtVilia thats what I figured haha. I was gonna say if they went public Im ordering asap. it sounds stupid as ever, but Im trying to keep a theme, Only thing besides stands are chrome, everything else I use Is black, the dark classic customs, black evans onyx heads, trick dominators and soon black sticks. Oh and one classic custom 8 inch bell

@joshualarson6668 4 жыл бұрын

I thought it was custom!! I bet that bell is soo loud and it makes a certain noise that is ridiculosooo

@danieljordison0793 3 жыл бұрын

Apparently the custom version for this video WILL be available for retail soon

@AusTin-yh5di 3 жыл бұрын

John Longstreth is low key one of the greatest drummers of all time.

@joshferguson9703 2 жыл бұрын

My friend it’s not low key it’s because of flo from cryptopsy John from origin amongst of the bands and Dennis the menace from macabre that extreme drumming is where it’s at today imo

@K50ATTACK Жыл бұрын

@@joshferguson9703 Absolute truth king

@aplus1080 Жыл бұрын

Low key my ass! He doesn't get his due because people will dismiss it as "just fast." And by people I mean c words.

@gyozanomics Жыл бұрын

all the drummers who were better than john are dead

@Crowbar11115 4 жыл бұрын

I used to bump into Paul from Origin all the time when I lived in San Francisco...his Longstreth stories were hilarious! He mentioned how often John would be staring off into space popping bubblegum during band practice. Haha. He said how John would often be looking like he had other things on his mind while the rest of the band was sweating their asses off 100% focused on playing the songs. Haha. This guy is a legend!

@aplus1080 Жыл бұрын

SF?! They live out there?!

@Crowbar11115 Жыл бұрын

@@aplus1080 Paul did. The rest of the guys lived elsewhere

@oskytel3780 Жыл бұрын

Somehow this story is not surprising 🤣

@kevincannon2269 Жыл бұрын

sounds like he was staring from the abyss

@Fausto_4841 11 ай бұрын

@@aplus1080 he worked at the guitar center for a time. it was awesome to be able to come down to the store and pay respects

@SlinkyT82 4 жыл бұрын

One of the most insane things I've ever seen was him doing double drum duty for Origin and Gorguts, back to back!!

@Fausto_4841 11 ай бұрын

the man's a machine. he probably could have done a third set if he needed to.

@shanegriffin2215 4 жыл бұрын

Ok, this guy is inhuman. Insane levels of speed played musically. What a combination.

@KORNBG 4 жыл бұрын

Maybe check Nils Dominator Fjellstrom or Jamie Saint Merat then?

@jbasti227 3 жыл бұрын

@@KORNBG JSM is one of my favorite

@KORNBG 3 жыл бұрын

@@jbasti227 Both ive mentioned are absolute monsters.

@bultronlagore4932 2 жыл бұрын

John Longstreth is definitely my favorite metal drummer but there are other awesome Tech Death drummers that are also pushing the boundaries of brutalness like: -Anthony Barone of BENEATH THE MASSACRE -Lord Marco of RINGS OF 🪐 -Spencer Prewitt of ARCHSPIRE Here is a little taste of Tech Death Brutalness! Enjoy! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m6pxjd2lr7fdk58.html

@mazklassa9338 4 жыл бұрын

I read a comment the other week on this guy, from someone just like me, and they put it perfectly: Jon's facial expressions look like he's just learned to play drums a couple of hours ago, after having uploaded a whole 25 year's worth of archive of death metal drumming, via the matrix.

@connorwatson5695 4 жыл бұрын

All of the cymbal chokes, god damn.

@Nargaroth 3 жыл бұрын

This is the kind of shit I just sit back and every once in awhile through the video I laugh at how absurdly good he is.

@bultronlagore4932 3 жыл бұрын

This is the man who brought gravity blast beats to the spotlight. This guy is next level and what’s crazy is his technique is so good it’s taking a lot of the strain of playing super fast off him. He looks like a machine with no emotion, just pure calculation on a drum throne.

@vanguard4065 4 жыл бұрын

one of my favorite drummers and a legitimate living legend

@Blindashitmetalasfuck 3 жыл бұрын

Nice hat brother!

@ericdravenX00X 9 ай бұрын

If you are a Metal drummer and you are someone seeing John Longstreth for the 1st time. His drumming abilities are either going too inspire you or make you hangup the sticks.. I watch in amazement everytime!

@HeadbangersKitchen 4 жыл бұрын

Am getting chills watching this.

@behindthen0thing525 3 жыл бұрын

That's the cv19

@AdamTuminaro 4 жыл бұрын

Good lord those single strokes! 🏎💨

@JesusLordOfLords455 4 жыл бұрын

Heel toe on the feet tho...

@nikedgerated 4 жыл бұрын

@@JesusLordOfLords455 02:07 switches on single foot blasting...

@JesusLordOfLords455 4 жыл бұрын

@@nikedgerated yes but guys the reason most of us got into double bass was because it seems inhuman to hammer the floor with your feet like a gorilla beats its chest,..... Just feels lame to me for the drummer to do doubles on each side to conserve energy and rely 100% on his triggers.....basically speaking.... If you had a power cut,...... You cant even jam.

@benjiequezada 4 жыл бұрын

Look at that overhead view around 3:16. Even on his doubles the beaters are coming way off the head. He found a technique that works for him and, when you play music this relentlessly fast for entire sets, conserving energy is important. Virtually every high level/fast metal drummer uses triggers on their kicks to accentuate every note because when you’re playing 16th notes at 270+ bpm, they get really muddy without triggers. And if you think John Longstreth can’t jam with a power outage, then I don’t even know what to say.

@njmontano1625 3 жыл бұрын

Here we go again with trigger hating idiots who don't really know what they're talking about. 1. Not really about conserving stamina. At these tempos, it's more about technique than stamina. No drummer will last by powering. 2. All about getting defined notes heard. 3. With low down chugs, distortions, and vocal gutturals: good luck getting the bass drum(in it's already very low muddy tone) cut through properly without triggers. 4. Yes, there is cheat in using triggers called tapping. But it requires to having the technique down already, which doesn't really make a huge difference. "Ugh I hate guitarists who use electric guitars and effects. Should play acoustic and bare to show their true skill! Using electric guitars is cheating! Let's see guitarists create that tone in that speed with only acoustics and mics!" Yeah, that's how stupid it looks like hating on triggers. I'm a drummer myself and I know damn well what I'm talking about.

@eliminshrintar 3 жыл бұрын

Meinl, I don't know if you actually read these comments but your marketing with John here worked for me. Heard it here, went online and had a full set of of the Darks delivered and absolutely love them.

@meinlcymbals 3 жыл бұрын

We absolutely read the comments. Thank you very much for spending your hard earned money on our cymbals. We do not take that for granted at all that you chose us! It seriously means a lot. Enjoy the cymbals and please let us know if you ever have any questions or concerns. Thank you!

@PearlDrummerFTW 2 жыл бұрын

@@meinlcymbals I will second this. ordering my custom dark expanded pack at the end of the month.

@meinlcymbals 2 жыл бұрын

@@PearlDrummerFTW Thank you Dennis. Enjoy the cymbals!

@PearlDrummerFTW 2 жыл бұрын

@@meinlcymbals Got them 4 days ago. They're absolutely awesome looking. They sound really nice with good volume and clarity. They open up easily as well. I have never bought Meinl cymbals before but I'm glad I went with them.

@meinlcymbals 2 жыл бұрын

@@PearlDrummerFTW Thanks again for taking a chance on us Dennis. We appreciate you! Enjoy the cymbals and let us know if you ever have any questions/concerns.

@conalls2480 4 жыл бұрын

Drum machines wish they were this fast and accurate

@Automat1cJack 3 жыл бұрын

The more I watch this and the better I get, this seems less impossible. Thank you, John, for setting a crazy standard I'm slowly approaching. You're a huge inspiration.

@mostlypeacefuljc4687 2 жыл бұрын

Watched him pull double duty last night with Origin and then Misery Index. He's truly amazing. My 14 year old son left there both inspired to practice more and questioning if he even should continue. John's performance can do that to most drummers, I'm guessing.

@nj1255 Жыл бұрын

If it's actually true that a snare head is only good for 36.000 strokes, John would have had to change the batterhead at least twice in just this playthrough. That gravity blast part towards the end is just ridiculous!

@Beachedwhale_ 4 жыл бұрын

My mind was blown when I saw John Longstreth and Francesco Paoli of Fleshgod Apocalypse both at the same concert. Both of them performed flawlessly.

@unicsebastian 4 жыл бұрын

I like that this is not edited. You can hear minor flaws, which basically means that all of the insane rest is real as well. Also, those Pearl drums sound great. The cymbals.. meh. Look cooler than they sound. But that's just my humble opinion.

@CesarVesvre 4 жыл бұрын

Yup. Hihats are great still

@j.d.7208 4 жыл бұрын

What minor flaws did you hear ? Just curious at what time in the video??

@Frostcrag64 4 жыл бұрын

@@j.d.7208 no wrong things being played but the lack of compression or other EQ gives it a "raw" sounding recording where you can hear some velocity differences in the cymbals and drum hits. And there was a very small amount of double bass slip ups. Could be double triggering or a refire issue, all very very minor things not even worth pointing out

@j.d.7208 4 жыл бұрын

@@Frostcrag64 agreed sir well said

@TheKing669 4 жыл бұрын

@@j.d.7208 1:38 - the short break maybe sounds untidy?

@AntiquePoboy 5 ай бұрын

I’ve watched this video at least 20 times in the last few weeks. I can’t stop. Meinl, if you post John, we will watch. Over and over again.

@tyomkaf 4 жыл бұрын

John's playing reminds me of Shannon Lucas - flawless technicality and speed with effortless delivery. Wonderful job

@kylesylvester6139 Ай бұрын

Met him and he seriously was a nice guy. I couldn't believe how dam fast and loud he was live. Best drummer I've ever seen he was violent. Raw. Deadly. Original.

@decapitated2368 Жыл бұрын

Watching John on drums is like watching a chef of sound. He has amazing technique!

@jameshetfield1792 3 жыл бұрын

Arguably the best extreme metal drummer

@jamisonandrewmanhorvaththe1124 3 жыл бұрын

he’s up there with Jamie St. Merat

@ManiacFitness Жыл бұрын

@@jamisonandrewmanhorvaththe1124 whose that? I've never heard of him and enjoy discovering new amazing drummers to binge watch and learn from?

@autisticplane8066 Жыл бұрын

Yea, none of us are arguing.... Jon is the best.

@genericname9875 Жыл бұрын

@@ManiacFitness drummer from ulcerate

@lecoinfrugal8724 4 жыл бұрын

This has become my daily motivational video.

@olavvandenhogen5951 4 жыл бұрын

His foot-technique is crazy....all of his drumming is crazy, a truly great drummer! I take my sticks off for John! :)

@jasperjenkins7729 4 жыл бұрын

I must be old. What did I just witness. My jaw is on the floor. HOLYSHIT.

@pleasuretokill 3 жыл бұрын

John has been playing this style for over 25 years now. He's no spring chicken! I saw him live for the first time in the year 2001. He was killing it back then.... But he's even better now. Top tier drummer that can play almost anything

@fartsare2023 3 жыл бұрын

Most double stroke oriented metal drummers dont hit with the quality hits that John Longstreth does. The batter head moves indicating the power of his strokes. Genius.

@scottculver5728 Жыл бұрын

I’m having trouble comprehending what I just watched. Holy f in. Schnikies. You are a machine! Incredible.

@Nefville 2 жыл бұрын

I realize this is about the cymbals but its impossible not to be hypnotized by the beaters. And I play metal drums, this is amazing.

@jamesatkins7207 2 жыл бұрын

Came across this John Longstreth series yesterday. Starting my day with it today. Definitely a beast on the kit and also a very genuine, good dude every time I've had the opportunity to speak with him.

@driftthekaliyuga7502 3 ай бұрын

I love the mix on these videos. Wish the album drums sounded like this. John is just killing it on here.

@bigstef2010 4 жыл бұрын

one of my favorite metal drummers out there...great skills and creativity

@laurentfortier4492 3 жыл бұрын

this man deserves more views, he's just unbelievable, i'm speechless each time i look at this

@kylesnyder9452 4 жыл бұрын

It’s so fast and ridiculous I couldn’t stop laughing/smiling the whole time. Total beast!

@ciniclay 4 жыл бұрын

classics custom dark megabell need to happen as part of the line!

@Angerot Жыл бұрын

I always feel bad for John as Paul makes him play so fast for such long periods of time. You can see the pain suffering in John's eyes. I just want to hug him and tell him its ok.

@oskytel3780 Жыл бұрын

I see no suffering, only boredom from wanting to play faster.

@DashCamExtrodinaire 3 жыл бұрын

Its quite disturbing how relaxed he is playing this. So good and SMOOTH even my air buds kept cutting out..........AMAZING!

@krombopoulosmichael 9 ай бұрын

John + Meinl series is hands down the best thing ever. My lord.

@kylesylvester6139 2 жыл бұрын

I saw John in Tacoma WA about ten years ish ago. I've never till this day seen any drummer do what he does. I asked him for a drumstick and we talked while he was packing up his gear. Gangster. Nicest guy. Cheers.

@Magnukelka 11 ай бұрын

Stunning. With ease. Utterly beautiful. Drumming and music.

@timhammettii4282 2 жыл бұрын

Wow! As I watch more vids, I’m really impressed with his precision and fluidity. Very powerful. Horns up!🤟

@1414Gstevens 4 жыл бұрын

Probably one of my favorite drum kit set ups. I love how efficient it is.

@pierrelecorroller595 9 ай бұрын

This man is unstoppable ! So much technique and discipline and talent to get to this level ! Thanks for showing us how things are done John ! Legend!

@kendalldrury8156 4 жыл бұрын

Just looked this up on a whim. Haven't played drums is years, but just watching this brought back so much sense memory, the tense calves, tight forearms, the lactic acid build up which sits in your stomach, all the things that made this kind of drumming so awesome and such a vocation. Jon is hands down one of the best, technique above all, yet even with his perfect technique to minimise effort, it's still such a workout. What a legend.

@stison357 4 жыл бұрын

This guy is sooooo good there's really no word to describe him🙌

@Blindashitmetalasfuck 3 жыл бұрын

Easy: INHUMAN!!!

@peevee605 Жыл бұрын

He’s a beast. It’s wonderful to see this display of discipline and technique and musicianship.

@dvcheers4790 Жыл бұрын

John still stays as John, beend decades man 👊👊👊

@krokmiten 4 жыл бұрын

If this isn't the best drummer on the planet I don't know who is. So much power, nuances, details, and depth in his playing.

@itsbryantarias Жыл бұрын

you need to watch more drummers brah

@krokmiten Жыл бұрын

@@itsbryantarias I already watch too many already lol My drummer isn't bad too actually, he's Guyot, he played on the first Beyond Creation.

@MichalBacaBastrzyk Жыл бұрын

He's out of this world.

@BeeBeeCJr 3 жыл бұрын

There’s a beautiful art form involved in remembering these Motifs from song to song. That in of itself is STAGGERINGLY immense. The composition is absolutely beautiful, too! Just wow. Also want all the cymbals I am eyeing. Incredible. End to end.

@rio_mn 4 жыл бұрын

Always good to see John Legstrength at work.

@BuffaloBorn78 4 жыл бұрын

I love when the bass pedals are faster than the frame rate of HD video. What a time to be alive.

@BillyRamirez 4 жыл бұрын

He needs a new challenge. This is all too easy for him.

@UroboricNate 4 жыл бұрын

Trust me, he had is hands full with challenges playing in Gorguts

@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power 4 жыл бұрын

Probably 5 minutes of boring single kick straight time, and the challenge would be staying interested long enough to not mess up.

@UroboricNate 4 жыл бұрын

@defiler218 common knowledge, well aware

@UroboricNate 4 жыл бұрын

@@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power john himself admitted how challenging it was for him, try not talking out your ass next time

@CamiloMoyaBaterista 4 жыл бұрын

Billy Ramirez dark funeral

@allanbuchan6947 23 күн бұрын

Breathtaking blasts .

@FabricioMigueldeFarias 4 жыл бұрын

That all black cymbals are so beauty....

@yovannyaragontrinidad7327 4 жыл бұрын

I love my Meinl Classics Custom Dark!!! 🥁 🤘🏻

@TonToinen Жыл бұрын

Holy shit!! Can't go much further from here!! But in all honesty, beyond the playing, the kit also sounds so f'n perfect.

@OsmonArtist Жыл бұрын

beautiful songwriting!!✨

@kyleboggs1966 4 жыл бұрын

2 things! 1: That ride... I need a Dark Mega Bell! 2: anyone who dislikes it is only jealous b/c DAMN!

@RainerWillman 4 жыл бұрын

Just an idea: If you already have a Mega Bell ride, you can always patinate it.

@alienkinkvr 4 жыл бұрын

The custom darks are the TRUTH That brightness is so beautiful

@Nyarlathotep999 3 жыл бұрын

Geez, that's some of the cleanest double stroke I've seen. Big props for not quantizing it.

@zakkclarkson3102 4 жыл бұрын

PLEASE PRODUCE THE MEGA BELL RIDE!!!!!!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻that thing sounds so beautiful and the cut is EXTREME

@mecats-lf6hy 4 жыл бұрын

After watching this I'm sure John ain't human...just awesome!!!

@a.r.m9568 4 жыл бұрын

What a Machine ...

@facciosean1 9 ай бұрын

An inspiration to musicians everywhere

@gaspar-animal-ribeiro5414 2 жыл бұрын

This is diabolical. He's out of this world

@zigzagzugzug 2 жыл бұрын

Shit, coming back here after years, this stuff is fucking hypnotic.

@andysanchez4287 3 жыл бұрын

He is one of the drum gods.. 🤘

@DashCamExtrodinaire 3 жыл бұрын

Just noticed his right eye brow raise @1:13 like, "Ohh that sounds pretty good. Let me push the bar even more. Watch this everybody!" AMAZING DRUMMER!!!!! A FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH!!!!!

@richb2545 4 жыл бұрын

This machine almost come across human when he's talking...........

@bigstef2010 4 жыл бұрын

close to perfection...very dedicated drummer,,,real inspiration

@whatxanswer 4 жыл бұрын

*Proceeds to murder a drumkit and transcend a human level of playing Ok so I have some cymbals

@pleasuretokill 3 жыл бұрын

Those cymbals are amazing sounding. I will agree

@Vissing 4 жыл бұрын

Every time I see a new video in this amazing series of Longstreth's Meinl videos, I wonder before I click "is this the one where he's gonna use that second snare?" Well.... I guess there are more videos on the way then!

@Michael_Michaels 4 жыл бұрын

0:37 It is impressive how a hand can make all the difference!

@sebastiencarpentier2264 11 ай бұрын

John Longstreth is one of the greatest drummer ever. That's it.

@christianmccall4126 3 жыл бұрын

His facial expressions look like he's barely in control of what his body is doing

@AEONRINGS 3 ай бұрын

You’re probably right.. this is one big studying muscle memorization blackout/ body-take-over lol

@ChaosPootato 4 жыл бұрын

I always expect it to be amazing and pretty much flawless, but I'm still blown the fuck away every time

@vitunpelle602 4 жыл бұрын

Ive watched this video 10 times probably, but I cant get over how fucking good he is technique wise.

@forevermetal89 4 ай бұрын

Gen x, amun, raker/rakes hahaha; god I miss some of the old meinl series! Especially those old byzance models where the "byzance" stamp was offset. Best china I ever owned!