Melee's Layered Defensive Mechanics

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This video dives into the depths of SSBM's defensive tools as I try to describe what makes them so deep, and difficult. If you're reading this far please let me know how you feel about the two editing styles I used in this video. Or mention any future topics you may be interested in me covering. Thanks a ton one final time for watching!
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Timestamps
0:00 Introduction
0:40 Layer 1
1:07 Layer 2
2:14 Layer 3
3:45 Layer 4
5:23 Discussion
8:40 Uncle Punch
9:08 Mini Montage
9:50 Credits

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@LiquidTurtle1 Жыл бұрын

I was on the fence about starting to grind uncle punch and actually improve at the game, but this video convinced me to do it.

@Calicrab Жыл бұрын

I love to hear that

@themetapod Жыл бұрын

Uncle punch won't teach you anything except how to be a nerd that nobody likes to play against. Oh great, you can practice this tech that you'll use in 1/1000 matches. It's actually bad for you because it conditions you to play against computers

@Sidekick777 Жыл бұрын

@@themetapod you sound like you graduated from the local gas station 💀

@Rael0505 Жыл бұрын

@@themetapod you don’t know how to actually use uncle punch to learn lol. You seem to think the exercises are all it does

@Rael0505 Жыл бұрын

@@themetapod it doesn’t condition you to play against computers at all

@eddiestilll Жыл бұрын

"offence is what wins games, but defence is what wins championships."

@PreacherJenkins Жыл бұрын

Never would have imagined a mere crab would have this kind of understanding of melee

@meleefromscratch Жыл бұрын

Great video! It’s awesome to have all the defensive mechanics laid out in one place. Would you mind if I reference your video in one of my future guides?

@Calicrab Жыл бұрын

Please do

@qwertyugzb Жыл бұрын

wiggling out doesn't actually require moving the stick from left to right, it's just neutral->dash length after hitstun

@Calicrab Жыл бұрын

Yea look like you're right, most 'wiggle' out I think to get it on the earliest frame after hitstun

@nickq8093 Жыл бұрын

One you missed: jumping into spikes or semi-spikes at low% to land cancel the hitstun.

@Rom0.5 Жыл бұрын

Also Z cancelling

@mlalbaitero Жыл бұрын

@@Rom0.5 if by that u mean analog press l cancelling, I wouldn't consider that a defensive tech because that's just a better way to play the game. Itd be like saying using the x or y button instead of tap jump is a technique. in the same way that there are times for tap jump over button jump, there are times when using a hard press might be better due to it "buffering" ur tech input. but this is more just hopefulness and u could probably react to hit with with analog press anyways

@Rom0.5 Жыл бұрын

@@mlalbaitero sorry, meant V-canceling my bad

@Calicrab Жыл бұрын

@@Rom0.5 some techniques that are very obscure I was going to put in layer 5, such as v-cancel, z power shield, heart shielding, atd shield, and maybe others. Thinking about making those into its own video

@joeykeilholz925 Жыл бұрын

This game needs a fucking Bible

@paulcochran7007 Жыл бұрын

Great video!!! I had never heard of the "wiggling out of tumble" mechanic

@Calicrab Жыл бұрын

5:23 for the Discussion skip, forgot to edit in the timestamp and YT killed annotations

@austini0n177 Жыл бұрын

this is a really well made and well put together video that a lot of newer players would benefit a lot from, these are things i wish i knew when i started. i feel like not including meteor cancel (and jigglypuff/kirby's automatic meteor cancels) was a bit of a missed opportunity on a low hanging fruit though

@ROFLOLGAMER Жыл бұрын

Normally, FG defense mechanics are tied to some meter. A stamina meter could balance Smash's out, and also be leveraged to tame other degenerate stuff like ledge stalling and circle camping. Regarding "hDoL dOwN": CC and SDI into ground could use more stamina, but for the sake of reducing binary decision making, some moves at certain percents could also bounce characters who hold down ala Ultimate.

@Calicrab Жыл бұрын

While most of these mechanics are not directly tied to a resource meter like burst or supers, many of them like ASDI and CC require getting hit, so in order to use it proactively you essentially take damage to gain an advantage. This is just a different type of resource that's not technically limited but does get far weaker as percent rises. Now as far as camping and ledge stalling those are legitimate issues that we have rules in place to limit how problematic they can be but I would be interested in direct mechanic intervention. However melee has been the same for so long that directly changing things like that would be too drastic for the community to ever adopt. Fun for discussion and thought experiment though.

@Scutl108 Ай бұрын

I've been playing for 10 years and I never knew about wiggle out of tumble. The more you know

@thegoodgeneral Жыл бұрын

Excellently presented and argued. Melee is a rare and beautiful game.

@mlalbaitero Жыл бұрын

Crouch cancel is too good. Why are jabs completely nullified by cc even at hundreds of percent

@Therefour Жыл бұрын

such a high quality video. u got my sub, but DON'T THINK I DIDN'T NOTICE THE SLIGHT WHITE OUTLINE SHOWING UP WHENEVER THE CRAB SQUISHMELLOW MOVED ITS MOUTH

@griffin8762 Жыл бұрын

it's crazy how balanced crouch cancel is among the top tiers, and how awful it is for most of the rest of the characters lol

@debbit Жыл бұрын

Yeah it’s fun getting cced at 100 by another random spacie player

@smoceany9478 Жыл бұрын

G&W is good against it tbh

@crisXD2010 Жыл бұрын

well done! learned a lot new things!

@DrewOPowell Жыл бұрын

Dope video

@RTU130 Жыл бұрын

What do you mean by "right-facing" in regards to the DI chart? Isn't it the other way around?

@Calicrab Жыл бұрын

I mean the move that is hit in this scenario causes rightward knock back (and slightly up by the optimal di's) I had a move like falcon up air in mind

@josephhelder4084 Жыл бұрын

Great video

@Z-I-P Жыл бұрын

Good content.

@mrt8bit692 Жыл бұрын

yo what's the song at the start of the video? I wanna learn it on piano

@Calicrab Жыл бұрын

Cocktail hour - Aaron Kenny

@mrt8bit692 Жыл бұрын

@@Calicrab thanks homie

@Frank-bn9us Жыл бұрын

I appreciate the talking crab 🦀

@twelvevoltage Жыл бұрын

As a Samus I also love defense options not just cc but powershielding with her glitched shield

@Calicrab Жыл бұрын

Don't know what you mean by glitched shield but go off!

@twelvevoltage Жыл бұрын

@@Calicrab basically just the same as Marth where when he crouches you powershield easier

@WanderFilledWorldofMelee Жыл бұрын

Education melee nice

@DontLikeTryHards Ай бұрын

What about layer 5...how has no one mentioned that this scary void is still unexplored...

@Lilskeevs Жыл бұрын

Great video!

@joeykeilholz925 Жыл бұрын

Nice perspective.

@racerking5901 22 сағат бұрын

I hate how information about so many really interesting advanced tactics is nearly impossible to come across. Like when you showed that long twitter thread. It actually made me cringe. Only a small fraction of people interested in the game will ever see that. Or when I'm watching a youtube video about melee and there's a comment which explains a really interesting game mechanic which some random person happened to write which I would have never known about otherwise. It honestly makes me really sad. I wish there was a comprehensive wiki where people dumped all of their knowledge of the game. I think that would help advance the game even further. And it would also help people be more interested in the game.

@StagRed Жыл бұрын

Awesome video!

@WASD_ii Жыл бұрын

Good video, thx :))

@simanolastname2399 Жыл бұрын

DI isn't after hitlag, it's during.

@Calicrab Жыл бұрын

DI is read on the last frame of hitlag

@Vuden13 Жыл бұрын

Ultimate version now

@Calicrab Жыл бұрын

To be completely honest I have neither the means to record Ultimate, or the interest to make that at the moment.

@sjokryddsmuseet9999 Жыл бұрын

Ultimate just has less defensive options

@arnox4554 Жыл бұрын

Sure! Here's the Ultimate version. Ultimate Best Mechanics: Turn off your Switch and play Project M/Plus instead.

@tomazrodrigues7006 Жыл бұрын

Imagine not even talking about v canceling

@Calicrab Жыл бұрын

It is in the obscure tier that I may cover in a future video along with other ridiculously niche melee things such as heart shielding, z power shield, and TDI floorhugs