MELLE MEL RESPONDS TO EMINEM'S DISS TRACK! REACTION

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MELLE MEL RESPONDS TO EMINEM'S DISS TRACK! REACTION

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Жыл бұрын

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@SuperMunkeh Жыл бұрын

Em has been nothing but respectful to Melle Mel. He did nothing to deserve the 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 😂

@endofthestory9412 Жыл бұрын

And he didn’t even add the 9 and 10 the disrespect smh

@DizzyMakavelli Жыл бұрын

He was counting how many decades the producer of the beat has.

@DizzyMakavelli Жыл бұрын

You didn’t get the message.

@GotosleepZzzZ Жыл бұрын

@@DizzyMakavellibut what does that have to do with Em?

@chriscorkran6167 Жыл бұрын

@@endofthestory9412 Mil added the “9 from 10” though.

@jeffreytan2948 Жыл бұрын

Dad is genuinely embarassed in front of his daughter trying to defend the guy...😂

@GertDekeysers Жыл бұрын

It was actualy more embarrassed when Aleea came up with that black Lives Matter song that was even worse then this song do you remember that :D

@HectorMamajuana Жыл бұрын

@@GertDekeysersthat was cornier than the Melly Mel response. I got more respect for MGK’s diss than whatever you call that run on sentence. Tough talk from an anonymous poster going after a young woman.

@Dawwwg Жыл бұрын

And he should be, Melle Mel disappointed beyond imagination and his daughter called it too... Although it was a sad day for Hip-hop, this was very funny !

@periechontology Жыл бұрын

Nah, he's not embarrassed. He knows who Mell is far more than his daughter does, but Melle Mell was actually slightly before his time, so he doesn't really have any stake in the game. I know, I'm in the same position that he is generation wise. More than anything this is hilarious.

@nameless1873 Жыл бұрын

wait you telling me its actual dad and daughter? all these years watching i thought they were a couplr lmao

@smittybenzo4693 Жыл бұрын

In all fairness, Melle Mel upgraded his 1983 flow to 1987.

@joshuaspikes7159 Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@DizzyMakavelli Жыл бұрын

So why do I feel like Scarface is being released?

@salvambala7779 Жыл бұрын

@@DizzyMakavelliman it feel like MJ just dropped thriller

@hankson8 Жыл бұрын

😂 just 30 more years to go

@Darkstar_Dayne Жыл бұрын

@@DizzyMakavelliI'd watch Scarface any day but this song reminds you of the bad parts of the 80s era 😂😂😂

@OJW280483 Жыл бұрын

I can’t believe he made this and thought, “yeah, this will show Eminem who the greatest is…”

@hbmluiks Жыл бұрын

Well he did prove that Eminem is the greatest :D

@openyoursheeple748 Жыл бұрын

@@hbmluikslearn how to read man he said he will show em he is the greatest not saying em is the greatest how you going to talk shit but completely miss what the man said and also comparing this horse shit to any em is hilarious 🤣

@funjukebox1324 Жыл бұрын

No lie, I lowkey want Em to respond and use the 80s flow and go ham with it to show that it doesn't matter how you diss me, I can use your own flow and still cook you lmaooo 😂😂😂

@MetalFacedGamer Жыл бұрын

I think that's what we all want frfr Like deep down, a 1980s battle 🤣 Ngl That would be fire

@kalonjicoleman5183 Жыл бұрын

✍🏼👍🏼🔥

@jamesparker7016 Жыл бұрын

If I hear Eminem say “Hah hah ha HA” I will literally die

@nicksandz3209 Жыл бұрын

That would be hilarious

@noneofyourbiz39 Жыл бұрын

That would be iconic lol

@TheOnlyGhxst Жыл бұрын

Em actually gave Melle Mel and the Furious Five props during his Hall of Fame speech, they were one of the names mentioned on his list of inspirations.

@kyrie9312 Жыл бұрын

Damn

@markmac2206 Жыл бұрын

Mel "why they put Pee Wee Herman in the hall of fame?" me "um, why did Pee Wee shout you out?"

@johnnymayweather7476 Жыл бұрын

Em shout more great then any black rappers have

@ripped181 Жыл бұрын

@@johnnymayweather7476I love em but bro, stfu. You're the reason people hate eminem fans so much.

@system0fadowner251 Жыл бұрын

Rip to pee wee btw. A legend in his own right

@dominiccampbell181 Жыл бұрын

Mel was before Run DMC's time. The fact that he still raps that way, and really thought he was killing it, saddens me.

@arios1977 Жыл бұрын

Nothing wrong with the way he raps. That’s his style. He’s not a biter like everyone today. But that wordplay was wack, for sure

@YzaekPark Жыл бұрын

The style also needs to evolve.

@dominiccampbell181 Жыл бұрын

@@arios1977 It's outdated, even Run DMC evolved their style.

@supermanco8919 11 ай бұрын

@@arios1977If you don't evolve as an artist, you stay stagnant, and that's what happened to Mel, that play on words is from the 80's.

@vecci6173 Жыл бұрын

This song made my soul itch 😂 and Melle had the ACTUAL PREMEDITATED AUDACITY to say HE COULD DESTROY EMINEM 😂😂😂😂 You a pioneer Mel, STOP THIS MADNESS

@yo3rdtier128 Жыл бұрын

But he did, Melle won. It was good to hear some new-early 80’s style rap. Melle stayed true to his era. Straight up, nostalgia! This song would make a good TikTok dance challenge all fun

@SuperMunkeh Жыл бұрын

@@yo3rdtier128 🤣

@salvambala7779 Жыл бұрын

@@yo3rdtier128this is not a good dance song for tiktok and I don't even think you can dance to it. This "song" literally has no good bars

@freestuff1188 Жыл бұрын

@@yo3rdtier128 🧢🎓

@dopeyrelaxingsounds8607 Жыл бұрын

@@yo3rdtier128 Delusional

@noydb8310 Жыл бұрын

Eminem don’t care about if he’s in the top 5. It’s the disrespect he’s getting saying only reason he is because he’s white. Em stay getting backlash and he’s sick of it.

@MrPlainPizzaGAMING Жыл бұрын

He also gets backlash when he is not even saying anything to anyone. No tweets, no interview dissing anyone. He is at home & writing. People put his name in their mouth to get views & clicks.

@pokermush3714 Жыл бұрын

facts .

@KelliFranklin Жыл бұрын

@@MrPlainPizzaGAMING what you said!

@kingdevil9491 Жыл бұрын

@@MrPlainPizzaGAMINGFacts

@burllawson4185 Жыл бұрын

The reason Eminem is getting all the hate is because the politics of the country have radically changed. It's okay to openly hate whitey without any consequences.

@philipquist771 Жыл бұрын

No one can counter the 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 flow. Legendary

@robertlemmons2308 Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@kyrie9312 Жыл бұрын

@@robertlemmons2308 😆 🤣

@tjudah9022 Жыл бұрын

Listen to Chuck D do it and it hits way better when you finish with 9. Much respect to Mele Mel.😂

@bertoreyes7646 Жыл бұрын

Countin' 1- 8 is pre nursery rap! What a legend! Bar of the year!😂🤣😂

@bertoreyes7646 Жыл бұрын

@@tjudah9022 😂😂😂

@cestrella0108 Жыл бұрын

I like the boxing analogy, but their only about 10 years difference; they key is, while Melle Mel's ego never let him evolve, Em's ego of being the best caused him to evolve his flow. There are stages to Em's flows over the years, to what he is now. Melle Mel is stuck in the 80's.

@twizzy585ots Жыл бұрын

To be fair in boxing 10 years is a major difference...32 prime....42 washed

@MoreKellBellPlease Жыл бұрын

The way she says Dad and the look she gives you 😂 Priceless

@othonpedro2870 Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@deefire4836 Жыл бұрын

I haven't even watched yet, just reading comments. Let me see what you talking about. 🤣🤣 She looked concerned😂😂

@thekinghomie4268 Жыл бұрын

Good comment 😂

@noydb8310 Жыл бұрын

Man’s waited 3 days to drop a 1:12 so call diss to say 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 to Eminem 😂😂

@musondamusonda1205 Жыл бұрын

Nah he showed Pill Clinton / Pill gates who's boss😂😂😂

@blakmajik1377 Жыл бұрын

@@musondamusonda1205 lmfao 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

@markmac2206 Жыл бұрын

@@musondamusonda1205 cant believe he forgot Pillary Clinton.

@lcako1616 Жыл бұрын

@@markmac2206Cyprus Pill or Pill Nye the science guy

@lilhand47 Жыл бұрын

That shit took me out😂😂😂😂

@workoutwarrior3118 Жыл бұрын

Nas just got nominated for the Rock and Roll hall of fame ✌🏼❤️

@Darkstar_Dayne Жыл бұрын

About time

@KelliFranklin Жыл бұрын

No. He hasn't. They haven't announced the 2024 nominees and the class of 2023 was just announced a couple of months ago. They won't be inducted until November. With that said Missy Elliott and Rage Against the Machine are in the class of 2023. They will be inducted in November. Nas will be nominated in the next couple of years. Of that I have no doubt.

@workoutwarrior3118 Жыл бұрын

@@KelliFranklin you know what, you are correct.. he was inducted into another another award platform, I was watching that while reading about the HOF and somehow mixed the two.. either way, he deserves to be in there and so it’s been put out into the universe lol

@orlanzo2621 Жыл бұрын

@@workoutwarrior3118 Nas just got inducted into the Hip Hop HOF.

@workoutwarrior3118 Жыл бұрын

@@orlanzo2621 yeah that’s what I was watching and mixed into what I wanted to say.. although he should’ve been inducted by now

@uzi978 Жыл бұрын

You made a good point, Eminem doesn't say anything about these guys.. he gives more love to his predecessors than anyone in the history of rap. Mel started this shit with that interview saying Eminem doesn't belong in the Top 5 and that beating him in a battle would be the easiest thing he ever did. I don't think Mel could beat Nick Cannon at this point.

@tejbirsandhu1180 Жыл бұрын

How he hating greats 🤣🤣😂 Mel he was shouting out your name when he was inducted into the Hall of Fame 😂 in fact he shouted out over 100+ artists in his speech.

@Dezzyyx Жыл бұрын

I thought that was so weird too, but I realized he meant after EM said that assroid line, still though Mel asked for that

@dddlll2471 11 ай бұрын

100%

@alexalvarez1843 Жыл бұрын

Aleea is looking for answers, saying "Dad?" And looking at pops. POPS over there just laughing! 😂 this was the best reaction.

@antonykorir6058 Жыл бұрын

When she called dad several times , I knew this diss is sh*t😂😂😂😂

@uwereasweatonce2898 Жыл бұрын

That was hilarious “dad dad dad!!??!??!”😂😂😂😂

@redscorpion9325 Жыл бұрын

That made me laugh more 😂

@samrester6254 Жыл бұрын

For a lot of the younger generations, this is their first introduction to Melle Mel. Talk about going out sad.

@tris87don16 Жыл бұрын

😂😂

@plutooo525 Жыл бұрын

i am born in 03 and this is first time i hear about melle mel

@RockyInTheBuilding Жыл бұрын

I never thought that I would say this, but Melle Mel, Game & Nick Cannon are making me respect "Rap Devil" more as a legit diss track to Em, compared to their wack tracks imo

@raylax7056 Жыл бұрын

wrong, Game smoked Eminem so bad Eminem couldn't put his name on the diss track, that tells you who is who, and we both know who destroys who, not just now same as 10 years ago

@christofkerk3762 Жыл бұрын

@@raylax7056good smoke joke

@chrissears5482 Жыл бұрын

Em didn't respond to the Game because the black slim shady was dog shit and he just wanted attention

@bankrolDiggy Жыл бұрын

@@raylax7056game, is that your burner? 😂😂

@theghostofthomasjenkins9643 Жыл бұрын

i mean, even eminem gave mgk a b+ for the effort.

@hyp3rsora Жыл бұрын

Well said … if you invite someone into your house, you want them to feel at home. You’re not constantly reminding them that they’re guests. Especially if one of your guests is a carpenter who can expand the size of the house and increase the value! I would give them a room and a spare key 😂

@rodgeronimo6557 Жыл бұрын

Em just died laughing 🤣😂

@hereticalhobby Жыл бұрын

The genuine confusion on their faces was worth a sub.😂😂😂

@jflan8536 Жыл бұрын

"You lack class"...really. If you think that, watch Ems Hall of Fame induction. Em names like a 100 names of who he thinks should be in the Hall.

@guycampbell733 Жыл бұрын

And one of those people was Melle Mel

@Darkstar_Dayne Жыл бұрын

Melle Mel was one of them

@Jamalz1289Henderson-xw5ik Жыл бұрын

Including Melle Mel, which is cap. He gave that man too much respect cuz Melle Mel sucks

@courtneyharris1006 Жыл бұрын

He pulled up with the ANCIENT pen🤣 Holding a stone table at a spaceship like he about to ward it off 💀

@FlorenceandNormandie Жыл бұрын

Lmfaoooooooooooo

@michaelmitchell7350 Жыл бұрын

All Melle Mel was missing in this rap was hip hippy hip hop😂😂😂😂😂

@MrJsnodgrass Жыл бұрын

As a person that has loved and listened to hip hop since the 80s, I believe that Melly Mel is not a legend, but rather a pioneer, the Yankees of the 30s were pioneers, Babe Ruth is the legend.

@periechontology Жыл бұрын

Agree.

@NoMuShRoOmS Жыл бұрын

All jokes aside he is godfather of rap he's a legend

@Oatmilllk Жыл бұрын

Well said

@movingforward-fc4lg Жыл бұрын

@@NoMuShRoOmSJames brown is the godfather of rap music 🎶 if it wasn’t for him we wouldn’t have no rappers

@design1of470 Жыл бұрын

What KILLS me about Melle Mel, is that he has an unmistakable voice. He had no reason to put effects and double his voice like that, it doesn't even sound like him! I mean, that diss track is garbage regardless, but it sounds even worse than it needs to, and then there's the gunshots lol

@Dezzyyx Жыл бұрын

gunshots was beat going like "tf you doing get off me" then joint cut short 🤣

@ifakerr8369 Жыл бұрын

Melle Mel the 80's called and want that flow back 😂😂

@markmac2206 Жыл бұрын

Mel: "oh yeah? well the jerk store called and theyre all outta YOU!"

@iamkelz6047 Жыл бұрын

When bro said 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 … I felt that 😂😂

@jeroldbarrioslanticse1849 Жыл бұрын

Imagine after they record this Melle Mel and his friends do a high five 🤚✋ and Melle Mel shout "This is it!" and they also said to him "You got 'em, Mel!"

@movingforward-fc4lg Жыл бұрын

Exactly 😂I grew up in the 80s and those rap artists in the 80s and 90s weren’t getting the money like the rappers are getting today and they feel bitter and I think melle Mel went off like that

@wutdadeal3 Жыл бұрын

I love y'all...and your honesty. Respect to both of you. Y'all kept me laughing in this video too. Between facial expressions and reactions 🤣 😆 😂

@rayrock7662 Жыл бұрын

The way he counted to eight was 🔥🔥🔥

@PinheadFTW Жыл бұрын

I love the reaction, your dad is literally on the edge of laughing everytime Melle Mel speaks a word and it's funny af hahah

@zachosborne6577 Жыл бұрын

“So he WAS in mc hammers era” 💀

@massdonamar Жыл бұрын

Everytime you said "daddy" out of embarrassment I died 😂😂 Worst part about it is that a couple months ago when Em got into the hall of fame he made a huge list of hip hop artist from the past he feels should get the nod and melle.mel.was in it. He is just hating Em for no reason

@MegaShamron Жыл бұрын

I was waiting for this reaction 😂😂😂

@Deepmmpactt Жыл бұрын

Very well said.. Dad your "Guess in somebody's house" Analogy was absolutely BRILLIANT AND ON POINT" and Big Ups to your beautiful daughter evaluations as well.

@veryblood57 Жыл бұрын

Respect to your Pops... always good to see him supporting

@teronward7570 Жыл бұрын

Props to OG for at least swinging, He missed but he tried😂

@NoMuShRoOmS Жыл бұрын

Her dad is actually looking like a dad noe.. When they first started he looked like he could be her older bro

@no1_left Жыл бұрын

Amazing you guys turned a 1 min diss into a 10 min vid 😂😂

@EatMyPropwash Жыл бұрын

Not hard to do when you’re discussing certain points.

@Marvell3000 Жыл бұрын

When the reaction is better than the song

@redluck01 Жыл бұрын

Congratulations Aleea! You have just heard an original 1982 rap. But, it is 2023. It shows the what the difference between the birth of rap and now.

@Sayin42 Жыл бұрын

Eminem actually gave mad respect to Melle Mel during his induction into the Hall of Fame which makes this situation even more crazy since Mel came after Em not long after that 🤦‍♂️

@MonteC68WC Жыл бұрын

Exactly ! I've listend to you guys for years, much love. I'm not the biggest EM fan in the world, but I still understand he is top tier in alot of categories. He shows more love and respect to the legends, the icons, the craft, etc.. Like it or not, EM did for Hip Hop what Tiger did for Golf and Thank God they did... I ran with Dj crews in the 80s & 90s and my parents were record dealers in the 70s and 80s so of course I salute and respect Mel, but he sounds like a bitter hater. There is lots of money for him to make out there but hes sabotaging himself.

@boughtcreator6924 Жыл бұрын

yo dad is how all the OG's feelin rn

@codyx8273 Жыл бұрын

i was dying when she first paused it. dad's laugh had me rolling

@ryanlapoint89 Жыл бұрын

I love the head bobbin stoppin immediately

@Kiviluvu Жыл бұрын

The whole beat sound like someone smashing the lunchtray on a school table

@matamorostexas7238 Жыл бұрын

Pops first laugh had me dying 😂

@bruceleeds7988 Жыл бұрын

Commenting before playing vid: It's usually Pops shaking his head at rappers Aleea's feeling. I'm looking forward to her looking to the right and saying "That's YOUR nigga right there. YOUR NIGGA!!" 🤣🤣🤣

@wilt3302 Жыл бұрын

12345678...was his hardest line em didn't deserve that...😂😂☠️

@redscorpion9325 Жыл бұрын

😂

@Antibot2025 Жыл бұрын

Below the belt that is.

@Dezzyyx Жыл бұрын

why you hate why you mad now you look bad!

@markmac2206 Жыл бұрын

still cant believe Nas left that out of Ether.

@alaskador6119 Жыл бұрын

"beard is weird" is better than 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 😅

@markmac2206 Жыл бұрын

so is Elvis Pussley.

@noneofyourbiz39 Жыл бұрын

Your dad's constant laughing response, priceless. Dead on

@PapaFlorez Жыл бұрын

Og’s are not acting like Og’s.

@alanrobertson2952 Жыл бұрын

Good news is Melle Mel sound just like he did in 1982, Bad news is Melle Mel sound just like he did in 1982 😂😂😂...

@Dandy671 Жыл бұрын

Dad Heheheh Dad heheheheheh DAD! HEHEHEHEHEHEH LMAO got me already

@graphsicimagevinyls5882 Жыл бұрын

AWW you beat me to this comment! too funny 😂😂😂😂

@mssclaudine7397 Жыл бұрын

“Dad. DAD.DAAAD…” 🤣

@veteranreacts Жыл бұрын

Memphis Here!!!! Loved the reaction!!!

@lorgin2003 Жыл бұрын

I can't help but be reminded of that episode of the Boondocks where Grandad and Thugnificent were beefing and made diss tracks about each other. Em doesn't even need to respond to it, Mel already did the job for him.

@robertluong3024 Жыл бұрын

The mix of shame and enjoyment and disappointment in this video is so great.

@SOSDynamikz213 Жыл бұрын

“12345678”!!!! Bars😂😂😂😂

@FlorenceandNormandie Жыл бұрын

Lmaooooooooooooooooooo

@harryesq9404 Жыл бұрын

Em should troll melle mel now with a 80s flow and beat and roast the hell outa him 😂❤

@illuminahde Жыл бұрын

It's like when you see your grandpa try to hoop. Y'all don't hurt PawPaw out there. He's trying.

@guangos_mangos8756 Жыл бұрын

I like how she finally decided to not just agree with everything her pops says, you can tell even he's embarrassed from this shit they used to call music. It worked back then but if anything he's setting rap back. And Eminem is not a guest in hip hop people are just mad cause a white boy can do it better than most artists out nowadays

@heathercollins1719 10 ай бұрын

Love your dad’s balanced reactions.

@kalpanaarora7214 Жыл бұрын

Melle Mel was in Em's hall of fame speech 2022 😞

@alsavjh816 Жыл бұрын

Her reaction was hilarious 😆😂👏👏

@SOSDynamikz213 Жыл бұрын

This gonna be soooooo funnnyyyyyyy😂😂😂😂😂

@smileytlj23 Жыл бұрын

Imagine your kid comes up to you talking about a song from one of the rappers you used to bump as a youngin, and you get super excited to talk about them and then you hear whatever the hell Melle Mel just vomited into your headphones. Now you gotta look at your kid and justify your taste and swear he wasnt that bad back then. Melle Mel just did that to hundreds of thousands of fathers across the globe. These men are victims and deserve compensation for the emotional distress.

@richdude8150 9 ай бұрын

Bro your analogy I'd the guest in the house situation is so underrated. One million people needs to hear this

@DizzyMakavelli Жыл бұрын

I think people are hating on Mel. Dude made Hiphop first song ever after HipHop 50th anniversary. That’s some genius thing.

@GotosleepZzzZ Жыл бұрын

😂

@survivalrush Жыл бұрын

lol dude, you got me cracking up with that. Nice 👍🏻

@joshuawaugh300 Жыл бұрын

Bro are you trolling 🤦‍♂️

@ksager123 Жыл бұрын

Lmao I know you troll passport bros, but this is just too far lol

@ksager123 Жыл бұрын

Lmao I know you troll passport bros, but this is just too far lol

@Rebellen007 Жыл бұрын

Damn, that was rough.

@Mercury6_ Жыл бұрын

When he said “1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8” that bar hit so hard

@FrankieBeanss Жыл бұрын

eminem thanked melle mel in his rock and roll hall of fame speech

@MegaPsycho84 Жыл бұрын

This is extremely embarrassing

@TheRealGothicBarbie Жыл бұрын

Melle Mel is trash. He's a one hit wonder and considered a legend by default because he was one of the first to start doing hip hop. Being the first to do something doesn't make you good 😂

@oz30ification Жыл бұрын

Exactly! It's like James Naismith playing against Michael Jordan

@isaacmithi8914 Жыл бұрын

Big Treu much respect

@wallyparker1416 Жыл бұрын

This man did something a lot of people haven't did in a long time made a whole bunch of black people laugh in this country at one time

@steveg7066 Жыл бұрын

Dad's face as soon as the music starts says so many words without speaking that that could have been the whole reaction

@JimJamFam Жыл бұрын

This is why Eminem has no competition. Anyone with any self-respect knows it's a horrible idea to come at him. Not to mention his competition respects him...Props to MGK for having the best EM diss!

@lemgunz8829 Жыл бұрын

This shit go hard as fukk🔥🔥🔥 The 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 was dope man.. The man casually drop the best diss track of the year.. From 1923

@DKTheDarkKnight Жыл бұрын

Dad couldn’t hold the laughter in 😂😂😂😂.

@michelejones6785 23 күн бұрын

I love watching the reactions to this!! It’s hilarious!!!

@messcott4849 Ай бұрын

This the funniest review yall ever done LMFAO 💀😂🤣

@dantheman8152 Жыл бұрын

Thats cool this channel is still going strong

@nellatl Жыл бұрын

Much respect to the dad for respecting who Melle Mel is

@rebeccalebeck9180 11 ай бұрын

NEVER seen dad this uncomfortable!! 😂😂

@TheConservativeLiberal2Watch Жыл бұрын

I love how embarrassed dad is. Like nooooooooooo........

@GooninForLife Жыл бұрын

Lmfao 😂😂😂😂😭😭😭 I died when you was like "what???? 😒😑 Yo bro" I died out of my chair laughing your face said it all lmfaooooo 😂😂

@alwayzchill1 11 ай бұрын

That face every reacter makes when they hear the beat start up and he starts rapping. The confusion is hilarious

@Chance-98 Жыл бұрын

There's 2 top 5 list everyone should recognize. You're personal top 5 and a top 5 based on skill alone regardless of if you mess with em. My example is Nas and Tupac. Neither are in my personal top 5 but I'd put them top 5 if I took my opinion out of it and based it on skill and influence alone