What Is A Classical Education? And Why Does It Need Defending?

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Memoria Press

Memoria Press

3 ай бұрын

In this episode, Tracy Lee Simmons, classical scholar, author of Climbing Parnassus , and friend of Memoria Press, joins us to present "A Call for Restoration"-his argument for and introduction to Sir Richard Winn Livingstone's book, A Defence of Classical Education.
Defending the study of Latin & Greek, Logic, and the Great Books has never been more important. Livingstone's book offers a look back to a time in history when the study of ancient languages and classical studies was paramount in the classroom, but is losing ground in the cultural mindset. We live in the consequence of that time and Livingstone's arguments for the restoration of classical education have never been more relevant.
Join us as Tracy Lee revisits the historical context of classical learning in Livingstone's time, as he highlights its ever-diminishing cultural value in the face of modern educational priorities, and discusses how we, adults and children alike, must advocate for and defend a curriculum that upholds Truth, Goodness, and Beauty that have gone missing in our cultural landscape.
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@rasheedlewis1
@rasheedlewis1 25 күн бұрын
Whoever handles the lighting, set design, music, video, etc, knows exactly what they’re doing.
@The_Cause
@The_Cause 3 ай бұрын
First of all, the quality of this video is amazing. The message is fantastic as well. Presented in a clear and engaging way. I have been searching for a book like this after reading Milton’s “Tractate on Education.” Thanks so much for sharing and looking forward to reading it. Please keep up the amazing work!
@oneminutereads7103
@oneminutereads7103 Ай бұрын
Sir, your language does justice to the subject matter. Loved it.
@chrislambert9435
@chrislambert9435 Ай бұрын
My Son aged 13 years is in The "Norwich School" but He's now off to Eton College. Thankyou for your presentation
@charliesomoza5918
@charliesomoza5918 5 күн бұрын
Excellent!!
@kevinjones2145
@kevinjones2145 3 ай бұрын
I am 63. I am working through volume 1 of ATHENAZE and hope to begin vol 2 in 2025. I can currently read parts of the Gospels. I hope in years to come to be able to read Epictetus and other philosophers. I have proven to myself that learning languages is mostly about consistent effort over an extended period of time. Thank you for this great video. (I don't know if I will live long enough to make it to Latin. )
@josephadkins549
@josephadkins549 3 ай бұрын
Perfect! I was employed in our local public school system for a total of 3 months. Within the first week I knew I needed to keep my kids away from the environment. With a first grader who loves to learn and a toddler on their way I found classical education prudent.
@emilymiller1792
@emilymiller1792 3 ай бұрын
Please work to improve your local public school, for the sake of the betterment of the whole community. As citizens in a constitutional republic, we have a responsibility to make sure public education is excellent, too.
@josephadkins549
@josephadkins549 3 ай бұрын
I agree. However I have a responsibility to my family.
@emilymiller1792
@emilymiller1792 3 ай бұрын
@@josephadkins549 I homeschooled, as well. Please consider attending school board meetings, looking through the public school curricula, and advocating for improvements. Lots of kids do not have parents who know the benefits of a classical education or are even paying attention. Your voice is invaluable for saving public education and, in many ways, the future of our republic.
@alexanderbarron8574
@alexanderbarron8574 Ай бұрын
I'm an African American. I love this idea, especially Classic Education Lite mixed with a global review of literature. I feel both attached to the Greeks and Romans as well as Confucius, Buddha, and the proverbs of West African priest.
@joesouthborn2960
@joesouthborn2960 Ай бұрын
Dear Alexander... do you mind me asking about how to find the works of West African priest? Thank you!
@alexanderbarron8574
@alexanderbarron8574 19 күн бұрын
@@joesouthborn2960 The Rebecca Crown Library has some great resources.
@AsianAnticsOfficial
@AsianAnticsOfficial 17 күн бұрын
Sounds delightful! I am Asian myself, and I highly recommend eastern works.
@dawnworley7369
@dawnworley7369 3 ай бұрын
Absolutely outstanding!
@BreezeTalk
@BreezeTalk 3 ай бұрын
I absolutely adore his use of a little legal speech; really the whole presentation is brilliant.
@SirGandalfTheWise
@SirGandalfTheWise 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video! It inspires me to start learning Latin and Greek. I hope to persevere even with a busy schedule. Keep up the excellent content! 👏
@maricaywillis5137
@maricaywillis5137 3 ай бұрын
This is absolutely beautiful. Well done, Memoria Press! ❤
@Ashgutierr
@Ashgutierr 3 ай бұрын
This is so exciting! Climbing Parnassus was my favorite read of 2023.
@user-io9ln1or7c
@user-io9ln1or7c Ай бұрын
Thank You Sir for reveal me the bok and the writer. Thank you again.🎉
@orlandosalazar9295
@orlandosalazar9295 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for this video. I will read this Book Professor.
@memoriapress
@memoriapress 3 ай бұрын
Wonderful!
@pangaeuspress
@pangaeuspress Ай бұрын
This seems to miss the whole point of a truly classic education. That's grounded in the Trivium of grammar, rhetoric, and dialectic, the user's manual of the human mind, that teaches students how to think efficiently, quickly, and rightly. And in the Quadrivium of arithmetic, geometry, astronomy, and music, which teaches students how to apply those skills of thinking to understand, control, and improve the reality around us. The classic literature touted here is necessary, of course, but without an elementary education in those Seven Liberal Arts they are incomprehensible, even if one has been hammered into learning Greek and Latin.
@jennablue87
@jennablue87 3 ай бұрын
Beautiful
@TheMitzyBitzy
@TheMitzyBitzy 3 ай бұрын
Yes!
@TheGringoSalado
@TheGringoSalado Ай бұрын
Wonderful ❤
@SWKS_AG05
@SWKS_AG05 2 ай бұрын
Bravo 😊
@ddchomeschool
@ddchomeschool 3 ай бұрын
Your discussion of certain chapters posing difficulty to modern readers calls to mind a chapter from The Closing of The American Mind entitled “From Socrates' Apology to Heidegger's Rektoratsrede.” That one was ROUGH! 😂
@RodMartinJr
@RodMartinJr Ай бұрын
There is *_another kind of education_* not mentioned here. It is a touch of the classical and the practical, mixed with the entertaining and illustrative, along with the self-critical and imaginative. 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯 Infinity Dynamics Foundation and University
@schoe5388
@schoe5388 Ай бұрын
Painless effective education probably does not exist. But people insist on these for one hundred years and blamed teachers. Now we see the results these days where the universities and politics are taken over by ideology and pure nonsenses. The societies consider college education irrelevant. Political discourses are just ways to get more funding for interest groups. Politicians are just political technicians or PR people.
@jenniferflower9265
@jenniferflower9265 3 ай бұрын
I’d love to become a classical education teacher. I a bit hesitant to go sign up for my local community college to get started do to not knowing if it’s even the training I’d want. I’m 45 starting this. I did do some classical education with my children through elementary school and a bit of middle school. Do you have any suggestions on where I could start?
@rasheedlewis1
@rasheedlewis1 25 күн бұрын
I’ve been taking the Memoria Press courses on my own. I believe there’s an Introduction to Classical Studies textbook that you can use. For Latin, Lingua Latina For Greek, Athenaze
@jenniferflower9265
@jenniferflower9265 25 күн бұрын
@@rasheedlewis1 Thank you for the information. I’ll check it out.
@shinypeter7
@shinypeter7 Ай бұрын
Two words. Stoic and Trivium.
@KingoftheJuice18
@KingoftheJuice18 3 ай бұрын
Despite the classical virtue of making true, objective judgments, short shrift was given here to the many and varied reasons that admiration of Greece and Rome waned in the West. All changes from pre-modern culture are suggested to be something low, cheap, and vaguely communist. The limitations and weaknesses of traditional societies, their significant prejudices and injustices toward women, slaves, non-whites, non-Christians, and others did not break the serene surface of the presentation. The potential defects of democracy are alluded to, but not a gesture is made to the problems of aristocracy, of unmerited elitist exclusion. Amazingly, it's as if things were just ever so lovely throughout the whole of the classical and post-classical West until Lenin and company came along. Who could have possibly complained about anything except those "sleepy" yet "howling" souls unwilling to accept their assigned place in the natural or God-given order-and to learn Greek and Latin? Of course we have much to learn from the classics and their languages, but despising the new because it is new, or change because it is change, is no more valid than despising the old because it is old. Conservative politics should not be confused with respect for the classics. I believe Plato would be the first to say that his Socrates-executing society was not better than ours. And there was no "classical education" among οἱ πολλοί in ancient Greece; widespread, public education for rich and poor, male and female alike is a quite modern invention.
@martincothran
@martincothran 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for this. You have exemplified here one of the great virtues of Western civilization: Its willingness to criticize itself. You even cite Plato, who, of course, was a great exemplar of this cultural trait. Not only that, but you have cited those human rights concerns that were articulated by Western thinkers, based on Western thought, which were appealed to again and again by the great leaders of social reform East and West, thinkers like Frederick Douglas, Martin Luther King, Jr., Ghandi, Nelson Mandela, etc., who all based their criticisms of injustice on the writings of Western thinkers. I agree with everything you say here.
@KingoftheJuice18
@KingoftheJuice18 3 ай бұрын
@@martincothran Thanks for your reply. Yes, the video did not portray that virtue, in my view. But I'm curious about one aspect of your reply: Are you counting the Bible and other religious texts of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam as part of what you are calling Western thought or civilization? Many social reformers were especially inspired by Israelite Scripture, yet the video doesn't mentioned the need to learn Hebrew.
@user-cs9is7mh7q
@user-cs9is7mh7q Ай бұрын
The more relevant New Testament is in Greek.
@KingoftheJuice18
@KingoftheJuice18 Ай бұрын
@@user-cs9is7mh7q Did you mean that the more relevant reason to learn Greek is to read the NT?
@user-cs9is7mh7q
@user-cs9is7mh7q Ай бұрын
@@KingoftheJuice18 The original claim concerned the added benefit of reading foundational texts of Western Civilization in the original languages, hence prioritizing Latin and Greek. The counterclaim questioned why Hebrew was not included. My response was meant to show, as a priority, why Greek would rank higher: you not only get the great literature of Homer and the playwrights, and the philosophy, but also the New Testament, which is, I would argue, more relevant to Western development than "Israelite Scripture," at least marginally, and in terms of what could be gained from an original language study. So the utility of Greek is much higher than Hebrew in that regard. Islam is not Western. My personal view, however, is that reading in translation is good enough, with the right translation, and the study of comparative translations is a vast and fascinating pursuit.
@deankling3654
@deankling3654 3 ай бұрын
Hoc amo.
@CafePressi
@CafePressi Ай бұрын
We have the cheap way out , the instant answer devoid of the fundamentals of meaning.
@siyabongampongwana990
@siyabongampongwana990 3 ай бұрын
Where would you recommend we start learning?
@hephaestusfortarier249
@hephaestusfortarier249 3 ай бұрын
Start reading the classics, and Hillsdale college has free online lectures that are the same quality/style of this video. Would recommend starting there. There are several lists which have the classics, one set is Mortimer Alders Great Books of the western world, you can also look at curriculum for classical schools such as St. John’s college.
@emilymiller1792
@emilymiller1792 3 ай бұрын
Susan Wise Bauer has some good guides, as does Charlotte Mason. I concur with Mortimer Adler. E.D. Hirsch and Neil Postman, too. Read broadly. Read the Great Works. Read history.
@Nick-zb4yg
@Nick-zb4yg 3 ай бұрын
@@hephaestusfortarier249 Homeric Greek by Clyde Pharr.
@randywaldron2715
@randywaldron2715 25 күн бұрын
An eloquent
@randywaldron2715
@randywaldron2715 25 күн бұрын
An eloquent argument
@meenki347
@meenki347 3 ай бұрын
Trigger warning: I'm an advanced Postmodernist. I love Classical Greek and Roman Literature. And I think it should be an option for first graders along with Diary of a Wimpy Kid. When Deconstructed, Aristotle's Rhetoric is The Bobby Fisher Teaches Chess of persuasive conversations, pick up and sales. However, what Modernists both infantile postmodernists and conservatives share but are unaware of, is that forcing people to read or learn a certain curriculum can only bring it's equal and opposite reaction. Don't worry, thousands of Latin, etc. readers worldwide are connecting on the internet and Latin is stronger than ever. There was also an insane pronoun culture war in early 19th Century Germany. The King of Prussia wanted a united German Church. But the Calvinists and Lutherans fought over; "God Bless Thee" or "God Bless Thou". It became quite heated as it was a common every encounter phrase at the time. By the way, In the Autobiography of Malcolm X he said that he read Herodotus. So, I picked it up and loved it. Every Ancient book after that was so good. It was like science fiction, a whole new genre opened to my eyes. I did it totally by myself in high school. I've read the works of European Philosophy, Literature and Black Literature. Indian and Chinese. I lived in the UK and France dans la légion étrangère françaiser. Relax Ecclesiastes 1:9
@mikebreeden6071
@mikebreeden6071 25 күн бұрын
I really like this, and it certainly is not false, but what if it is critically incomplete? What if there is an even deeper foundation that reveals even more and shows something critically important missing from this view? With any knowledge of classical thought, you know its power is as expressed in this video, but how does that interact with another great power, instinct? Can you even consider instinct after the cultural blindness to it we exist in? Much of that comes from "The Church" teachings that humans have no instincts, because that would mean that they are animals instead of divine. Besides, our greatest tools of understanding are based on logic and reason of critical thinking, but instincts are based on the trial and error of evolution with its large component of chance. Reason may not help much with such a slippery topic. Just consider survival instinct, which should be our most powerful instinct. Oh, but you cannot consider it. You have no name for it. Heck, even the French have no name for it. Better still, you have even already forgotten that this paragraph is about instinct. It's just how people think... or don't and instinct does not fit in your mind. Still, it is your oldest and most powerful instinct, even more powerful than your moral instinct that decides what is right and wrong, based on the moral system it knows. It is your survival instinct that makes you choose right. As this video says, there is a great power to words. If you only knew that name of your survival instinct. it would strengthen and enlarge your world more than you would imagine. I am a biologist and was looking for how to release and strengthen our instincts enough to survive the massive changes occurring. Knowledge of the classics alone will not be enough. The essential truths of classical education might be though... if you could sift them out, even without the Latin or Greek. English evolved from them, contains them, and it is a great language that is richer than either. It is the essential lessons of classical education that matters, as they interact with instinct, that matters. The trick is to know what lessons those are. Philosophy can provide great knowledge, but it takes a knowledge of instinct (and biology) to tell what of that knowledge really matters to a human. ... Also, biology, ecology in particular, is what I use to describe the changes that humanity faces, and it shows some important new details that are not in the classical knowledge. Here's a fun part for you. I say the same things as the video does about the importance of classical education for the same reasons, as well as the critical need for releasing and developing instincts. I'll skip that discussion, but here is another. What happened to classical education might be different than you think. Civil War letters showed a mastery of classical knowledge. I found a 1910 grammar school syllabus that included philosophy. Whan did it become considered an archaic knowledge, as it too commonly is now? ... From my book: World War I demonstrated the power and wealth of science. The ancient war between science and religion was decisively won in the 1925 Scopes trial, but religion was not the only thing damaged. Philosophy was a collateral casualty. What if that victory by science was Pyric? Science is a jealous mistress. It claims all authority over knowledge and truth, even though it is not good at teaching understanding or even reason. STEM is almost all we teach now, besides perhaps art. (Luckily this is incorrect.) No Home Economics, no Civics, no Manual Arts... What else was lost and does it hurt science? It does. It hurts so many things. Philosophy used to be taught in grammar school. It needs to be again, for science, for healthy families, for mental health, for healthy societies, for so many things. It is the foundation our science, knowledge, government and even our civilization was built upon. They shall not endure without it. Yes indeedee, science killed philosophy. Now that would be some meme warfare for you. I'm currently writing an essay about how almost every social ill from population decline to the battle of the sexes to drug addiction could be solved by teaching philosophy along with reading and writing. It might even be true.
@cbeaudry4646
@cbeaudry4646 3 ай бұрын
I like the Classical Education thing Except I think it focuses too little on Christianity
@PG22_Hello
@PG22_Hello 3 ай бұрын
A strong point.
@rtsesmelis
@rtsesmelis Ай бұрын
Ha, ha, Christianism, as most religions, tends to aim for orthodoxy, mostly by making stuff up. The Classical writers, for all their shortcomings, sincerely tried to get to the truth and would engage in free debate. That's why they always will remain superior. Sorry! The Classics will always be read. One day, Christanism will be nothing but a footnote.
@AsianAnticsOfficial
@AsianAnticsOfficial 17 күн бұрын
Classical education tends to supplement Christians understanding of God with pagan writings from the Greeks and Romans. But you don't need Christianity to read works pre-Christian era.
@meofamily4
@meofamily4 Ай бұрын
I'd be willing to listen to a defense of classical education, but -- after listening for a third of this -- the speaker just repeats that it's good, without feeling the need to support the claim. The movement toward democracy has made it no longer possible to sustain a society in which one percent of the population received an education. What about the Chinese? They seem to be impressive contributors to civilization, not excluding the many benefits immigrants from China have brought to the United States. Not a Latin or Greek scholar among them. Should we contemplate requiring Eight-Legged Essays on the Confucian Classics? -- they certainly were 'hard'. Just as we cannot continue to make do with an elite class of One-Percent, so we cannot continue to restrict "culture" to Western Europe. Western Europe gave us Auschwitz, and the atomic bomb dropped on two non-military targets. Genghis Khan, no slouch at conducting massacres, nonetheless listened to the value of not killing productive citizens. Neither Hitler nor Stalin did. Genghis did not have the benefit of classical education, while both Hitler and Stalin did. The latter even went to a seminary. So no, let us broaden our horizons about what is worthwhile in humane letters; let us study the history of the world, rather than that of a long-deceased belligerent empire.
@HelenA-fd8vl
@HelenA-fd8vl 20 күн бұрын
I am European and evidence suggests that we have developed the most successful civilisation that ever existed. No doubt I will be accused of arrogance but tell me why people of all different backgrounds and races struggle and fight to move to countries which have their roots in European civilisation. In the Western world we should cherish our roots and teach all the achievements of the ancient world. That is our heritage. Then we can turn our attention to the history of the rest of the world.
@meofamily4
@meofamily4 20 күн бұрын
If by "successful," @@HelenA-fd8vl , you mean industrialized, it is true that the Industrial Revolution took place in England in the last half of the 18th century, and nowhere else before then. Prosperity -- wealth -- is the reason for the immigration from non-European countries, Helen. That is, however, not a defense of Classical education, since quite a few non-European, non-Western nations these days are both industrialized and wealthy. Surely the benefit of a theological education was first-rate in the year 1100 AD, but not so much now. Similarly (and it's not even clear whether the Industrial Revolution depended crucially on the study of Latin and Greek) education might well be "better" in many ways now that virtually the entire world has adopted industrialization. Next, we are all mixed. Ought the over half of the population of London which is not of English origin study first their own history -- India, the Caribbean, East Africa -- before studying any English history, or ought everyone to receive the same, cosmopolitan, global history, with specific reference to the history of England?
@AsianAnticsOfficial
@AsianAnticsOfficial 17 күн бұрын
Nobody said you must exclude eastern texts, but heavily focuses on western texts. And this argument is heavily cherry picked. Have you even read any Chinese or Japanese history? These warlords learned the ways of confucious and Lao tzu and not a bit of Aristotle, but commit the worst atrocities of mankind! Like Cao Cao, for example.
@meofamily4
@meofamily4 17 күн бұрын
@@AsianAnticsOfficial We can agree that the gentlemen in question were innocent of Aristotelianism, but we may well differ on the subjective call of what constitutes the "worst atrocity of mankind". My understanding, if we count the number of dead civilians as the measure of atrocity, that the Tai-ping Rebellion, which leads the total of East Asian wars, had a death toll of 30 million (about the same as the Mongol Conquests -- see Wikipedia), while the Second World War killed some 80 million. And the 'leader' of the Taiping Rebellion was the younger brother of Jesus Christ, so -- definitely influenced by European culture. "Worst atrocity" is unavoidably subjective, though, and you may consider it worse if the death is accompanied by torture or rape or starvation.
@seannolan9754
@seannolan9754 Ай бұрын
"The Romans leave a desert and call it peace." Tacitus. This video is selective memory and arrogant snobbery at its worst. The Good-Old-Days trope is the contrast of the best of yesterday with the worst of today and then conjuring astonishment that the former wins such a comparison.
@AsianAnticsOfficial
@AsianAnticsOfficial 17 күн бұрын
The classical type of education has existed ever since the 10th century, and has suited us well until the 19th century. Out of around a millenia's worth of history, what makes us so different? These people are no inferior nor superior by any means, rather we are on the same level as they are, and we are still humans either way, capable of understanding. So just because we have phones and computers, does it just mean we now somehow, "learn differently" or "have more advanced beliefs, does it mean we are beyond Aristotle and his time? No! We simply have different ways of thinking of things, but we are essentially still the same either way.
@mikloscsuvar6097
@mikloscsuvar6097 13 күн бұрын
This make no sense. If Greek and Latin is so important to read the poems etc in original language, then the Bible must not be read other than in Hebrew. These languages consumed much precious time that should have been used for environment study, french etc.
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