the40yogamer sam was able to do it to as they were in Mordor and sam thought frodo dead but when he realized that he is still alive, rescued him and was able to give him the ring

Sam, though, only held onto the ring briefly.

r0bw00d that's true. He only had it for a day or so but still it is easy to be tempted by the ring so it's still an achievement

Also take into account, though, that Sam didn't take possession of the One Ring out of greed or a lust for power (not to mention that he's a Hobbit, making his receptiveness to the ring's calling greatly reduced), which greatly reduces the ring's influence on its possessor. But I do agree that being able to give it up regardless is a mighty accomplishment.

yeah, i meant people who had the thing for a while like Isildur Smeagol and Frodo. boromir even had the ring for a sec and gave it back to Frodo but we all know if he had it for any length of time what would happen

I like this topic also :) Its q. good material for interesting fanfiction. But for any movie adaptation it could be too complicated and slowing down the pace of the movie too much - at any rate this family feud is not too much about the Ring it had nothing to do with it and the Ring topic was the most important topic of the filmmakers. But showing the characteristics of Sackvilles at least two or three times in the 6 movies (LOTR+H1-3) was important as a part of characterisation of the Shire ppl who are not only nice ones :)

@@TallisKeeton I agree with Jason Mostsinger because it leads up to the Scourging of the Shire! But, it does not matter because about all of the characters have little to no character development!

Paul A. Me either! :) And I couldn't agree more. :)

Tom is overpowered.

The only change from the books to the movies that really upset me, and to me had no purpose, was the Elves at Helms Deep. Everything else was great and the omissions and changes weren't at all unwarranted.

Totally agree! Love both!

Mike Smithmyer well in the books they won't have been able to because they were fighting Dol Guldur

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His Dogs would be the new Ring wraiths.

dunno if you guys gives a shit but if you guys are stoned like me during the covid times you can watch all the new movies on InstaFlixxer. Have been watching with my brother during the lockdown :)

All will eat my delicious mushrooms and despair!

@@etinarcadiaego7424 the lil' thief Frodo - Farmer Maggot

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Dennis Clearly Yes. I think it was a mistake to bring an army of ghosts to Minas Tirith. Have you seen the Brotherhood Workshop video where Gothmog gives the Ghostbusters a call?

His rangers were great but there were too few of them to win the siege of the city. The "Grey Company" from the book who came south in the search of Aragorn's wherabouts was not more than 30 men. So it was enough to keep some ruffians from the borders of the Shire but not enough to free Minas Tirith. And if the movie showed them as grand army going to help Aragorn win his city back - well, this would be additional complication :) becouse where the Rangers should be during the Elrond's council and during the first stage of Fellowship's journey? If the movie shown that Aragorn got such great army at his disposal - so why didnt he use them earlier? This would be another complication as the small group of the Rangers should stayed at the Shire's borders as Gandalf asked them to, but if they were some big army of Rangers they should be going south to help Rohan and Gondor. But if they went south the Shire was without protection. So the ruffians invaded the Shire :) and we have the situation in which the movie should show now the occupation of the Shire :) which means the addition of about 30 minutes in the ROTK film :) So yes, I think that the green dead army was the optimal version to resolve the siege of the city and make the Shire protected by Aragorn's Rangers :)

@@TallisKeeton The truth is, the ghosts and the Three Hunters become evil when they kill ALL of the orcs! This is a good example of how Jackson does not understand what the good guys should and should not do in war. He does not understand any of the Battles that occurred in History! The ghost scenes, (including when they attack one of the ships), creates a huge plot hole because they can go to Mordor and murder all of the Orcs, too! This plot hole is just as big as the one in Hobbiton when the Hobbits first see one of the Black Riders, when Frodo almost gets captured by him at Buckleberry Ferry, at Bree when Sauron sees Frodo, the Weathertop scene, when the Witch-King could have captured Frodo when Arwen was with him, the Mirror of Galadriel scene, the Osgiliath scene in the Two Towers, the Minas Morgul scene when the Witch-King does not try to search for Frodo, etc! Merry and Pippin are retarded for most of the films! Saruman's and Sam's characters are mostly different. For some idiotic reason, Elrond forgets that Beren, Hurin, Turin, and more men in the past were all courageous, and the Elf-lord of Rivendell hates Aragorn so much that him and Arwen exile Aragorn after she almost decapitates him, (exile is a far-left term). Also, there are many more plot holes with most of Frodo's character in all of the films because, at the very end of the book, he has grown so much that he tells all of the Hobbits to not slay Saruman! He sucks at fighting back against his enemies! He drops his sword when he sees the ring-wraiths, and does not fight back against them at the ford. This destroys his character because he is too weak to be the ring-bearer! The end of the Council of Elrond is extremely convenient because the audience knows that Frodo will take the ring! He also does not stab the cave troll either, punches Boromir to the ground, is very easy with Gollum, tells Sam to go home, beats up Gollum like Sam and Faramir, and KILLS Gollum! There is little to no character development! And, there are a lot more plot holes than I can count that I will not type down, because it will take a very long time: Somehow, the Shire will always be safe because Gandalf and Elrond do not warn the Hobbits of its danger. The whole point of the lotr book is so that they can help save it in the end because they have been through much, much more than in the movies!! So it does not matter if it was not mentioned, and if it is in the film or not! Somehow, the Witch-King can break Gandalf's staff while Eowyn and Merry can defeat him when there is no Tom Bombadil, Gandalf forces Frodo, Theoden, and Denethor, Eru Illuvatar is evil when he forces the Orcs down in the giant, moving pit, etc.

@@saberhamlinconmaverickknud4821 He does not understand any of the Battles that occurred in History! you think that sparing lifes of the enemy was popular in historic battles? :D The ghost scenes, (including when they attack one of the ships), creates a huge plot hole because they can go to Mordor and murder all of the Orcs, too! no, they cant :) they were used only once and only for the protection of the city, not for the conquest of Mordor. though Gimli would have liked it :) and the esense of their use - in the book AND in the movie - was the same - to give them the chance of redeeming themselves and freed them. Such was Aragorns order - he freed them, as he should. Thats one of very rare movie scenes with exact book spiritual idea. :) And about ghosts conquering Mordor - I dont think that would be wise idea - they were not nice ghosts so they could seen Mordor as returning home :) Bree when Sauron sees Frodo Sauron see Frodo and what? :) Sauron is not in Bree, so what he can do? but the nazguls were riding in Bree. This plot hole is just as big as the one in Hobbiton when the Hobbits first see one of the Black Riders what exactly is this plothole? I dont understand. You mean the scene with the treeroots? When they are hiding under the treeroots? Where is this plothole there? they could see the nazgul, but nazgul couldnt see them. becouse nazguls havent got very good eyesight, they mostly smell the blood of other creatures to find them. although the thing with the blood was in the book, they dont mention it in the movie. if they mentioned it in the movie it would be big plothole becouse smelling the blood should be better to find a person in night than eyesight esp in such short distance as the hobbits under the tree were from the nazgul :)

@@saberhamlinconmaverickknud4821 when the Witch-King could have captured Frodo when Arwen was with him why? She got elven horse, very fast elven steed. the black horses were no match for asphaloth - it was exactly as it was in the book. the Mirror of Galadriel scene what about it? :) the Minas Morgul scene when the Witch-King does not try to search for Frodo, yes, in the book if I remember corectly the witch king riding from the gate of minas morgul stopped and it was kind of moment like from Star Wars with jedi - kind of "I feel smt" moment :) but he just went after his army and such :) this ommision didnt made any problem for the logic of the films. and the hobbits were at such distance from the gates that it was possible that the nazgul didnt feel anything, from the proximity of the ring. and the thing is that they focused upon the riding to battle and Sauron never recognised the possibility that anyone could be bringing the ring into Mordor to destroy it. Most of the time the hobbits were seen by Sauron and Co as only the guys who deliver the ring to some of the leaders of men, and when Sauron was informed about some captives they all thought that the captives were just spies. The Mouth of Sauron told the fellowship about a spy, not about a ringbearer. So the forces of Mordor could not know and could not comprehend the idea that someone doesnt want to have the ring and doesnt want to use it, and that someome would want to destroy it. So Sauron and Co for most of the time never knew that the Ring is going into Mordor. :) Why you should check for smt which you cannot even expect to be around? :) For some idiotic reason, Elrond forgets that Beren, Hurin, Turin, and more men in the past were all courageous, and the Elf-lord of Rivendell hates Aragorn He doesnt hate him, what is the reason for such idea? Elrond was his foster father. Elrond is old he of course remembers the stories of those heroes of the 1 age but in the FOTR scene he talks with Gandalf about men of today, of his times, not of older age. He doesnt think that they are not couragous, he thinks that they are scattered and leaderless, thats not the same. For some idiotic reason, Elrond forgets that Beren, Hurin, Turin, and more men in the past were all courageous For cinematic reasons the film about the Ring's war should be focused on the 3 age not 1 age. :) So the dialogues are mostly about 3 age and the story of the Rings.

eric leffingwell I thought making Aragorn reluctant to take the kingship was a good one, adding depth to an underwritten character. The other changes were not so happy.

The movies take a lot away from the Frodo character. Yes, one of the big weakness of the movies is this totaly unjust flattening of Frodos charachter. I dont mind that movie Frodo was not giving much swordfighting as many fans do seem to have problem with this. I dont mind this part at all. He was not much into swordfighting in the books anyway. But I m sorry that he was not depicted as wiser, more educated, more diplomatic, more curtius and more as elven friend. And the teacher and leader for younger hobbits. In the movies he lost so many of his important lines from the book. Many other heroes got much of development - Pippin, Sam, Arwen. But Frodo lost so much from his book version :(

I remember that most warriors in LOTR wore chainmails. :) Frodo's mithril shirt was padded with leather. Not like it was in the movies with only a chainmail without any padding. That would be stupid I think :) But I think that Imrahil's knights of Dol Amroth used some other kind of armors - not usual chainmail. Maybe it was smt like scale mail. The scales armor could be adequate for them becouse Dol Amroth's army was from the seashore and mostly sailors. But it could be just me not remembering the book enough :)

I dont undestand how the addition of just one year (3000 - 3001 or 2940-2941) could have changed the age of Aragorn in such a way that Legolas could have known him as an adult in the times just after the BoTFA? :) At BoTFA times book!Aragorn was 10 years old :) So I just assume that in H:BoTFA they made him a bit older. But, realy Thranduils lines about Arathorn and Aragorn are not without logic even when we assume that he spoke about little boy. Becouse generaly he speaks about his father as great man, and he speaks about young Aragorn as the one who could be even greater. So I dont see why this Thanduils line should be critisised as much as it is? Thranduil could've known Arathorn and many of his ancestors. And Thranduil could've send Legolas not as ally to adult Aragorn but as a teacher to young Aragorn. :) I always hold an opinion that between the scene of Gandalf's discovering that Bilbo's ring is the one (in Bag end before he is going south to see Saruman), and the scenes of the hobbit's journey to Bree (to wait for Gandalf) is a span of at least half a year. It was becouse I assumed that Barliman's (innkeepr) line about not seeing Gandalf for half a year was filmmakers suggestion about how much time went between the revealing the true nature of the ring and the start of the journey. and of course how much time Gandalf was jailed in Saruman's tower.

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He was useless for the movies. I would have liked to see Beregond case instead bc this was more important.

No doubt Tom will be a large part of the new LOTR Amazon series coming out

@ Joshua Muno Are they redoing the Lord of the Rings as a series? Regarding Tom Bombadil, i don't think that character would have worked very well with the tone of the movie. I think it would have been out of place, similar like the Goblin king song in the Hobbit movie.

@@nealsterling8151 yes. I think they announced 6 seasons? With a budget of over 1 billion. The largest budget for a series ever.

was going to say this but just saw your comment in time!

No , in the book it says One Hundred and eleventh birthday 🧐

It would be too confusing for a modern audience anyway as you don't say "elfty first" in everyday speech.

Correct! And a crucial birthday number it is! Kudos to you for getting here first to say it! :D

Jimmy Turner itll be next week going off other multi part videos

He never uploads too late, nor too early. He uploads precisely when he means to.

Cant wait!

You Fool of a Took!

Looking forward to part two! But am I overlooking it?

daniel donovan gotta do all three extended edition at least once

Oisin McPhillips Any DVD editions?

The Extended ones are totally worth it! I can´t immagine just watching the normal cuts anymore. ^^´

I totally agree! The extended editions add so much to the films. Man now I have got to watch them again! Paul A. you've got to check them out. You can find them online at a really reasonable price. Especially on ebay.

@@captainboromir6958 Are they on DVD?

ToddTheTolerable dafuq, i have never seen or read this name before, and today I played vs a guy named Lurtz. Then i saw your comment and had to go back in to double check match history

awesome!! never came across synchronicity before? ^^ did you win?