Why Was Melkor so Powerful? (Even Among Valar)

Why Was Melkor so Powerful? (Even Among Valar) - Middle-earth Explained

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Melkor’s power was unmatched by any other individual besides Eru himself in the universe of J.R.R. Tolkien. But why was the Dark Lord so uniquely powerful? Let’s explore this today! Thank you all so much for watching, let me know your thoughts on the power of Melkor in the comments below! As always, a great thanks to the online artists whose visual works made this video possible! If you are one of the artists, please let me know and I will post your name and a link to your work in this description!
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@elyesbendhia8008 Жыл бұрын

Crazy to think Fingolfin just went ahead and straight challenged him to a duel… Utter courage right there

@jakealter5504 Жыл бұрын

And the fact that Fingolfin seriously injured him shows how powerful Fingolfin really was

@Makkaru112 Жыл бұрын

@@jakealter5504 left him permanent wounds and a seriously baaaad limp that he’d never heal from which got the laughter and mockery from his generals and thralls alike for ages.

@jakealter5504 Жыл бұрын

@@Makkaru112 that’s more than feanor was capable of

@corpsedesecrator2612 Жыл бұрын

It is said that when Fingolfin charged the Gates of Angband that he was mistook as Oromë by all who had witnessed him and many of Morgoth’s servants Orcs even Glaurung fled in fear so this dude was so OP that he is bringing or being compared to a Vala but not just any Vala an Aratar the mightiest of speaks volumes of Fingolfin some of the finest writings in The Silmarillion along with his Eldest half brother Fëanor, and Túrin Turambar all my favorite characters in the book.

@dominushydra Жыл бұрын

Morgoth was barely a shell of what he once was after The Marring of Arda. He didn't have his godlike power anymore.

@KipIngram Жыл бұрын

8:00 - Yeah, that's a common theme in Tolkien. The idea of a creator putting their own essence and power into their creations. Feanor did it with the Silmarils, Celebrimbor did it with the Elven rings, and most importantly Sauron did it with the One Ring. It was necessary in order for those creations to "perform up to design." And, once spent, that essence was spent, and there was less left. Yavanna was unable to create the Trees again, though if she could have used the light still in the Silmairls she could have called the original Trees back to life. I think it's reasonable to regard this as a universal principle in Tolkien, and thus yes, Morgoth diminished himself as he expended his essence in the marring of Arda.

@arturzini4736 Жыл бұрын

I always thought that melkor's being OP was like a relation of too much power being associated with tyranny and corruption. If we think, almost everyone that's too powerful tries to do more in the stories. Just like if they didn't give value to what they had, and then try to command what they can because even that ammount of power isn't enough. And for melkor, being that powerful, the only thing that wasn't allowed to him was to give creation because he did not have the secret flame. His pride would drive him to go after more. Even Feanor, which was very powerful, manifested some bad actions out of his rage and pride. By other hand, you see that the powerful characters that don't use their power for bad things, usually earn it, being humble or learning the true value and use of their power... And then, melkor would be this powerful because he would instigate union in the other valar, so that they knew they should stand against him, and use their best with their powers to shape the world. Like if eru knew that this was the formula to make them work, in the end, even melkor, to the final objective.

@inigomontoya8943 Жыл бұрын

“For even the very wise cannot see all ends.”

@kreuzrittergottes9336 Жыл бұрын

power corrupts. absolute power corrupts absolutely. those with power always want more. How much? MORE....

@hudsonball4702 Жыл бұрын

I believe that Melkor was the Valar of Destruction plain and simple. Every time something was built or created he tore down (The Lamps and the trees) or, if not that, perverted in someway (turning Elves into Orcs). And reason why he lost a good portion of his power was because he "created" so many evils like the orcs and trolls. He did something that was against his purpose. He had to put forth a lot of power to do something he wasn't meant to do.

@TreeFiddyBandit 9 ай бұрын

On the contrary his journey reflected Eru’s will and plan for Melkor and Arda

@omnigod7131 2 ай бұрын

Melkor was the valar of all things negative, chaos, entropy, evil itself, destruction, not really death since that's mandos, Melkor was just built different.

@scotthudson8722 Жыл бұрын

I’ve read every published word of Tolkien’s M.E. over the last 35 years (or so), and this video (by itself) has fundamentally enhanced and enriched my understanding of his genius. I never quite comprehended exactly why Eru considered (and declared) the world more beautiful by way of Melkor’s chaos and evil. I get it now. Thank you!

@BC08 Жыл бұрын

It was really Tolkien’s round-about explanation as to why God allows Satan to exist and act against his will.

@valaraukar_595 Жыл бұрын

Because he had a share in all of his brethren’s powers, Morgoth was supposed to be a beginner/ initiator/ inventor or something to that effect and Manwe was supposed to be the one that would build upon his works by "managing" all the other Ainur. I actually think it's stated somewhere in the Silmarillion but I don't remember exactly.

@Makkaru112 Жыл бұрын

Tolkien Geek (Tolkien Lore Channel) covered this and even how literally Mairon replaced Manwë in this regard as Morgoth never completed anything where as Mairon would see everything through and even without Morgoth around he could manage perfectly fine without him. Check it out. If you have trouble finding it message me here and I’ll give the exact title. ❤️

@cherub3624 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, this. I just posted a similar comment. I'm honestly surprised Men of the West doesn't know this.

@valaraukar_595 Жыл бұрын

@@Makkaru112 I do have trouble finding this channel. Care to help? 😁

@CallmeKenneth-tb1zb Жыл бұрын

I think there's a more basic answer as to why Eru created Melkor. He knew that greatness is born out of hardship, that to bring the best out of the beings he created to inhabit Arda, they needed to be challenged. Simply sitting around in paradise would simply have lead to stagnation. As for Tolkien, I believe he also understood this and on a more simple level, you cannot have good without evil.

@catherinewhite2943 Жыл бұрын

Oh you can indeed have good without evil - both Eru and God are totally good and devoid of evil. You cannot have growth without testing and effort, and the fastest way to test is to withstand evil. But both Eru and God could have used other methods. The true test of free will is the ability to reject the Good, the True, and the Beautiful, in favor of self will and power. Melkor and Feanor (along with a host of others) failed that test. Thereby proving their free will was truly free.

@kensworld81 Жыл бұрын

it's what he said in the beginning.

@crcurran Жыл бұрын

Why would anyone leave heaven? well, "I'd rather rule in Middle Earth than serve in the Undying Lands" - Faenor, Galadriel and many others probably

@Makkaru112 Жыл бұрын

@@crcurran CluelessFanGirl’s video chat with GirlNextGondor regarding the Vanyar in depth answers all these comments combined. ❤️❤️❤️❤️

@indio4-215 Жыл бұрын

@@crcurran Reminds me of that famous quote from Paradise Lost, "Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven".

@MTJDisorder Жыл бұрын

Excellent analysis as always. I’d also like to add to the idea of Melkors diminishing greatness, it wasn’t just as he dispersed his power but also as he fought those apposed him. I always understood Tolkiens position on the concept of evil is that it is self defeating. I.E. Gollums oath to Frodo. And similarly Melkor was made to be so powerful that he could weather the opposition of his greatness but not outlast it. His actions in Arda always lead to opposition from the Elves, Men and the Valar and though each time he endured, he also weakened. What am I saying? I’m saying if it were not for the actions of those such as Fingolfin, Turin, Earendil, and many more, Melkors greatness would not have fallen so far as to allow his ultimate defeat at the hands of the Host of the Valar. Every time Melkor tightened his grip, the more it loosened. Power doesn’t last forever.

@orrointhewise3913 Жыл бұрын

"This foe is beyond any of you." Why was he so powerful? The way I see it: pride He saw himself as greater than any other and so he was. His domain I believe is or would have been the mind. He could twist and manipulate many, just look at sauron and a dozens of Mair. If nothing else his domain and strength is darkness; the exact opposite of good and life. Evil begets evil. It grows and feeds on itself especially after a long period of time. However pride all to often comes before a fall 😏

@martinxvidxb Жыл бұрын

I would say it is the other way around. At first he was powerful beyond other beings (except Eru). That led him to pride. And pride led him to tyranny and evil. And eventually to a fall.

@Nancye68 5 ай бұрын

Loved the “sting” at the beginning. 😂Also…you have an awesome laugh.

@TheJmlew11 Жыл бұрын

Yoystan, just wanted to say thank you for your wonderful content. You have helped me dove so much deeper into Tolkien’s lore over the past year. I believe that Melkor was given power to use it for good, as I don’t think that Eru would have directly willed such evil. Eru certainly would permit it, but not directly intend it. That said Melkor’s lack of humility , most likely fueled by his vast power, is what we see lead to his fall from grace. One constant theme in Tolkien’s work is the importance of humility as a virtue. That said I would like to think that Melkor still had to make a choice. His virtue would have been far greater because of his power, yet he serves as an example for creation or the corruptive nature of pride and lust for power.

@dmdebruijn Жыл бұрын

Same here!

@paul0wen65 Жыл бұрын

Luthien put Melkor to sleep and even moved the heart of Mandos. He wasn't invincible. I'm surprised you didn't mention her in this video.

@JRgaming27 Жыл бұрын

Well, they couldn't kill him if that's what you're wondering. Destroy his flesh maybe but I'm sure he would come tight back.

@taidee Жыл бұрын

@@Reiman33 Well, you have to consider the fact that Luthien was half Elf and half Maia. Now in the common religions with Angels and demons and man, basically she would have been akin to a super Nephilim as she was born of something at angel level and an immortal of the original order of immortals. Her mother permanently hid their kingdom until such time that she decided to leave Middle Earth, that's some powerful Maia, so the kid was probably seriously OP herself. Very close to the Maiar/Istari who were later sent forth.

@doombunny0 Жыл бұрын

I believe that since Melkor is the Vala of Chaos and Destruction, he wouldn't co-operate or share power with other Vala, as it is just not in his nature. Because of this, he needed to be more powerful to balance against the united forces of Order and Good.

@YankeeTroubadour Жыл бұрын

I think in Tolkien's philosophy Melkor must have had a positive, benevolent role to play which he fell from, not originally intended as an evil. My sense is his positive role would have as a tester, a challenger, an accuser, but one who truly wishes to see the creations of others grow and flourish through the adversity. This would have meant he would have needed authority and power to put the ideas of the other Valar and the children of illuvatar through the gauntlet through which they would have come out stronger and better. I think you can see a shadow of this in the description of how he makes snow and steam through his challenges of water. He was intended as the coach, as the critic, who says 'thats a good start, but I will make you do more, do better'. In this view of him, he continues to play his intended role, even with his malice. He makes middle earth more heroic, more inspiring, less complacent. He cannot help but accomplish the ends of illuvatar. But he does it in a fallen, evil way, and that is the cause of real grief and tragedy, and necessitates great efforts to redeem what he brought down in his fall.

@bx0xd Жыл бұрын

I've always thought of Melkor's power to be that over the foundations of Arda. Manwe made the air and winds, Aule made the mountains, and Ulmo made the oceans. As each of them made the world, Melkor countered their works. By changing the foundations he created, he could spill the seas or tear down the mountains. It's also why his followers choose to be deep in the earth.

@KS-xk2so 11 ай бұрын

I did think there was a kind of Zeus, Poseidon, Hades feel to Manwe, Ulmo, and Melkor. Melkor feels like Tolkien's Hades in a sense.

@zagreus5773 4 ай бұрын

@@KS-xk2so What? Melkor is not at all like Hades. Maybe you mean Hades as he is portrayed in pop culture, which is as the devil? But the mythological Hades was completely different to Melkor, not even remotely similar. Hades was not evil or destroyed anything. He was pretty chill.

@KS-xk2so 4 ай бұрын

@@zagreus5773 Yeah honestly the Melkor to Hades comparison is the biggest stretch of the 3. I was meaning more in the pop culture view of Hades. I get why he's cast as the Devil, given he "rules the Underworld" which to the uninformed can sound like hell. Melkor really is more of a Lucifer expy than anything else.

@johns1625 Жыл бұрын

Morgoth had the power to change the fates of Arda because he shared in the gifts of the other Valar. So he has some of Mandos' powers over spirits and fates, and some of Lorien's powers over weaving fates and futures as well. The only power he had that the other Valar did not have was the ability to know and experience fear. And if you understand fear, you are capable of maliciousness. You can't have malice without understanding fear.

@Alexs.2599 Жыл бұрын

That was funny in the beginning Yoystan 😁Well enough said good night lol.

@MenoftheWest Жыл бұрын

😁

@melvinmolly4151 Жыл бұрын

BTW.. Melkor's original element was that of fire, and he name means to arise in might..

@bishop8000 Жыл бұрын

The explanation from Tolkien's essay 'Melkor Morgoth' in Morgoth's Ring is: "Melkor must be made far more powerful in original nature...(He [Melkor] was to make/devise/begin; Manwë (a little less great) was to improve, carry out, complete.)" As pointed out in the video, their relative statures switched as Melkor dispersed his power and because Manwë acted in accord with Ilúvatar's designs and was not diminished: "So that they came at last to Utumno itself and find ‘the Morgoth’ has no longer for the moment sufficient 'force' (in any sense) to shield himself from direct personal contact. Manwë at last faces Melkor again as he has not done since he entered Arda. Both are amazed: Manwë to perceive the decrease in Melkor as a person; Melkor to perceive this also from his own point of view: he now has less personal force than Manwë, and can no longer daunt him with his gaze." The out-of-universe explanation is that the bad guy has to be more powerful than the good guys in order for the conflict to feel epic and dangerous.

@sionat29 Жыл бұрын

The many different ideas for what Melkor's power or domain is speaks to the ambiguity of the story and why it's a great text. So much variation in opinions and philosophy is great. Personally, I always thought of Melkor's domain to be Change. Always unable to create, he is the the Valar of Change. From the moment of his creation, he brought change, and his greatest works were the changes in the Song. Melkor's voice of change in the Song forced change from even Eru with the counter-point themes and melodies, which was the creation of Arda, Elves, Men and the Ages. This continued upon his descent upon Arda once it was shown to the Valar, and his works of Change were wrought upon the face of the world, moving continents and disrupting/changing everything, upon the beings that lived there, and upon the Valar themselves. I always thought of the rest of the Valar as the opposition to change, how they want to conserve what they created and keep it that way everlasting, but Melkor's destiny was to force change upon them. This is similar to the Elves and how they continually want to keep everything the same and not want things to change, and they opposed Melkor the most, opposing Change. Men being short-lived and ever-Changing then became the most easily aligned with Melkor. The continuation of this being the eventual introduction of Technology over Magic as the driving force of the world (Elves fading and their magic with them and the Age of Men taking control of ME). Even the eventual proposed ending of the world, described as Melkor rising back up out of the Void through the Doors of Night, fighting with the Valar and being killed by Turin, brings about the final change to the world with the ending of the Song. The irony of the final Change being the equivalent to Arda being remade or mended back to what the Valar wanted to keep the world as before Melkor changed it, with the Silmarils being brought back and the Trees remade, the Valar turning young again to rule over their "Heaven" paradise, thus conserving their perfect realm in perpetuity, without Change, without Melkor's power in the world.

@dediprasetiawan5987 Жыл бұрын

It remind me the hidden purpose of The Oracle from The Matrix. Where The Architect purpose is to maintain status quo by balancing The Matrix equation, The Oracle sought to unbalance it in order to improve The Matrix into the next version. It was reflected from their last dialogue, The Architect states: "You played a very dangerous game." and The Oracle replied: "Change always is."

@JeanLoupRSmith Жыл бұрын

I've never read anything that suggested that Tolkien knew more than the average person about music but I like to think that he understood that what makes music truly interesting is that contrast between tension and release, or consonance and dissonance and I believe that Melkor was the embodiment of tension and dissonance in the Ainulindale. Sure Eru Iluvatar could have just made purely consonant music that drones on and on and never goes anywhere but this tension and release is what really gives movement to music and in my mind, without Melkor, the Valar would have been nothing more than just statues doing nothing of much interest. Melkor is the embodiment of darkness and chaos. There isn't really anyone quite like him in Greek, Egyptian or Norse mythology that comes to mind, Loki perhaps but not as an exact duplicate (I'd surmise Sauron is closer to Loki in character). I suppose as well, Tolkien being such a devout Christian he needed a satan-like deity in his pantheon.

@Makkaru112 Жыл бұрын

Tulkas enters the chat. Melkor becomes the biggest ninny on the planet

@jakealter5504 Жыл бұрын

Only because he was facing the valar on his own

@Makkaru112 Жыл бұрын

@@jakealter5504 please expand upon that. Sounds interesting.

@Makkaru112 Жыл бұрын

@xenomorph Tulkas the great equalizer. Wasn’t he also entering the world later on as well? Yeah… I’d say all of the Ainur were superconsciousnesses as they existed long before Eä was sung into being…. Forming and tending the world from within together.. like I’d imagine they aren’t ever stupid. They all have high level of intelligence and greater scope of things. Greater understandings.❤️❤️❤️❤️

@jakealter5504 Жыл бұрын

@@Makkaru112 before tulkas entered arda, melkor able to fight the valar on his own. Tulkas tipped the balance in favor of the valar

@Makkaru112 Жыл бұрын

@@jakealter5504 hence I said the great equalizer hehe. And Ainur came fresh from outside Eä so I’d imagine he still had access to his full Ainur power. Still though him alone could just wrestle melkor down and drag him away himself and he’d laugh handily most of the way through as melkor holds no chance to his righteous chains. ❤️❤️❤️

@abhijitpawar1568 Жыл бұрын

Great video! On a related note, I just had a thought for an interesting what-if video: What if Beren & Luthien stole all three Silmarils from Melkor?

@petteraven3761 Жыл бұрын

Very well done and insightful, as always! You didn't leave out much of import. Like others here have already said, I imagine that at least part Melkor's power owes to his complete lack of restraint. He is prideful and powerhungry to an extent that we humans cannot even relate to, and who knows, maybe that makes for a more powerful spirit? The other Valar, meanwhile, try to exercise restraint to limit any damage to the world, and also to avoid interfering with the lives and free will of Eru's children. Furthermore, Melkor is said to have part in all the different essences of the other Valar (except possibly Ulmo - Melkor and all his ilk hate and fear water). Possession of such a comprehensive understanding of reality and an unbending will to dominate it really would explain Melkor's power being greater than any but Eru himself. I wonder if all this can be interpreted as Melkor being an evil echo of Eru himself? As if all the negative traits which would be a natural part of a mortal are absent in Eru, but have instead taken the form of Melkor? This is all very philosophical and speculative, of course, and built around the supposition that Good cannot exist without Evil.

@mythologicalaccords Жыл бұрын

Theory - One of the first domains of Melkor can be explained in the Five Suns of Aztec Mythology: The First Sun - "To give light, they (Presumably the Valar) needed a god to become the sun and the Black Tezcatlipoca (Melkor) was chosen, but either because he had lost a leg or because he was god of the night, he only managed to become half a sun (Black Dwarf). The world (Consciousness) continued on in this way for some time, but a sibling rivalry grew between Quetzalcoatl (Mairon) and his brother the mighty sun, who Quetzalcoatl (Mairon whose name means Admirable is Supernova) knocked from the sky with a stone club (First Supernova explosion causing Melkor to collapse into a Primordial Black Hole). With no sun, the world (Consciousness) was totally black and in his anger, Tezcatlipoca commanded his jaguars (Demons) to eat all the people."

@SunnyLovetts Жыл бұрын

Great video, I would love to see a history of the Old Forest one day btw, still haven’t seen one! :)

@Makkaru112 Жыл бұрын

Pair this with the deep dive into Nienna GirlNextGondor has done recently. She shows stuff that’s beyond just the typical KZfaq video about her. She has major connections to the world that comes in the song that includes all the Children Of Îlluvatar etc.

@SunnyLovetts Жыл бұрын

Epic content! Tolkien fan art is always so impressive! In my opinion Melkor is definitely the most evil villain in fantasy!

@Makkaru112 Жыл бұрын

Difference between fantasy and mythology, heck even fae story.

@Makkaru112 Жыл бұрын

He was writing in a way that was reviving ancient knowledge back to the Anglo Saxons for whom was devastated by the rising empires at the time. That and shine light upon Finnish Kalevala(s), Norse Elder Edda and even point to the Irish/German Tuatha De Danaan.

@SunnyLovetts Жыл бұрын

@@Makkaru112 You are right, Tolkien’s universe is more like a mythology, fantasy doesn’t do it justice haha :)

@Makkaru112 Жыл бұрын

@@SunnyLovetts the man was more brilliant than some give credit for. There is a reason true Tolkien fans are different from anyone else! There’s a rooted and groundedness to us but also a spiritual connection to everything around and containing a spark to learn and travel with an open mind. ❤❤❤❤

@LordBalin Жыл бұрын

And the most petty

@Alexs.2599 Жыл бұрын

I think Yoystan you explained it perfectly. Eru allowed for Melkor to be this way so Arda would have that balance between good and evil. Knowing in the end good would triumph over evil despite all the suffering over the long long ages.

@ghostdreamer7272 Жыл бұрын

I think Melkor was quite explicitly stated in the Silmarillion to be the Vala of hot and cold, the extremes of temperature. And that affects all other things, which is why Melkor is also said to have had a piece of influence over all of the other Valars' gifts. @Men of the West

@akselm.bjerke9490 Жыл бұрын

It is important not to view Melkor as inevitably evil and as such explain everything from that perspective. If we respect the fundamental aspect of free will in the Silmarillion, we have to maintain the possibility of Melkor not going bad. Thus he was not made purely to be the bad guy, to be the contestant of the valar or to make light shine in his darkness and drive the Children to greatness.

@Bavido4 Жыл бұрын

Yes!!!

@mauramahon7685 Жыл бұрын

Excellent video, Yoystan. It's amazing how you were able to answer such a question in only two minutes. All jokes aside, I really appreciate how much you research each topic and how you throughly explain it. I'm going to a LOTR trivia night on March 3rd, so I'm sure your videos will be a great help.

@hazbojangles2681 Жыл бұрын

Really enjoying your content as always Yoystan. I have decided to upgrade my channel membership to support you further.

@calebowen2006 Жыл бұрын

I think it is also important to point out that he was given power over all aspects of Eru. He was the 2nd greatest in all crafts only to each of the valars domains

@kitamibu Жыл бұрын

I could listen to you talk about the Legendarium for hours. You really are great at bringing Tolkien to life, in my mind. Thank you!

@thebrotherskrynn Жыл бұрын

I agree with the fellow who said that Tolkien & Eru understood that you cannot have good without evil nor could you have greatness without sorrow or hardship. With that said, I think that in regards to Eru Iluvatar, he did not originally plan for Melkor's fall from grace, but rather he created him wholly independent just as he had all others and left his creations to do as they pleased. Because Eru had no wish to create mini-clones of himself but rather 'children' so to speak, kids that he could dote upon and have leave the house that they may make something of themselves. The trouble was that that something in Melkor's case was a really messed up, psychotic bundle of wicked desires.

@hoo7797 Жыл бұрын

My theory is that, while Melkor served the purpose of posing a challenge to the other Ainur and the Free Peoples, thus bettering them through hardship, he wasn't made to be the embodiment of evil. Given a passage in the Silmarillion where it's stated that Men remind Manwë of Melkor, I believe he was made as a "lesser version" of Eru, in that he could affect and control anything, and had full reign over his mind so that he could forge his own way and personality, but not create from nothing like Eru, and to some extent like the other Valar who shaped Arda (example, Yavanna made the wildlife, but Melkor could only manipulate that which already existed; at least that's what I understand); in this way, he's kinda similar to Men, in that he's not explicitly meant to be anything, but instead forges his own life through his own deeds and choices. I believe Eru knew, by intuition, that giving such freedom to Melkor would most likely result in him becoming evil and bringing chaos and destruction, but since there was a chance he turned to good, or that even through conflict there were moments of harmony, he decided to give Melkor a chance anyway, and made him more powerful than the rest of the Valar; if he became good, I believe he would have been the Elder King instead of Manwë, and having the power to manipulate everything his peers made, he could revert their wrongs to some degree, as even though the other Valar are aligned to good, they still have their flaws, and evil would arise anyway, since all living creatures would have at least some degree of freedom. Basically, even though he served as a challenge to strengthen the forces of good and "temper" them, I think Eru still allowed for Melkor to become a powerful force of good and serve as an example of how a proper leader manages great power, and how he should listen and take counsel from his peers, even if his own might is immense already.

@Mark723 Жыл бұрын

Is Tulkas your Boy because Big Bad Buff Boys think alike and bond together...? Well thought through with sound reasoning - another brilliant video. Much appreciated.

@Comicnut64 Жыл бұрын

Digging this new type of video Yoystan keep it up

@Makkaru112 Жыл бұрын

This one goes very well to the deep dive into Nienna nobody has ever seen before on GirlNextGondor channel!

@orangexlightning Жыл бұрын

1:00 Had a really rough week, the laugh this gave was sorely needed.

@Gamer8585 Жыл бұрын

Eru: *Looks over Creation at the Dawn of Time* You know what the universe needs...A raid boss. Yes, this is clearly a good idea with absolutely no downside.

@MenoftheWest Жыл бұрын

LOL

@floriangeyer1886 Жыл бұрын

Eru Iluvatar had his reasons.

@madambutterfly1997 Жыл бұрын

Eru is basically old testament God, meaning, he has an exceedingly dark sense of humor

@Makkaru112 Жыл бұрын

He’s basically beyond all that to be the AllFather. The great father. The great mother. The great grandmother. The great grandfather. There wouldn’t be free will and nothing beautiful would come of it. The second forming of the world after dagor dagortath is shown in depth by GirlNextGondor deep dive into nienna. More than the average video someone makes about her” Remember “look at what YOU created” Eru didn’t say “ look at what I created”. They are extensions of him of which he studies and learns about himself more and more. Through the elves and men too. Especially the men.

@dominushydra Жыл бұрын

Tolkien states that Melkor had a portion of each of Ainurs power. Not a mastery over any but a portion of all like a jack of all trades. I theorize Melkor's original purpose was to be a mediator or High Administrator of all the Ainur to help guide them because he could understand each one. Which he took obviously too far and sought domination instead of being helpful.

@BossGaming-vg6zh Жыл бұрын

Melkor is such a fascinating and amazing villain. Having such a complex world fighting against a literal god on arda is amazing

@deadbrother5355 Жыл бұрын

Melkor is one of the more allegorical elements of the story in my mind. Because even beings created from beauty, light, and song- when given free will some will choose evil, discord, destruction and tyranny. This illustrates why men cannot ever achieve a utopian society. There will always be the choice, and the seductive pull toward darkness. And some will inevitably fall towards it. The only peace we can enjoy is a vigilant and watchful peace. Lest we fall into tyranny.

@bohdanvakulenko4266 6 ай бұрын

Don’t worry soon man won’t hold dominion of this world.

@adamjones4989 Жыл бұрын

I had always thought that he was made stronger and given a part of each's talent, so he could take over their works when the Powers should need rest. The Vala do tire and require rest after a long while of labor, so it made sense to me that Eru would enable him to take over for them or help in their works. And this is also why he would become twisted. He was the ultimate temp worker, but he wanted to be worshiped and rule. Ever one of the Powers had their domain but he was to go forth when needed. WHEN CALLED. And that would gnaw at him, the most talented and powerful of all.

@Bavido4 Жыл бұрын

I can't remember where I read it, but didn't Tolkien say, when discussing the brotherhood of Manwe and Melkor, that Melkor was mightier because he was ment to begin things and set them up and Manwe was ment to perfect them? When Ulmo spoke to Eru Ilúvatar about snowflakes, it was in response to how Melkor's evil (cold) was being used by Ilúvatar to make greater beauty. I think this lends nicely to the idea that Melkor's domain was temperature. However, it's explicitly stated that Melkor had a part in all the gifts of his brethren, so it might be correct to say he didn't have a domain like all the rest but that the whole world was his to build and work. It seems obvious to me that Melkor's greatest work was the dragons, so it stands to reason that his gift should have been used in creating great beast for the Children of Ilúvatar to rule over. He's other great works are mountains, but that seems to be more a work of great power than great craftsmanship.

@efpara1768 Жыл бұрын

I've thought of his domain as the tectonic forces that shaped Arda based on the descriptions of heat and cold. He sounds like a mountain cast on to the world. Also his associations with volcanoes, mountains, but also the dark places under the earth. These forces can create or destroy through building, shaping, or rending the landscape. His followers were creative and his troops were often fiery or rock-like. His domain was like those of the smiths, but larger and more raw

@beatleblev Жыл бұрын

Melkor was to be the beginner/genius. Melkor starts the project of Ea with his mix of talents and insight into the overall shape of Arda. Manwe, project manager and the guy with the line to Eru should anything go amiss, organizes and implements his big bro's designs. But, Melkor, being Melkor, threw away the script and started handing out sheet music for, "Paint it Black." When the rest of the Valar refused his all red and black color scheme demiurge tantrums ensued and the orderly symmetrical creation of Arda turned into a pyrrhic battle of powers. Melkor's rebellion also stripped him of his team of experts in the different aspects of creation and the role of the entire Valar landed on the shoulders of Sauron, to come behind his master and put in the work while Melkor went downstairs to brood and plot. The Valar, on the other hand, used collaboration to offset the loss of their idea man. Following the example of Manwe and Varda, the Valar found that combining their efforts and using their creative powers in harmony more than made up for the loss of the one who fell and made himself the Enemy of his maker.

@dmdebruijn Жыл бұрын

This is so great. I don’t know where the nicknames yoystan and “royon” come from, but whoever they are, these vids are great.

@fightingfalcon777 Жыл бұрын

I think this in and of itself also raises an interesting philosophical question as to if Eru is truly good, because it seems unfair then to Melkor that he was basically crafted to be the ultimate evil just so EVERYONE ELSE could be the best versions of themselves; he was basically built to be the worst of the worst to make everyone potentially be their best

@Makkaru112 Жыл бұрын

Many comments and the subsequent conversations below each comment answer this question rather deeply.

@AntonSmirnov87 Жыл бұрын

I think of Melkor as embodying the concept of entropy. The riddle in the Hobbit exemplifies him well: This thing all things devours, Birds, beasts, trees, and flowers. Gnaws iron bites steel, Grinds hard stones to meal, Slays king, ruins town, And beats high mountain down.

@AntonSmirnov87 Жыл бұрын

Also the three elven rings' power being primarily to hold back the de-mystification of the world and Valinor, the antithesis of Melkor, being described as timeless and unchanging is apropos.

@kirtmanwaring3629 Жыл бұрын

I can't quite remember the source but Tolkien did say that Melkor’s original job would have been to originate, form and design. Manwe was supposed to refine and improve upon Melkor’s raw original talent with his superior understanding but the two were meant to work together and compliment each other. Of course Eru knew that would go awry and used the conflict to make an even greater music but that was the original reason Melkor was so powerful.

@valaraukar_595 Жыл бұрын

This is the answer. Melkor the intiator, Manwë the mediator, and all the other Valar building upon their ideas.

@helenwhs Жыл бұрын

Morgoth's Ring, I think.

@GuyUnderTheBridge Жыл бұрын

All I can think that Eru wanted Melkor to "spice up" Arda, and Melkor had to be strong enough to oppose all the other Valar. It seems "evil" to us, the agents to be seasoned but the seasoned end product was wonderful to Eru.

@sainiharika Жыл бұрын

Omg u r hilarious 😂 the way you started 😆😆😆 great analysis ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

@knurled1 Жыл бұрын

Melkor is entropy personified.

@rebeccalyn9908 Жыл бұрын

This was an incredible video and take on Melkor/Morgoth. Especially the idea that Melkor was specifically created by Erü to be chaos.

@marionbaggins Жыл бұрын

Man Mellon your fake-out Ending a Video early gets me every time!!! But Eru did make him the Strongest of the Valar in Mind... But Also, I wanna see Melkor thrown down by *Your Boy* Tulkas, Give it to me Tolkien...I wanna see it!!!! Thanks, Mellon for Why was Melkor so Powerful? (Even Among Valar), Until Why was Sauron changed in the Films and made into a Giant Eye...Marion Baggins Out!!!

@marionbaggins Жыл бұрын

Also: Melkor: I fear no man, but That Thing... *Shows Tulkas* It's Scares Me!!!

@Pulivari124 10 ай бұрын

I feel like Eru Iluvitar made Melkor just like he is and was. But once he started messing with the children of Iluvitar, Melkor crossed the line.

@stimpsonjcat67 Жыл бұрын

Loved the head-fake, Yoys.

@asuras1231 9 ай бұрын

always love to hear more of the lore of lotr

@franconnorton7087 10 ай бұрын

Melkors Power was the Heat and Cold. Eru even says to Ulmo how the heats of Melkor makes the clouds that bring him closer to Manwe. Or how his Cold has made the bueaty of the snowflake.

@TheMuskokaman Жыл бұрын

"To Melkor among the Ainur had been given the greatest gifts of power and knowledge, and he had a share in all the gifts of his brethren." I see him as the necessary embodiment of the antithetical. To hold a share of all the powers of his brethren he must be mightier than all others, yet might alone is not enough to create for either those who wield it, or those whom seek it. Each has their measure of secret fire & their creations are as dissolutions of themselves with none holding paramountcy over it's progenitor. "Then Ilúvatar spoke, and he said: ‘Mighty are the Ainur, and mightiest among them is Melkor; but that he may know, and all the Ainur, that I am Ilúvatar, those things that ye have sung, I will show them forth, that ye may see what ye have done. And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined.’ "‘Behold your Music! This is your minstrelsy; and each of you shall find contained herein, amid the design that I set before you, all those things which it may seem that he himself devised or added. And thou, Melkor, wilt discover all the secret thoughts of thy mind, and wilt perceive that they are but a part of the whole and tributary to its glory.’ That time during the clone wars when Yoda channeled Ilúvatar "With the dark side powerful you have become, yes, but much to learn you still have"😁

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@corpsedesecrator2612 Жыл бұрын

It actually makes sense Melkor/Morgoth was the solo agent of Evil among the Valar in that case he had to be more powerful and thus the second mightiest behind Eru Illuvatar would naturally lust for Power seeking The Flame Imperishable something he could not have and had he not rebelled against Eru, he might have been the King of the Valar the spot as we know Manwë got for being the purest and most true to Eru’s will. But the poetry I fancy is that we see this reflects on the constant turmoil the Free Beings of Middle Earth would face through the Ages always in conflicts and turmoil where the odds are stacked against them whether an overwhelming number of Orcs charge a city few in numbers of Men or Elves to defend it, mighty beings like Balrogs and Dragons turn the tide of battle to Morgoth’s favor, broken Alliances whom refuses to give aid to those fighting against Morgoth or Sauron’s Forces, or beings particularly Men some Elves choosing to betray their own for power and evil the temptations of Morgoth’s whisper etc, the conflict the Free People face wasn’t a cake walk many characters go through character development from putting rivalries aside and forming alliances to fight the greater evil so it teaches us the power of unity can turn the tides to your favor against even the most mightiest of threats when all else seems hopeless and impossible to triumph over.

@dhgodzilla1 Жыл бұрын

Too many are sitting there waiting for a Gandolf the White figure to ride over the Horizon & save us from the Worlds Evil, but they have failed to realize they ARE the Gandolf or Aragorn in their story. Dont wait to be saved, the saving is on us as good people

@Makkaru112 Жыл бұрын

Everyone BE a SAM

@Onslaught17 5 ай бұрын

Now imagine how powerful this makes Ungoliant. Because she terrified him.

@gene108 Жыл бұрын

I don’t think Melkor was inherently meant to be an evil chaos agent. Before the Song of Ainur and the creation of Ëa, Illuvatar gifted Melkor with part of the powers of the other Valar. Melkor was co-equal with Manwë as the two mightest Valar. Yet one things seems clear, all the beings of Eru’s creation have free will to do good or evil. What Eru did during the Song of the Ainur, seems to be able to harmonize the discord of Melkor within his creation. I think deep within the Themes of the Song, the “bones” of Middle Earth are filled with Eru’s synthesis of the Song of the Ainur, where beauty can come from discord, like Melkor’s fiery brash tunes boiling the waters of Ulmo to create clouds that join Manwë and Ulmo, to their delight. Every being on Middle Earth, from the Valar and Maiar to the Children of Illuvatar, does not see the whole of Time. They make decisions, for better or worse, based on their free will from Manwë paroling Melkor from imprisonment to Isuldir keeping Sauron’s ring. From Melkor’s POV, I think, he felt none of the other Ainur thought as much about creation as he did, so why should he have to share the world with them? Why should his brothers and sisters sing their themes uninterrupted? He struggled going into the Void searching for the Flame Imperishable before the Song, while the other Valar sat as docile children at Eru’s feet. He was the one who spent uncounted ages thinking about creation. Yet Eru gives all his childlike brothers and sisters the same chance to contribute to creation as him. Very unfair. And the spark of jealousy sprung to a blaze during the Song, changing Melkor and the fate of Arda. I don’t think it was pre-ordained by Eru that Melkor had to be evil for good to shine in the world, but rather the ability for Middle Earth to have good overcome evil is woven into the fabric of world Eru made.

@ThatKid22101 Жыл бұрын

I think Melkor was created with the parts of Eru that revolved around the desire to create and achieve great and long spanning goals, this is where Melkors power comes from, his ability to plan long term, to be methodical and creative in how he goes about achieving his goal. The other Valars power seems to manifest in more physical and spiritual ways, Melkors power is that of the mind, it's capability to manipulate the physical, connect to the spiritual and plan for the long term. Melkor inherited Eru's mind, hence why one Valar isn't strong enough to defeat Melkor, all the other parts of Eru need to work together to defeat him and even that is a struggle because the mind, is a powerful thing. This is how Melkor is so easily able to manipulate and warp other creatures, he dominates their minds and Sauron works in the same way, heck the rings he creates are basically the physical representation of that power. The mind shapes reality, it can control the physical aspects of reality through the body and it can shape the spiritual through its ability to imagine. This was why Melkor desired the spark of creation, he had the imagination, he had the power to affect the physical but he lacked a piece of Eru that allowed him to create life. If he had the power to create life, he would be an equal to Eru, the Valar combined would not have stood a chance.

@Bhoddisatva Жыл бұрын

I sometimes wonder if Melkor wasnt simply performing the duty asked of him by Eru in the beginning to fulfil Arda in all aspects. That he will shed his evil to rejoin the Light afterwards.

@milosstojakovic7586 Жыл бұрын

Nice prank at the start :) Great video overall!

@deejayxcrypt Жыл бұрын

*Melkor* was one of the most important creations in *Eru’s* grand design. The “counter pressure for a complete and perfect world”. The so-called “free peoples” of Arda did not have to fight each other, because they had a “devil” do fight against directly. Though, the devil also affected the free peoples to do “devils work” as well.

@ice4cow Жыл бұрын

Dragons can't be just extensions of Melkor, but must be twisted from some creatures with free will, as Melkor was angry at Glaurung when he first came out still young and was wounded in battle. Additionally, if they would be just automatons created and moved by Melkor, I don't think they would move and think when Melkor was banished from Earth to the Timeless Void.

@cm275 Жыл бұрын

Dragons have to have some sense of free will as Smaug converses with Bilbo and isn’t just a ravenous beast as dragons are so often portrayed.

@fenrir-art4742 Жыл бұрын

He was so mighty, a dragon had to grow much bigger to please him.

@KipIngram Жыл бұрын

Well, if you step back and look at things in a really big picture sense, you can come up with something better. Here's the thing: Eru could have made things any way he wanted. He could have chosen to not include Melkor in the Ainur at all. But he did include him. So we can presume that it was Eru's *plan* to have an unfolding much the way things unfolded. Of course, if Eru had made an Arda that remained unmarred, we wouldn't have a story. But even in universe you can imagine that Eru had a reason for his children to have the set of experiences that they did, and one very plausible reason is that he was looking at the end game already: the Second Music. He wants the Second Music and the rebuilding of Arda to be all that it can possibly be, and perhaps that *required* that the Children pass through a phase of hardship and strife. Looked at that way, Melkor's "purpose" was to do exactly what he did: to become "the Adversary" that the Children and the Valar had to overcome. The text also makes it sound like Melkor, more than the others, had more diverse understanding of Eru's mind. Each of the Valar understood some part of Eru's mind, but Melkor "had a part" of all of their understandings, *and* he was stated to be "the most powerful." Therefore, while the Valar were made to fulfill a purpose that they accomplished working together, Melkor was made to fulfill a purpose single-handedly, and he was given the understanding and the power to accomplish that.

@jankokomodo 8 ай бұрын

Spells came from his ability to shape like on the beginning when he sung

@Liquidsback Жыл бұрын

Because evil can be overwhelming in its might, to bring the free peoples to fright.

@Makkaru112 Жыл бұрын

Fight or fright ?

@Liquidsback Жыл бұрын

@@Makkaru112 Regarding Melkor? Yes.

@Makkaru112 Жыл бұрын

@@Liquidsback to bring the free people to fight ? Sounds more accurate. Fright just looked like a typo to me. Lol. Sorry.

@kaidorade1317 Жыл бұрын

He rolled for initiative and had excellent stats!

@Dr_Cole Жыл бұрын

Given this video and the related video on Sauron’s power, it would be great to see a similar video on Eru. I feel like I know the least of him.

@helenwhs Жыл бұрын

Eru's relationship to Arda is basically a writer's relationship to their created story.

@Swatta637 Жыл бұрын

This was awesome. Why Melkor, the Valar and manifestation of power and might itself was created - and knowingly, would be evil - well, that's a fundamentally a religious question. It has many of the same tones as "Why does God allow suffering" (I've seen asked in "Why did the other Valar not get involved directly in stopping Morgoth in the war of the jewels?" or "Why would God create bad", etc... Great questions. It's one of the many reasons Tolkien's work is so profound!

@Makkaru112 Жыл бұрын

They did and it ripped the world apart long before beleriand existed. Then again which became war of wrath. Now you have half of middle earth sunk into the sea…. That’s why they don’t. Which is also why Gandalf stated what would happen with the ring and also without the ring if he willingly let loose the power of the Maiar within him as two Maiar clashing would bring devastation….

@Swatta637 Жыл бұрын

@@Makkaru112 Yup! I think the Silmarillion states that it sowed discord into reality from the first awakening. Yeah, great observation on Gandalf. Personally, I love that Gandalf did not manifest 'raw material' power, but rather (like Manwe), led through nobility and courage. He brought out in others the courage and valor within. I saw a comment on another video recently that asked why Manwe never 'directly' got involved in the War of the Jewels, and following questions like "Why didn't the Valar just go to middle-earth and capture Sauron?" Things like this. Of course, the Valar could have easily stopped Sauron. But why they didn't directly get involved, so to say - in my opinion it's a very religious sentiment. We know Ulmo got directly involved. Manwe and Varda could also see all from mount Tanequitil, so it's not as if they were ignorant. Varda gave the world stars, and Manwe sent his eagles to aid the eldar and so on. Mandos distilled his prophecy of doom to the Noldor. Anyways, in a nutshell, it's a deeply and profound question, that brought to its highest form is simply "Why does God allow evil to exist?". Personally, the best answer I've found to that question was in some Catholic literature I recently heard, that said something like, God, simply out of goodness, created a universe simply so that others could partake in his beauty. Anyways, I love Tolkein's writings for this.

@webmasterhamburg Жыл бұрын

Tulkas my boi 😆 regarding the problem of evil, we wouldn't have a struggle without an evil / opposing force, we wouldn't value health and life without the reality of illness and death.

@xyo224 10 ай бұрын

Man, you should’ve left that as like a 35 second video.awesome!!😂😂😂

@venkelos6996 Жыл бұрын

So, I'm going to ramble, and the Elves, by their very nature, might go against this, but could Melkor have simply been the force of change? The Valar sang, buy their verses weren't everlasting; they reached an end, and retired to a comfortable spot to enjoy the lands they had sung into being. Eru created the world, but it wasn't meant to be a static sculpture of a single moment of perfection, but neither did He plan to ever hammer, and chisel, at it. Thus, for the world to have change, and growth, perhaps initially that was Melkor's purpose? People want to improve themselves, and harness things around them to their own control, but with Melkor being more powerful, change and dynamism would remain in the world, and ever would the other people evolve, and grow further. I don't want this to sound like it downplays the severity of Morgoth's actions, as he was evil, or at least did seem evil as people define it against the "good" they prefer, and one might even say Morgoth fought against himself, as he both wanted to harness, and shape things in his own scheme, yet forced change into the world, to prevent stasis and stagnation, but from an outside perspective, as one who wasn't harmed by his actions, or simply acted to remove him, implying these acts served a greater purpose, maybe he was the force of living change in the world; what made it more than a painting, or sculpture, and allowed it to live, grow, and improve, though by forcing the beings who would rather find a comfortable position to just ride it out to still adapt, grow, and change.

@BrianEthridge-wk6hz 10 ай бұрын

Hey brother! I'm a bodybuilder myself I also have two black belts in martial arts and been studying for well over forty years. I myself have seen much evil in the world. The single factor that makes the most difference to me it's time this and mercy of any form. I've been blessed that I've never been able to be taken out single-handedly or even five on one I've beaten the hell out of so many people and it tried to do it to others that God bless me that I was never taken out in my career not even once. I like to think myself is your favorite Valar Tolkas!!!! There been plenty of guys with more power than me but none of them have been able to take me one-on-one not even once!!!! But you know what in the long run I can't say I won except for the physical altercation myself.. the bad guys never cease to exist!!! That is one of the single worst tortures I've ever had is knowing I can take almost any man but you know what it doesn't really matter in the long run unless I kill them!! They never truly killed melkor and next command like sauron are always going to exist. I guess it's true what they say life does mimic art..

@soup_doctor Жыл бұрын

I think Melkor's domain was to be Eru's domain, but smaller. I think he was supposed to rule as Elder King had he not turned evil. The ainur are born from Eru's thoughts and are skilled in the part of Eru's mind they know best. Melkor shared in the gifts of all the ainur. That means he was born not from 1 part of Eru's mind but all of them. He was basically a mini-Eru. He just lacked the wisdom needed. But his Eru-like nature meant it was his nature to be god and rule over all. He just couldn't reconcile that with the fact that his power and might and sovereign rule would never be perfect, being a mini-Eru

@soup_doctor Жыл бұрын

Case in point, of all the ainur Melkor was the only one to desire to make sentient life at first. Which is what Eru did. None of the others thought to do that. His inability to do that - inability to complete his nature - led to his downfall.

@stephensmith3111 Жыл бұрын

"I absolutely believe that people are more good on balance than bad," [Holden] said. "All the wars and all of the cruelty and all of the violence, I'm not looking away from any of that, and I still think there's something beautiful about being what we are. History is soaked in blood. The future probably will be too. But for every atrocity, there's a thousand small kindnesses that no one noticed. A hundred people who spent their lives loving and caring for each other. A few moments of real grace. Maybe it's only a little more good than bad in us, but . . ." -- Daniel Abraham and Ty Frank, a.k.a. James S. A, Corey, 2021: "Leviathan Falls" I realize that this drifts from the metaphysical topic of this video, but it does deal the nature of good and evil from my current second favorite authors after J. R. R. Tolkien.

@shanenolan5625 Жыл бұрын

Thanks .

@dudermcdudeface3674 8 ай бұрын

Melkor's domain was in separating things into destructive extremes. Aule, whose power he was related to, was concerned with the slow transformations of minerals into gems and metals. Melkor was a being of violence, concerned with the extreme interposition of hot and cold. That which he legitimately created was a product of violence. And that which he ultimately became was a being who illegitimately created other products of violence in defiance of Iuvatar.

@eyeofgnosis558 Жыл бұрын

I've always seen the Vala as aspects of Eru which were to created to expand Eru's self through existing as individual beings. In this sense Melkor was not evil in creation, but was the aspect that represented Eru's might, ruling power, will and change, and perhaps he was intended to be balanced by the other Vala just as the aspects they represented balanced the Melkor aspect within Eru.

@eyeofgnosis558 Жыл бұрын

Or to use the orchestra analogy for Eru, Melkor was the conductor aspect :)

@oviekpolugbo4227 Жыл бұрын

I also wondered long about Melkor's domain before his evil transpired. I thought that it was fire. The are some references in The Silmarilion about "spirits of fire" when referring to some Maiar, like the Balrogs. There's a line about Arien being one of the spirits of fire who did not become a Balrog, the implication seemingly that these fire-types were the people of Melkor. However, I think I may have been reading into it too much. It's often said that Melkor had a share of everyone's talents, and that his talents were most like Aule, so maybe he didn't really have a domain, or it's something Tolkien over-looked.

@whiteknightcat Жыл бұрын

This was almost the shortest MOTW video ever.

@jeffreyfrye1811 Жыл бұрын

This made it so weird that Sauron would join himself to Melkor. They are opposites. Melkor, as you said, is an agent of Chaos where as Mairon, from his service to Aulé, was bound by abdolute Order, even if it were his own order.

@DraconimLt Жыл бұрын

The dragons had to have will and life of their own though, because Glaurung issues forth against Melkor's wishes, and Smaug and others are alive and making their own decisions after his fall. I think it's more likely they already existed in some form and were *made into* the dragons as we know of them.

@glennross85 Жыл бұрын

Im paraphrasing something said by someone else ,but basically "Being good is easy when there is no tempation of evil". In order to prove true virtue one must be tested.

@lopirobinson1991 Жыл бұрын

No matter how much light there is, life will bring shadow and darkness. But darkness is entirely self-sustaining and the oldest of things.

@albertcapley6894 Жыл бұрын

If all of creation is the song of Eru, my first impressions of Melikor are that he is the dissonance in the song, but! All signs point towards this as a misunderstanding on my part; Melikor is in fact the cadence, the space in-between notes, that which must be present for music to be distinguishable from noise, and yet without music cadence becomes mere silence... The more he becomes Morgoth the less presence he has, for his silence is spread throughout the music, but eventually the song will end, and Morgoth escapes and presumably destroys all, and here we see the final silence at the end of a performance of the song. Dissonance might be Sauron, but Melikor is cadence. I hope this makes sense, as watching this vid is what inspired me to make this connection.

@jacobward3952 Жыл бұрын

I always got the impression that the reason melkor is so powerful is because he limited how much of himself he contributed the "the song" that ultimately created the world and where he and the valar went to manage EA's design for the world. The other valar and EA didn't hold back, they poured more of themselves into the effort and result, leaving them weaker by comparison. What melkor did put into the effort was design to be counter-point to the rest. Likely done because of the amount of time he spent alone in the void (isolation is wont to make one more selfish and stew on things rather and resolving them)

@Neenerella333 Жыл бұрын

Eru played favorites. He didn't seem as concerned with how powerful his favorite became, nor with the chaos and pain Melkor caused with his extra power. Not enough to stop him anyways.