How a terrible coincidence brought down this Aircraft

How a terrible coincidence brought down this Aircraft | Tarom flight 371

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On the 31st of March 1995, Tarom airlines flight 371 took off from Bucharest international Airport with destination Brussels, Belgium. Less than 2 minutes after departure the aircraft crashed into a field killing al 49 passengers and 11 crew members. The only technical issue found on the aircraft had to do with the Auto Thrust system but that was a fairly minor problem. What caused this aircraft to crash?
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Below you will find the links to videos and sources used in this episode. Enjoy checking them out!
Pan-Am A310: @Tim Rees
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Delta Airlines A310: @Torsten Maiwald
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Tarom A310: @Philip Lueger
en.airlinestravel.ro/aircraft...
Throttle Schematic: @sim-on-a320.com
sim-on-a320.com/blog/2015/12/...
Cockpit Mechanic: @fltechnics.com
fltechnics.com/wp-content/upl...
Cockpit Mechanic: @sabenatechnics.com
www.sabenatechnics.com/wp-con...
Crash 1: @aviation24.be
www.aviation24.be/airlines/ta...
Crash 2: @aviation-accidents.net
www.aviation-accidents.net/ta...
Crash 3: @UNKNOWN
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Crash 6: @ Calin Pirlog
lh5.googleusercontent.com/p/A...
Crash 7: @ Calin Pirlog
lh5.googleusercontent.com/p/A...
IL-18: @Aldo Bidini
www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q521597...
IL-62: @Gerhard Plomitzer
travelupdate.com/wp-content/u...
PFD: @UNKNOWN
aerotask.de/wp-content/upload...
Crossair Flight: @Aero Icarus
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossai...
Crossair Crash: @tailstrike.com
www.tailstrike.com/100100.htm
Throttles: @Getty Images
i.pinimg.com/originals/d7/9f/...
A310 Cockpit: @Alex Beltyukov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_...
A310 Cockpit: @ Manuel Marin
www.aviationcorner.net/public/...
Tarom A310: @Tarom
www.tarom.ro/sites/default/fi...
Pilot Trianing 1: @Lufthansa
www.flightglobal.com/airlines...
Pilot Training 2: @Lufthansa
www.lufthansa-aviation-traini...
Chapters
00:00 - Intro
01:01 - Chapter 1: An Ongoing Issue
04:47 - Chapter 2: The Flight Crew
05:33 - Chapter 3: Flight Overview
07:29 - Chapter 4: Takeoff Clearance
17:54 - Chapter 5: The Crash
18:32 - Chapter 6: The Aftermath
19:39 - Chapter 7: The Investigation Begins
21:09 - Exclusive SKILLSHARE OFFER!
22:26 - Chapter 8: Final Report
24:27 - Chapter 9: An Interesting Find
27:10 - The Final Chapter: Learning Outcomes
28:57 - Discord Server
29:56 - Outro

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@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын

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@sonquatsch8585 3 жыл бұрын

are you swedish?

@rezzy851 3 жыл бұрын

i want to ask is it possible a pilot flying to monitor the main display,the throttle levers,the flaps and landing gear from time to time from take off to 10 000ft at least...i seems to be possible to look for a second fot the problematic thrust levers at least...i used to drive very old and broken cars a lot and when you drive broken machine you FOCUS on the problematic component...why the FO didnt look at the levers...why he never tryied to counter the bank angle...what was he doing?man i am angry...this is not supposed to happen...r.i.p.

@lxdimension 3 жыл бұрын

Great video, but just a couple of questions seem unanswered. Why was there not a bank angle warning? Was that considered lower priority than the auto pilot disconnect warning also? And did the first officer actually put in any control inputs at all to try correct the situation other than the one which deactivated the auto pilot? Do we even know what those inputs were?

@karthikbudaraju9125 3 жыл бұрын

Please make a video about PAN AM and KLM flight incident on the runway

@DidivsIvlianvs 3 жыл бұрын

Your left eyelid droops? Didn't notice this before.

@user-ww5zh4zx3i Жыл бұрын

Cristian Stoi, the son of the FO of Tarom 371 that crashed near Bucharest, is now a pilot (captain) for Tarom. Cristian decided to become a pilot after his father crashed with ROT 371.

@gabrielpetcu5502 Жыл бұрын

Really??

@jennaeveliina313 11 ай бұрын

Ive always thought these things are weird.. If my mom drowned in a ship that sank, i sure as hell would not go anywhere near ships..

@raerohan4241 10 ай бұрын

@@jennaeveliina313 Same, but perhaps some people feel like they should follow in the footsteps of their parents or take over their work in order to honour them. Take over the family business, so to speak.

@a.nobodys.nobody 9 ай бұрын

@@jennaeveliina313its not weird. It makes perfect sense. you're afraid. Some people can overcome theirs.

@piglet5287 8 ай бұрын

@@a.nobodys.nobodyyes it could be the only way to slay your demons

@sophiepaterson7444 3 жыл бұрын

That poor FO. His world was going insane nothing made sense and everything he did had the opposite effect from his intention. Alarms were blasting, his captain was dying and he couldn't even see where he was going. The panic and fear must have been horrendous. I hope that his family didn't have to put up with people blaming him for the crash. I hope he is flying in friendlier skies now.

@NicolaW72 3 жыл бұрын

That´s straight on the point. As an armchair pilot, sitting safe and dry in your home, you can easily state: aviate, navigate, communicate - but in his reality he had no chance. It was beyond his possibility to aviate the plane. I share your hopes deeply. RIP.

@Markle2k 3 жыл бұрын

@@NicolaW72 The living can still learn from A-N-C. The 1st officer seems to have been put in an extremely unfortunate *series* of events that overwhelmed his ability to cope. It might save some lives, for those who come after, to remember that your colleague's medical emergency can only improve if you fly the airplane and get it back on the ground.

@Nebbia_affaraccimiei 3 жыл бұрын

i still would like to know what his inputs were on the flight controls, if any. I feel like this part has been left out.

@nikola10101 3 жыл бұрын

@@Nebbia_affaraccimiei It is explained in the video that he was steering his yoke to the right in an attempt to fix the roll, in fact that is the reason autopilot hasn't engaged. I think he wasn't familiar enough with Airbus's autopilot system, given the fact that most of his experience was on Ilyushins.

@daszieher 3 жыл бұрын

Usually panic is greatest, when you can't do anything and the development is slow. This was fairly quick, much quicker that it takes to tell the story.

@michellemccormick7258 Жыл бұрын

I'm 42 years old and living a hemisphere away from my birth city. Needless to say, I have to fly lots. Problem is I've spent my life with a terrible fear of flying that makes this incredibly challenging. I have to take a horse dose of sedatives to do it and often that isn't even enough to stop my serious anxiety. Been binging your videos for last couple of months. And its been the single best thing for my anxiety. I had occasion to fly again for first time in years last month, and I was mostly fine. Your videos helped me because... 1. I now understand how many things have to go wrong for a serious crash to occur. It's nearly always multiple failure points, all of which were individually super unlikely. 2. I now understand how seriously safety is taken. 3. I also understand how incredibly clever planes are, and how much skill goes into being any part of the crew. 4. I also now understand that while the odds aren't good, they are still sometimes survival events. 5. At the beginning you always give the number of flights hours of the pilots. To imagine that many hours in the sky and still being ok, makes my once-every-4 years journeys seem just really unlikely to be the one time the plane is gonna run into a crash. 6. The happenings of the cockpit is now not some magical mystery I fully don't understand. Understanding more is empowering because you aren't just hoping for the best when you have some level of understanding about what's happening. Not saying I could fly a plane now (😂), but definitely it's not ALL some magical mystery now beyond my total comprehension either. Of course, all of these lessons would have been totally lost on me had the content not been also really engaging. So thank you for creating this for me and opening the world up for me again in a much less brutally terrifying way.

@mnxs Жыл бұрын

That's awesome! And very well put. About your point #5, I daresay it's actually even better than you say. Petter (Mentour Pilot) once stated that he has actually never himself even been involved in any kind of significant mishap, like an engine failure (which, as I'm sure you know by now, isn't even really as big of a problem as people usually think), and that's despite him being a very experienced captain (= many, many hours). AFAIK, pilots usually go through their entire careers without ever having anything particularly serious happening. I think I remember the statistic being that there's only a serious accident once per 11 _million_ flight hours... Meaning that you'd have to spend about 1,255 _years_ flying before you'd get in a crash, statistically speaking. I know that the numbers themselves might not help much, but the 'why' is another thing that's good to know and be aware of: we humans inherently _suck_ at *intuitively* understanding a lot of maths, such as exponential phenomena (we like things linear) and, more related to here, large numbers and probabilities. And worse, we often reactively fear/disparage what we don't understand, which, in our modern society, is a rather bad habit. I applaud you for having faced your fears through learning.

@purplecosmonaut Жыл бұрын

I know exactly what you mean and I related to it a lot in a lot of ways. I too live across a different continent (and hemisphere) from my home town, so I tend to fly a lot. Thankfully, I've been flying since I was a baby. I've been always used to planes, so I never suffered from anxiety or fear of planes or heights much. I may get a bit anxious now and then, but it usually goes away fast. I didn't know anything about flying either before, but binging Peter's videos have definitely made me understand it a lot better, and made me appreciate just how much time, effort and skill goes into flying an airplane. The awe and admiration I have for pilots now is a lot more than I had before. In a way, I think that's how it goes for a lot of things in life. Having dealt with homophobia for a portion of my life, I can definitely see the resemblance. People tend to fear, be scared of, or find potentially anxiety inducing things they don't understand well(flying/queer people). Understanding it doesn't necessarily mean you belong to the group/can do the thing (piloting/being queer) but it definitely makes you understand that it's not a magical realm where magical and weird things happen, and that people work together to make it work. And like you said, none of this would work if the content wasn't engaging. The fact that it's so well produced and Peter explains it in a rational way, while also showing his own experience in the area is definitely what makes it work out so well.

@ryleighsweet2375 11 ай бұрын

Isn't it so strange how learning about plane crashes makes you feel better about flying? The first time I was ever on a plane was in high school, and I basically started on hard mode: a 10+ hour transatlantic flight without my parents. As a teenager I was anxious about pretty much everything, so obviously the idea of flying scared the hell out of me. I think I spent at least six months before the flight reading everything I could about plane crashes and aviation safety, and I came out of it feeling so much better. When you really take in all the info, it becomes clear how wildly unusual crashes are, and how it's even rarer for them to have significant fatalities.

@veganbutcherhackepeter 11 ай бұрын

If you are scared of flying, you probably shouldn't get in a car, a bus, or a train. There's no safer means of transportation than flying.

@benjie128 11 ай бұрын

Like you, I used to be afraid of flying. One flight, I had an empty seat next to me, and a pilot got on (not the plane's pilot, but he also worked for the airline). Throughout the flight, he explained all the mechanics that kept a plane in flight. Never had an issue since. Knowledge is empowering.

@lisahinton9682 Жыл бұрын

I really appreciate that you played that alarm for us. I could not think straight as it played for the three or so seconds it did. Can't imagine having to try to get a plane back on course with a dying or dead pilot next to me with that dang noise the entire time. Playing the alarm really puts what that poor First Officer was going through into perspective.

@patagualianmostly7437 Жыл бұрын

Yes Lisa.... He was overwhelmed by a barrage of information , then confusion as regards the "False Horizon" compounding his understanding of the situation. But I am struggling to accept that three airlines knew this plane had a serious defect in the auto throttle on #1 engine..... I find that Criminally Negligent.

@thenelsonbruhs722 9 ай бұрын

@@patagualianmostly7437unfortunately, autopilot is not legally required to be operating so I can see why it was neglected. You’d think they would label and disable it, however, because that IS legally required.

@pantherplatform 9 ай бұрын

That alarm woke me from a dead sleep after I spent hours trying to fall asleep due to insomnia. I'll be watching this channel with the volume off and closed captioning on from now on...

@durdleduc8520 6 ай бұрын

i'm honestly surprised and confused that it was designed to behave that way. i'm very sure there's good reason for it, but based on my minimal knowledge i'd think that any alarm should only sound for as long as it needs to in order to prevent overloading the cockpit. i'm really wondering now what condition it needed fulfilled before that alarm would stop.

@ixlr8677 Күн бұрын

wrong time to freeze up.

@TGabrielTPOI 3 жыл бұрын

I’m from Romania and this accident was all over media but never got a better explanation of what has happened as in this video. Great episode! Thank you

@BackPackYourLife 3 жыл бұрын

Best explanation ever!

@martintheiss4038 3 жыл бұрын

He is a trainer, backseat check pilot observing safety and service at times, and also is experienced in ensuring pilots given general licenses for his type of plane actually know how to fly it.

@brav0wing 3 жыл бұрын

Mayday Air Crash Investigation do ofer the same explanations aside from the F/O training on Soviet type aircraft with different artificial horisons.

@JK-dv3qe 3 жыл бұрын

Government: ITS ALL FINE DONT WORRY

@jamesbirkin351 3 жыл бұрын

@@brav0wing but that is the really brilliant insight

@ErzengelDesLichtes 3 жыл бұрын

Maintenance: “This component has failed in flight over 10 times, but we can’t find the issue on the ground. Should we just replace the whole assembly?” “Nah, just tell the pilots to keep an eye on it. What’s the worst that could happen?”

@miroslavdockal9468 2 жыл бұрын

It was the simple solution, it was this Pilot aircraft anyway, he should learn about to how predict possible problems, and missgifts..... Real problem was copilot, even if he was more ready as captain, he was used to soviet made plane, and they are build and react diferently.

@klyplays 2 жыл бұрын

why not just disable the autothrottle and just have retraining for the crews? Aviation safety is a joke at best.

@melodiefrances3898 2 жыл бұрын

I'm inclined to agree with you.

@aaronmicalowe 2 жыл бұрын

@@miroslavdockal9468 The copilot who was incapacitated?

@hussssshie 2 жыл бұрын

That's not a maintenance issue. It's the manufacturer's. Imagine knowing a component you sold is randomly failing, it has no redundancy checks, and could kill several people. And still waiting til many people die and there's a report out with your name on it before redesigning it. If instead of telling the maintenance crews to grease it up, if they had partially or completely disabled the ATS while developing and testing a new thrust lever design, this wouldn't have happened. No chance. But all large companies are reckless when it comes to safety, they prefer lawsuits over preventative solutions to existing problems

@cassandragough Жыл бұрын

As Mentour Pilot takes 20 minutes to calmly and clearly go through the scenario unfolding on the flight it's easy to forget how much time was elapsing in reality. 2 minutes in this case; and with so much happening too.

@SW-kr9fl 9 ай бұрын

Yeah this fatal crashes often happen so quickly. In seconds rather than minutes

@Moondropmedia 6 ай бұрын

And ironically enough those 2 minutes probably felt like the longest two minutes ever

@Moondropmedia 6 ай бұрын

@@SW-kr9flseconds if it’s close to the ground or something but if they’re at cruising altitude 35,000 even an 8K decent would take 3 minutes to get to 11,000. Assuming the planes just dropping instead of coasting or anything like that

@logan_e Жыл бұрын

I feel really sad for the first officer in this case, it seems very likely that his genuine concern for the Captain distracted his attention for just a moment but that was all it took for everything to overwhelm him, it just feels unfair!

@raminasr2928 2 жыл бұрын

Wow.. this insanely unlucky string of coincidences is stunning. First the auto thrust issue with the plane, then the fact that the flight plan involved a left turn which matched the polarity of the auto thrust issue, then the fact that air traffic control cleared the left turn earlier than planned causing the captain to fiddle with nav instead of holding the thrust levers, then the captain is medically incapacitated right at the instant that the plane reaches an altitude that causes the auto thrust system to do work (kicking the auto thrust issue into motion), causes a huge distraction to the co-pilot who has the controls and thinks the plane is stable and focuses for too long on his struggling colleague, and finally when he turns his full attention back to the plane his piloting is stymied by the fact that he's in the clouds and instruments only, and the vast majority of his flight hours were on Soviet built planes that had a different style of artificial horizon. Unbelievable bad luck for all on that plane. Rest in peace.

@Jake-im2lv 2 жыл бұрын

Usually is a lot of individually small issues that in isolation probably wouldn't cause an accident, but when they all add up it ends in tragedy

@peterheinzo515 Жыл бұрын

great summary. shows how quick things can turn bad. and then the insticts kick in.

@arasb3258 Жыл бұрын

The Swiss cheese alignments analogy.

@ruthstevens8805 2 жыл бұрын

I am not a pilot but find these videos fascinating. I have a greater appreciation for pilots and their workload now.

@feelthatfeelthat 2 жыл бұрын

For me I no longer want to fly.

@MargaritaMagdalena 2 жыл бұрын

I show my appreciation by paying for my ticket so they get a nice salary.

@MrSigmatico 2 жыл бұрын

@@feelthatfeelthat I find it remarkeble how much need to go wrong for a plane to crash, I mean here it is heart attack combined with too much familiarity with Russian build planes and a change in course all at exactly the same couple of seconds, I mean what are the odds of that such incredibly bad luck, it makes me want to fly watching this and I have watched every single episode of aircrash investigation on Netional geographic as well and it makes me happy to fly watching it.

@SirFrag32 2 жыл бұрын

@@feelthatfeelthat Opposite for me. Shows how much it really takes for a plane to go down.

@charisselinnell-morton4137 2 жыл бұрын

@@feelthatfeelthat Okay you are more likely to be struck by lightning ⚡️ 15 times in 1 year then being in a air crash 💥 You are more likely to be killed in a car accident 100 times in a one year time period. Oh and if you swim in a pool 🏊🏻‍♀️ you are more likely to drown even if you can swim up to 30 times in one year. All true

@Spachia Жыл бұрын

As an aircraft mechanic, the most frustrating thing is not being able to replicate the issue and you’re left trying to decipher what was really going on in relation to the troubleshooting manuals. The troubleshooting manuals will normally go through an operational check and if it works that time, then the system is ok. But when it’s the third time it’s happened in a week, then it’s difficult to decide where to begin.

@nigelturner9606 9 ай бұрын

I struggle with the fact that you can't replicate the issue, but somehow the crash investigation gets to the bottom of the problem.

@Leaferr 9 ай бұрын

hindsight is 2020 @@nigelturner9606

@Spachia 9 ай бұрын

@@nigelturner9606 we don’t have access to black box, dfdau, and flight recordings during troubleshooting. And most troubleshooting is performed during a 2 day AOG window at max. We can’t be in the cockpit to see or feel what is happening so all we have are our manuals and intuition. If the system checks out ok during our tests then it’s legal to sign it off. Usually when it’s a repeat or chronic issue and cannot determine the cause on the ground, then we will start changing out the most likely suspected LRUs.

@Snaproll47518 8 ай бұрын

@@nigelturner9606 Investigators literally got to the bottom of the problem. A flat spotted roller bearing from the throttle quadrant was found at the bottom of the 30 ft crater. Investigators and Airbus knew exactly what they were looking for. The flat spotted roller was known to Pan Am Maintenance when they operated the very aircraft 5-years earlier but the PIREP was signed off as "lubed." There was an undisclosed settlement with the plaintiffs after the investigation was completed.

@desteptul777 8 ай бұрын

The strangest thing for me these plains have a GO even though they are experiencing some critical issues. Sounds very unprofessional to try to replicate the issue during the ground time and if it is not replicated by the technician the action is to simply let the plane fly again. With this kind of issue, no flight should be accepted until it is clear what is the cause. Really shocking!

@petemcknight803 Жыл бұрын

I’m a 767 Captain and I learn something from every horrible event you detail very thoroughly. Love this channel even though it’s sad to see what leads up to many of these disasters. Keep up the work you do. It’s valuable information. Footnote. There have been quite a few accidents that you have profiled that concern the differences in the attitude indicators on western built and Russian built aircraft. Thats tragic.

@NickanM Жыл бұрын

The unique thing with Petter is that he has the ability to explain the accidents in a way so both you, a captain, and I, an artist learn something. From different perspectives, but still. He makes me much less nervous. 😌

@user-lv7ph7hs7l 9 ай бұрын

Yeah when Russia opened up (temporarily lol) and their airlines began buyong Western jets you suddenly had hundreds or even thousands of pilots who spent their entire life with Soviet artificial horizons having to use the Western style, which look a lot like the opposite (L bank looks like bank to the right) and in an emergency with startle effect plus trying to figure out you tend to revert to instinct and habit. So there's been a bunch of incidents. Most you probably never hear of. Probably just some momentary "holy shit" followed by recovery and a few embarassed looks in the cockpit and an awkward announcement to the cabin with passengers muttering, something like "this is what I get for flying Aeroflot".

@shanestachwick4784 6 ай бұрын

When I took A&P classes at Miramar my instructor (a licensed pilot and Vans RV-7 owner) had four rules for flying that he always observed. #1 was to never fly the “A” model, #2 was to never fly anything Russian-built, probably for exactly this reason.

@randallsmerna384 2 ай бұрын

Personally, I prefer the Russian as the Western makes no damn sense to me.

@senorpepper3405 Ай бұрын

@@shanestachwick4784Mas miramar?

@rickb1973 3 жыл бұрын

That moment when you said, "....but because they are in a left hand turn..." -And you see it all come together....Oh....Oh no.

@1960markN 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that just about told the whole story. (at about 10:20) And at only around 1500 feet AGL, there's no extra seconds for correction.

@Greg-yu4ij 2 жыл бұрын

Also, if the FO is trying to reach over to help the pilot with his left hand while steadying the controls with his right hand, he will maintain his bank angle. Any erratic motion with his left hand will tend to pull the controls left at the exact worst time.

@Vespyr_ 2 жыл бұрын

Its so cruel. What a load of crap. Cmon God that's just a cheap shot....

@amyg9518 2 жыл бұрын

I really appreciate your respect for the loss of life. You don't just talk about a statistic, you show us the memorial, you play music, you give us a moment to mourn because these are people who deserve to be mourned. It's clear this isn't just an academic interest for you; this is a responsibility for lives that you take seriously every time you fly or teach others to fly.

@mikes-b6009 2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think you could be a pilot and not appreciate the loss of life. Pilots are aware of how quickly things can go wrong with disastrous outcomes. Flying is a fickle game where minor errors can have life altering and life ending outcomes.

@YuMe-id8de 2 жыл бұрын

music is the worst part, triggeres too much emotions.

@freak1sees714 2 жыл бұрын

@@mikes-b6009 Flying isn't fickle at all... it's one of, if not, the safest form of commercial transport. You're more like to be killed driving to the shops to get some milk or while catching a train to work. The fact that if there is a malfunction of some type you're in a dire situation is just obvious as you're at the mercy of gravity.. that's not fickle.. that's physics.

@freak1sees714 2 жыл бұрын

@Ali Al-Mahdi ??? Wrong channel maybe?? I think the "meaningless opinions from assholes no one gives a shit about" is down the road. Take a hike.

@mikes-b6009 2 жыл бұрын

@Ali Al-Mahdi I’m a father of two adult daughters who I raised on my own throughout their teens. I was also a health care professional and I find your ‘theory’ of menstruation and blood to be both concerning and I’ll-informed. I’m unable to rationalise how menstruation has anything to do with flying an aircraft!!!!

@bogdanrc Жыл бұрын

My parents flew this plane the day before, so me waking up and hearing at TV that this plane had a crash almost gave me a heart attack. There was no internet at that time so news was slower, so I had no idea the crash didn't happen a day before. Terrible tragedy.

@yashjoshiiii Жыл бұрын

This is my 2nd time re-watching this incident and I wanted to bring a special attention to one detail. Before the captain was potentially incapacitated, the first-officer asked the captain to retract the flaps and the captain did. Now, the flap lever is on the right side of the thrust levers. There is no way the captain could have missed the asymmetrical thrust. It's literally in the line of sight. The only reason I can think of is the captain was already feeling what he was feeling at that time with his mind only fixated on the task at hand (retracting the flaps) and not the surroundings, whilst experiencing the pain. A real terrible coincidence of tragedy indeed.

@patagualianmostly7437 Жыл бұрын

I agree..... he must have been distracted by his own pain and merely concentrated on his task in hand....the flap lever. Just so sad....all of it.

@Eet0saurus 11 ай бұрын

To me it sounded like he had a heart attack

@sleepysera 9 ай бұрын

@@Eet0saurusWe'll never know, sadly. In the end, there's a myriad of potential health issues that could have caused it - while not a lot of stuff kills you immediately, pretty much any extremely painful issue can literally cause people to pass out from the pain alone for a few minutes (which would have been enough here). After all, we don't know if he only lost consciousness or died right away. Just horrible that it happened with the worst possible timing :(

@VladAndreis 3 жыл бұрын

My father was good friends with Captain Liviu Batanoiu. We lived pretty close to him in Bucharest. My dad and I were jus discussing this accident last weekend and he mentioned that they had met for a chat a couple days before the accident. My grandpa worked at Bucharest Otopeni International Airport (now Henri Coanda) and back in 1998 he took me to the hangar where the remains of flight 371 were still being stored. I remember getting very emotional just like back in 1995 when the accident happened.

@neytiritetskahamoatite7688 2 жыл бұрын

Man if this is not THE MOST stupid airplane crash ever ! What can i say: Long live garbage aviation ... Romania :(

@alexandrul.9910 2 жыл бұрын

@@neytiritetskahamoatite7688 all airplane crash are stupid, i would not put this on the copilot as much as i would put it on beoing for knowing that they had a problem and did not fix it. There are a lot of things going wrong in this accident.

@tomlong8472 2 жыл бұрын

@@alexandrul.9910 why would Boeing fix it?

@arushasmusic8523 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing this :)

@jamesbong7852 2 жыл бұрын

@@alexandrul.9910 - so you wouldn't blame the airline who bought the plane knowing that it had this problem yet still didn't replace the component? You must be Romanian!!

@julians7268 2 жыл бұрын

So crazy. It's insane how fast things go from perfectly normal to unrecoverable catastrophe.

@bmw_m4255 Жыл бұрын

Ikr

@mgmmj6664 4 ай бұрын

@@davidt8087 you're full of shit and don't know anything at all

@randallsmerna384 2 ай бұрын

What's really insane is that they have all this technology out there that can rectify much of these situations yet there's no SOL threshold where the plane will say "F#@k it, I need to fix it!" and lockout pilot inputs temporarily to rectify to situation. I mean, it should be a no-brainer that a plane should not be going past a certain bank angle or damn near upside down. At that point what's the worst that could happen if the plane takes over?

@julians7268 Ай бұрын

@randallsmerna384 they do on F-16s, 35s and 22s. Maybe one day it will make it to civilian platforms. It isn't universal in the military yet tho.

@usernamechecksout Жыл бұрын

My best friend's dad was flying the A310s back then for Tarom. My dad was on the B707. They both knew the pilot and co-pilot. It shook them quite a bit.

@pantherplatform 9 ай бұрын

15:21 This is why I don't fall asleep watching this channel anymore. Woke up the entire house. Almost had a heart attack...

@brianolson6366 3 жыл бұрын

I'm sure you've heard this a hundred times, but you are very skilled at explaining things.

@AlessandroGenTLe 3 жыл бұрын

He is a trainer, he must be :) Good Cpt! :)

@kirilmihaylov1934 3 жыл бұрын

@@AlessandroGenTLe true 👍

@FyourCult 3 жыл бұрын

could you share that skill with us😉

@alumpy-acho112 3 жыл бұрын

@@FyourCult “Skillshare”

@TheLukasDirector 3 жыл бұрын

And you can be too, with Skillshare!

@ThePatrickJanssens 2 жыл бұрын

This video brings up some unpleasant memories as a colleague of mine was on that flight. But it is first time I see a really comprehensive explanation of what happened. Really appreciate that. Thank you.

@bmw_m4255 Жыл бұрын

How's he doing now

@AlinJ. Жыл бұрын

@@bmw_m4255 Bruh

@arthurdebacker9918 Жыл бұрын

😢🎉

@cottoncandyflaps4347 Жыл бұрын

I’m sorry for your loss

@SerbanOprescu Жыл бұрын

I hope your colleague wasn't working on the Bucharest subway...

@oneworldawakening 2 жыл бұрын

This, to me, is one of the saddest crash scenarios that I've seen. Though most (or all?) crashes have multiple causes or conditions occurring in combination, this one just seems as if events really conspired against the poor first officer. : (

@zen4men 9 ай бұрын

Karma. Sometimes a group is meant to leave. In the same way, sometimes someone just misses the flight because his time is not yet.

@oneworldawakening 9 ай бұрын

@@zen4men You're right, it's all according to one's divine life plan, isn't it. I usually manage to remember that but sometimes get caught up in drama of events.

@zen4men 9 ай бұрын

@@oneworldawakening I have "met" otherworlds/other beings, and know I have lived before / will again / never die, which does change one's perspective! We are in a World War. A spiritual struggle on a global scale. Orchestrated fear, globally.

@PsychoKaedeMode 6 ай бұрын

schizo@@zen4men

@zen4men 6 ай бұрын

@@PsychoKaedeMode You see what you think you see I see what I know I see I have experienced things that most people only read books on. If you see that as "schizo", that says far more about you than it does about me. /

@saurabhvikas1226 Жыл бұрын

Having flown both Russian as well as Western Fast Jets, I can testify to this problem arising due to different depiction of Artificial Horizon. That is why we are taught to always correlate the Artificial Horizon indications with secondary instrument, ie, the compass and the turn and slip indicator. That form the basis of recovery from unusual attitudes in actual IFR conditions when the visual horizon is not available. Another basic learning is that whenever you're facing an unusual situation, the first action is to level the aircraft and then do your trouble shooting. The Aviate part of Aviate, Navigate and Communicate. Such a sad waste of life. All the more important to never ever forget the basics of flying. Congratulations to you as well as your Patreon crew on this amazing deduction.

@saraparadis8047 8 ай бұрын

The Russian method seems more intuitive to me, which do you prefer of the two?

@saurabhvikas1226 8 ай бұрын

@@saraparadis8047 It is a matter of getting used to, but personally, I agree with you. The Russian depiction of Artificial Horizon (AGD, Agda, as they call it) is more intuitive.

@catherinearangie2311 6 ай бұрын

@@saraparadis8047the Russian method makes more sense. It is the plane that is moving, not the sky.

@benhetland576 6 ай бұрын

@@catherinearangie2311 The plane is moving, but the pilot is moving with it. Relative to the plane-pilot reference frame the horizon will change the angle. The eastern system shows the view from someone outside (behind) the plane who is sitting upright aligned with the horizon. The western system shows the view from inside the cockpit and what the pilot would see if looking out the window.

@Karadjanov 3 ай бұрын

@@benhetland576 I could agree that anyone would prefer the method that they started out with but in all objectivity there is nothing intuitive about the soviet model. The western model is much more intuitive and makes much more sense because in essence it shows the same image/view as what a pilot would normally see from the cockpit window just in a simplified digital form.

@sk8kar89 2 жыл бұрын

Your air crash investigations are narrated and explained better than the NatGeo show. Amazing Amazing work. I love them.

@MentourPilot 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@PigeonPlucker 2 жыл бұрын

Nat Geo is mostly crap because they spend 40% of the show covering stuff completely irrelevant to the crash. "Was it a failed engine that caused the crash?!?!" *30 minutes later* no. Pilot error.

@terrielaces8753 2 жыл бұрын

@@MentourPilot I love your videos !! Could you do one of the 2 planes that collided mid air in India ?

@gohjohan 2 жыл бұрын

@@PigeonPlucker I like Air Crash Investigations because they interview the people involved, may it be the investigators or the survivors.

@pianomanhere 2 жыл бұрын

@@PigeonPlucker Let me be your cheerleader for saying this. I want to watch a program about the event, maybe a little bit of personal info about key figures and possibly ironic/tragic vignettes related to it, and then the nuts and bolts of the investigation. Don't take me around in pirouettes for an hour just to add enough mattress stuffing to consider your work "a tv program" or "a documentary." Also, if the cause of the crash relates to other similar crashes, then you may add that, too (example: American Airlines Flight 96 (in 1972...all survived), arising from faulty design/incomplete closure of a cargo door on a DC-10, then the issuance of a Service bulletin, then again, Turkish Airlines Flight 981 (in 1974...346 dead)... all because of failure to repair the cargo door problem on their DC-10). One of several acceptable examples of an EXCEPTION to this is South African Airways Flight 295 (which became known as "The Helderberg Disaster"). The program that I saw was SO well done, because it DID focus on more than just the disaster, the investigation and the times, but the political situation at the time, with how apartheid had an effect on what potentially contraband cargo may have been transported on the 747 Combi (Passengers in the front, cargo in the back)... Cheers.

@wraith8323 3 жыл бұрын

That cavalry alarm gave me some serious anxiety/panic, I couldn't imagine having to make split second life or death decisions with that thing blaring.

@andreaberryman5354 3 жыл бұрын

Well, his plane was essentially screaming for him to fly it because it couldn't fly itself. Neither could pilot. Had to be horrific, I agree.

@jeffstillwell6802 2 жыл бұрын

Important reminder to always Cancel/Identify any alarm. This is to allow other system alarms to function and tell you more info.

@tankthearc9875 2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffstillwell6802 you cant always do that though.

@jeffstillwell6802 2 жыл бұрын

@@tankthearc9875 you can! Just reach up and smash the red or yellow button, read the EICAS, do the work.

@PixelTrain1 2 жыл бұрын

hey at least it alarms you

@d3xmeister Жыл бұрын

I remember this like it was yesterday. Living in Romania, I was in my first year of highschool, and I remember reading daily newspapers that had full double and quadruple pages dedicated to this accident.

@ryanodriscoll 2 жыл бұрын

Learning about things like this have made me a lot more tolerant of mistakes made by people elsewhere in life. The same cognitive biases exist outside of the cockpit and have caused people to make some truly tragic mistakes.

@EddieTheDamned 3 жыл бұрын

Mentour producing better documentaries than documentary makers yet again! Thanks for the awesome content dude

@EddieTheDamned 3 жыл бұрын

@Godzilla Hårddisksson He pretty much is doing that now!

@spikenomoon 3 жыл бұрын

Goes into detail but makes it very understandable

@matthewcoldicutt5951 2 жыл бұрын

This is my first viewing. For a non pilot ( and let's face it, most of us are here but we really want to understand as best we can everything going on ) I really appreciate all the angles that Mentour is giving us, technical and human . Won over sir !

@tiberiud 3 жыл бұрын

I don't know if it has any relevance, yet first officer Stoi was a friend of a friend of my grandfather's. As you mentioned in the video, it was a pretty well-regarded airman, and even entrusted (at least once) with flying Ceaușescu's backup plane in one of his visits abroad. Seeing such a skilful person not being able to gain control of the situation is a grim reminder that even the best of us can succumb to stress and maybe, as you said, certain mental patterns and habits.

@operationgoldilocks2481 3 жыл бұрын

SLOJ.

@teksal13 3 жыл бұрын

It seems that some of the most terrible accidents happen with the most experienced and respected pilots at the controls. Ex.: KLM at Tenerife.

@watershed44 3 жыл бұрын

@Tiberiu Danciu *Wow, that's quite a rarity that anyone would have piloted Ceausescu's plane! Did your Grandfather get to meet him??!?!* If so what did he think of the man?

@tiberiud 3 жыл бұрын

@@watershed44 Maybe I didn't make it clear enough, but the story goes that he flew a backup/logistics plane in the presidential convoy, not Ceaușescu's plane itself. Sadly, he didn't get to meet him, so this is more of a "he said that he said" story. This led myself to believe that it could just be hearsay, so I tried to fact-check the little stuff I knew. Before the Boeing 707 presidential plane was bought, Ceaușescu flew on an Ilyushin Il-18 (YR-IMM, with YR-IMZ also being part of the presidential fleet). Stoi had 6,593 flight hours on the Il-18. He also worked for the TAROM state airline, which for all intents and purposes, operated presidential flights. So I think it's pretty plausible that the story is indeed true. Maybe the aircraft in question was the YR-IMZ. The location was in South America, so this would probably put the date in September 1973 (Also, my grandfather said something about a coup d'etat happening at the time - this checks out with the September 11th, 1973 coup in Chile). At the time, Stoi would have just celebrated his fifth year of being a pilot, so maybe the relative lack of experience is why he didn't get to fly Ceaușescu himself. In 1974, the aforementioned Boeing 707 was bought, and given the fact that Stoi didn't have a type rating for the 707, he probably didn't get another chance at flying a presidential plane. Funnily enough, in researching this, I discovered that captain Bătănoiu did have 5,151 flight hours on the 707 at the time of the incident. Given that TAROM wasn't flying too many western aircraft at the time, it would be worth looking if maybe he got to fly the newer presidential plane.

@watershed44 3 жыл бұрын

@@tiberiud Thanks for the reply! Very interesting and intriguing information!

@leuvenlife Жыл бұрын

I knew of someone that died in this crash, and I was always curious to know more about what happened. Thank you so much for this thorough and enlightening episode. Great work.

@Avalontranslations Жыл бұрын

not even a month before I was aboard this very plane from Heathrow to Bucharest. when I heard the news it crashed I just froze!

@Martin-ep6xu Жыл бұрын

I was on Air France 447 exactly 1 week before it went missing, same night flight from Rio to Paris

@TheGodParticle Жыл бұрын

Damn, that's scary.

@MariusLapugean 3 жыл бұрын

Related to the artificial horizon .... indeed, for planes built in the west, the reference position to the horizon is inside the plane and moves with it, while for the Russians it is fixed, placed outside the plane. I'm not a pilot but I have a friend who was a military pilot on MIG 21. I don't know why there are such differences and my friend didn't manage to give me an explanation either. From my point of view, the western approach is more logical because it looks at the horizon through the eyes of the pilot, but in the end it is a matter of habit and routine. And you are certainly right when you say that it is possible that this difference in design and his long experience on Eastern aircraft is one of the causes. I make an analogy with a driver who has driven on the right all his life and ends up driving in a country where he drives on the left. He can drive very well but in a critical situation he is very likely to react instinctively completely the opposite of how he should be in the new condition in which he drives.

@theantiantichrist 3 жыл бұрын

The soviet approach makes no sense. You're inside the plane. That should always be your reference.

@uk..bruiser..4046 3 жыл бұрын

Dacă nu ești pilot, de ce îți dai cu părerea atât de critic la adresa piloților? Doar pe motivul ca ai auzit tu la un prieten? Prietene, ești pe dinafară și faci praf niște piloți foarte buni, școliți în academia militară și cu foarte multa experienta. Iti garantez ca dacă avionul ala nu ar fi fost defect l ar fi pilotat cu ochii închiși. Chiar îl crezi pe ăsta ca nu au putut citi orizontul? Pe bune? Scuza ma dar ești dus.

@MariusLapugean 3 жыл бұрын

@@uk..bruiser..4046 Cu ce i-am facut praf? Ce am criticat? Ce este fals in ceea ce am spus si in ce consta critica? Am impresia ca tu esti praf amice.

@MariusLapugean 3 жыл бұрын

@@uk..bruiser..4046 Hai sa le luam pe rand sa vedem cat de idioata este interventia ta. Am spus ca nu sunt pilot si ca stiu de la un prieten de aceasta diferenta de abordare intre vest si est. Ce este critic si ce este neadevarat aici? Am mai spus ca nu stiu si nici prietenul meu nu stie explicatia dar este o diferenta in modul in care este perceputa relatia dintre pilot si aparat intre conceptia vestica si cea estica. Nu am incercat sa ma dau mare sa arunc ipoteze, am spus clar ca nu stiu de ce, dar fie ca iti place sau nu, aceasta diferenta exista. Cand am spus ca eu prefer abordarea vestica nu am afirmat ca ar fi mai buna sau mai proasta decat cea estica, am spus doar o preferinta personala. Unde este aici critica si cu ce am facut prin asta praf pilotii scoliti in academia militara? Am mai spus ca un om obisnuit cu un anumit mod de reactie, cand trece pe alt sistem oricat de bun este in situatii critice poate sa reactioneze in modul in care a fost obisnuit ani de zile si am dat ca exemplu un sofer care ani de zile a condus pe stanga, pus sa conduca pe dreapta. Este un fapt normal, se poate intampla oricui oricat de bine este pregatit. Unde este aici critica si cu ce am facut praf generatii de piloti? Asa ca inca odata afirm, amice, tu esti praf si comentator doar de dragul comentariului fara sa argumentezi cu nimic decat cu ura ca cineva indrazneste sa aiba o opinie.

@andreaberryman5354 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for clearing that up-I could see how that would make a big difference in what is seen on screen.

@AviationNut 3 жыл бұрын

This is so damn sad, the Captain became incapacitated at the worst possible time. But i guess that's why flight instructors always beat it into students heads to always fly the plane no matter what is happening around you.

@NicolaW72 3 жыл бұрын

Indeed. The mathematical possibility that the incapacitation of the Captain happened at this moment and together with the other circumstances was nearly zero - but not fully zero - and here Murphy´s Law unfortunately stepped in: Everything what can happen will happen. And yes, I still think that the shocking of the FO was at least one reason why he was then unable to fly the plane.

@jamesbirkin351 3 жыл бұрын

@@NicolaW72 well perhaps not because presumably take off and stress increase chances of a heart attack - so more likely at times of stress - which is when you most need two pilots

@sheeplehunter9651 3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesbirkin351 Still nearly zero, like he said. The increased risk of heart attack would still be well under 1%, but I'll be generous and let you have any medical condition, but you would still be very wrong. A study of16,000 commercial pilots found that the odds of a pilot becoming physically incapacitated on a flight at any time during that year was only 0.25% (exactly 40 pilots had a single episode in a year's time), and that's the chance for a year of flying. Commercial pilots can only fly a maximum of 1,400 hours in a year(edited, I incorrectly wrote 1,000 hrs in my initial post), and they are also checked annually for their health, and pilots are disqualified from flying with serious heart conditions or even diabetes requiring a hyperglycemic drug. So the odds in a years time this would happen to a pilot is nearly zero. Your already incorrect observation becomes a hundred times weaker when you adjust the odds of incapacitation from yearly probability to the probability over the course of a single flight. Therefore, assuming a very generous estimate of only 100 flights/year, the odds are now at 0.0025% of this happening during and given flight, which is very much nearly zero. The point about the pilot being in a stressful situation is not valid because they were climbing and having no major problems when he began to feel ill and it was his sudden incapacitation that set events into motion.

@pedrofernanddez9016 3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesbirkin351 +

@williamsstephens 3 жыл бұрын

@@sheeplehunter9651 - Nearly zero is not zero.

@Natalia_85 2 жыл бұрын

I absolutely love the way you tell the story and explain everything in a technical way but still manage to make it very clear. It's a talent in itself.

@CynthiaSchoenbauer 6 ай бұрын

Under stress we revert to the oldest and most primitive learning and instincts that we have. I compare this to braking on ice and how we can see how it is not working and yet we instantly push harder locking the BRAKES. That only makes it worse. I love this episode! Thank you MP!

@adriansorin9291 3 жыл бұрын

This brings chills down my spine, because I was supposed to be on the flight but didn’t make it... one of those nine lives surely gone that day... Great analysis, as usual. Never thought about the potential confusion coming from the soviet attitude indicator. Kudos to Dmitri for spotting that out, it can explained the lack of stick correction.

@cristinachirila3801 2 жыл бұрын

Wow

@awdtowildness 2 жыл бұрын

So what was the reason back then for you not to embark on that flight? (Edited 21 hours later - after asking the question) Personally, i know somebody who was suppose to be on that flight as well, couldn't get a straight answer for him losing the flight. There were a few other persons who stated they were suppose to be on that flight, on different comment sources (youtube, personal vlogs, articles etc) who never answered my question "what was the reason for not embarking?"

@dirkdiggler7317 2 жыл бұрын

Always one isn't there

@octavian8b 3 жыл бұрын

My dad was working in airport security at that time in Bucharest airport. He told me that he talked with the pilots and the flight crew before they embarked in the plane, they told some jokes, etc. They all seemed fine. He was shocked when he found out about the crash... :| he couldn't believe it.

@NicolaW72 2 жыл бұрын

I can imagine this. The crash happened in round about a minute - until then it was a routine workday and a routine take-off.

@di7787 2 жыл бұрын

I am so sorry for his loss ! :( My father was about to fly back to Otopeni that very day, we had heard about a plane crash but didn't know details, so we went in with lots of fear. Only when we saw him coming up smiling did we finally feel relief.

@RipRoaringGarage 2 жыл бұрын

I remember. My aunt woke me up. I knew them, as the chief pilot for the Airbus program at Tarom was a close family friend. I flew with most of them, and flew on Muntenia...I have photos of that plane before the crash. Noroc.

@PatGeo95 2 жыл бұрын

Îmi pare rău să aud asta.

@updatedotexe 2 жыл бұрын

i dont believe you

@annexton3795 2 жыл бұрын

Family of mine sailed around the world and returned safely after 8 years. Their motto was it only takes 3 factors to lead to a potential shipwreck. This made them very conservative when it came to fixing any single problem. It's worth remembering that in any undertaking. I particularly appreciate MP's respect for those who died - silence, cut to the grave in silence. It gives one a moment to pay respect. Thank you!

@maxavail Жыл бұрын

May all of them rest in peace! My father was a Tarom pilot, he made it through retirement but was killed by cancer ten years later, as were many, many more of his colleagues. Aviation is a beautiful and noble profession but exacts a high toll, either before or after you exit the cockpit.

@geddon436 Жыл бұрын

What caused the cancer?

@maxavail Жыл бұрын

@@geddon436 most likely accumulated high altitude radiation.

@AlinJ. Жыл бұрын

@@maxavail I didn't know there was a correlation between flying and cancer. May your father rest in peace and I hope someday science and technology will find a way to guard or better protect our pilots against this.

@maxavail Жыл бұрын

@@AlinJ. thank you, bro!

@tsarina24honolulu87 Жыл бұрын

Thats not true. My uncle was also a pilot and died from a heart attack. Way to generalize.

@greymark420 3 жыл бұрын

What a terrible chain of events how could anyone deal with a situation like this. Very sad.

@adrianmadaras 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, it was a tragedy for my country. Very sad.

@raylopez99 3 жыл бұрын

" how could anyone deal with a situation like this" -- uh, I think that's the pilot and co-pilot's responsibility, but I could be wrong...

@greymark420 3 жыл бұрын

@@raylopez99 It maybe their responsibility, but so much was happening at the same time. Far too simplistic to say it's their responsibility. Even with good training, this appeared to be a rare occurrence, imagine your colleague incapacitated without warning and dealing with a plane losing control. As i said your comment was simplistic.

@raylopez99 3 жыл бұрын

@@greymark420 Not really. Crazy or incapacitated pilots are rather not uncommon, for example that FedEx flight, the golfer Payne Stewart private jet, that decompression incident with Aegion? from Cyprus (the flight attendant almost became a hero but not quite) and so on.

@greymark420 3 жыл бұрын

@@raylopez99 Always easy to make comparisons from an armchair. I work for the emergency services, very well aware how a high stress environment effects an individual. Even with good training, we are not infallible. That's what makes us human.

@newruestudio7499 3 жыл бұрын

The wife of a good friend of mine was supposed to be onboard but she canceled her flight the day before. The memory of this still lingers around. Thank you for explaining it so well.

@lgw4873 3 жыл бұрын

Wow that was a close call

@awdtowildness 2 жыл бұрын

Did she ever said why she canceled the flight?

@fishchipsandmushypeas Жыл бұрын

You have one of the best channels on KZfaq. Keep up the great work!

@CatalinBogdan Жыл бұрын

This is nightmare fuel. I was almost 12 when this happened and it was the first aircrash I've ever heard about. Or maybe it just stuck to me because I am Romanian and this felt close. It probably played a major role in my ongoing fear of flying. Condoleances to the families affected, I cannot imagine what the passengers went through :( This disaster seems caused by exactly the same kind of issue the 737 Max had. Ofcourse, technically, it's completely different. But corruption and greed (of the airplane manufacturers - AIRBUS, BOEING, of the airlines too) can cause such major tragedies. Airbus knew there was a potentially fatal flaw and did nothing about? Delta and Tarom knew about and still flew like nothing was going on? Every executive involved in trading that airplane or in deciding that it should have been allowed to fly should be IN JAIL with a LIFE SENTENCE. Technicians who haven't sounded the alarm too. Companies involved should be bankrupt.

@bjsdoc 3 жыл бұрын

The biggest thing I'm taking away from this series of yours is just how many things have to go wrong for an accident to happen. If just a single part of these things did not happen, everything would've been fine.

@williamfaulkner1959 3 жыл бұрын

Very true. Did you see the 1964 move; Fate is the Hunter? It's all about a series of events.

@xistrik3rix 3 жыл бұрын

@@williamfaulkner1959 "Fate Is The Hunter" is a great book if you haven't read it.

@williamfaulkner1959 3 жыл бұрын

@@xistrik3rix Thanks

@brianwest2775 3 жыл бұрын

That's very true but it's less often that the timing makes such a big impact. They turned early, causing a masking of the symptom and at the same time the pilot becomes incapacitated. That's incredibly bad luck.

@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 3 жыл бұрын

So true. Pretty much all of the major air crashes that I can think of have consisted of a chain of cascading events which end in disaster. Thankfully, the chances of so many things going wrong at the same time are exceedingly rare.

@donmoore7785 3 жыл бұрын

Wow - what a catastrophic set of coincidences. The fact they were initiating a left turn as the thrust changed in a way that was consistent with the effects if making a turn, and the Captain apparently experiencing a health event as the same time. Kind of ridiculous that the autothrottle malfunction was well known and left for pilots to deal with. Excellent analysis of the potential for artificial horizon instrumentation being the most critical factor.

@JudeLawKingKlaus 2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't flying a left turn in that case feel different from usual? I don't get why they didn't watch the thrust lever, knowing about this issue..

@dantreadwell7421 2 жыл бұрын

@@JudeLawKingKlaus the Pilot, in the left hand seat, was the one watching the throttles and handling all the other inputs required, as the Copilot was the one who was actually hands on, flying the aircraft. The pilot had to take his attention off the throttle levers in order to enter the changes required to make an early turn, so he did not see the left hand lever continue to move lower, nor see the right hand lever stuck. And by the time the call for flaps happened, it seems the pilot had had what I can only assume is a heart attack, thus completely distracting the copilot from anything else going on to the aircraft. Unfortunately, the cabin crew and the passengers, having nothing to distract them, would have noticed rather quickly that something was very wrong, but with neither the time or ability to do anything about it. As for the throttle difference, yea, eventually they would have noticed the results, but from what I can tell, the right engine was at climb setting, call it 90%, and the left engine was probably around 70% or so? That is based on what I assume are the thrust dials shown a few times, and where the indicators were pointing. Also, a change is much harder to notice when it is happening slowly, than when it is happening rapidly.

@cosminmilitaru9920 2 жыл бұрын

@@JudeLawKingKlaus No no no, you don't "feel". Pilots have said they are instructed to ignore the body feel because it's misleading them and they die if they do that, they have to follow their cabin instruments, they rely on them. Due to the weather they could not see outside the windows, they had no feeling in the human body if they were going up/down, you could be falling and think you are going up - in the airplane, if you don't see anything. Expecially when the entire flight took 1min30 and previously they thought everything was ok, then everything didn't make sense. This after being given a defective airplane to fly + told to take a left turn earlier than they were indending to. Even with the captain pilot still alive this would have been from bad do still a catastrophe.

@the1andonly Жыл бұрын

This is mind blowing. Those things will never cause a crash on their own, but a combination of them and you're in big trouble. I'm a drone pilot, shooting for my advanced Canadian license. We are expected to know a lot about aviation and that's where your videos really help. Thanks for doing them.

@garyb8528 2 жыл бұрын

There are just two aviation channels that I LOVE. Your channel and Kelsey’ s. As a life long aviation enthusiast and a “grounded” private pilot, I can express my thanks to both of you. I love learning about safety, systems and aircraft in general. Be well

@SW-kr9fl 9 ай бұрын

Me too. They are the best pilot channels on KZfaq

@tompurvis1261 3 жыл бұрын

I must tell you how much I enjoy your intelligent discussion.

@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I hope you watched it to the end

@tompurvis1261 3 жыл бұрын

@@MentourPilot just about. Darn work responsibilities.

@SMaamri78 3 жыл бұрын

And so free from any political talk. Very refreshing.

@marie-sophie4 3 жыл бұрын

So interesting the way you explain what happened but so very sad to understand what they must have been through in the few minutes of this flight. R.I.P. to the crew and passengers that lost their lives so tragically.

@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын

Indeed 😥

@gabiold 3 жыл бұрын

@@MentourPilot I don't exactly understand something. It is a theory that he interpreted the horizon the opposite way, and it seems like it is an unsolved mystery. But why there isn't an answer to this in the recorded flight data that he turned into the wrong side?

@whereisvanuatu 2 жыл бұрын

I have actually watched a feature (Discovery, I guess) documentary about this flight and they inserted audio records, including the sounds made by the captain and the last few seconds of the flight (the terrified scream of the FO upon coming out of fog a few hundred meters above the impact site). Also, in that documentary they touched on the difference between western and soviet dials, so Dimitri might've watched it too.

@pjn1988 Жыл бұрын

It is amazing how you go above and beyond what the official reports cover - thank you for your efforts!

@ab8jeh 9 ай бұрын

What a ridiculous series of events, this has to be the unluckiest aircraft accident in history.

@georgealex19 2 жыл бұрын

The captain had a heart attack. The timing of all events seems “perfect” for this disaster to occur. Of cause, no postmortem can be done, but based on all of the events, this seems to be the most likely scenario. Poor people… :(

@flagmichael 2 жыл бұрын

The sudden incapacitation suggests a cerebral vascular problem - a serious stroke. It could go either way, though. Blockage of the circumflex artery stops the heart very rapidly.

@FreedomIsNotGoingToBeFree 2 жыл бұрын

@@flagmichael May he just realized the throttle position and failing organ was a result.

@elainelouve 2 жыл бұрын

Heart attack was what I was guessing too, based on the groans, like he was in serious pain.

@Zildawolf 2 жыл бұрын

@@FreedomIsNotGoingToBeFree he looked down to adjust the flaps, saw the left thrust lever was like 10 degrees off from the right, and several organs just went “ah. No” simultaneously.

@cryptoslacker-464 2 жыл бұрын

Such bad timing 😮

@iFlorinARDE 3 жыл бұрын

My father was there when it happened, he was being a soldier at that time, At Otopeni (Bucharest, a few kilos away). What he saw that day he will never forget. R.i.P. to all the victims.

@californianative2760 Жыл бұрын

This is a fantastic series! Though I am not a pilot, I am an Ergonomics Engineer and Human Factors Engineer. I did take ground school while in high school as a for-credit class a long while ago. I watch this series to hone my root cause analysis skills. Root cause analysis is a large part of creating design parameters for individual projects in ergonomics and human factors engineering. I am also preparing for chiropractic college. Root cause analysis is a major part of what chiropractic physicians do as primary care physicians. I am melding the two fields. Thus, I am very busy, but use my organizational time, filing paperwork, etc. to watch/listen to these videos. Thank you!

@allisalindo6853 2 жыл бұрын

I've seen other videos about this accident, but this is the best one by far. I learned so many new details. As soon as you mentioned the co-pilot's experience in the beginning of the video, I thought about the attitude indicator differences. When you got to Chapter 9, it started sounding vaguely familiar but I could not remember which accident. But thanks to your thorough approach, I got my answer - I was indeed thinking about that Crossair crash. Shoutout to your awesome Patreon for giving you that piece of the puzzle. Another great video. I really appreciate your factual, non-sensationalized approach. It's very respectful to the crew, passengers, and families left behind.

@adlsfreund 3 жыл бұрын

26:05 The Western artificial horizon is showing a RIGHT bank while the Soviet is showing a LEFT bank. I can see why he might have thought that the plane was level, but the angle between the background and the aircraft symbol should be the same in both versions.

@bossagypsy731 2 жыл бұрын

yes, its an interesting video but the presenter has got the left Western one the wrong way round

@jogabonito8989 2 жыл бұрын

I'm a bit confused why he made such a glaring mistake in the video. Having no experience in flying I found that section super confusing because the western meter visually made no sense to me. But I'm glad my instincts are right. I hope he fixes this

@kablammy7 2 жыл бұрын

It took me a couple of minutes being dazzled at the instruments as I contemplated what the co-pilot may have been experiencing - then I resolved that confusion by realizing that the left AH indicator was a right bank as you stated .

@viggotannhauser7251 2 жыл бұрын

I noticed this as well, as a non-pilot. Strange mistake to make by a pro while explaining the possible misinterpretation of the instrument. Or are we all mistaken? I'm confused.

@jogabonito8989 2 жыл бұрын

@@viggotannhauser7251 We are right. A quick Google search proves that. The strange thing is that not many people noticed this in the comments. And certainly Mentor himself hasn't responded to the error.

@lisaschuster686 2 жыл бұрын

As a person who has never flown an airplane, the Soviet artificial horizon makes slightly more sense to me, since it is, in fact, the airplane that tilts. But as you pointed out, it’s a matter of what you get used to. Thanks for this excellent video.

@kingsleykronkk3925 2 жыл бұрын

I think the opposite. The western system mimics where the horizon actually is. Superimpose the attitude indicator with the horizon and they are the same. It's like x-ray vision through the clouds or night and seeing where the horizon actually is. Same as heads up displays for fighter pilots.

@xeridea 2 жыл бұрын

The western one is more of a first person indicator, rather than a third person. Being inside the plane, and not behind it, the western one seems to make more sense.

@bricaaron3978 2 жыл бұрын

@@kingsleykronkk3925 I agree with you. But conversely, I've always thought that the Soviets got it right with 'cosmonaut' and we got stuck with the not-exactly-accurate and inherently limiting 'astronaut', lol.

@cryptoslacker-464 2 жыл бұрын

Same , it looks more intuitive way to see it than the west version 🙄

@edwardcoe7293 2 жыл бұрын

It's all relative... which is a statement which works in two ways in relation to this issue. :)

@zoeebo 2 жыл бұрын

New subscriber here! I’ve gotten down the rabbit hole of aviation stories lately and have binge-watched countless videos like yours. But I’m really impressed at how well-made your video and I can truly feel your passion for aviation just by hearing you talk! Thanks for making these videos, can’t wait to see more :)

@tomjones2348 2 жыл бұрын

As a non-pilot, I enjoy your presentations because they are so clear and easy to follow. After watching quite a number of yours and other presentations on flight mishaps, it is clear to me that the number one attribute of all members of a flight crew is situational awareness at all times. Now....I'm very curious to know and see some of the new training procedures being used as well as ways that potential flight crew candidates are accurately evaluated for their abilities to think under pressure.

@kurt120032002 3 жыл бұрын

18:22 THE MEMORIAL OF THE VICTIMS OF BALOTESTI At 31 march 1995 , at 08:08, the flight Tarom RO371 going to Brussels, with a plane Airbus A310-324, registered YR-LCC "Muntenia" crashed in the vicinity of this place. 60 people with different nationalities lost their lives in what was then the biggest aeronautic catastrophe in Romania. The monument situated at the end of the alley was build in the memory of those who died then, and was renovated by volunteers in 2017. Please keep the place clean.

@ChancetheCanine 3 жыл бұрын

Mentor, there is another person that does an excellent job on animation of aircraft accidents but he lacks a real airline pilot with a wealth of knowledge as yourself. How you explain these accidents is just fantastic!! Thank you very much!

@ronoconnor8971 Жыл бұрын

When I was in pilot training I had to practice accelerated stalls which always scared me, probably why my instructor made me do them so often. Once they start you need to act quickly. This video reminded me of those times. Thanks

@extremechimpout Ай бұрын

Den här kanalen är sååå bra! Sett på videorna konstant i en vecka snart sen jag hittade den. Tack för underhållningen Mr Mentour 🙏🏻👏🏻

@alpvv 3 жыл бұрын

It is a perfect Swiss cheese model. Anything minor that could be happened, happened in this flight and a major accident occured. Sad. Great video!

@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@NicolaW72 3 жыл бұрын

Yes - and everyone of the minor failings was very seldom to happen, not to talk about alltogether.

@KingoftheJuice18 3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't call the incapacitation of the Captain a minor thing

@alpvv 3 жыл бұрын

@@KingoftheJuice18 Actually what i think is, for a 8.000+hour F/O it should be, if the incapacitation was the only problem

@KingoftheJuice18 3 жыл бұрын

@@alpvv Uh, a man is having a heart attack two feet away from you--and he also was supposed to be helping you fly the plane? Sure, no biggie. SMH

@CaptainJadenAR 3 жыл бұрын

Very sad to see that Captain was incapacitated and F/O didn't know what to do and calling his Captain. It's also very frightening that all passengers are screaming before crashed. It is the most deadly plane crash :( RIP to all on board who died :(

@susieq2334 3 жыл бұрын

Well, deadliest in Romania, not in the world.

@CaptainJadenAR 3 жыл бұрын

Susie Q I know it's not the world's deadliest accident in the world. But thanks for the Country name. Because I don't know which country it crashed. Thanks for that :)

@bogdan_n 3 жыл бұрын

Actually, the FO knew what to do, but unlike today's airlines where a pilot could fly 4 sectors with 4 different colleagues, at that time TAROM had 3 A310 aircrafts and not many pilots typerated for them, so, most likely, more than half of the FO's experience was acquired while flying alongside that captain. That man watched his best friend dying, and even if it was wrong, it was at least understandable for him to be a bit more concerned than in other cases.

@CaptainJadenAR 3 жыл бұрын

Bogdan N Thank you sir for this. I understood the message.

@susieq2334 3 жыл бұрын

@@CaptainJadenAR no problem man!

@MrAkolatronico Жыл бұрын

I have been on a binge lately, watching your videos nonstop. I’m a mechanic in a regional in the US and find myself enjoying your attention to detail in your videos. Thank you for all the time you have vested into these.

@dougdonaho Жыл бұрын

Awesome as always. I’m not a pilot but a year ago or so I was bored and KZfaq looking for something to watch and came across the story of how Doug White landed the plane he and his family were on. It was such an interesting story that I began to look for aviation videos and the ones I watched at first didn’t go into much detail so I would feel like I didn’t have closure like you on this video I just watched. Eventually I came across a video of yours and I’ve been a big fan ever since! You are so good at breaking things down and explaining the parts of the story that we need so we can follow it better. I love all of your content but my favorite aviation stories are the ones that have a happy ending and everyone survives. Like Scully landing in the Hudson River and the gentleman that lost all engines when they flew over the volcano and flew longer than anyone ever has without any engines and did it with a safe landing. I know you have good stories on here and I’d love to see more of those of you can find any. I’ve learned so much by watching you that I feel like I can fly a plane right now….😬✈️

@johnmehaffey9953 3 жыл бұрын

I remember many years ago when I first got interested in aviation accidents the crash investigator said something that has always stuck with me and it was that the pilots job first and foremost was to fly the aircraft and unfortunately so many accidents happen because the pilot forgets that and gets distracted, if the first officer had followed that principle then this could have been averted but he got distracted with what happened to the captain , thoroughly enjoyed your post and looking forward to the next one

@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, thank you

@jeffstillwell6802 2 жыл бұрын

Flying while trying to figure out whether the ill pilot caused a configuration change is not practiced in training. This extreme coincidence occupied a massive percentage of brain capacity trying to see if his hands or feet were affecting any controls….

@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffstillwell6802 No button or switch to hit which would completely take all control over by the copilot no matter what (on his side) the pilot was touching?

@Dr_V 3 жыл бұрын

I was in highschool when this happened. I remember firefighters and policemen so devastated by what they saw at the crash site that were unable to speak coherently in front of the news cameras, some barely holding their tears. Years later in my residency I had the chance to talk to one of the first responders who came in as a patient, he still had nightmares about the event and I was shocked by his description (I won't go into the gruesome details, as there may be kids reading these comments). I'm glad you covered this accident with your usual professionalism and attention to detail, the official investigation was kinda hushed up and the following public statements were rather brief and unsatisfactory. Many people felt a political cover-up, possibly regarding financial issues with the state hold airline, as less than an year prior to the accident there were some controversies about the acquisition and maintenance of those Airbus planes.

@williamsstephens 3 жыл бұрын

It's good for us to be reminded that first responders can be so traumatized by the terrible things they encounter. We owe them all the help we can give to deal with those traumas.

@deandennis2838 Жыл бұрын

The amount of research going into this investigation is astounding. Thank you!!

@johnchapman5393 2 жыл бұрын

I am a retired BA pilot, John Chapman. My history is: Copilot on Vickers Vanguard; Copilot, Flight Engineer and Captain on Lockheed Tristars; Captain on Avro 748; and last 10 years as Captain on Boeing 747-400. I have not flown an Airbus. My comment on this accident is that the Captain should not have been fiddling with the FMC at such a low altitude and immediately after takeoff. The correct action, in my opinion, upon receiving the ATC instruction for the early left turn, was for the Captain to press Heading mode and turn the Heading pointer towards the target fix, an action of 2 or 3 seconds, and to continue to monitor the flight and to keep a lookout, especially upwards and to the left, in the direction of the turn. Plenty of time once the turn is complete to fiddle with the FMC! I am perhaps 'old school', but the fundamental function of the pilot(s) must always be to FLY THE AIRCRAFT!

@marvinstorm9153 Жыл бұрын

Yes. But some airline systems autopilot won't let you as I understand it. Disastrous if this is so.

@johnsutcliffe3209 Жыл бұрын

I am not a pilot. But I'm with you. Re entering code to a computer is not something I would do whilst driving a car let alone flying an aircraft Also. Isn't that computer right next to the thrust lever. So he was actually looking right there? The more of these I watch the more I'm thinking the Auto Pilot is actually inside the pilots head and when something out of the ordinary happens it's down to the pilots ability to re engage his internal manual pilot. Also came to mind that a 3rd officer or flight engineer would have been monitoring engines. This being back in the days when 2 person cockpits where still quite new.

@martinstransky2300 Жыл бұрын

Good to hear that there are still old school pilots in those big airplanes. From some accidents I get the feeling that some pilots are little too reluctant to switch off the autopilot when there is something strange going on and their situation awareness is questionable, while others fly the plane perfectly. I remember the record of stick position in Tu-154 Smolensk tragic accident showing that after the plane stalled few feet over the ground and flips upside down, PIC pushes like he is going to fly the plane inverted. Best possible action, but I believe it must be completely instinctive (I know many aerobatic beginners tend to do the opposite) and this instinct was probably gained from his aerobatic training. Not sure how this is common among non-army pilots.

@emmcee476 6 ай бұрын

I too thought it would have been easier and faster to adjust the heading rather than mess with the FMC. If it was even possible on this particular aircraft

@Suburp212 2 жыл бұрын

This is SUCH a good series. Thanks.

@MentourPilot 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you find it interesting!

@matty6848 2 жыл бұрын

Isn’t it just. For me the best Aviation channel you KZfaq👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@Maxfli82 2 жыл бұрын

I agree. The fact that it’s coming from a pilot and his knowledge is very different from all the other aircraft accident investigation channels.

@samhhaincat2703 2 жыл бұрын

@@Maxfli82 He also doesn't treat us like we're idiots. I like that he uses technical information and more complicated language than the "accessible" TV shows. To me, the only thing I miss about those shows is the interviews with the people involved.

@Jonathan_Doe_ 2 жыл бұрын

Like seconds from disaster or air crash investigation, but straight to the point, the survivor interviews are interesting sometimes, but all the re-enactments with bad actors are terrible.

@di7787 2 жыл бұрын

I will always remember this - My father was flying back to Otopeni that very day and we went to pick him up. We had heard about a plane crash but didn't know details (departing or arriving), so we went in with lots of fear. Only when we saw him coming up on the corridor did we finally feel relief.

@DanRoett Жыл бұрын

I was a student pilot years ago. Life happens, so I never finished my training. With that said, your content is great. I can't get enough of your videos. Thank you again.

@christopherwells7306 Жыл бұрын

Definitely earned my subscription. I’m an aviation buff. Retired from the Firefighter/Paramedic. I always had an internet in aviation incidents. Mainly because of the chain of errors that have to occur for a crash to occur. The take away for me is everything is important. Everything matters and when things go bad they go bad quickly.

@AleXmShef 3 жыл бұрын

At 26:05, western attitude indicator actually shows 53 degree RIGHT bank angle, as opposed to the description in the video. The differences between Western and Soviet built PFDs You describe are correct, however, the graphics is wrong. It's still possible that your theory about copilot's confusion is correct, though. Despite that, very great video! Keep up the good work.

@TheGegedudu 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I agree 100% with you

@SRafique100 2 жыл бұрын

I agree too.

@TIO540S1 2 жыл бұрын

Clearly.

@frapell 2 жыл бұрын

Yup... doesn't matter whether the horizon moves or the little plane moves, they would look the same relative to each other on either bank... could be that the pilot was confused, but this explanation is not quite correct.

@hoekbrwr 3 жыл бұрын

I am not other than a casual FS2020 pilot and I always have had interpretation difficulties with the virtual horizon instrument and as you brought this item that it is different in Russian airplanes I immediately understood what the airplane was by looking to the VH(Russian way). So this should be in all training a very important point when a pilot with Russian system experience to turn over the brain to the other situation! BTW excellent explanations about these accidents. Even better than the very detailed documentaries of Geographic Channel! There might be this other thing in the cockpit where the copilot(now being 1st officer) does not dare to correct the captain's responsibilities and did not look after the throttle, because this was clearly put into the hands of the captain.

@clifflong1203 2 жыл бұрын

You do a very excellent job and detailed explanation! Thank you for taking the time to share with us!

@nupynup Жыл бұрын

Excellent! The type of documentary that I particularly engage in watching: point and explain, without unnecessary emphasizing

@blthetube1 2 жыл бұрын

I really appreciate the depth of detail Peter puts into his explanation. It brings home a whole different respect for pilots and what they and all professionals have to go through.

@TVCeker 3 жыл бұрын

I'm Romanian and thanks to your detailed breakdown, now I know what happened there. Love your content and I hope you'll get better soon!

@eduardobayley4018 3 жыл бұрын

It is clear to me that there is too much Avionics that end affecting the ability to fly. Pilots should get back to a PA 11 and renew their skills. The A Horizon was in your video showing the attitude of the plane all the time and at the begining it was easy to correct the problem. It us quite worrying to think that these crews can only fly strait and leveled. The training should put them back to the flying basics even it should include some basic acrobatic manuvers. Excellent your videos Cogratulations from Argentina

@richardbailey64 Жыл бұрын

Great video very well presented as usual. Very sad but the learning process and improvements put in place resulting from these fatal and non-fatal incidents is so well explained.

@derwoodsdiy7710 Жыл бұрын

I will not admit I binge watch your videos. Maybe I do or maybe I do. One thing is certain. A person turning their passion into a valuable, err priceless community has been accomplished here. You are such a brilliant and competent man. Your ability to teach, speak, explain, and mentor is top notch…and you can fly CA? Mind blowing. This is what happens when passion and skill are perfectly aligned. Millions gather.

@onlymurgs 2 жыл бұрын

That point Dimitri made was a VERY good one. Looking at it, you can see how a quick decision in the wrong direction would have been fatal

@peckyneckyfilms 3 жыл бұрын

I remember this very well. This flight went down the day before I went to India for the first time. The day after the incident on 1st April, I flew to New DelhiI on a Tarom flight, via Bucharest. It was supposed to be a standard 3 or 4 hour transit at Bucharest. When we got to Bucharest, we learnt that all flights were grounded and we were to stay in a hotel overnight in the city. It was upsetting knowing that we flying with aircrew who has lost friends and colleagues the day before.

@Mahmoud-lq5fw Жыл бұрын

Excellent work as usual, detailed and highly informative.

@christopherchilders1049 2 жыл бұрын

Love how you explain things so clearly I feel as if I could fly a big plane after watching your videos. I’ve never even flew a kite

@BertiAir 3 жыл бұрын

At 26:05 the Western artificial horizon is not drawn correctly for a left turn; it shows a right turn. Indeed it's easy to get confused...

@kablammy7 2 жыл бұрын

@AwestrikeFearofGods 2 жыл бұрын

Beat me to it.

@jief85l42 2 жыл бұрын

I also tried to report that. I’m surprised that the video is not corrected. How come mentour didn’t catch that ??

@cristearemus2127 3 жыл бұрын

My Brother should have been on this flight to Brussel, but a last minute call, made him to cancel his ticket. After the plane was anounced as crashed in Balotesti my Brother and us, realised what a lucky coincidence it was to get that call that made him cancel that flight to Brussel. Anyway,it was a verry sad incident that shouldn't happen. R.I.P. to the one's that died on the crash. Thank you @MENTOUR PILOT for the great content's of youre video's.

@martintheiss4038 3 жыл бұрын

reason it takes a year or two to write up these MoT reports is that the experts would like to firmly know how this can teach the flying public how to be safer persons in the aviation community, such as technical and service improvements.

@michaelthompson9548 3 жыл бұрын

I always wonderee about these things. There is a very real possibility thins crash would never have happened had he got on that flight. Events would have occured differently at the airport due to luggage and weight calculation, delays etc. The pilot may have been crook before or after or not at all. A butterfly in America could technically cause a tsunami in Japan if it were to make one single change.

@simonbone 3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelthompson9548 Exactly. Accidents take so many unlikely factors to occur, it's possible that a seemingly trivial change might have made the difference that would prevent it from happening at all. (For example, if the plane had been held up for a minute or two by a passenger slow to board, the captain might have suffered his heart attack before the takeoff roll.) We will never know.

@mxyzptlyk 3 жыл бұрын

I feel for you. My wife and I had reservations on Pan Am 103. We missed it because I had a last minute work commitment. and had to re-schedule.

@nicholasgardiner9601 3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelthompson9548 Certainly not, poetic speculative malarkey.

@Lalitaditya100 Жыл бұрын

Your KZfaq channel is absolute class , thank you mentour for keeping me entertained with the best episodes every time !!

@federicoprice2687 Жыл бұрын

Petter, thank you yet again for an absolutely superb explanation and analysis of this tragic accident. Non plus ultra.

@ionuttataru742 3 жыл бұрын

Very tragic event 😥 many thanks from România for your great work!

@greatflyer_aviation 3 жыл бұрын

The holes of the Swiss cheese model perfectly aligned.

@caput_in_astris 3 жыл бұрын

@Gary Hochstetler don’t agree. Am afraid the chain of event (the aligned swiss cheese) could have happened with any pilot/company

@caput_in_astris 3 жыл бұрын

@Gary Hochstetler Having an entry in the tech logbook isn’t unusual and doesn’t qualify the aircraft to be defective. But am just a private pilot thus mindful it might be different on commercial planes

@iulianrusu8197 3 жыл бұрын

@Gary Hochstetler In the video it is said that every time they reported it, the airvraft was brought in for repaors and they followed the recommendations from Airbus, that is lubricating the parts and changing the bearings. However, it looks like the problem would occur nevertheless. What else could they do ? They changed the entire part. They knew they weren't more knowledgeable than Airbus, so they followed what they said

@PleaseDontFeedTheAnimals 3 жыл бұрын

Cheeeeessee Gromit lad

@abikeanditsboy3449 3 жыл бұрын

@Gary Hochstetler - The report seemed to leave out a critical cause of the crash which was, once again, a failure in an aircraft's automation initiated this whole sequence of events. Tasks pilots used to do are now automated and what used to be muscle memory is now lost. This crash would never have happened with a pilot moving those levers. A human brain would have immediately recognized a lever was sticking and compensated for it. A computer can only do what it's programmed to do, it doesn't have the capacity to think. So the engineers foolishly told the computer to keep pulling back on both levers until they both were at climb out power never even considering the possibility that they could go asymmetric. This was a disaster waiting to happen. How do I know the engineers didn't consider the problem, I don't, but if you think about it why would you not monitor position sensors on the thrust levers and monitor other engine sensors to determine if you were going into asymmetric thrust and stop pulling on the dang thrust levers _and_ alert the pilots of the condition? There's two possibilities, 1) management overruled you do to TTM excuses, Boeing, or 2) you didn't think of it, Airbus.

@erkansalim1219 2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate these series, factual and non biased narrative and informative

@Fee.1 2 жыл бұрын

I really enjoy this series. Especially showing the controls in the airplane in question. On MH 134 I loved seeing how the BUSSY system works once you turn off the 3 pito tubes or whatever they’re called, since they were covered and couldn’t read air speed anyway

@a1superfantastic 2 жыл бұрын

I can't say how much I appreciate your channel, specifically your reconstruction of aircraft mishaps. I'm an amateur aviation enthusiast as well as a forensics geek and love to watch how agencies like the NTSB, AAIB, TSB and others piece together what went wrong from available evidence. Some shows are better than others but all tend to be a little Hollywoody, which is why I love your simplified yet technical approach. I appreciate the time and work that goes into each episode, and am loving your other content as well. Great job -I'd love to see more like it!