how is your comment older than the video

12:38 would be happy to do the "french translation" if needed ... juste ask next time😉

@@chrisday4845 you must be fun at parties

_"It was a dark and stormy night..."_

_"Tower, can I get my clearance in Klingon?"_

That executive must not have flown anything with passengers before...or at all. Costs can be recouped...dead passengers cannot be recouped.

That answer is priceless. I hope you didn’t get in trouble for that answer and I hope it’s knocked some sense into the executive.

Got him there!

Did it land safely 😢

@@jeffjerrymedia.6232 Eventually when it was safe and legal to do

sure just don't be on the other flight

Totally agree

Totally agree❤

Believe me when I say that me and my Examiner colleagues are doing everything we can to stop that from happening. This crash serves as a stark reminder of why thats so important

KQ management and pilots, mmemulikwa!!

Coming straight to the USA too. You send the news that less flight hours are acceptable to fly now? It's terrible

I wouldn't call it under qualified, more like lack of discipline and zero interpersonal skills.

@@maxwellyegoOfficial I have a captain as a friend and we fly sometimes together on xplane espacialy in covid time when he was home. And he told me that im actually more orientated than A LOT pilots he flight with that was crazy to hear

She would have remarried because the lady is still young

rest in peace to your uncle ):

​@ejidikesamuel4540 he just told you she never remarried. Are you really this ignorant to tell him what his own family has or hasn't done? 🤯

Sorry for that

​@@felixschrodinger7533😊

You are more than welcome. I hope it answered some of your questions.. 😔

It exposed a lot about KQ and forced them to make the crucial changes. But honestly, the price was extremely high. May they RIP

Wametufikia. Not sure how to feel about it, but I knew this study would hit Captain Mentours' desk. I remember the devastation felt in the country when this plane went down. The incompetence was mind-blowing

This incident really got to me. All those lives lost because of ego and arrogance. Needless. The final report read like the Captain's training record. It's stunning to me that many airlines weren't regularly training upset recovery until fairly recently, and a lot of people had to die. But more training wouldn't have helped his dangerous core issues. Arrogance is different than ego, in that an arrogant person thinks they know it all, no need to learn, thus training is not very effective. Learning is a very humble and lifelong thing, but people often quit ("set in your ways").

​@@Lexlugr I'm so sorry, it's was a needless, hard tragedy, and really got to me, so I can only imagine. RIP all.

My nephew is an FO for a major US carrier. He’s mentioned this generational issue can also occur with Asian pilots due to a similar cultural deference.

There should be none of that older / younger generation rubbish. It should be based on respect for each other and the fact that you the younger pilot has paid his dues to be there!!

Very true especially with older captains.

Very sad captain

😢

Thanks that does explain how he might have been too intimidated to say anything.

I'm so sorry. A hard incident to hear, so I can only imagine. Likely the FO knew early on that things were becoming unsafe, and did what he could, but had been forced into submission. I really feel for him and what he went through in his last hours of life, as there's no way to overcome this personality defect (some of us have spent a lifetime with no success!). The captain should have been passing on his knowledge and experience, as a good example, if nothing else, not berating and bullying his FO. RIP all who lost their lives here.

I´m very sorry for you. And yes, the CVR contained really a shocking behaviour of this Captain - in fact there was no space for this Captain in a Cockpit on scheduled Passenger Flights and it was a serious mistake of the Company to promote him to the role of a Pilot-in-Command after they had detected his shortcomings.

It is not funny that you remember where you were when you heard about this, but that's just how our brains work. We tend to remember the details of what we were doing and where we were when we received shocking news. Many people vividly remember where they were when they heard about the 9/11 tragedy. I certainly do. Similarly, I can recall not just the short period of time when I received news of the death of some of my relatives, but also what I was doing in these days before the news. Perhaps you can relate to this experience as well, not just in this specific incident

Were the ceo and cfo on the plane?

Shocking isn't it

Yes. This was a case of Captain Ego. Sadly they exist I've run into more than I ever should have in my lifetime. It never ends well for them.

Thank you for your service

You’re right.

I also do the same....its wild

Surprisingly, mbanga in my country Kenya means Accident

......❤.......😢

I noticed in the comments section that the government of Kenya wasn’t much help and wrote it off as being caused by bad weather. In my opinion, that’s a very poor way of providing closure to the friends and families of the victims. I’m glad Mentour Pilot was able to do so for your family because the worst thing for the family of a victim who died in a plane crash is not knowing why.

So very sorry to hear this❤

I know what you mean, for me the episode about Air France 447 was hard to watch

Thank this pale for what

​@@reckontonottobemoved not very lovely mother of love 😂

This is when I got to know that we Africans our pride will kill us

Heard this 1st by @AbelMutua

Thank you my friend!

Indeed. I think it is a lot of work

I was just thinking the same thing. The re enactments in Microsoft flight simulator are top notch and must take forever to make, from finding the correct models in the correct livery to the actual airport. I'm always impressed. The one where the captain got sucked out the cockpit window mid flight was a masterpiece. Keep up the good work!

This is a great job

​@@MentourPilot Is this criticism that is positive done by you to pilots all over the world?

I knew one of the crew, Lydia, it was so sad

@@fifirose6123 sad indeed. I knew her as well we were colleagues. A truly jovial lady from Kisii.

Stop your village arrogance.Soon nobody would fly Kenya airways...

Hello Freddy am Robert have seen you have commented on mentor pilot and decided to say hae. I will love to be a pilot in Kenya am already a graduate from Maseno university, is there anyway you can help

@@Rubanifarms Sorry I am not in any position to assist you with your career progression. I was working there in 2006-7 and left forever. Good luck though.

Much love back. 💕

@First Last thank you ☺️ karibu tena.

@@MentourPilot im from uk but in kenya 🥰✊🏽

Greetings from Chicago!

@First Last Jambo. You're welcome again. We love hosting visitors.

Absolutely, without a doubt.

If a career is not right for you, it is better you recognise it early on. I love flying, but I would not be a good pilot as I am rubbish at Maths and direction!! I work in an ED as a senior nurse, and I guess many pilots couldn’t cope that either 😂❤

@@kerryoxford9232 Indeed, exactly. And to prevent huge frustration and a shattered self-confidence - and not at least: waste of lifetime.

Yep, especially with careers which can put lives on the line. It's not a big deal if you go into advertising by mistake, but a pilot, a doctor, a military officer, all those kinds of positions *have* to be filled by the right people.

@@kerryoxford9232 I get that, I’m not emotionally suited for it. I’m not constructed for confinement and boredom.

Sorry to hear that

Indeed 😔

Any time someone tried to explain to my father that his behaviour was causing a lot of people problems, he instantly started talking about himself and the struggles he’d been facing as if it somehow excused all the horrible things he’d done. I had no choice but to cut him off because we need to look after ourselves sometimes too, not try and help those who can’t even care about you. I empathise with anyone stuck in a relationship with a narcissist, whether it’s a sibling, friend, lover or parent. Or in this case unfortunately, pilot.

Yep, a very good description!

​@@Yuki-di2rb You did well. Toxic people needs to be removed from your life, even if it is someone as close as a father or brother. It will hurt a lot but it will pay off!

@@Yuki-di2rb Yes, making everything about themselves - also typical. Countless excuses to why they're mean, so they don't need to do anything about it. They always give us bad experiences and trauma, so better to part ways, unfortunately even when these are your parents - if possible. As you say, it's a matter of self care to do it. That's why this knowledge is so important in every walk of life. Also in aviation. Unfortunately I think this is not the first time a horrible accident happened where this personality contributed.

Exactly

I Remember on how this incidence was uncovered in the Stormy Cockpit Episode... Whereby due to lack of situational awareness, the captain panicked and then everything went downhill from there... If only he had managed to stay calm and let the autopilot to steer the plane back into control...

Even flying on my PC, I monitor my gauges every 2-3 seconds out of habit. I think the problem is that you get complacent as flying larger planes is very much like steering a big boat and the feedback is very delayed. Large inputs tend to not end well as it just makes things worse. Certainly not yanking in every direction in a panic.

Problem of buying exams to get into courses one does not qualify for.

I´m sorry for your loss.

I hope you got some closure from watching this video.

Sorry for your loss.

@@NicolaW72 Thank you .

@@Powerranger-le4up Thank you. It helped explain quite a lot.

I’m glad you got closure. I read in other comments that Kenya’s government wasn’t exactly helpful in giving answers and wrote it off as caused by bad weather.

Yes, and I would underline that he killed those people. If one single mistake in a perfectly fine aircraft makes it to go down, I would name that "killing".

@@Delibro I agree …so sad 😢

@@wanjikuk7662 But reading the comments, it is so wholesome to hear so many Kenyans writing their thoughts and connections about this flight.

@@Delibro I noticed it as well. And Petter gave them the answers that Kenya’s government failed to do.

With every pilot/co-pilot! So important to work together at all times!

If you litsened to the story or followed the tragedy since 2007 you'll realize problem was not so called inexperienced junior , it was so called experienced officer

b737 is better than B777

How did that happen

@@saintmjin how is the 73 better than the 77 😂

@@rayanaltowayan9558 that was my little son =]]

Julien daddy miss you I hope you find this.

this. The focus on the effects of psychology and workplace atmosphere especially

@@cdreid9999 absolutely, especially understanding and accepting human limitations, and designing processes that work with them to improve performance rather than actively being counterproductive. The most depressing of these accidents are where it would have been completely avoided if the junior pilot had just felt comfortable questioning his superiors decisions.

Yeah thats kinda fucked up tho .. how " normal " workplaces could learn ? Dont forget those flight companies make ALOT of fking money . And you think they all work fine and efficient ? I can tell you its every single fking time they are not working . And also , sure those people have to learn alot , but dont forget why they come up with really efficient systems . If they would make the same money without investing in new safer systems while people dying , they would not invest the money in safer systems .

​@@cdreid9999 I could bot possibly agree more with smth! You're my hero this morning lol, the other commenter here too. People with brains, refreshing.

why? african elders believe in witchcraft. they do not know shit

Same

I do what i can! Thank you for supporting.

@carlitocanadiancool6516 considering its safer than driving, no it absolutely shouldn't

@NHL 2K10 that’s just not accurate. If you are to forbid things based on how dangerous they are, you will have to start with things like motorcycles and cars.

@@carlitocanadiancool6516 I highly suggest you look at some numbers of annual losses of life in relation to passenger volumes in air traffic compared to other forms of transport. Be ready for a shock, as what you will find out may have an impact on your worldview.

There was also the ivory coast accident.... Year 2000 if I am not wrong

@@that_bloke_kiri There was. I’m still surprised that 10 people survived the crash of Flight 431

Legend, best wishes as he enjoys his retirement

Airplanes are the safest means of transportation.Airplane accidents are preplanned to sacrifice people.I hate this because it's all bad politics to kill people.

Why? You should be more happier if a Kenyan cover it

I can’t imagine how she felt. No one wants to outlive their children like that…hopefully his soul is at peace, and hers as well. I wouldn’t fault the first officer for anything, with the captain being a giant asshat. I hope his mom knows that in her heart.

2007 to 2023.. Lots has happened to improve all piloting skills all around the world. Thank goodness.

Keep flying that airline if you have a death wish. A lot of unbelievably dangerous incompetence and cutting of corners going on behind the scenes and it will culminate in something disastrous...then there will be a commission of inquiry...thats the Kenyan style

@@marehemudanielarapmoi6424 😂😂sasa what airlines should they fly no pilot is willingly going to endanger themselves and their passengers. No matter how many corners KQ cut the decision is always to the pilots . They don’t get paid well enough for them to take off with a plane that’s not up to code.Kenya,SA and Ethiopia produce the best pilots on the continent. It’s good to give credit where credit is due and not demonize a whole industry

Flight 431 was caused by pilot error where the first officer responded improperly to a false stall warning.

Damn

I never knew there was another kq accident apart from this

I am sorry for your loss. I lost two friends and colleagues on KQ 431

Sounds like a good thing 😂

Yeah he has a very good script

Glad to hear that 💕

I hope you got some closure.

I must agree with you as a Kenyan that accident has never been clearly explained. Thank you Mentour Pilot for the closer

People

Ikr? Yikes!

Terrifying. Some real morons out there. This man killed dozens of people with his arrogance and incompetence.

May they rest in peace.

I remember too. We were so traumatized but never got any professional counseling. It was business as usual immediately afterwards. I can remember passenger numbers being so low amidst the somber mood. Life had to continue. Had to stay strong and hold tears while working.

Indeed, exactly.

Yes.

You said it better than I, incompetence is polite for what I was thinking.

He's done a great job.. trying to simplify flight technical stuff

I Remember on how this incidence was uncovered in the Stormy Cockpit Episode... Whereby due to lack of situational awareness, the captain panicked and then everything went downhill from there... If only he had managed to stay calm and let the autopilot to steer the plane back into control...

From what I’ve read in other comments, Kenya’s government wasn’t much help since they basically wrote it off as bad weather.

All companies should screen their employees, especially when what they do puts the public’s lives at risk.

@@fortye7 Pilots with an arrogant or condescending attitude towards other crew should be retired before they cause an accident!

I know. This pilot was such a hack. Such a fool. And a tool that got hundreds killed. If it hadn’t killed 100+, his recovery efforts would have been hilarious. Him just randomly yanking the yoke left and right. Just hoping he might get lucky. 🤦‍♂️

I don't understand why an airline would promote to Commander a person who showed serious issues in CRM and personal attitude, even when being subordinate. It's bad to have a Second-in-Command like that, but outright hazardous to have a Commander like that! Is there such a shortage of Captains that they need to promote people that aren't up to that role?

Because Peter is calm, collected and professional at all times which is pretty much a crucial necessity for good pilots to have especially when it comes to emergencies. Sully Sullenberger is a great example

I’ve heard that culture can sometimes play a part. Korean Airlines had some safety issues because of how Korean culture influenced their training.

Are you implying that we have a closed culture ? That may be your opinion but from a professional standpoint it’s not factual.

@@a.nasongo3152 I think what she’s trying to say is that the culture of some countries can have an effect on pilot training and unintentionally compromise safety. Kenyan culture is not bad, but when it comes to aviation, it is vitally important that crew members work as a team now matter how big the age gap is.

Colonial culture imposed that in professions.

@@martino6205 Haha.. ya sure mate. It's colonialisms fault. Having respect for one's elders can't possibly be something inherent to a culture by itself right? All the colonized countries were just blank slates before the evil whities came.

Well said!!

When I'm watching a video on an accident I'm unfamiliar with, it haunts me to hear "maximum altitude reached" since I then immediately know the aircraft is doomed.

I am a pilot and Im planing to crash my next flight with 200 people on board , hope you won't be on that flight ... this will become very important soon ...

And even if you don't notice it immediately, there were many, _many_ opportunities to notice it before things started going south. And then once it was noticed, he engaged it and then disengaged it again in a panic? How does anyone with that much experience know so little about how to do their job?

@@raerohan4241 he knows somebody who knows somebody there was this AF pilot who happens to be in the good old boys club, somehow managed to pilot a b52 bomber, after several complaints about how unsafe he is for YEARS, he finally crashed the b52 into the ground killing himself and the crew, because he likes push to the limits which at that point was way past the limits, so the whole chain of command he was under also had to go, because they known about it and always cover up for that jerk, i guess they are jerks themselves, you know, jerks looking out for jerks at the expense of other people's lives, smh

The problem with the experienced pilots is complacency

I think the worst thing was his panic response, to just start yanking the controls one way and then the other without paying any attention to the flight instruments is crazy for an experienced pilot. Aren't they trained how to recover the aircraft from situations like this?

I wish airline's too were designed with an auto pilot warning light when not engaged

I have this for my wireless earplugs when the battery low and it’s not too distracting when doing tasks. I can see why it would be a good idea as a pilot. Reduces the human error. There is one when it’s disconnected, right?

You had so much awareness at 3? 😆

​@Freddy O yes! Some ppl do. Myself included.

Hope wewe ni mrembo😍😍,are you taken🤗

@@UnknownUser-in1ok 😂😂😂😂 wow

2007...3yrs...what are you saying

I certainly hope so. It shouldn’t take people dying for something to done, but sadly, it’s how tombstone technology works. It’s only when a body count is built that anything is ever done.

haha, not sure how to think about your "flight instructor" :)

Yes, people die in hundreds to keep you entertained.

Very cool story. I have been flying and landing a single engine aircraft once and it was as exciting as non-elegant ;-) Let me add there has been a professional instructor sitting next to me.

There’s an up-and- coming channel that you might want to add to your rotation: Green Dot Aviation. Doesn’t have quite the polish of Mentour Pilot, but does have a similar approach of informing and investigating without sensationalism.

@@JosieJOK Green Dot is one of my new faves. Basically Air Crash Investigation without the 'repeating-the-same-info-before-and-after-the-non-existent-ad-break' waffle that I can't stand anymore. They get the 'mystery' element going too, not revealing too much at the start to keep you guessing. The Irish accent also helps. Good suggestion!

the captain knows someone who knows someone which is why he was given so many chances, if he haven't, his career would have been over a long time ago

or..... CERTAINLY not have rostered them together.

Mentour, l love your flight analysis & appreciate all the research & preparation you do. I know it is hard work & quite time consuming. In that lve watched many of your episodes, l always stick my head in & tell the pilots "thank you". Im afraid this question will slip out next: "Please raise your hand if you are the person who actually looked at and checked the "pitot tubes for patency" 😳

As a person who works in occupational health and safety I would say he's a gold standard in just general incident investigation communication, I struggle to imagine an industry that does a better job of responding to incidents, investigating and making changes. I'm sure it's there but the aviation industry and petter specifically are definitely very impressive.

Right? I wish I could request that only Petter or Kelsey (from the 74Gear channel) fly me around 😂

in my case the anxiety during take off and landing increased, having learned (through this channel) how most crashes are happening in those instances and mostly by human error. I tend to 'dive' into my headphones and ignore the surroundings. I prefer not to be aware of a possible fatal crash on it's way.

​@@sachadee.6104 No you should be, while yes most incidents are on takeoff or landing the generally lower speed and altitude means you have a good chance of surviving the crash but then it's a matter of 90 seconds to get out before the fire can become overwhelming. So it's the most critical part to be aware of your surroundings. In a smoke filled, possibly overturned cabin full of panicked passengers having briefly counted how many rows you're from an exit can be the difference between a few bruises and burning alive. Not the most positive thought but if anything I would pay the most attention then. After that in cruise it's ulikely something would happen and if it does there is lots of altitude to figure out the problem. It's not that particularily many mistakes or problems happen during the beginning and end of flights but that you don't have the altitude to recover. Besides you would notice. A fatal crash at low altitude is usually pretty... violent. Like here. Not eveb the fanciest noise cancelling headphones and loudest of music will prevent you from seeing the end coming. But it's fast. Here it was 7 seconds from the last possible chance of recovery to the crash. If you're anxious you might also sit by the wings. Necessarily due to the loads it's by far the toughest part of the liner and although it depends where you have the best chance on how the crash happens, it's the most likely to have survivors, g forces are absorbed as your co-passengers are squished up front and if the aircraft breaks apart it'll generally be into three parts, midsection with the wings, aft and cockpit plus first class. Really first class are stagistically the most deadly seats. So I guess that's nice. A few fat millionaires to absorb the impact forces for the peasants aft. Plus in the midsection you are likely to have the most access to exits with the overwing ones and a set in front and behind you. So if some are blocked you have good chances to get out fast. But 40 million flights a year and statistically a fatal incident a few times a decade. Even the walk to your car is more dangerous not speak of the drive to the airport. Getting into a car in the US is a 1/5000 roll of the dice if you die. Long distance flight on a jetliner is 1/50 million. The latest gen 737 somewhat ruined the statistics globally and in the US there have been periods of 10 years with no fatality only interrupted by a passenger prematurely exiting through a window after an explosive decompression (seatbelts, just keep em loose but always on when seated, could save you a headache if some unexpected turbulence shows up).

@@user-lv7ph7hs7l thx for the long "reassuring". I do count rows to exits and allways have seatbelts fastened. For the rest I don't look up and aroubd much.

Sorry to hear that. I hope this video answered done questions though

@@MentourPilot It has helped and I am really thankful for the details in all your videos. Fascinating stuff and very important life lessons in there. I feel like almost all professions require the same kind of care and presence.

They are called boomers..idiots😢

I certainly noticed. Some of the people who commented lost friends and relatives in that crash and I’m glad they got some closure.

I can imagine..

When you said "these guys" that's a general term I guess! What did you exactly meant? If I may ask? Thank you!

Hello there , while I agree with what you are saying I need to just make sure you are aware that these Queens in the left seat also exist. I have unfortunately had the displeasure of flying with one of them before.

Agree. I worked in the medical field under similar "Kings" and "Queens" . Doctors, nurses, nurses aides. And sadly patients are injured and die. Often it is their upbringing pride, and any questioning of them leads to verbal fights, and workplace violence. I was so disgusted working with these people I left the profession. As you know medical errors kill hundreds of thousands of patients each day.

@@DeeDee-lz8zx thanks. Medicine has become the opposite of collegiality.

Autocratic cockpit gradient in summary

Aww, those are nice words to hear. Thank you

I know, right? Those TV aircraft accident investigations are so sensationalist and unnecessarily bloated in contrast. You have the same segments being repeated over and over again just to "build up tension". That's what generally differentiates quality KZfaq content from traditional TV imo - there's pure CONTENT instead of bullshit. If something has content for 15 minutes, it's 15 minutes long, not 1:30 hours...

@@MentourPilot you are welcome.

@ I used to love them. But they are just people screaming. Ugh. And very little detail once the great "secret" is revealed at the very end...

I had just been enrolled into boarding school that year so I completely missed all of this. None of our teachers ever mentioned it either. At least I came upon this properly explained coverage of the accident.

@@mia.__ I mean it was immensely overlookedin school but the media would say its just bad weather

Aww, that’s lovely to hear!

@@MentourPilot , you are always very meticulous in your analysis of each incident / accident. You are my Mentour