Is The King A Horrible Movie? Review

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Metatron

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4 жыл бұрын

After watching the full movie I can now give you my opinion on multiple aspects of this Netflix production, the amrour, weapons, combat, something about the battle, acting, plot, character development and much more.
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@gelul12
@gelul12 4 жыл бұрын
there is half swording.... use of daggers to stab in weak points. Stabbing in the helmet slits. Use of war hammers and spear s against armor. People actually getting tired. pulling knights down to immobilize them and finish em off. They did a lot right imo
@jedyzichterman358
@jedyzichterman358 4 жыл бұрын
Noticed that as well. No magic swords cleaving through cardboard level effectiveness armor
@amicableenmity9820
@amicableenmity9820 4 жыл бұрын
That was the highlight of the movie for me. Finally some more realistic "sword fighting" that wasn't just clashing swords against each other or stabbing an opponent in the armor and them suddenly dying.
@zachary8491
@zachary8491 4 жыл бұрын
These few shots showing realistic 1vs1 fights were the only positive moments in the movie
@snowmanleblanc6053
@snowmanleblanc6053 4 жыл бұрын
But do they have MACHIOLATIONS?
@StickWithTrigger
@StickWithTrigger 4 жыл бұрын
i just wish the script and pacing received the same care, the battles were really good but everything else was just meh.
@thumbwarriordx
@thumbwarriordx 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly I love the shitty duel. My favorite part of the movie. Not the highly choreographed and meticulous fight scene we'd expect of professional knights and hollywood blockbusters. Just a couple of noble dipshits rolling in the mud trying and failing not to get rondel'd in the neck.
@NoneNone-dw1jo
@NoneNone-dw1jo 4 жыл бұрын
thumbwarriordx Rey vs Kylo Ren
@dmanbiker
@dmanbiker 4 жыл бұрын
This is also one of the only films I've seen the actors actually fighting with helmets on. During the last battle, they have them off to show some emotion, but otherwise, most of the time they actually have them on.
@bloodwynn
@bloodwynn 4 жыл бұрын
I loved this movie immediately for this duel. Never seen such duel in the movie before. :)
@13thcentury
@13thcentury 4 жыл бұрын
Shitty duel? They went in and wrestled about. That's how real fights work.
@jjmbeausoleil
@jjmbeausoleil 4 жыл бұрын
The duel was hilarious...ridiculous.
@douglaspkeatingjr3232
@douglaspkeatingjr3232 4 жыл бұрын
My issue in the movie was- how would any of the armored knights tell who’s friend or foe? I noticed no distinguishing differences between combatants during the battle sequence.
@edoardoprevelato6577
@edoardoprevelato6577 4 жыл бұрын
Well, it's realistic. Only real way to distinguish factions was color of surcoat or gambeson and/or shield paint. Maybe flags and banners for groups.
@Ragnarok__
@Ragnarok__ 4 жыл бұрын
Take a look at the illustrative image of the video at 14:53 and you will see how easy it was to distinguish an English from a French.
@Philtopy
@Philtopy 4 жыл бұрын
@@Ragnarok__ thx Bro. Also in REAL Battles the combatants tried to stick in formation so they can't be picked off alone.
@user-bl4oq7fd8d
@user-bl4oq7fd8d 4 жыл бұрын
@@Philtopy Abd they would speak different languages :P
@EvsEntps
@EvsEntps 4 жыл бұрын
@@Beakerz857 The problem with that assumption is that it flies in the face of what we saw on the screen: Henry confidently took down several enemy knights in quick succession. Clearly he knew who was friend and who was foe, but we the audience couldn't tell, which makes the acting inconsistent with the setting. I was certainly left with the same questions as OP: how does he know who's friend and who's foe and how is he so confident that his knowledge is correct in all that muddy chaos with similar armour worn by everyone?
@Fluffy52600
@Fluffy52600 4 жыл бұрын
To be fair, a vast majority of the arrows in the movie did just bounce off the armor. Only a percentage hit effectively. Those that did were shown more clearly though.
@Mklebs
@Mklebs 4 жыл бұрын
I was about to point out the same + arrows were used against horses also and it shows
@Desh727
@Desh727 4 жыл бұрын
To be faaaaiiiiiiii...
@SantomPh
@SantomPh 4 жыл бұрын
seems everyone forgot Alexander's tactics- caltrops, slingers, spearmen, peltasts and disciplined infantry that could just open ranks and trap the cavalry. Or Robert de Brus' uses of schiltrons offensively to impale English knights
@Robert399
@Robert399 4 жыл бұрын
I think the effect of the arrows on the overall cavalry charge was actually pretty good. It was just brought down a bit by the explicit shots of arrows penetrating breastplates.
@wulfheort8021
@wulfheort8021 Жыл бұрын
Does not matter, you still see arrows punch straight through the armor, which is nonsense.
@thameralhajeri3173
@thameralhajeri3173 4 жыл бұрын
Netflix: next up willam the conqueror The movie name: the conqueror king
@septillion2501
@septillion2501 4 жыл бұрын
I’d watch that, they should cast Ansel Elgort 😉
@crusaderofthelowlands3750
@crusaderofthelowlands3750 4 жыл бұрын
Netflix: next up Richard the Lionheart. The movie name: The Lion King.
@r.p.4756
@r.p.4756 4 жыл бұрын
Netflix: next up Jesus H Christ Movie name: the king king
@oneparticularlysmartape
@oneparticularlysmartape 4 жыл бұрын
Netflix: Next up Henry VIII Movie name: The Fat King.
@Mr_Chode
@Mr_Chode 4 жыл бұрын
@@crusaderofthelowlands3750 You won.
@Caesar2k1
@Caesar2k1 4 жыл бұрын
Hiring reenactors for movies have been done-Gettysburg
@Philtopy
@Philtopy 4 жыл бұрын
hmm those were good times
@grimmwolf9690
@grimmwolf9690 4 жыл бұрын
Gods and generals as well
@duylai2224
@duylai2224 4 жыл бұрын
or bring a whole army group into a movie,
@4mbrose
@4mbrose 4 жыл бұрын
duy lai Waterloo
@duylai2224
@duylai2224 4 жыл бұрын
@Adaneth i know, thats why i mention it
@lollalo1
@lollalo1 4 жыл бұрын
The scene at azincourt was terrifying Edit: specially being in a full plate armor while drowning in mud and horses crushing your helmet
@crimzonempire4677
@crimzonempire4677 4 жыл бұрын
More like majorly Inaccurate
@gelul12
@gelul12 4 жыл бұрын
Crimzon Empire stop being salty
@AbelDuviant
@AbelDuviant 4 жыл бұрын
@@crimzonempire4677 Any scene about any battle would be majorly inaccurate because we only know the gist of what happened unless we were actually there.
@misanthropicservitorofmars2116
@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 4 жыл бұрын
Crimzon Empire you’re majorly gey
@Daniel-yo5es
@Daniel-yo5es 4 жыл бұрын
@@crimzonempire4677 how so... do tell.
@claudeyaz
@claudeyaz 4 жыл бұрын
I like the scar on the cheek of henry. That injury. And the surgery that removed the arrow. Is super ingenious and interesting! They knew more about keeping wounds clean than history tries to tell us
@AtlasNL
@AtlasNL 4 жыл бұрын
Clooz Only, it’s a bit small and I really didn’t notice it the majority of the film
@Tina06019
@Tina06019 4 жыл бұрын
Well, some barber-surgeons had more knowledge of how to prevent infection than others. Clearly the man called in to remove the arrow from Prince Hal’s face/skull was VERY skillful.
@johncrowerdoe5527
@johncrowerdoe5527 4 жыл бұрын
@@Tina06019 Is this the very specific surgery that was written down in detail and confirmed as good by modern surgeons, or was that another instance of skillfully removing a projectile from a king?
@claudeyaz
@claudeyaz 4 жыл бұрын
@@johncrowerdoe5527 very specific surgery. They kept the wound closed up with honey and herbs. then built a surgical tool that could be slowly put into the hollow part of the arrow head. Then they rotated the tool and it slowly expanded. The expansion gripped the arrow head. Once it was gripped from the inside by pressure. They slowly removed the arrow. It is a documented surgery. And it is super cool
@claudeyaz
@claudeyaz 4 жыл бұрын
@@johncrowerdoe5527 the video that explains it is on KZfaq "Henry V arrowhead removal" super cool
@TheAegisClaw
@TheAegisClaw 4 жыл бұрын
I'm an archer. When longbows shoot at 80 or 100 yards (and target longbows are typically 40-50lbs, granted, but this also means a very high arcing shot) we don't generally see much, if any, penetration difference between those ranges and 40 yards which is shot with a fairly flat trajectory. That's practical experience, not theory.
@7dayspking
@7dayspking 4 жыл бұрын
Todd's stuff recently did a test, they demonstrate 'practically' that a few metres makes a big difference. Under 20 metres there seems to be a faint chance of solid hits potentially penetrating maybe less robust parts of the armour. KE drops by fractions by adding just another 10 or 20 metres. As you move further out chances go from 'possible' to zero. These weapons are at their limit trying to penetrate the armour, drop off below that threshold and their effectiveness drastically decreases.
@jamesk8730
@jamesk8730 4 жыл бұрын
@@7dayspking When arrows are shot upwards, they regain their speed when they pass the peak of their trajectory and start to accelerate back towards the ground. Mark Stretton has a good test about this on his blog.
@7dayspking
@7dayspking 4 жыл бұрын
@@jamesk8730 .....No. Do you know what the conservation of momentum is? An arrow will regain all of the energy it loses due to gravity....but it will not regain the energy it's lost due to drag. It's the energy lost from drag that reduces the KE below that threshold. Arrows falling straight down are far less likely to hit anything effectively than arrows traveling parallel with the ground.
@jamesk8730
@jamesk8730 4 жыл бұрын
@@7dayspking I didn't say the arrow regains all of it's energy, and yes I do know what the conservation of momentum is. Here is the test on Mark Stretton's blog I mentioned: markstretton.blogspot.com/2016/03/the-penetrative-power-of-warbow-arrow.html?view=flipcard If you read that test, you will see that an arrow retains MOST of it's energy over long distance. This is especially true for heavy arrows, which will lose less energy to drag because they move slower.
@7dayspking
@7dayspking 4 жыл бұрын
@@jamesk8730 If you watched Todd's stuff test you'll see at 10 metres the arrow is traveling at 55 m/s or 123 joules and at 25 metres it's 52 m/s or 109 joules. This is with an 80 g arrow (so a heavy war arrow.) At 40 metres this arrow will have lost too much energy to penetrate anything. It needs near, at or over those 110-120 joules to have a chance at penetrating armour. By 40, 50, 60 metres it's chance becomes zero. What's important about what I said earlier is 'threshold'. There is a minimum amount of energy required for penetration...below that threshold there is no chance for penetration. Mark's arrows are lighter (72 grams.) and his bow weaker (144 lbs at 32 inch draw.)...his bow would have no chance at any distance. In his test between 20 and 40 yards penetration goes from 9 to about 7 and a half inches. It loses about 15%-20% of it's penetrative power between those 20 yards alone. He's also shooting downhill, meaning his arrows gain energy from gravity. When he shot uphill his arrow had significantly less energy. While you're right that energy loss between let's say 100 and 200 yards isn't as significant, they first 50 metres see a dramatic loss in energy. When these bows are unable to consistently penetrate at point blank, the loss within those first 50 metres is very crucial.
@amicableenmity9820
@amicableenmity9820 4 жыл бұрын
Critique is good, but I liked how the people got tired and how not everyone was in the same armor. You're never going to have a perfect Medieval movie, but it's something.
@kev3d
@kev3d 4 жыл бұрын
If you did, everyone would have dysentery.
@naze2659
@naze2659 3 жыл бұрын
no one in a real battle had the same armor, mostly nobel bought their armors / were made specifically for him, never in a battle everyone is perfectly dressed and equal thats a hollywood myth
@yourmum69_420
@yourmum69_420 Жыл бұрын
@@naze2659 thats the point
@DefilerhXc
@DefilerhXc 4 жыл бұрын
I think we should honestly applaud the fact they are "Attempting" the knight in shining armor look, they slapped armor everywhere, i mean the styles and quality was all over the place but watching the scenes i got very excited to see that much full plate and that many Helmets with visors! They even had a few points where the main characters had helmets with visors!!! This is something so rare in modern medieval and fantasy films, its one clear step in the right direction, Outlaw king also! I hope this means we are going to see more of this in the future, Imagine the next movie brought out is based on the war of the roses and we see actual Sallets and polaxes in use. I have faith in this!
@aimanmarzuqi4804
@aimanmarzuqi4804 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree. I’m really happy that they show the main characters wearing not only full armour but also a complete helmet. So many former medieval movies don’t have their main characters wearing a helmets. And that frustrates me soo much.
@desmondd1984
@desmondd1984 4 жыл бұрын
@@aimanmarzuqi4804 Gotta love the show Vikings where none of the vikings ever wear helmets despite their helmets being one of the most iconic things about vikings.
@aimanmarzuqi4804
@aimanmarzuqi4804 4 жыл бұрын
@@desmondd1984 Yeah right, they never wear helmets. Its not like we couldn't recognise them with their helmets.
@RoyMcLellan
@RoyMcLellan 4 жыл бұрын
When "The Last of the Mohicans" was made, they used A LOT of reenactors as extras, including several prominent authors and experts. This movie has been lauded over and over for it's historical accuracy from the standpoint of clothing, weapons, and battles. More film makers should learn from the example this movie set.
@JG-id5vi
@JG-id5vi 4 жыл бұрын
Probably the best historical movie ever made.
@aroundtheworldatthespeedof768
@aroundtheworldatthespeedof768 4 жыл бұрын
One of my favorites since childhood.
@harveybrown7792
@harveybrown7792 4 жыл бұрын
The film was also panned for leaving the crew buses visible in the background of the siege of Fort William Henry. You can't win em all.
@williamshortfilm5818
@williamshortfilm5818 4 жыл бұрын
"The last of the Mohicans" was far from historically acurrate...from the representation it makes of the Marquis de Montcalm, to the desinformation it creates about the French and Iroquois agreeing on the massacre of the British...When you know the truth, this movie becomes hurtful. It is a good movie though, but not from a historical point of view. It is a "French bashing" movie.
@namulit
@namulit 4 жыл бұрын
@@williamshortfilm5818 The British (or American) cannot do without... (Master and Commander)
@Desh727
@Desh727 4 жыл бұрын
Historically accurate? No. Fucking awesome movie? I thought so!
@antoinemonks4187
@antoinemonks4187 4 жыл бұрын
The film "Gettysburg" depicting that battle from the American civil war employed re-enactors and the result was absolutely amazing and proves your point.
@TheRichardson711
@TheRichardson711 4 жыл бұрын
I'm willing to bet the logistics of gettysburg are a bit simpler. civil war re enactors practice specific performances year round, that the movie just needed to coordinate on a bigger scale. March, run, shoot, reload, fall down and pretend to die. The medieval battle would be way more difficult. You might be able to use re enactors in marching scenes but they probably need to produce prop armor for battles anyway.
@antoinemonks4187
@antoinemonks4187 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheRichardson711 I've been to a number of medieval re enactments and I can safely say the armour these guys own is of a high quality and survives full contact and is period accurate. Basically a film that doesn't hire re-enacters has to produce the armour, then train people to re-enact. Re-enacters also bring knowledge of the historical period and training.
@thesnoopmeistersnoops5167
@thesnoopmeistersnoops5167 4 жыл бұрын
The film Gettysburg proved that fast food restaurants did indeed date back to the US Civil War
@7dayspking
@7dayspking 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheRichardson711 You failed to explain why....extras would need to be trained just the same as reenactors if not more. For the record I'm pretty sure a lot of movies actually use local larp, stage or reenactment groups anyway for extras. They aren't hiring people who are 'professionals at being extras in medieval battle scenes' as an alternative to reenactors. The difference is when you don't hire reenactors you also have to fit them with armour. I disagree with Metatron, I think they have hired reenactors for this film, that actually would explain the vastly differing quality of their equipment.
@TheRichardson711
@TheRichardson711 4 жыл бұрын
@@7dayspking I think finding enough available people with suitable armor in the film making area would be more difficult and expensive. I'm just making up numbers but: If you're looking for 300 armored extras for 3 weeks of shooting. That means you need to interview and assess way more than 300 people and examine their armor to make sure it looks right and it's safe. 300 people need to be willing and able to take time off work and be willing to potentially damage their expensive gear And Be willing and able to travel potentially long distances. This is all off the top of my head so I'm willing to bet I'm missing a lot of other complications. The film will probably need to produce costume armor for certain filming scenarios anyway. For example The stunt armor I'm sure is padded vinyl or something. Imagine you went through that whole process and find out there's only 200 suitable people. You'd have wasted so much money. Hiring extras and contracting costume armor simplifies the process. I'm sure a contractor finds extras and makes it much easier to find replacement extras, and the costume department can make everything consistent in terms of what works in the filming process ei reflective surfaces, how protective it is, how loud it is, doesn't stand out too much, is works on foot and horseback, (is resale value a thing in the film prop world?) Etc
@GarfieldRex
@GarfieldRex 4 жыл бұрын
METATRON! Please Review Joan of Arc, The Messenger, 1999 film! Not only armour and weapons, but warfare and tactics! Thank you!
@savic1984
@savic1984 4 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite movies. Its literally the only physical dvd that i own.
@GarfieldRex
@GarfieldRex 4 жыл бұрын
@@savic1984 👌
@crozraven
@crozraven 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, as far as I remembered, that movie also have pretty good props for the armors & stuffs. Joan of Arc actually used proper armor & helmet. It's my fav Milla Jovovich's movie too :-)
@thesnoopmeistersnoops5167
@thesnoopmeistersnoops5167 4 жыл бұрын
Joan of Arc armour guy also did Excalibur. Terry English, check out his website. Living legend.
@boomerhgt
@boomerhgt 3 жыл бұрын
thesnoopmeister Snoops You can't really be a legend while still alive
@davidnavarro4821
@davidnavarro4821 4 жыл бұрын
Given that it’s produced by Netflix I’m kinda surprised it doesn’t feature any Black knights.
@peterhiggins2928
@peterhiggins2928 4 жыл бұрын
Monty Python Black Knight would have been a welcome addition.
@crozraven
@crozraven 4 жыл бұрын
the producer & director (film makers) are not netflix people. netflix only gave the budget for production. I think this is a personal project from Joel Edgerton.
@noctuferus
@noctuferus 4 жыл бұрын
What a stupid thing to say.
@jacquesstrapp3219
@jacquesstrapp3219 4 жыл бұрын
Chris Baugh No, his comment is accurate. Modern movies are notorious for being racially inclusive instead of depicting the actual people that were historically present.
@jaydanbeyer7683
@jaydanbeyer7683 4 жыл бұрын
theres is tho? theres a black knight next to folstaff at the start of the battle.
@cebonvieuxjack
@cebonvieuxjack 4 жыл бұрын
As a frenchman, I have to be honest I found it too bad, because it had so much potential and so many acting talents in it (with Chalamet and especially Pattinson who did a perfect job), but it was so bad from a historical point of view.. it basically shat on the Azincourt battle, shat on History and, call me paranoid or not, seemed to have francophobe passages (like why the fuck would you invent that the Dauphin killed children ??!). But anyway, I think it's a shame because the movie in itself wasn't that bad but this whole thing behind just made it look like the remake of a 1599's british propaganda (which the play Henry V of shakespear originally was).
@RealRagnar816
@RealRagnar816 2 жыл бұрын
The french have some of the most rich history ever and I move french history . Beautiful peoples
@sebamartinho
@sebamartinho Жыл бұрын
You're right, the guys made a totally different movie from reality. It starts with Henry V's own armor... it's was very full of colors? There is no Coat-of-Arms coloring any of the armies. The way they show the battle is outside the real facts, they didn't show anything, they made mistakes and even omitted the important participation of the French cavalry, you almost don't see it, only combat fighting technical of the time they got it right. And the final debauched confrontation between the two leaders was pathetic, what a garbage movie.
@Dryhten1801
@Dryhten1801 Жыл бұрын
Francophobia is based
@p1zystrat18
@p1zystrat18 10 ай бұрын
the dauphin killing children is probaly to antagonize him to the viewer,
@hildahilpert5018
@hildahilpert5018 8 ай бұрын
Guess they were thinking of Giles de Rais who fought with St.Joan of Arc.
@MinSredMash
@MinSredMash 4 жыл бұрын
You are overstating the case with the arrows. When you shoot at a 45 degree angle for maximum range, the arrow's vertical velocity will be very low as it falls at terminal velocity, but the horizontal velocity will still be >50% of the initial velocity. So the archers would be handicapping the arrow's ability to threaten armor, but it would still be highly effective against horses and lightly armored troops. This could be enough to force the enemy to charge: so-called 'goading fire'. There is indeed textual evidence for longbows being used in this way. It's probably what short bodkin heads were for, since these heads are actually quite poor against armor, but are very light and good for long range shooting.
@EvsEntps
@EvsEntps 4 жыл бұрын
Yes and his statements that gravity cause an arrow to lose energy are false since the net change in gravitational energy is zero across the whole arc of the motion (except in the case that we have non-flat terrain and vertical terminal velocity hasn't been reached by the time it hits target, then gravity does have a net effect on the energy of the arrow, but this is an unlikely scenario with high-power projectiles like arrows - they almost always get high enough with their initial vertical velocity to guarantee terminal vertical velocity on the trip down before they hit their target). As you were saying, horizontal velocity plays it's part and can result in it the arrow retaining much of its energy if the arrow reaches its vertical altitude quickly, meaning it doesn't face horizontal air resistance that long. I think the modern evidence and experimentation with longbow archery belies any historian or internet historian's interpretation of 'source evidence' that suggests they ONLY shot at close range. The bow and longbow in particular have clear utility as long range weapons as well as close range ones. How hard is it to conclude they were useful in more ways that one? Not hard for anyone with some knowledge of Newtonian mechanics and a little common sense. A more nuanced argument would be that they prioritised one use of the longbow over another based on the demands of the situation: in the Agincourt scenario it may well have made sense to save the ammunition for killing bogged down enemies at close range instead of wasting them on peppering an advancing enemy at long range, especially since estimates suggest the French force was 3 to 4 times larger than the English one. That being said you can think of a rationale for why you might want to use long range archery in the Agincourt scenario, at least in the initial stages of the engagement: tactical positioning of the archers and peppering at certain longer ranges might help you funnel the enemy into the muddy, sodden bog in the first place, given that humans, not least large formations of them tend to take the path of least resistance (especially if that resistance is a hail of arrows).
@antplace
@antplace 4 жыл бұрын
@@EvsEntps Still, the longer an arrow is in the air, the longer it is subject to air resistance and this is what drains most of the energy anyway. It may not be long, but at high speed the air drag is very significant.
@EvsEntps
@EvsEntps 4 жыл бұрын
@@antplace The arrow loses the same amount of gravitational potential energy on the way down as it gained on the way up. This is because gravity is a constant force only in the vertical downward direction. It doesn't matter which angle you fire the arrow, as long as the terrain is flat, gravity had no net energy effect. It's air resistance that drains the energy, both in the vertical dimension and the horizontal dimension. You are correct that the longer the arrow is in the air the more air resistance can drain its energy, via both the effect on velocity in the vertical dimension and the effect on velocity in the horizontal dimension.
@JayzsMr
@JayzsMr 4 жыл бұрын
The practise range for longbow men in England was 200m, you can't shoot that far point blank, totally ridiculous. And why would the practise range be that if they were not used at that distances. Makes absolutely no sense
@MinSredMash
@MinSredMash 4 жыл бұрын
@@JayzsMr Long range accuracy is important for harassing and goading fire. But it isn't effective against men wearing full plate.
@64standardtrickyness
@64standardtrickyness 4 жыл бұрын
@Metatron actually the only force lost with volley /arc fire is due to air resistance gravity is a conservative force meaning that in the lack of air resistance any object thrown upwards or at an arc hits just as hard as a direct shot This is not to say arc shot is not worse for instance as the trajectory is longer it will meet more air resistance
@flugel5554
@flugel5554 4 жыл бұрын
what i like in the first battle in the movie is that some knight have painted armor or helmets, i think that's something we don't usually see in movies
10 ай бұрын
That is why I have always said that if you want to make the perfect battle of Agincourt, what you should do is take the costumes and armor from the Laurence Oliver film (1944), the muddy battlefield full of stakes from the film by Kenneth Branagh (1989), and finally the infantry formations (because the archers are not well represented in any of the three films), the weapons, the correct way of fighting used by the Men-at-Arms and the cavalry charge (removing the arrows going through the metal, giving them spears instead of swords similar to the William Wallace movie by Mel Gibson and changing the armor for some more in line with the time) from this 2019 Netflix version. Mixing these three , but adding the charge of the French infantry (which they always omit) and fixing the missing details, I'm sure no one would be unhappy with the final result. The film also seemed acceptable to me, but knowing about military history, it made me suffer a lot to see every error on the tape.
@theheadbangguy5985
@theheadbangguy5985 4 жыл бұрын
You should have mentioned exactly why the armor is bad. Like you did with the mail armor, you should have said exactly what's wrong in other instances. You say that the armor the French prince is wearing is garbage, but you don't explain why. You say that helmets are wrong, but again, there's no explanation. To me, all of it looks pretty damn normal. I don't even know how it should look like. At 12:01 you say his armor is "ridiculous", but to me it looks just fine. Ok you do provide some solutions to the problem, and they are legit, but I don't even see a problem here to start with. To me this just sounds like a pet peeve of yours and you're ranting about it. It seems that you made this video assuming that everyone knows how real armor looks like, but only a few people have that knowledge. An average person like me, who has never seen real armor, can't really tell what's wrong with the suits in this movie. If someone searches youtube for a review for this movie and they see this video, they're gonna be just as confused as me.
@qwertyTRiG
@qwertyTRiG 4 жыл бұрын
I suppose he's speaking primarily to his audience, who have heard all this before, and he doesn't want to repeat himself too much.
@theheadbangguy5985
@theheadbangguy5985 4 жыл бұрын
@ToldYouSo Wether he is right or wrong is not my point. I just wanna know how bad these armours are compared to the real stuff. You say there should be a ton of padding beneath the chainmail and it would make actors look too big, but how big? Do they have to stuff a pillow under their armour or what?
@theheadbangguy5985
@theheadbangguy5985 4 жыл бұрын
@ToldYouSo Well there's nothing wrong with that mail helmet? is that the correct term? Anyway, I've seen much worse costumes 🤷🏻‍♂️
@13thcentury
@13thcentury 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not up on 15th century plate, and also wanted to know this. But, do take in mind that many youtubers are dead wrong on 13th century armour... especially the way shields were worn and used. The Dauphin clearly had fantasy armour but this character was all show. He was a braggard and a fake - probably into hema. But the rest? It's nothing I don't see at an Agincourt reenactment. Also, the helms shown in the vid as examples of real helms... were not like the English ones you see in the manuscripts. To be brutality honest, even reenactments seldom get it right. The archaeology disagrees with a lot of what is portrayed. So I turn a blind eye. I mean, in the 13th century no knight wore a gambeson under maille. You wore a thinner garment, sometimes just a tunic. Mobility was key. Your armour wasn't to keep you alive, you skill was - armour was extra. Coif and tunic were one, and the hood pulled back. Gauntlets were also attached. Lances are frequently described as being lowered on the left side, crossing to get better posture. Shield were strapped round the neck and back... no forearms. Flat rings were an anachronism. So, weve got to take armour with a pinch of salt. Unless the movie has enough budget to get museum level armour... and the guys that make it are extortionate... you make do. At least the movie bothered. Most don't.
@13thcentury
@13thcentury 4 жыл бұрын
@ToldYouSo you didn't wear thick padding under maille. No one did. You wore a thinner garment. Mine is just 4 layers of linen... not even quilted. The thick gambeson was its own armour. Way to bulky to be worn with maille.
@MundusMeus974
@MundusMeus974 4 жыл бұрын
I LEGITIMATELY finished watching this this morning, and well, I was wanting you or Shad to review it! Yay!
@freddykrueger8076
@freddykrueger8076 4 жыл бұрын
Liam Precious Ditto
@TiyZzi
@TiyZzi 4 жыл бұрын
I waited days for the review.
@CaptainFrankay
@CaptainFrankay 2 жыл бұрын
I consider your watching illegitimate
@richcotton4974
@richcotton4974 3 жыл бұрын
Another example of archers shooting straight and point blank as the norm (pun intended) is the Battle of Hastings. In Sir Edward Creasy's book "15 Decisive Battles of History" he writes of the Norman archers being ineffective against the defenders shields and decided to aim up, dropping their arrows onto the Saxons (english, anglos, I don't remember the proper proper noun) whereupon Harold took an arrow to the eye and the rest is, as they say, speculation... I mean history
@bomapenguin
@bomapenguin 4 жыл бұрын
The amount of energy lost by an object going up is gained back while coming down. Most of the energy is lost to air friction.
@Tyraeleon
@Tyraeleon 4 жыл бұрын
When they drew their swords, it actually made a wooden sound instead of the cliché metal sound that we are so used to hearing
@IamPatrickStar
@IamPatrickStar 3 жыл бұрын
Probably because the sword sheets lacked a brass throat which would make the shwing, scrape, or scratch sounds when drawing the swords
@stickthesecond5085
@stickthesecond5085 4 жыл бұрын
The longbow was great at shooting horses and the mud took care of the rest
@ianslapfish4648
@ianslapfish4648 4 жыл бұрын
Before watching the video I'd like to say this is a very good movie and I highly recommend it.
@pcgaming4944
@pcgaming4944 4 жыл бұрын
Watched it yesterday, although there was a lot wrong with it historically, I was still entertained 👌
@Cocaine00
@Cocaine00 4 жыл бұрын
It seems lots of people miss the fact that it ia loosly based on Shakespeare and not really trying to be historicaly accurate in terms of characters etc.
@user-sq9um7xy8c
@user-sq9um7xy8c 4 жыл бұрын
'Are you not entertained'
@badfoody
@badfoody 4 жыл бұрын
It's an adaptation of Shakespeare's plays
@thibskywalker4450
@thibskywalker4450 4 жыл бұрын
@@Cocaine00 Even the romanticized adaptation of Shakespeare is not respected.
@nekhlioudovbolkonsky2901
@nekhlioudovbolkonsky2901 4 жыл бұрын
I'd like to watch the film, but I can't own a Netflix acount :(. Was the film a "French Bashing film" or not ? Because in France the people that Saw the film are likely to Say that once again, French are considered as the Bad guys that are losing to the ennemies. Is that how the film is design?
@Ett.Gammalt.Bergtroll
@Ett.Gammalt.Bergtroll Жыл бұрын
I’ve read recently that the longbows were so effective not because they injured/killed the knights, but rather they shot their horses: they were relatively lightly armoured in the flanks (i.e their sides) and even if the arrows didn’t kill the animal the shock and pain would make them throw their rider or “crash” which would either disable or outright kill them.
@jonahharris4996
@jonahharris4996 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I do have a comment on the note of the physics and geometry of the arrow's flight however. If I were firing an arrow at an upward arc and gravity was the only force acting on the arrow to stop its upward momentum (lets assume wind resistance only affects vertical momentum here), the amount of time the arrow is spent going up will equal the exact amount of time the arrow spends going down. If we calculate the time it takes for an arrow to hit its peak (vertical velocity = 0) and calculate the vertical velocity of the arrow once it comes down to ground level, you will find that the vertical velocity of the arrow at both points is equal (just in opposite directions). Therefore, if an arrow is shot, the only thing detracting from its speed and momentum will be 'drag' or wind resistance OR the final height of the projectile (so firing uphill will result in a slower vertical velocity at the final point which appears to be the case in the film). Important to note is that these forces cause velocity to go down over time, so the longer the arrow is in flight, the greater loss in velocity. An arrow will be in the arrow longer if it is fired at an arc than if it is going straight, so the arrow will slow down more when fired at an arc. To wit, your statement that firing an arrow straight vice at an arc is correct, but not for the reason that you stated (that being gravity). I can work this out with actual numbers if needs be. Again, though, I always love your videos.
@jonahharris4996
@jonahharris4996 4 жыл бұрын
To clarify, gravity will have no affect whatsoever on the horizontal velocity of the arrow. If the environment I fired my arrow in was a frictionless vacuum, my arrow would hit its target with exactly the same amount of speed that it had leaving my bow because vertical velocity will be conserved by what I stated above and horizontal velocity would be unaffected by things like drag and wind resistance. In a real life scenario, drag or air friction, wind resistance, and relative final height of the target will be the only things to affect the final impact speed (and therefore momentum) of the arrow.
@deiniou
@deiniou 3 жыл бұрын
Hiiii Okay, I have only one question about arrows being fired up in the air. I am the worst when it comes to physics, that is why I am asking, but I was under the impression that since energy does not get destroyed only transferred if you shoot an arrow up, it will transform the kinetic energy on potential gravity, yes? Then as it comes down the gravity potential gets transformed into kinetic, so apart from air drag (which for an arrow I guess it's not that big), shouldn't the arrow come down with the same momentum as it went up? Like a pendulum? I know the arrow is not heavy, but gravity does not care about that right?
@Buckeystown
@Buckeystown 4 жыл бұрын
They don't show the scar under Henry's eye. He took an arrow in the face under his eye in a previous battle and was only saved by a skilled surgeon who created an ingenious way to get the arrow out. That's why he was painted in profile.
@Leon-bc8hm
@Leon-bc8hm Жыл бұрын
So Henry V should be called the very lucky King. If his name was Harold he would have lost his kingdom.
@rollastoney
@rollastoney 4 жыл бұрын
“That is awful” **Zooms to a tin can**
@MaxRavenclaw
@MaxRavenclaw 4 жыл бұрын
Hey, Metatron, you said a while back you'd do another video about volley arrow fire. Any updates on that?
@acrazysheepdog1555
@acrazysheepdog1555 Жыл бұрын
It’s okay, but the fights and duels and battles felt much more realistic than most medieval-style movies do these days. Drowning opponents in the mud, stabbing enemies with small blades in weak points, using fists and melee weapons beyond swords, arrows bouncing off armor most of the time with some penetration here and there…wonderful. Please keep doing this, just makes the movies feel less like propaganda.
@PolluxA
@PolluxA 4 жыл бұрын
The sources on Agincourt are very clear on armour penetration. Arrows penetrated plate armour. Gesta Henrici Quinti, an eye witness of the battle, specifically said "the missiles which by their very force pierced the sides and visors of their helmets ..." Likewise, Enguerran Monstrelet mentioned that "the French began to bow their heads so that the arrow fire would not penetrate the visors of their helmets." indicating that they in fact did penetrate their visors when arrows came straight at them. The top of a helmet is often 3 mm thick, the sides often only 1.5 mm, and the breaths are a weak spot. This is also supported by Jean Le Fèvre: "...the French began to bow their heads so that the arrow fire would not penetrate the visors of their helmets." Walsingham said it indirectly. "Then the cloud of arrows flew again from all directions [flanks], and iron sounded on iron, while volleys of arrows struck helmets, plates and cuirasses. Many of the French fell, pierced with arrows, here fifty, there sixty." Lydgate’s Battle of Agincourt: "Our archers shot full heartily, and quickly made the Frenchmen bleed; their arrows went at great speed, and took down our enemies; through breastplate, haubergeon, and bascinet they went...." This was most likely arrows coming in from the flanks and pierced the thinner sides of breastplates made of wrought iron. Other sources talk about the damage the arrows did in a more general way. Tito Livio Frulovisi: "... the English would have been thrown into disorder by the French knights if the greater part of the latter had not been killed or wounded with arrows and had been forced to retreat in terror.” The Gesta Henrici Quinti: "...they were forced to fall back under showers of arrows and to flee to their rearguard, save for a very few who, although not without losses in dead and wounded, rode through between the archers and the woodlands, and save, too, of course, for the many who were stopped by the stakes driven into the ground and prevented from fleeing very far by the stinging hail of missiles shot at both horses and riders in their flight.” (Including the quote above.) Thomas Elmham: "Our arrows were carried and penetrated ..." Henrici Quinti: "... clouds rain missiles, the earth absorbs blood, breath flies from bodies, half-dead bodies roll in their own blood, the surface of the earth is covered with the corpses of the dead ... that one vomits forth his soul in blood..." A continuation of Brute from 1377 to 1419: "... our archers made them stumble. Our Archers shot no arrow off target; all caused death and brought to the ground both men and horses.” The Religieux (Monk) of Saint-Denis: "... forced to retreat in the face of the enemy archers after they had lost several of the braves of their men ” “In the opinion of the French, it was precisely what injured the most their enemies which assured the English of victory, especially the continuous way in which they had rained down on our men a terrifying hail of arrow shot.” Mémoires de Pierre de Fenin: “But it went completely the other way. For when it came to engaging, the English had such a large quantity of archers who began to shoot strongly against the French.” Enguerran Monstrelet: "Sir William de Saveuses ... was shot dead from off his horse." (Including the quote above.) Jean Waurin and Jean Le Fèvre: "But before they could engage together, many French were hampered and wounded." Edmond de Dynter: "English archers caused maximum damage to the French with their arrows..." Thomas Basin: "wounding so many horses on which the French were mounted and men also, killing a good number, so that even before they came to hand to hand fighting, the French turned around..."
@ClockworkAnomaly
@ClockworkAnomaly 4 жыл бұрын
They seem to be mentioning even arcing fire here... Could it be that arcing fire could penetrate visors?
@richhartnell6233
@richhartnell6233 4 жыл бұрын
Where did you get all these fantastic first hand sources?!
@PolluxA
@PolluxA 4 жыл бұрын
@@richhartnell6233 I wrote them down from the book named The Battle of Agincourt, Sources and Interpretations by Anne Curry.
@richhartnell6233
@richhartnell6233 4 жыл бұрын
@@PolluxA Thank you very much.
@matthewread7220
@matthewread7220 4 жыл бұрын
I just watched it, no it certainly isn't perfect . However it was decently written, good acting all round, No BLACKWASHING AT ALL which is refreshing. I must admit I was really surprised just how good it actually was, no over the top battles ect. Watch it
@misanthropicservitorofmars2116
@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 4 жыл бұрын
The combat between full plate Knights was the highlight.
@mtgAzim
@mtgAzim 4 жыл бұрын
Hey R, Your mic sounds really good in this video. In a lot of your older videos the volume varies, and sometimes things like the bass level were way too blown out, but everything sounds great here.
@JP-8469
@JP-8469 4 жыл бұрын
Someone who has over 350k subs, should HAVE PERFECT QUALITY SOUND drives me bananas
@georgytodorov7947
@georgytodorov7947 4 жыл бұрын
You've got your physics a bit wrong there, mate. First off the term "power" would be more like energy or momentum. And now to the actual part you got wrong - it is true that objects in flight do lose some of their energy but it's not due to the elevation difference since there this insignificant thing called the Law of conservation of energy stating that energy is not lost but only transitions from one form to another. In the case of changing elevation the kinetic energy of the arrow would be turned into potential with the zenith point being where the kinetic energy in the vertical wold be zero and the potential exactly equal to what the kinetic was at the point of launch. In the mean time the arrow would be bleeding energy in the horizontal due to drag/air resistance. Once the arrow starts going down potential energy would convert back to kinetic causing the arrow to seem to accelerate while still losing some energy to air resistance. Your example of dropping an arrow does not illustrate the case since you only have potential energy being converted into kinetic in the vertical completely ignoring that a launched arrow has momentum in the horizontal and the final impact is determined by the combination of the two. I would give a modern day example: each year there are several cases of people being severely injured or killed by billets fired in an almost vertical direction - if a bullet were to be shot straight up it would travel to its zenith point and then start falling having lost the stabilizing effect of the rifling spin and go down at it's terminal velocity (significantly slower). If however it's shot at an angle the trajectory is a parabola and the bullet keeps spinning, retaining it's aerodynamic properties and speed bringing a lot more hurt(energy) with it wherever it lands.
@ChristianMcAngus
@ChristianMcAngus 4 жыл бұрын
An arrow is going to lose a lot of energy to air resistance, even more than a bullet. Metatron and other sources would be right, "volley fire" with bows is mostly just silly.
@georgytodorov7947
@georgytodorov7947 4 жыл бұрын
@@ChristianMcAngus that's not the point I was trying to make. While an arrow does lose a lot of its momentum in the horisontal due to air resistance it does not lose all of it (made sort of obvious due to the fact it's still moving "forward"). As to the claim to volley "fire" being ineffective... Against heavily armoured targets - sure. Against light infantry... that's a completely different story. There's a reason lawn darts are illegal. ;) I myself have some childhood memories involving a skinny kid, a normal (the kind you find in pubs) dart and a scar I still have on my face. Cheers!
@joahnaut
@joahnaut 4 жыл бұрын
@@georgytodorov7947 It's like watching a football be kicked high, and then fall. That's got a lot of energy in it on the way day, and if you catch that with your face (something I've done multiple times lol) it's gonna hurt. Now we'll imagine it's an arrow, being shot at a much faster rate and more kinetic force. That's not something I would like to catch with any part of my body. Excellent bit of writing by the way!
@JP-8469
@JP-8469 4 жыл бұрын
Special guest?!! Please be the great bland man himself, the one "take" God, the summer sweater wearing genius... LINDYBEIGE 👏💣💥
@EvsEntps
@EvsEntps 4 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure that (ignoring air resistance) an arrow shot up in the air would hit the ground at the same speed (and thus same energy) that it left the bow at. It's when we consider air resistance that we observe that it's the vertical air resistance on the way down that reduces the speed of the arrow and forces it to plateau at terminal vertical velocity (if it hasn't hit the ground by that point already). The air resistance on the way up only has the effect of limiting the altitude the arrow may reach and thus only indirectly affects whether the arrow has enough time to reach terminal velocity on the way down or not. So we can attribute the loss of speed (and thus energy, as the mass of the arrow is constant) largely to the air resistance acting on the arrow's journey downwards from the altitude it reached. I think Metatron had the right intuition when making claims about firing arrows high, but perhaps confused the forces a bit in his explanation; air resistance should be stressed as the force that causes the arrow's speed at impact to be lower than when it was released, not gravity. There are also horizontal effects of air resistance that decrease the arrow's horizontal velocity, thus reducing the overall speed at impact even more, which makes it better to reduce your horizontal range as much as possible when shooting. Certainly we can conclude that shooting the arrow directly into the enemy at a shallower angle and closer range will mitigate the loss of energy to air resistance, thus inflicting a much more powerful hit and being more likely to penetrate armour and he's totally right in this regard (it is common sense as well).
@CriticalFeline
@CriticalFeline 4 жыл бұрын
there's no way that the arrow would go NEARLY high enough to be able to get even CLOSE to as powerful as it would be being shot directly from a 200-lb long bow. Also it goes without saying that not aiming directly at your target and just shooting in the air would be a completely ineffective thing to do.
@PolluxA
@PolluxA 4 жыл бұрын
@@CriticalFeline We have actual tests with a 150 lb yew longbow shooting a 95.9 gram arrow 249 meters and striking with 89 Joule, plenty enough to penetrate the gaps in armour covered by mail and an arming doublet. Initial kinetic energy was 134 Joule.
@64standardtrickyness
@64standardtrickyness 4 жыл бұрын
@@@CriticalFeline in the absence of air resistance it will because gravity is a conservative force meaning that in the lack of air resistance any object thrown upwards or at an arc hits just as hard as a direct shot This is not to say arc/upward shot is not worse in the real world for instance as the trajectory is longer it will meet more air resistance @Metatron please correct the way you describe why shooting upwards is bad in your vid as it doesn't work (not saying your conclusion is false just your attribution to gravity being the problem rather than air resistance due to the longer arc)
@Biden_is_demented
@Biden_is_demented 4 жыл бұрын
Metatron is wrong on this one. While longbowman are know to have shot flat in the Agincourt battle, volley fire was still widely used and even required. During a siege for example, you are forced to do it, not just because of the walls, but also because direct fire will reduce your max range and bring you in range of enemy archers. The longbow was famed for its range, why would you forgo that advantage and put yourself in range of enemy archers? Volley fire is exceptionally effective in large masses of enemies. In Agincourt they fired direct and point blank range to achieve maximum penetration. But that was by necessity, due to the heavy use of plate armor. In the millennium before the advent of plate armor, archer volley fire was the norm. Even by simply using a bit of common sense you see volley fire is in fact the ONLY way an archer can shoot at enemies as the battle unfolds, because your own infantry are in front of you. They need to fire over their heads, in plunging fire. If the archers are too close to the front line, they can´t shoot anyone because of the angle. The ONLY way is volley fire. The only time you use direct fire is right as the enemy front line is coming at you, and then you retreat behind your front line.
@marcocammozzo7553
@marcocammozzo7553 4 жыл бұрын
@Metatron Occhio sulla parte della pioggia di frecce (Sulla quale hai completamente ragione) però secondo la fisica, ciò che fa perdere efficacia alla freccia nel tiro a lunga gittata non è l'andare contro la gravità, (poichè la velocità di arrivo equivarrebbe quella di partenza in assenza di attriti) ma è bensì la resistenza dell'aria che rallenta la freccia proporzionalmente alla lunghezza del tragitto.
@vincentthendean7713
@vincentthendean7713 4 жыл бұрын
Despite all the flaws, I'm really excited that we are starting to move a way from the all-powerful swords trope. This gives me hope that movie makers can learn towards making a more historically accurate (or physically/mechanically plausible) medieval and/or fantasy shows.
@SarudeDanstorm
@SarudeDanstorm 4 жыл бұрын
On the account of the arrows, there are a lot that break off the knights' armor in those scenes. I thought the ones that did stick only hit the weak-points and didn't penetrate the armor?
@IIDASHII
@IIDASHII 4 жыл бұрын
As a physics point of order, the issue of energy loss with arrows is from friction with the air, not gravity. Gravity has a net zero effect as long as the point of impact is at the same elevation as the archer.
@DamnedEyez
@DamnedEyez 4 жыл бұрын
I'm curious how much of the design of the coif in movies is to function like a cloth hood that the actors can pull back between scenes. (Also to make sure the stars faces are visible.)
@kaguth
@kaguth 4 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for Metratron to review the full thing. Historical inaccuracies aside, I loved it.
@xenotypos
@xenotypos 3 жыл бұрын
It was more like a whole parallel universe rather than simples inaccuracies.
@ferrjuan
@ferrjuan 4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that King Henry had a scar on his face in the film
@emilysmellfox4784
@emilysmellfox4784 4 жыл бұрын
Hey, I noticed in some of your older videos such as your Kanabo video from 2 years ago you had a samurai helmet, where did you get it from? I’m in the UK as I assume you are judging by your accent, yet they’re all ridiculously expensive online.
@metatronyt
@metatronyt 4 жыл бұрын
Iron Mountain Armory ;)
@metatronyt
@metatronyt 4 жыл бұрын
And I'm Italian :D but I did live in the UK
@d.m.collins1501
@d.m.collins1501 4 жыл бұрын
At 7:37 or so, I know that "up and over" volley fire didn't happen at Agincort, but didn't they use it at other times/other eras? I feel like I've seen some battles on Kings and Generals where the archers were placed behind their own infantry and lobbed the attacks over their heads into the enemy. But I could be (quite likely am) wrong.
@WarDogMadness
@WarDogMadness 4 жыл бұрын
at least its not full of Africans portraying historical characters. if it was a bbc production .
@coolbule1238
@coolbule1238 4 жыл бұрын
Achilles isn't real but i do understand.
@WarDogMadness
@WarDogMadness 4 жыл бұрын
@@coolbule1238 i was referring to when they cast a negro as Margaret of Anjou.or when bbc 4 did the same thing for Henry de Beaumont for a historical documentary of 1066.
@quantjonna293
@quantjonna293 4 жыл бұрын
Why do people always have to bring in the black factor when it is not necessary?
@coolbule1238
@coolbule1238 4 жыл бұрын
@@WarDogMadness didnt know all that. Shameful.
@WarDogMadness
@WarDogMadness 4 жыл бұрын
@@quantjonna293 you make zulu with shaka zulu as a white blonde swede and see how that goes down or mura masa as a northern Spanish white man see how that goes dow
@shadiversity
@shadiversity 4 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with you about the armor and battles. For me personally I didn't like the film. I feel their portrayal of Henry V was very poor and misrepresented the historical Henry greatly. They make him naive, manipulable and barely gave him any personality. The historical accuracy side of things was atrocious, especially with much of the plot points. I think their mistake was taking too much inspiration from the shakespearean play. The siege of harfleur was pathetic and inaccurate and agencourt was a mess. I'll be going into detail in my review ^_^
@pierremauger7117
@pierremauger7117 4 жыл бұрын
And the fucking french-bashing !!!
@axaxaxaxaxaxa3341
@axaxaxaxaxaxa3341 4 жыл бұрын
They based the movie on shakespeares play this is basically the movie version of that his play
@pbh9195
@pbh9195 4 жыл бұрын
I felt the exact same thing. My summary of what this movie is it's just Sceme in the dark Brooding teen Hey let's go to France because ......
@xenotypos
@xenotypos 3 жыл бұрын
"I think their mistake was taking too much inspiration from the shakespearean play." I agree, glorifying one side was common at the time, and this propaganda still has an influence now since some movies choose to base their story on it...
@boomerhgt
@boomerhgt 3 жыл бұрын
The film was highly entertaining you dork
@SiggiSchuessler
@SiggiSchuessler 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! I have two thoughts about your points of the mail coifs and the reeanactors: 1.) I think it'ts the same like the light inside the helmet of an Sci-Fi astronaut: you have to see the actor's face. 2.) just a guess of mine, but there should be certain problems with the use of reenactors, because they might be more "problematic" to handle as individuals than actors who are just doing what the director wants without discussions about details. And even without some sort of labor-union (?), it might be common using professional actors or stuntmen from an existing network. That is of course just a try to explain things, which keeps your points still valid. :-)
@knightdrako
@knightdrako 4 жыл бұрын
What's the name of the movie at 12:30?
@LazyLifeIFreak
@LazyLifeIFreak 4 жыл бұрын
As Matt would say "Cpt Context is here to give you some context!"
@agochoa
@agochoa 4 жыл бұрын
Im so glad you made this. I watched this the other day and thought to my self WWMS (What would Metatron say?) lol
@reignorshine.
@reignorshine. 4 жыл бұрын
Yup same here saw it a few days ago and imagined just how metatron would eviscerate it's lack historical accuracy, overall found the movie thoroughly entertaining and tip My sallet at the creators
@richhartnell6233
@richhartnell6233 4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a tv show. Next up on what would metatron say!
@agochoa
@agochoa 4 жыл бұрын
I was fairly entertained, but once I saw that armour, it was the first question that came to mind. Then I was like, “not bad, I’m gonna binge watch this ser- (roll credits).... That was a movie???!!!” 🙁🙁🙁. Lol
@patio87
@patio87 4 жыл бұрын
What I liked about the battle is it really showed just how insanely dangerous it would be in that melee even in full plate armor. But they kind of killed that when Flastaff took off his helmet and then really killed it when Henry ran down into the melee just wearing mail.
@johnded3874
@johnded3874 4 жыл бұрын
Another point you may have overlooked in regards to arrow fire (I know that fire has a more modern connotation to firearms, but maybe it is now etymologically appropriate to use it in this context due to our newer speaking) is that at maximum range, there will be a very limited distance where the arrow will be at "hitting height". This is something that I picked up from the youtube channel "Cap and Ball" about why in 19th century European armies stared using lighter and faster ammunition as opposed to the old slower heaver ammunition (sort of like 9mm compared to .45 caliber). As far as I know, part of the reason the armies started lightening their ammunition is because slow projectiles follow a much more curved trajectory to hit a target at a certain distance, so unless you get the angle just right, the projectile will fly right over their head (or strike the ground in front of the target), due to the high curve of the trajectory, where as a straight and fast projectile will stay close to the height profile of the target, and be much more likley to hit.
@willnitschke
@willnitschke 4 жыл бұрын
The battle scene was a confused mess. Now, historically, it was meant to be a confused mess. But not the same confused mess that actually happened. Instead, we ended up with the choreographer creating a confused mess of his own invention. I was very disappointed by what I saw, as it provided no visual representation of why the English won.
@boomerhgt
@boomerhgt 3 жыл бұрын
You were actually there at the real battle impressive
@willnitschke
@willnitschke 3 жыл бұрын
@@boomerhgt Yeah dude, historians and archeologists who spend their whole time studying this stuff is identical to whatever sh*t is pulled out of the arses of Hollywood studios. If you're pretending to be the world's biggest fool, it's an impressive effort.
@Hungabrigoo
@Hungabrigoo 2 жыл бұрын
They obvious won because their king was crawling around the mud alone, stabbing the ankles of all the french knights, duh.
@lordstarwars2214
@lordstarwars2214 4 жыл бұрын
So the thing to take away from the Movie is that they did some Things really good and some quite bad. Well i suppose thats a Start. They'l just have to keep it up and improve Further. Im honestly just glad that we are beyond non existent Armour and Lightsaber Moments.
@jackb7833
@jackb7833 4 жыл бұрын
Great point about hiring reenactors, they did that exact thing in the new star wars show the mandalorian, all the stormtroopers in that show are fans who built their own sets of stormtrooper armor and are members of a reenactment group
@nagyzoli
@nagyzoli 4 жыл бұрын
We know from huns, hungarians, mongols, avars, etc that specialized with the recurve bow (around 80 lbs, even more): Galloping charge and fire from point blank (20 meters or even 10) will penetrate steel full plate. But this add the horse's momentum to the arrow
@tomsawyerpiper9412
@tomsawyerpiper9412 4 жыл бұрын
TL;DR of raining arrows: Shooting into the air is stupid and ineffective.
@kennethfharkin
@kennethfharkin 4 жыл бұрын
You MUST fire in the air to gain range. No matter what the arrow always accelerates DOWN at 9.8 meters per second squared. Fire it straight and it will very quickly hit the ground. If you are going to hit at any distance beyond conversational there is some arcing. At 100+ yards you MUST arc to hit anything but the ground. Effective range was reported as 300+ yards so they had to fire in an arc. ONE person firing in an arc is ineffective. Hundreds of people firing in an arc into a packed group of troops was assuredly NOT ineffective.
@ksubota
@ksubota 4 жыл бұрын
Yea, better shoot the enemy, not the air.
@borismuller86
@borismuller86 4 жыл бұрын
Kenneth Harkin plus in the movie they were aiming uphill too.
@willek1335
@willek1335 4 жыл бұрын
It seemed to me as if the first shot was arched high in order to goad the French into attacking, just like the historic sources describe. It's really unpleasant to get shot by arrows, even if it doesn't penetrate your armour. The moral of the men and horses won't put up with it. However, for the most part, I grant you, during the heat of the battle the aim was to shoot straight for maximum penetrative potential. Just as doctor tobias capwell has stated over and over.
@T1JumpTIX
@T1JumpTIX 4 жыл бұрын
Horses are generally unarmoured and if you are being shot at with arrows from distance you have 3 options, to stand there and take it, fall back out of range or advance and destroy the archers. The French decided to advance and that’s what the English wanted, the longer you take those arrows the chances increase that one unlucky arrow will catch a weak point. By its own nature it had an effect, the effect was it caused the French to make a move.
@thisguy7083
@thisguy7083 4 жыл бұрын
One of the things I loved about this movie was the armour being actually useful. Soooooooo freken refreshing and it added to some of the suspense.
@diegoveloso3rd
@diegoveloso3rd 3 жыл бұрын
Another thing to mention about volley fire into the sky. Arrow fletching is designed to stabilize the arrow as it leaves the bow. It forces the tail end of the arrow to be as inline with the point as possible via friction with the air and imparts spin to the arrow. This makes fletching incredibly useful for accuracy in shots relatively close in range. For volley fire aiming up, fletching is incredibly useless and even detrimental since the difference in mass between the heavy arrow point and the lighter wooden shaft is more than enough to stabilize the arrow as it falls down. Tape a metal bolt to a pencil and toss it up into the air, its gonna fall bolt first with almost no wobble in the tail end. The fletching also introduces friction which slows the arrow down and spin which it doesnt need (no archer is going to be aiming for an eyeball at 100 m). Both of these drastically reduce an arrow's efficacy when you shoot up into the air.
@earlsfield
@earlsfield Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this movie due to great cast and story fully aware it is full of historical inconsistencies. As for Henry showing the sword into the ground once French prince was on his arse - that was not his sword, that was a random sword laying around Henry found just as good to defend himself. I like how he uses a hammer too.
@ancientgear7192
@ancientgear7192 4 жыл бұрын
Will you make the video about Japanese women underwear you had promised back in 2016?
@mr.giggles2188
@mr.giggles2188 4 жыл бұрын
I literally just watched this just before coming on KZfaq. It was pretty good.
@abarbar06
@abarbar06 4 жыл бұрын
Engineer and physicist here. Just to clarify your point on the arrow fire: the arrow doesn’t lose energy (the more accurate term, not power) by being arced up because of gravity. Yes it will slow down as it rises, but this kinetic energy is converted into gravitational potential energy, and back into kinetic energy as it falls. The loss is all due to drag from the air, so the further it goes, the more drag will reduce the arrow’s total energy, all due to air friction/drag. Neglecting air resistance, the arrow would fall with exactly the same velocity it left the bow with (assuming the initial and final elevations are the same). Of course in reality, arrows traveling so far can lose a good portion of their initial energy to drag. I know you understand this, I just couldn’t help myself after your explanation perked my ears up :)
@ww2killerk
@ww2killerk 4 жыл бұрын
Yes! I was wondering when you were going to cover this.
@kennethfharkin
@kennethfharkin 4 жыл бұрын
8:40 your understanding of physics is distressing.
@kennethfharkin
@kennethfharkin 4 жыл бұрын
and it gets worse and worse and worse... There is speed lost to drag but you are maintaining at least 50% of the speed at the time of impact 300 yards away. Speed lost upwards vertical velocity lost at the apex is mostly regained at the point of impact. Horse flesh is not that tough and putting one of these in a horse would certainly be a major issue for the armored knight about to be thrown on his ass. I also did not see arrows clearly penetrating plate. What I saw could easily be interpreted as punching through areas with mail.
@trolltalwar
@trolltalwar 4 жыл бұрын
even my first time seeing the movie i was aware of the issues you mentioned and it did slightly irk me because im a turbo nerd. however, regardless of the inaccuracies in the armor, the volleys etc. i think this is all STILL 100% superior than almost ANYTHING hollywood has given us. issues aside, its still 10 steps in the right direction. issues aside, it still gives a much better idea of the combat and the culture than almost anything hollywood has given us. i still love movies like braveheart and 1981 excalibur i grew up on those films and those films along with video games like medieval total war did nothing but further spark my interest in the era and drive me to further learn the real history. movies like outlaw king and the king are doing it better though despite the inaccuracies and i am so happy that european history is being portrayed in such a positive light with these films. its obvious a trend has started and im just looking forward to the next one. i would love to see a movie like this about william the conqueror and the normans, however outlaw king and the king have focused so much on england that maybe a new medieval setting would be a more fresh experience such as a film where the protagonists are set in medieval france, germany, spain, milan or venice. when casuals think of medieval times they usually instantly think of england or france, but we here know that in the 15th century the germans and the italians were making the best suits of plate armor. even most of the surviving manuscripts about combat are german. there are so many directions they can go with this
@NapoleonCalland
@NapoleonCalland 9 ай бұрын
Outlaw King is about Scotland, not England. 🦁🐝🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🐝 🕷️🕸️
@marklivingstone3710
@marklivingstone3710 Жыл бұрын
I think it was in the series Battlefield Detectives episode on Agincourt, the suggestion was made that the main purpose of the arrows was to injure horses and unseat the knights. Archers carried daggers and hammers. As knights were unhorsed many had trouble getting to their feet, a combination of the weight of the armour and the mud, and the archers would attack them with daggers and hammers while they were down. From what I’ve read, the most effective weapons in the destruction of the French Army at Agincourt was the mud and French confidence that the battles outcome was a foregone conclusion.
@Alfamon717
@Alfamon717 4 жыл бұрын
Great video as always! Just a small comment (physicist here). While you're absolutely right by saying that the arrows would lose most of their momentum if shot upwards, this would not be due to the arrows going against gravity. Since gravity is a conservative force, the arrows would theoretically reach the ground at the same speed as they were shot at (in a conservative field the path taken doesn't matter, just the endpoint). What makes the arrows lose power is the viscosity of air (or air friction). When the arrows are shot up and then fall, they have to travel a much longer distance to the target than if they went on a straight line, thus giving air more time and distance to slow the arrow. Keep up the amazing content!!
@billavanilla956
@billavanilla956 4 жыл бұрын
The thumbnail looks like a album cover lol
@ChristianMcAngus
@ChristianMcAngus 4 жыл бұрын
I like the vests the knights wore that had chainmail sewn on the arms, leaving the torso (which would have been covered by the breastplate) bare cloth. Are these historically accurate?
@physical_insanity
@physical_insanity 4 жыл бұрын
I would say the armour is actually fine, in comparison to other movies. Yes, once you really look at it, you notice the flaws, but just glancing at it or keeping your eyes where the camera wants you to look, you don't really notice anything that jumps out at you. The armour could be better it certain respects, but on the whole I think it does a much better job than other historical productions.
@enlightenedterrestrial
@enlightenedterrestrial 4 жыл бұрын
I find the battle in the movie to be underwhelming. It's soldiers suicidally running into each other and proceeding to have individual duels all over the battlefield. It's ridiculous, this old movie trope. There is no battle-line, no formations. It's just disorganized butcher-fest. The tactics of the movie battle are also underwhelming, well, non-existent, to be exact.
@FlawedFabrications
@FlawedFabrications 4 жыл бұрын
I would agree, but historically that's kind of what happened at Agincourt. The field turned into absolute, muddy chaos. While the English managed to maintain their line, once the archers joined in and flanked the French, that entire section of the battle would have been close to what the film showed.
@enlightenedterrestrial
@enlightenedterrestrial 4 жыл бұрын
@@FlawedFabrications you should agree, because what you and I describe in our prior comments is absolutely NOT what happened at Azincourt. There were still two distinct sides, one packed in tight together in a single mass with only the outer edges able to use their weapons (the Monk of St-Denis says the first two ranks, Monstrelet, Waurin and Le Févre say just the first), and the other (English) surrounding it, not packed tightly together and able to use their weapons freely. The mud was present, yes, because the battlefield was a ploughed farming field. The mud that was there hindered the French, who were standing in it up to their knees (ploughed farming field). I don't understand why it's so hard to understand for movie-makers that everytime two armed mobs approach one another, they approach as two masses by forming a battle-line.
@carlosdelgado3704
@carlosdelgado3704 4 жыл бұрын
The movie was absolutely beautiful I didn’t mind the historical inaccuracy or the plastic lookin armor
@coenraadsnyman5229
@coenraadsnyman5229 4 жыл бұрын
I noticed about the arrows, when they came down (didn't like that they did that though) what caused the knights to fall was usually the horses rearing up as they, the horses, were hit. I also noticed that where the knights themselves were hit and died, they were hit in the gaps and when they hit the breastplates, the arrows actually broke and did not pierce.
@zeebaa6
@zeebaa6 4 жыл бұрын
Good review. I'm interested to hear your opinion on the short but well shot siege scene.
@jasoncreamer5747
@jasoncreamer5747 4 жыл бұрын
I did not even know the movie was about to be released, was a nice surprise for me. It was very entertaining.
@cultofmalgus1310
@cultofmalgus1310 4 жыл бұрын
I dont know anything about Netflix so I've never even heard of this.
@taistelusammakko5088
@taistelusammakko5088 4 жыл бұрын
Ok
@Syndixal
@Syndixal 4 жыл бұрын
That's weird
@zenopizzapizza
@zenopizzapizza 4 жыл бұрын
@@Syndixal Indeed
@Lurklen
@Lurklen 4 жыл бұрын
I don't think it makes any sense to say that volley shooting was never used, after all the reason helmets are so essential, and continued to develop was to protect against such things. This also holds true for some shield formations, which don't make a lot of sense if volley shooting wasn't a thing. Then there's the whole "the arrows of the barbarians blot out the sun" thing from Thermopylae, gives it credence, unless you think this inaccuracy has persisted since Herodotus. That's not to say it was used at Agincourt, but to say it was never used is just silly. Also I do not recommend you drop an arrow from a building, if you hit someone it could be very bad indeed (I cannot find the episode, just an article talking about it, but mythbusters did the whole shooting an arrow straight up thing, and found it could be fatal).
@tonig.1546
@tonig.1546 Жыл бұрын
Correction for Lord of the Rings. The only faction so to speak we see doing volley fire in open battle are the orcs against the Rhohirrim in The Return of the King. All of the Good guy factions are firing volleys from defensive positions. Excluding the Intro of The Fellowship, where the Elves fire direct volleys with a low arc from the rear line of Elves during the battle of Mt. Doom. (I hope in the past 3 years this has been pointed out already, but I just couldn’t find that comment)
@stag6161
@stag6161 3 жыл бұрын
The scene where they were seizing a French castle was pretty good I thought, they kept bombarding it with Trebuchets trying to get them to surrender, not wanting to charge in, because it's a castle
@filipzietek5146
@filipzietek5146 4 жыл бұрын
Knights charging with swords and no lances sadly also not enough mud
@nguyenanthinh4364
@nguyenanthinh4364 4 жыл бұрын
Couching a lance properly is really hard. You shouldn't expect producers can afford that much
@fernandodossantos6619
@fernandodossantos6619 2 жыл бұрын
Also, the colors in the movie were mostly fine. People weren't in raggedy broken fabric. What gives it that gray and dark look the the LUT or filter on all the scenes. Those are purposely done as a cinematic tool to incite a certain emotion or mood in the viewer.
@triggerhappy124421
@triggerhappy124421 4 жыл бұрын
The movie Gettysburg set in the American civil war used reenactors as extras for the movie. It helped force them to make an amazingly accurate film since thw extras understood all that was going on, the equipment was correct, and as the director said they could not make an inaccurate film or the extras would leave
@thomasprost10
@thomasprost10 4 жыл бұрын
"does it provide educational historical value?" -"no" "Does it need to?" -" it doesn't matter" That makes no sense 😭 not at all. Following this logic I could judge lord of the rings by it's historical accuracy. Even though it's fair to partly judge this movie on accuracy, as it was trying to be realistic, your Argument ist still not valid. That being said, this movie was fantastic in my opinion and while not always accurate, still a great adaptation.
@SavageFreddy33
@SavageFreddy33 4 жыл бұрын
There was something refreshing about the anticlimactic dual, siege and battle. It wasn't what I expected. It was what I'd imagined it would really be like.
@dupplinmuir113
@dupplinmuir113 4 жыл бұрын
The English army numbered 5000 archers and 1000 men-at-arms: the rest were non-combatants. I'd also recommend looking up the papers on Agincourt by Professor Clifford Rogers, as the best available sources on the battle.
@christophe7723
@christophe7723 4 жыл бұрын
There is a problem with your analysis of arrow power, if you use a 100pound bow and shoot at 45° to maximize the range, what happens is that the arrow will fight against gravity while going up, so the power in the arrow is of 100pounds - mass X gravity X maximum height, when it falls down, it then gains a power from the gravity equal to mass X gravity X height. Therefore the energy is reduced by gravity only if the target is higher than the shooter (on top of remparts for exemple) and it is increased if the target is lower. However, what reduce energy in general is friction, and the longest in time there is friction, the less energy is left in the projectile, so the further you are from your target, the less energy.
@fujinwinds2514
@fujinwinds2514 4 жыл бұрын
*to
@mencheperra3916
@mencheperra3916 4 жыл бұрын
For me it was a pretty boring movie. And the young Henry V and his younger brother looked more like Loss boys then nobles.
@claraveras5070
@claraveras5070 4 жыл бұрын
The fact the king wears poor armour gives the feeling he cares very little about himself, he is not in the spotlight, he is selfless. And it fits his character. The fact the armour of the dolfin is so ridiculous also matches the character.
@lesleyhutchinson7065
@lesleyhutchinson7065 4 жыл бұрын
I found the arrow arc assertions you made fascinating so thank you for that. It got me thinking however if a very heavy and very sharp arrow was fired to rain down on the opponent would the additional kinetic energy of the rain make them potentially lethal again? I 100% agree with your view so my question is more getting the opinion of a respected peer if you would honour this pupil with your wisdom. All the best buddy.
@daskitso
@daskitso 4 жыл бұрын
Ok, a couple of points and a question. I am a SAG-AFTRA actor and you are mostly correct about saving money hiring reenactors but each person would also be paid for using their own armor. Still obviously less than making all the props. Also they usually hire groups like the Irish Military to be huge numbers of any kind of warriors. They are certain to be well trained, physically fit, easy to instruct, have lots of expereince and are used to working in those conditions for long days and being fed in the way they cater and not complaining. etc I know the volley arrow shooting gets you going, but I just think it's still possible that they used both the volley and direct firing of arrows because as you said The archers practiced all the time. The volley is not random at all. It's extremely accurate. They practice all the time. I am also an archery hunter and until it became frowned upon, hunters shot on the run at moving targets at great distances. It's exactly the same technique as throwing a football and can be perfected with practice. Just a thought. There is footage someplace that I saw with my own eyes, of some of the great archers like Ben Pearson and his peers shoot a long bow with at least 85 pound draw, about 130 yards and kill a mountain goat while he was running and the goat was running. Filmed all in one continuous shot so I'm certain it wasn't fake.
@PolluxA
@PolluxA 4 жыл бұрын
More nonsense about arrows not penetrating plate armour. Gesta clearly say they penetrated the sides and visors of their helmets.
@kristofantal8801
@kristofantal8801 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, the visor and some weak sides, BUT NOT THE BREASTPLATE (max only the low quality), and other parts... Go check Tod video about that in KZfaq...
@PolluxA
@PolluxA 4 жыл бұрын
@@kristofantal8801 www.quora.com/Was-the-test-with-bow-and-arrows-vs-plate-armour-on-the-KZfaq-channel-Tods-workshop-accurate-Did-they-do-anything-wrong-Can-t-arrows-penetrate-plate-armour-at-all-Is-the-story-about-the-archers-at-Agincourt/answer/Eirik-Ronald-Fossheim?fbclid=IwAR1j3FxzXmMIIq7sB06hHnWpGGrDJXEwFABZa4B3zXk_cnp-8NRL1Dn1BwU
@kristofantal8801
@kristofantal8801 4 жыл бұрын
@@PolluxA I read this artice in Quora... Yes, maybe Tod's test was not perfect, and was not the full picture, BUT I think they want to shows us that a good breastplate can stopped the arrows penetration (even in closed range too!)! AND THAT'S A FACT! The Quora article writer was wrote that to: An armor which was created from high quality steel, CAN stopped even the powerfull bodkin arrowhead too. I know that not every men-at-arms wore high quality steel armour (only the elite, richest, whose rate in a heavy cavalry was not high , yes that's true... BUT I wrote that too, poor quality armor can be pierced by such a strong arrowhead. Yes. I see evidence for that. The topic is complicated, and complex. And of course the RANGE is very important too! For example I think a bodkin head probably didn't penetrate a medium quality armour (except the weak points, like visor) from 150-200 m range. If the armor was so weak, what was it used for (including the English)? And I hardly believed no longbow or bodkin arrowhead penerate the early modern "bulletproof" armours (like the curassier or lancer armours), only the low quality munition armours (like a infantry one). And the other fact: Muskets (specially matchlock) displaced long bows from the 16th century, even the muskets were mutch slower than longbows. Yes, I admit it longbow with a bodkin arrowhead was very powerfull missle weapon, but I think a little overrated... We know, the weapon is one thing, the men is one thing (English archers were good soldeirs, they were not a low quality peasant levy), but tactics, organization, etc. was other things too. Look at the Battle of Patay! The English longbowmen"s suffered terrible defeat, and casaulties... And in the end, the French won the Hundred Year's War.
@PolluxA
@PolluxA 4 жыл бұрын
​@@kristofantal8801 I'm glad we are in agreement. But I have to stress that a 2.5 mm breastplate made of poor wrought iron with a fracture toughness of 120 kJ/m2 can be penetrated with 122 Joule (arrow with a 10*10 mm square head). If we use a lozenge shaped arrowhead, 14 mm wide and 10 mm thick, the way Mark Stretton did, we can reduce this to 103.77 Joule. If the arrow has an initial velocity of 54.5 m/s and weights 110 gram, the kinetic energy is 163.36 Joule. In other words, this arrow will penetrate a 2.5 mm breastplate AND the mail and arming doublet underneath, enough to wound the wearer at 40 meters. Exactly what some of the sources are saying.
@kristofantal8801
@kristofantal8801 4 жыл бұрын
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