Roman Segmentata Armour VS Medieval Brigandine Armour

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3 жыл бұрын

A comparison between these very interesting types of armour used in ancient Rome and in the Medieval period in Europe.
An armour (spelled armor in the US) is a protective covering that is used to prevent damage from being inflicted to an object, individual, or vehicle by weapons or projectiles, usually during combat, or from damage caused by a potentially dangerous environment or action.
The word "armour" began to appear in the Middle Ages as a derivative of Old French. It is dated from 1297 as a "mail, defensive covering worn in combat". The word originates from the Old French armure, itself derived from the Latin armatura meaning "arms and/or equipment", with the root armare meaning "arms or gear".
Armour has been used throughout recorded history. It has been made from a variety of materials, beginning with rudimentary leather protection and evolving through mail and metal plate into today's modern composites.
Significant factors in the development of armour include the economic and technological necessities of its production. For instance, plate armour first appeared in Medieval Europe when water-powered trip hammers made the formation of plates faster and cheaper.
Well-known armour types in European history include the lorica hamata, lorica squamata, and the lorica segmentata of the Roman legions, the mail hauberk of the early medieval age, and the full steel plate harness worn by later medieval and renaissance knights, and breast and back plates worn by heavy cavalry in several European countries until the first year of World War I (1914-15). The samurai warriors of feudal Japan utilised many types of armour for hundreds of years up to the 19th century.
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@moreparrotsmoredereks2275 3 жыл бұрын

Medieval armorers: even our cheap armor is fitted to place the weight on the waist, rather than the shoulders. Modern manufacturers, military and police departments making carriers for plates 3 times as thick: Nah, it'll be fine.

@irradix213 3 жыл бұрын

thank you, i've talked to cops who didn't get that compromise gets no one what they want

@34566454332 3 жыл бұрын

Labour was cheap, iron was expensive

@oranjeboven9622 3 жыл бұрын

@@34566454332 Iron was not expensive, high carbon spring steel was

@PJDAltamirus0425 3 жыл бұрын

Army size has ballooned to the point that we haven't figured how to such tailoring logistically feasible.

@BigWillyG1000 3 жыл бұрын

@@PJDAltamirus0425 That's one area where medieval soldiers or say even Roman soldiers had an advantage. Even the professional medieval soldiers like condotierre weren't so much issues kit as much as they were expected to turn their pay and loot into kit so getting personal tailoring wasn't that hard. Armor and weapons makers were as common a part of the camp follower train as food sellers and prostitutes. Even the "professional" Roman legions post-Marian reforms are commonly described as having equipment guidelines that any miles who could afford to upgrade on could do so. A gladius had to be X length but you could buy a nicer quality one than you were issued has long as it was X length fine.

@mrh4900 3 жыл бұрын

Just trying to imagine being Raf’s neighbor and watching him out on the balcony... lol

@MandalorSkyrd 3 жыл бұрын

Raf's Neighbor: *laughs in Italian*

@assumjongkey1383 3 жыл бұрын

It's not bad I nean

@jonfernandez8027 3 жыл бұрын

Lol that's good stuff

@cegesh1459 3 жыл бұрын

@@MandalorSkyrd Didn't he move to the U.S. or not yet?

@Snoy_Fly 3 жыл бұрын

👁👄👁

@Francescomonti60 3 жыл бұрын

Crush: do you know how to dance? Me: 3:05

@greenmachine5600 3 жыл бұрын

Funny shit 😆

@beardedbjorn5520 3 жыл бұрын

Well done Sir

@Johnny_Tambourine 3 жыл бұрын

Neighbor - "Dammit Raf I told you to stop parking your Ballista in my spot!" Raf - "Testudo!"

@maximgun3833 3 жыл бұрын

Just imagine it all being shouted in Italian. Much better!

@jchen8792 3 жыл бұрын

@@maximgun3833 even better: it all being shouted in Italian, with typical Italian "talks by the hands, to the hands"...

@karliikaiser3800 3 жыл бұрын

I think the medieval people had a stronger sense of fashion. The Romans did primarily want function whereas the medieval people did also want funktion, but status, appearance and fashion was more important to them.

@decus9544 3 жыл бұрын

That's in large part I believe because the Roman armour was equipment developed and distributed by the State, where they would want something functional and easy to mass produce. In the Medieval period people had to buy their own equipment, so would care more about the details. Actually if you look further back in history at the Republican era, the Roman armour also had a bit more character I would say, with more features that weren't entirely practical such as we see with the Italo-Corinthian helmet worn primarily by the Triarii.

@troydevol8760 3 жыл бұрын

I have one thing to say toga praetexta

@lucascastro2802 3 жыл бұрын

"stronger sense of fashion" is a really relative term.

@asloii_1749 3 жыл бұрын

I find Roman fashion to be more appealing but that's my opinion

@michaelpettersson4919 3 жыл бұрын

That is like talking about modern soldiers fashion sense when making comments on their uniforms.

@ktheterkuceder6825 3 жыл бұрын

I only have one question: when are you going to make that italian masterpiece cooking video?

@ctrlaltdebug 3 жыл бұрын

I mean, even Wranglerstar made a cooking video.

@TheMCcreepermen 3 жыл бұрын

I mean, even DragonForce has made a few.

@ktheterkuceder6825 3 жыл бұрын

@@ctrlaltdebug and to make things worse metatron is italian and there are shit ton of italian masterpieces of food

@cahallo5964 3 жыл бұрын

@@ktheterkuceder6825 He did cook pasta twice in his video about painting some figures

@ktheterkuceder6825 3 жыл бұрын

@@cahallo5964 Yes. But I want him to cook and shows how he does it.

@depressedcheeseburger3598 3 жыл бұрын

With the vast knowledge this man possesses, he should make a full fledged documentary on a medieval topic. Heck, the entire community of swords should collab in one.

@OnlyKaerius 3 жыл бұрын

So, him, Skallagrim, Scholagladiatoria, and Shadiversity? Lindybeige maybe?

@josephgallo5170 3 жыл бұрын

Ngl itd just endup being a massive cringe fest

@omarabe26 3 жыл бұрын

@@josephgallo5170 Why is that?

@depressedcheeseburger3598 3 жыл бұрын

@@OnlyKaerius that's the dream team.

@OnlyKaerius 3 жыл бұрын

@@depressedcheeseburger3598 Could also toss in Tod's Workshop.

@shadowrunner8014 3 жыл бұрын

*motions to the brigandine* This is brilliant! *moves back to the segmentata* But, I LIKE this...

@steyn1775 3 жыл бұрын

more like the other way around

@steyn1775 3 жыл бұрын

@Bold it wasn't abandoned by the Romans because it was badly designed...otherwise they wouldn't have used it FOR 300 FUCKING YEARS They just abandoned it for Lorica Hamata (roman chainmail) because it has less strain on logistics and maintenance and more comfortable for the soldiers

@muhamadsayyidabidin3906 3 жыл бұрын

For me brigandine is more aesthetically appealing. Heck, even late chinese officer uniform are basically true studded armor. They just mimicking the outer profile of their brigandine, without actually had metal plates inside.

@steyn1775 3 жыл бұрын

@Bold ok lol, believe the lies you tell yourself lol

@rango854 3 жыл бұрын

@@steyn1775 End because of economic crisis that they had.

@MLCloneCODgamer 3 жыл бұрын

Roman armour just has that "je ne sais quoi" that adds the sexy factor that nothing can compare with

@nicklab1927 3 жыл бұрын

Well, it's an iconic design, kept for quite long by a long-lasting powerful empire. It has some prestige attached to it. But I prefer the esthetics of the brigandine. The color contrast between the rivets and the fabric is really pleasing.

@toropazzoide 3 жыл бұрын

@@nicklab1927 from an aesthetic point of view, the brigandine has the huge pro that since it's fabric on the outside it can be whatever colour you like, while an iron armour can have some variations yes but not nearly enough compared. I personally love the segmentata, but I just love the colour of steel and how shiny it is, if my favorite colour were, say, green, probably a green brigandine would fit my tastes more.

@nicklab1927 3 жыл бұрын

@@toropazzoide I don't know how long the steel would stay shiny though. Unless if you polish it and protect constantly (I'm quite sure the legions would have some sort of routine to keep their kit nice and clean).

@arkenarikson2481 3 жыл бұрын

Especially cause you can selfhug that little bit more in it! XD

@andreasolsson4539 3 жыл бұрын

Well they were italians. Off course they would want to look sexy. That's why they were always fighting with their neighbours. It's all about looking hot for those red haired fair keltic hotties and buxom germanic maidens.

@livrasyt166 3 жыл бұрын

the last time I was that early, rome was still some town owned by the etruscans

@ScorpioMartianus 3 жыл бұрын

Haha nice 😂

@BNRmatt 3 жыл бұрын

That is an exquisite looking brigandine. I've long said my character in my D&D game wears a brigandine; now I was able to send this video to my group and say "His armor looks just like this, only green." *chef's kiss*

@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight 3 жыл бұрын

The side by side comparison is beautiful! I love the yin-yang qualities of nighttime on the brigandine side, and daytime on the segmentata side, as well as the blue vs red coloring on your respective outfits. And the medieval background on the left juxtaposed with the ancient Roman artwork on the right is just so satisfying. 10/10, Metatron :D

@metatronyt 3 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked It!

@jarongreen5480 3 жыл бұрын

We need more of the "Silly Hat" in videos. Anyway this was a very interesting look at the two pieces of armor. Honestly I really love the Brigandine. For my next Tales Of Orlen graphic novel I've been working on figuring out how to draw Brigandine's easily, because obviously with all those rivets it could quickly become a nightmare, I've managed make it kind of easy but at the moment it's still fairly complicated to draw so I think I'll have to limit its use to that of main or special characters so that I don't have to draw thirty men wearing Brigs in one scene. Thanks again for the video and have a wonderful day, Metatron.

@amirhosseinmaghsoodi388 3 жыл бұрын

According to Shad's video on the brigandine there were solid plate cuirasses(I think thats the plural) that were riveted to fabric and they had less rivets so maybe if you like that version's look and function you could try it on a richer character that needs to be drawn a lot

@jarongreen5480 3 жыл бұрын

@@amirhosseinmaghsoodi388 Yeah I did end up going with the cuirass with less rivets design that you mentioned. Still pretty tricky to draw but definitely simpler :)

@marion_roberts 3 жыл бұрын

I like how the brigandine protects a knight in battle and then can hold it's own on the banquet afterwards. Edit: Hi,Raf. If you're reading this, I think we found a next great topic for you to explore.

@Overlord99762 3 жыл бұрын

Doubt the nobles at court would see the brigandine as nothing more than a modern plate carrier

@matthiuskoenig3378 3 жыл бұрын

@@Overlord99762 I don't know about that, wearing armour at balls and festivities happened even after armour was abandoned as a military item. not saying it was definately done all the time, but it was fashionable to wear armour, or partial armour sometimes in the post medieval era. there is armour even specifically made for festivities and balls (that is too thin for protection and that we have records saying it wasn't for protection). so it happening in medieval times too would not supprise me.

@Overlord99762 3 жыл бұрын

@@matthiuskoenig3378 I imagine military leaders and d}such, like wearing a cuirass with the medals and all, but I have to research that, I cannot picture a knight going to a ball or feast clad in full plate.

@matthiuskoenig3378 3 жыл бұрын

@@Overlord99762 oh for sure, but then again there was that one french hussar general that went to a ball in full battledress, horse and all. (if the tale i remember reading about is true, when i make these statements i tend to try and find them again. and couldn't in my relatively quick research, i feel like it was LaSalle. Edit 2: found it, yes it was General Lasalle)

@Overlord99762 3 жыл бұрын

@@matthiuskoenig3378 what an absolute chad

@ScorpioMartianus 3 жыл бұрын

Glorious! I’ve been waiting for this one. I wonder which one you’ll prefer ultimately! My heart is definitely fixed in Ancient Rome, but the brigandine is exquisite. ⚔️

@TeutonicEmperor1198 3 жыл бұрын

I love the KZfaq history loving community

@magister.mortran 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, nice to look at, but impractical in the field.

@fuferito 3 жыл бұрын

@@magister.mortran, Both of these are faithful reproductions of historical armour, so they were both _actually_ used in the field in their heyday.

@FalconWindblader 3 жыл бұрын

@@magister.mortran The brigandine was ARMOR worn in battlefields, for goodness' sakes! Watch the video before you decide to say stupid shit like that!

@richardmoore5347 3 жыл бұрын

I will be perfectly honest, after seeing this, I want to see Raph try out a set of landsknecht garb now.

@rudiruttger 3 жыл бұрын

Yes!

@cegesh1459 3 жыл бұрын

Reissläufer.

@brittakriep2938 3 жыл бұрын

@@cegesh1459 : Wasn' t this used for swiss mercenaries?

@cegesh1459 3 жыл бұрын

@@brittakriep2938 You are exactly right.

@brittakriep2938 3 жыл бұрын

@@cegesh1459 : At school we read the theater piece ,Wilhelm Tell' from Friedrich Schiller. There i first saw the word ,Reisige' and was rather astonished, because i knew only ,Reisig' as thin branches.

@spiffyracc 3 жыл бұрын

The helmets look like they are gigantic sitting on your table closer to the camera

@marcelogonzalez8547 3 жыл бұрын

Listen to that music, he's not even hiding the fact this is armor porn.

@wolfancap6897 2 жыл бұрын

My opinion about asthetics is that the brigandine wins because it has cloth on the outside, resulting in more varied designs and patterns while keeping the protection unchanged. The segmentata while it has a gorgeous design, it can get a bit old because its plates are on the outside so you can only get so creative without harming It's functionallity.

@s.w.4409 3 жыл бұрын

Can you make a video about the coat of arms and colours used by medival knights, men-at-arms and peasants in an army? How would an medival army actually have looked like color wise?

@brittakriep2938 3 жыл бұрын

With the exeption of small bodyguard squads the ,fighters' had not been uniformed. Perhaps they had the same simple sign painted or sewed(?) on their jacket. When in late 17th century uniforms became common, there had been up to the end of colourfull uniforms arround 1910 in every army allways some troops, which had uniforms in other colours than usual. When now troops of the same army had different uniforms, it became a problem, when allied troops fought together, who is enemy and who an ally? For this reason, armbinds or sashes had been used, or simpler, the soldiers fixed, for example a little branch or a handfull straw as sign at their hats. I don' t know, if it is true, for a special ceremony the royal danish guard still apeares with some straw at their hats.

@s.w.4409 3 жыл бұрын

@@brittakriep2938 Hey, thanks for the answer! Markings like arm patches, sashes and so on make sense, but do we actually have any historical evidence for that? Unfortunately i wasn't able to find any... Would knightly orders be more uniform? For example the knights templar or teutonic knights? In modern depictions those orders always seem to be in pretty much one color scheme.

@brittakriep2938 3 жыл бұрын

@@s.w.4409 : For the case, you visit Germany, in the town Bad Mergentheim , in state Baden- Württemberg there is the museum of the ,Deutscher Orden', because this territory was the largest one, they had after the loss of Prussia. When i was there in 2019, i remember that they had a kind of uniform in Renaissance Time, depending on the rank ( for example Komtur), but in medieval time i don't remember, if they realy had a uniform in modern sense, or only of similar style and colour. Also in the same region is a museum of the Johanniter or Maltese Order, i think in the rather small town of Kirchberg an der Jagst (?) .

@BigWillyG1000 3 жыл бұрын

As colorful as the average civilian population which is much more colorful that movies show. All but the poorest could afford dyed cloth and stuff like madder red or woad blue is dirt cheap. I think Skallagrim has a video on it.

@brittakriep2938 3 жыл бұрын

@@BigWillyG1000 : But you perhaps don't know, but in Germany there had been ,Kleiderordnungen' ( dress-/ clothorders) in which was regulated, what kind of dress was allowed to the different classes of society. This lasted at least to 16th/17th century.

@DLockholm 3 жыл бұрын

I've asked this question in another video but I'll do it again: There are a lot of different types for pretty much all the military equipment used by Roman legionaries, for example: Gladius Mainz Gladius Fulham Lorica Segmenta Coldbridge Lorica Segmenta Kalkriese The different variations of the Roman helmets from the Montefortino to the Imperial Italic That being said, what are the most effective types of variations for each of all those weapons? is there even a better version? If not, when is X version the most optimal weapon for Y situation? We need a lot more in depth videos about Roman warfare!

@ArmouredProductions 3 жыл бұрын

All the design variations are more about manufacturing than effectiveness. I personally like the Mainz Gladius by aesthetics and you could argue the longer tip compared to a Pompeii could assit with piercing through mail. But ultimately its more about manufacturing processes and mass production for such a large Empire and Army.

@francesco3772 3 жыл бұрын

@@ArmouredProductions not entirely true, even when equipment was issued by the state a lot of legionaries could and in fact would buy at least armour fitted for them, so the local manufacturers adapted their style to the preferences of the legio/nes which was influenced by what enemy they fought or by the specialization of its troops.

@ArmouredProductions 3 жыл бұрын

@@francesco3772 then tell me the advantage of a Fulham Gladius versus a Pompeii Gladius.

@francesco3772 3 жыл бұрын

@@ArmouredProductions ask the romans

@SuperFunkmachine 3 жыл бұрын

@@ArmouredProductions Better thruster, better tapering across the blade. The Pompeii type is parallel sided and has a 45 degree triangular tip, all made to make the swords easy an cheaper to make.

@phosistkar6425 3 жыл бұрын

one thing that is worth mentioning in your comfort/mobility tests that may have favored the brigandine is you omitted any form of shoulder defense. With a high quality example like yours it's very likely that whoever was wearing it would have some form of defense for his arms as well even if that was just in the form of mail sleeves or a 3/4 length sleeved shirt of mail. plate options would also be appropriate for that particular brigandine but not always used. Cool video though, I really love that style of brigandine and the blue velvet with the brass rivets is a great color combination.

@liger7275 3 жыл бұрын

I love the slightly porno intro.

@carltonbauheimer 3 жыл бұрын

"Slightly"

@IamOutOfNames 3 жыл бұрын

He is a man of many talents...

@Obi-WanKannabis 3 жыл бұрын

Both are state of the art for their time. Brigandine, at first glance, might not appear like a much better armour than the roman segmentata, but all it's little design improvements add up to something much more comfortable to wear, and that is hugely important.

@Obi-WanKannabis 3 жыл бұрын

@Bold Mail is great but it clearly doesn't offer the same order of protection as plate. Mail also got abandoned in favour of newer armour, that doesn't mean it wasn't state of the art for a long time.

@JoseManuel-is4yc 3 жыл бұрын

I´m triying to figure out why you put Flamenco music, but I love it!

@Jazmillenium 3 жыл бұрын

Salve, Metatron! Nothing can match the peak aesthetic that is the Lorica Segmenta in my humble opinion, but both sets of armor you have are so GORGEOUS! Amazing and educational as always.

@GiulioImparato 3 жыл бұрын

i think the reason they preferred to individually lace each fastener for the segmentata's front is because in case of blade damage with a one lace criss-cross tecnique you would find yourself with an open front in one go.

@andreasolsson4539 3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. Also it's hard to fix when you're in the front line. Personally i would want to be as sure as i could be that nothing like that happens.

@eyesofstatic9641 3 жыл бұрын

That beginning though... 👌 Your collection is quite amazing!

@Ryan-dp4rs 3 жыл бұрын

Love the production quality of this video! Keep up the good work, Raf.

@thebigone6071 3 жыл бұрын

Those Romans were clapping armored cheeks even back in those olden times! You da best ever Metatron!!!!!

@jamesmckay8776 3 жыл бұрын

Love your videos Metatron. Very informative and engaging!

@cliffordjensen8725 7 ай бұрын

Enjoyed the video a lot. Good job!

@ktheterkuceder6825 3 жыл бұрын

I ask for it. My man delivers. Great video.

@Xerroc22 3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting comparison between the two. I see how the lorica segmentata is advanced for its age but the brigandine is put together so nicely and it is very easy to remove

@alyssadeva383 3 жыл бұрын

Kudos pure effort!

@johnspera8369 3 жыл бұрын

Hi M! Man you are so good; and precise with your explanations; much applause!!! Thanks.

@jonfernandez8027 3 жыл бұрын

This was fun comparing two sets of armor over a thousand years difference! Thank you for sharing.

@Surrealiantx 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing comparison! I love the lorica segmentata at the end of the day, so majestic and badass

@TheKunLaszlo 3 жыл бұрын

Hello Raff! First of all, thank you for your vids, for your working, I have learnt a lot. This is the first vid, in which I have different thoughts. As you mention, the brigandine is more labor intensive and requires more plates etc. OK, so this needed for the more tailored qualities. In the other hand from design perspective the segmentata was able to give the adequate level of protection, with much less components. If we consider the technologies of the periods, and the numbers required to sustain the armies, I would say from design perspective the segmentata is the winner. Easy to produce, much cheaper, easy to maintain, yet still tailor able for the individual solder till a certain level, and gives a reasonable protection, especially used with scutum. The other point is the weight of the shoulder protection. As I am not a specialist, but still can see, the difference is significant in protection. The roman piece covers more of the shoulder area, and lot of the upper arm, what brigandine is not. Maybe, I am wrong, but I would go for the segmentata, especially if I have to fulfill the needs of an army. Again, just design aspect.

@metatronyt 3 жыл бұрын

As I did write but forgot to say, the brigandine can be supplemented with shoulder protection, which would be suspended through points, so you woulnd't feel them at all. Also early brigandines had a lot less plates, but in the late 15th century they specifically chose to increase the number of plates, because it gives more mobility and a lot more flexibility.

@TheKunLaszlo 3 жыл бұрын

@@metatronyt Firstly, you honor me with your answer. Thanks, I see the point. And understand why a good brigandine is a better piece of craftsmanship. But still the gear of the legiones for me. ;) Freakin' fanboy! Keep up the good work man, and Roma invicta! :D

@mnk9073 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing video as always my good man. One question: Is the corrazina with it's bigger chest plates simply a contemporary variation of the brigandine or a later stage of it's evolution?

@elcuencodelafelicidad 3 жыл бұрын

Great video.. keep spreading these wings 👍

@silas__3994 3 жыл бұрын

where can i get such a beautifully silly historically accurate medieval hat?

@irradix213 3 жыл бұрын

thank you Raph, i want to try to do one of these in modern materials and ballistic plate

@Vaedran 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for explaining how the front of the brigandine works, I was really curious about that!

@fohat50 3 жыл бұрын

it's beautiful, in that colour in that kinda silk, you are very lucky to have the kind of support which makes it possible for you to obtain and then show us such pieces, nice one Metatron

@trentweston8306 3 жыл бұрын

My comment is totally irrelevant but I wanted to say again how brilliant your Soul Calibur video is. Genius idea and a daunting level of work.

@ctrlaltdebug 3 жыл бұрын

Yes!!!!! I've been waiting for this.

@powergaminggg8730 3 жыл бұрын

While watching the video few thoughts popped up in my mind. 1) Roman legionary would look at Medieval Brigandine like we some kind of super-advance technology, they would see the difference 2) technology progress matters, as Shad said in his video about Jericho sword - and how he suggested that the origin of 'magical' weapons and armors may come from technological differences. A steel sword facing bronze weapons and armor would look magical with it's ability to pierce them. A steel armor (especially full-plate) would look invincible by a previous era standards. 3) You should've put normal everyday cloths moving routine near the other two with armor, for comparison.

@Riceball01 3 жыл бұрын

Great video, I never thought about how comparable lorica segmenta is to brigandine until this video. One thing that you should have done in this video was to compare putting on each armor like you did taking them off. To me, it looks like your brigandine would be a tad faster and easier to put on than the segmentata. Btw, if I may ask, how much did you brigandine cost? I'm sure that it's well beyond my budget right now and I have way too many other things I'd rather get with the money. But, if I happen to get the money, I'd love to get a set of brigandine like yours. As nice as both Matt Easton's and Shad's are, yours is far, far nice looking (in my opinion).

@Slayer119988 3 жыл бұрын

When you brought up the point that a lorica would seem as ancient to a medieval warrior as the brigandine does to us, I thought of how *advanced* the brigandine would be to a legionary. The weight distribution, hourglass shape, plate connections and fasteners, and flexibility, just a few of many improvements over a thousand years. Propelled by science and driven by battle tested observations.

@lionofpersis 3 жыл бұрын

Yo @metatron, I know you cover Romans a lot. How about covering the Roman/Byzantine rival of Parthia/Sassanid Persia? Give us insight into tactics, armor, weapons, etc. it’s a ridiculous amount of content that you can use and also helps understand why the Romans adapted to warfare on the Eastern front.

@siekensou77 3 жыл бұрын

these comparison videos are fun

@SuicV 3 жыл бұрын

Am I the only one that imagined that a deep low pithed voice would start describing the armor in the intro?

@HYSTERIA-we6fg 3 жыл бұрын

Shad looses this brigandine show off the vivid blue you have is exquisite.

@BertzTriscut 3 жыл бұрын

Another benefit to the brigantine is that the outer fabric can come in any color or material, provided you have the money. Shadiversity's is maroon and I'm thinking of picking up a black one myself.

@nicklab1927 3 жыл бұрын

Scholiagladiatoria's got a black one if I remember correctly. Skallagrim has a green one. Lot of choice :)

@laisphinto6372 Жыл бұрын

go go brigadine Rangers

@angelmg8902 3 жыл бұрын

Mmmm... Love your vids, been following you since the very beginning, your channel has evolved in something way more professional and dedicated, but too many ads mate, watch out with that.

@metatronyt 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! And I dont control the amount of Adds

@dreysantillan 3 жыл бұрын

3:04 i like this scene The brigandine being blue have blue tone bg and the lorica segmentata having red-ish or warm tone

@j.d.j9574 3 жыл бұрын

Hey just a cool suggestion can you make a podcast. I would love to see a podcast

@SigmarSich 2 жыл бұрын

The best fashion channel :)

@HeadCannonPrime 3 жыл бұрын

During the mobility testing I can't help being reminded about all those toy articulation reviews on youtube.

@stoneagealienz874 Жыл бұрын

4:07 his face is like "fuck what did i do with the Brigandine again? ahh fuck it just do some moves"

@jeremywashburn562 3 жыл бұрын

I really like the copper alloy fixtures on the shoulders of the lorica segmentata.

@joesierolon5171 3 жыл бұрын

I would like to learn and see more about the spanish navaja and maybe the arms manual and it’s tactics 🙌

@Eitan.moskovitz 3 жыл бұрын

You mentioned it briefly, but I want to talk a little more about balance. In my experience with modern body armour, its elevates the centre of gravity. Its more difficult to stay stable while walking, especially on a challenging terrain. We where all traind soldier, but every few seconds someone fell. We walked with us a citizen, that wasn't wearing an armour, and he walked more easily than all of us. The armour on the shoulders in the segmentata probably elevate the centre of gravity a lot. I think that for long march, the bridandin will be way more comfortable.

@guiorgy 3 жыл бұрын

A few more things I'd like to ask: 1. How does the material and thickness compare? From what I understand, Roman steel would've been lower quality, but then again, most Brigandines (unless made for nobles) were made from "scrap" plates, often of variing quality and thickness. (Again, I might be wrong) 2. From what I can tell, the plates of Segmentata overlap such that you could theoretically thrust a sword from below into between the plates. The Brigandine on the other hand overlaps in the opposite direction (mostly?). Is this true, and how likely, in your opinion, would it be to get a blade in between plates? 3. Segmentata is very flat. In contrast, the Brigandine, besides the hourglass shape, looks to be more rounded at the front. Do you think that would help with glancing some blows? And would the cloth on top interfere with that in any way? (Like increased friction, or something?)

@mgunfighter 3 жыл бұрын

perhaps you can do a comparison between your manchira armour and brigandine armour, cheers

@Overonator 3 жыл бұрын

Hey have you watched the Highlander TV series? Wouldn't be it cool if you go through all the swords in that series from all the Immortals. There is a shit ton.

@BNRmatt 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant video. One question I want answered: why did segmentata fall out of favor? It seems to me it would be better than mail. Was it just more expensive to make or something else?

@viron6734 Жыл бұрын

It was indeed superior to chainmail but Roman technology declined towards the end. By AD 410 they were largely relying on foreign troops using spears with chainmail; still decent, but a regression from the heavy legio in lorica segmenta welding a gladius.

@thatonenerdwhoreadsbyhimse5429 3 жыл бұрын

If I was a medieval knight, I definitely would were that during banquets or social gatherings. It's comfortable and fashionable, aslo a decent amount of protection.

@jonc2914 Жыл бұрын

It rusts and impossible to fix

@REALPEDROGAMEPLAYS Жыл бұрын

@@jonc2914 I guess so, but theres methods to combat both of thoss

@MechaShadowV2 3 жыл бұрын

That is a nice shade of blue. A couple questions, one, I ran across a thread recently (ironically comparing segmentata and brigandine) where someone said that segmentata was a poor armor for heavy weapons, and that it was only good for use against arrows, I'm curious how accurate that is. Another question is assuming the segmentata was the same quality of steel as the brigandine, would it be as good, protection wise, as the brigandine?

@eyeballpapercut4400 3 жыл бұрын

At some parts you look like you're preparing for a roman/medieval themed adult movie

@Baraodojaguary 3 жыл бұрын

I like your choise of music

@srinjoyroychoudhury7034 3 жыл бұрын

Can you make a video on legionary food and rations?

@hasselnttper3730 3 жыл бұрын

The Roman armor *looks* way better imo. It's so iconic!

@arx3516 3 жыл бұрын

but with that blue velvet cover and brass studs the brigandine wouldn't be out of place at court during a banquet, if worn over a nice doublet, the lorica however would be totally out of place in a high society enviroment.

@matthiuskoenig3378 3 жыл бұрын

it looks cruder, which has its own kind of beauty.

@darkmattergamesofficial 3 жыл бұрын

Armor videos never get old

@nerofoxkrell 3 жыл бұрын

What would you say would be a good style of gambeson for alternative to use for say an 8th century set up preferably norse

@Blondie42 3 жыл бұрын

Your brigandine armor is more asthetically pleasing to me. If you stood next to Shad in his, even with his matching pauldrons, I would go with yours. 💙

@kevinhernandezretana2170 3 жыл бұрын

5:44 Metatron packing, huh? 😆

@catocall7323 3 жыл бұрын

Lol it's the codpiece fine sir

@eyeballpapercut4400 3 жыл бұрын

I literally just reached that part when I saw your comment lol

@Conservative_crusader 3 жыл бұрын

Great starting music

@justinscott1691 11 ай бұрын

Thank you once again for a real and authentic teaching of those armours, if only our modern war fighting generals, politicians and metallurgical scientists and material chemists could get together with you at the same time over a nice cup of tea what could we create. But then again maybe that's not a good idea, maybe you should retire into a small unknown town with your family and know that what you have done thus far is more then what most people would ever hope to achieve, you have always been a stable and constant reminder of not only what we were capable of , but whats possible now, and for those almost as smart as you , what's install for our future, please take time to take stock of all your works, your best days may still be ahead of you. Jus

@michaelmitchell8410 3 жыл бұрын

Could you talk about different kinds of full plate and witch you think are the best

@plot6520 3 жыл бұрын

The one you can afford, affects your mobility the least and covers you the most.

@jansvoboda4293 9 ай бұрын

It also seems to me that several straps on brigandine make it more resistant to be compromised by cuts as theoretically one good cut to the leather on lorica strip or cord could lead to loss of tight closure on the front.

@REX-gq6ur 3 жыл бұрын

Meanwhile in Australia: "Mom! The polka dots man is outside again!"

@celestialdiscord2716 3 жыл бұрын

Can you please do a vid reacting to bad armors?So it can educate us on what to buy and not?

@Dragosescu999 3 жыл бұрын

Hi there, Metatron. Could you make a historically accurate video on the Norse iconic characters? We would be forever grateful :D

@rolandorodriguez9625 3 жыл бұрын

How dificult would be the repair of the brigandine after many cuts and trust in battle? Do you have to replace the entire clothing that holds the metal if it is damaged or it can be patched? Nice video btw.

@jonc2914 Жыл бұрын

Impossible

@sirduckoufthenorth 3 жыл бұрын

You should get the brig that Shad bought, looked more mobile, nice and comfy

@paullabossiere5239 3 жыл бұрын

what about stealth? Does one clank and clink more than the other? I had hoped the brigs fabric would help with muffling the sound.

@wesleydecasere9832 3 жыл бұрын

3:05 NOW THIS IS THE CONTENT I NEED

@m.j.9318 3 жыл бұрын

@Metatron Hello Metatron, i dont know if youre reading this, but i would have a suggestion on a video topic for you. Its about the sashimono (the japanese banner most soldiers carried around. I found out that there is only very sparse information about it throughout the internet, besides very brief wikipedia articles that state : "it was a battle flag worn by japanese soldiers...." so yes? i did know that before...BUT, Maybe you know more about it and can answer some questions like : 1. why it was used? 2. what was written on it, in detail 3. how did the system work? 4. Who carried it? 5. In which period did it become popular 6. (speculative) what influences on a battlefioeld did it have, and what would have happened if the euroipeans also could identify "their" troops more easily. 7. when it was abandoned (i suppose in the transition to modern armys, like in "the last samurai") There are some videos of several movies here on youtube, in which the sashimono is depicted on almost every soldier. I dont have a reason to doubt that. Overall it is a clever system and gives you a much better overview of where yours and the enmys troops are. Since there are almost no videos specifically made on this topic ( i found NOTHING) can you pls make one? Thx for reading this, and lets keep up the good work for fighting against misinformation and distortion of history. You are great, man. Greetings from germany.

@ab7920 4 ай бұрын

Haha! I was just thinking about this exact thing. 2years later... I wonder if you could improve upon segmentata for the modernish world

@huntclanhunt9697 3 жыл бұрын

Silly hat is on. It just got serious.

@jameslewis2635 3 жыл бұрын

It seems to me that there is a clear line of evolution between the segmentata and the brigandine. While the segmentata is a very solid armour it does have visible openings around the armpits and slightily in towards the sternum where the weirer could be vulnerable to thrusting attacks while as the brigandine has its protection reaching straight up and over the shoulders. Having said that the segmentata clearly has better shoulder and upper arm protection until you factor in that brigandine would most likely be worn with a chain shirt as well as pouldrons, bucklers and gauntlets which would protect the entire arms and hands (which the segmemtata leaves exposed). In terms of comfort, I think the video makes it clear that the brigandine is by far the better option over time due to the weight being on the hips rather than on the shoulders. The next thing that comes to my mind is the question of which one would be easier for a soldier on the march to maintain? Considering that a soldier has to march over pretty much any condition from mud, rain and snow through to desert and tropical forests this could be a deciding factor over the course of a campaign - if not for the condition of the gear itself, but for how much energy and resources need to be put into keeping it working.

@kjb5128 Жыл бұрын

I would imagine less cloth would be more convenient for rain and mud. That was one of the problems with surcoats

@Alceste1980 3 жыл бұрын

Le velours bleu de ta brigantine est vraiment sublime!

@Harrowed2TheMind 3 жыл бұрын

Bien d'accord, et c'est d'autant plus le cas avec le contraste des rivets en laiton!

@JackyHeijmans 3 жыл бұрын

First, I know nothing about it, so I am just going by what I see on you. The Brigandine looks prettier. Though the Segmentata, I remember you wearing it for two weeks, and saying after a few days you did not notice you were wearing it anymore. And to my ignorant eye, it looks like you move a lot smoother and better in the Segmentata... It is like the Brigandine makes you go kind of stiff... maybe it is me. Also, you mention the way you closed the Segmentata, with the string. If one would cut that string in one place, the whole of the front would open up, so yea, I think it would be better to close them individually.. Must admit this is coming from somebody that has never held a sword or anything in my life... I am more interested in the history, than in going off to a battle field.. Much love to you, and thank you for another interesting video!!! Hugs 🤗

@jamoecw 2 жыл бұрын

shifting weight to the hips feels better (i would argue it is better), but the downside is that it might restrict blood flow to the legs. not a lot, but on long journeys your legs will get tired faster. when i wear a weight belt (which puts all weight on the hips, to about the tune of 20lbs.) i get tired after hiking a mile to the coast. though i don't feel the weight as much when i put it on (or even after some time), i tend to put the weight belt over my shoulder for this very reason for long hikes. the weight is felt a lot more over the shoulder, but i don't get tired nearly as fast. of course i would say that on the hips is better overall for body armor as putting the weight on your back wears it out much faster than normal, even if you don't feel it. we know this from soldiers that have to wear body armor for 12+ hours a day in the field, resulting in back problems from normally healthy people within only a few deployments.