Were The Ancient Romans Nordic? The Truth

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Metatron

Metatron

7 ай бұрын

So, when we imagine the ancient Romans, particularly the ruling elites is this how we should imagine them? Where the ancient Romans Nordic? Did they belong to the Nordic phenotype?
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It doesn't matter which side of the spectrum they come from, lies are lies and we attack all without hesitation.
The idea that the ancient Romans belonged to the Nordic Phenotypic type is part of a theoretical system which generally speaking was born in Germany and fostered by the likes of Hans Friedrich Karl Gunther. We are specifically referring to the set of theories called Nordicism.
The ancient Romans being Nordic, with a stronger enphasis on the ruling elite, is an easy claim to attack. To address it we'll utilize a systemic data analysis model in order to evaluate the coherence of such investigation system, and its sub routinse. And whether or not an argument is contradictory in its premises once looked upon throgh the perspective of iconographic, literarly and material evidence, including DNA analysis. We will call this a logic investigation sequence and consisntence check criteria.
Intro
1 - The Flux of Time
2 - What is Nordicism?
3 - The Hypothesis
4 - An Academically Weak Case
5 - The so Called Roman Nordic Elite
6 - The True Emperors' Looks
7 - The Myth of the Blonde Prostitutes
8 - Ancient Regional Genetic Substructure and Continuity
Conclusion
The Flux of Time
The past is a dynamic continuum. As humans stride across the centuries, a complete ethnic monolithic fulcre of civilization, particularly when core societies become multi cultural due to foreign individual relocation patterns, conquest, citizenship extention and other factors, is difficult to identify, but it's usually present.
Power, success and wealth attracts immigration. The city of Rome also attracted people from various regions throughout the Mediterranean basin and a certain degree of cosmopolitanism would have been encountered in the city. However, at least when it comes to Italian Romans, a long lasting continuum of the genetic fabric of the population appears to be demonstrable regardless of barbaric invasions, slave influx and other external demographic pressures. The imprint these phenomena had on the original population chains in the peninsula is not zero but was never overwhelming.
However a claim such as "the Romans were Nordic before immigration and foreign influx within the population ethnic strata" requires a statistically significant core of identifiable factors, in order to be proven. A strong discrepancy between objective data and theoretical postulation will have to be negligible for the hypothesis to stand.
Moreover in order to determine the ethnic consistency of the Italian Roman people we will make use of several resources. Literary evidence, iconographic evidence, genetic evidence. Then we'll formulate a consistent hypothesis based on the examination of all reliable information.
Political groups on all sides often make use of vague statements as a form of mass manipulation, due to the general lack of resource access and higher understanding of these historical concepts by the masses. Let's rectify that.
Furthermore, if the Romans were indeed Nordic, we would also need to see a high level of Germanic socio linguistic interference and cultural heritage retention.
What is the integer which would correctly describe the phenomenon. One step at a time.
What is Nordicism?
Although on this video we are specifically focusing on the claims concernig the Ancient Romans, I'd like to spend a word or two to frame our discussion when it comes to what Nordicism is and what it claimed.
Nordicism as a school of thought was born between the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century within several cultural circles, in Europe and America, having among its main proponents, the American Madison Grant, the Frenchman De Gobineau and the German Eugen Fischer.
According to this ideology, the Nordic Phenotypes were intellectually and culturally superior to all others. The Nordic type being superior to all also meant that no other “lesser” racial groups had been able to do as much historically; and so the wake of this hypothesis the Roman empire becomes a problem you see. Because how can a Southern European empire be capable of such splendor if they were lesser beings?
Gunther in his "Rassenkunde Europas" translated in English as The Racial Elements of European History, Attributes the creative force of history to the Nordic element within the ethnic fabric of mankind, and within a picture that tries to claim ethnic appropriation of all the winners, of course the Romans would be included.
#ancientrome #nordic #metatron

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@metatronyt
@metatronyt 7 ай бұрын
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@skibidi.G
@skibidi.G 7 ай бұрын
Tsk tsk Metatron, you're a Swedish transplant... You just didn't know about it yet. Let's ask Günther.
@azurebadger
@azurebadger 7 ай бұрын
I have a critique regarding your definitions and contextual substantiation used for your approach to the subject. You limited the frame of reference to the roman society as it was during the time of its empire, not the origins of its people. You need to go much further back in time to find the origins of both greek and roman people. What the claim about nordic ancestry asserted, as in the definition developed during the 19th century you used, had a different assertion in that the mediteranian greeks and romans shared more ancient common roots. That was what you were supposed to critique. Not the descriptions the romans used to distinguish themselves in their chronicles. You yourself bear the resemblance of a yamnaya tribesman as we now generally think them to have appeared. Much diminished in stature of course. No offense. This was a common ancestor. One all europeans share in some part. The early migrations were complex and i assert that your focus of study on rome belies your lack of study of more ancient things. Your definitions were presuming something that produced useless results and muddied the waters on the subject entirely. What i took from this gladly were all the tid bits of info. Much appreciated. But be careful how you construct the framework of your arguments. The conclusions you draw from such things can be lightly discarded. And i think you’re better than that
@BiggusD77
@BiggusD77 7 ай бұрын
But Nordicism is over a 100 years old, and pretty much extinct by now. Who still believes and promotes such obvious pseudoscience these days?
@ezrafaulk3076
@ezrafaulk3076 7 ай бұрын
I'm honestly surprised this's even believed *at all* ; I always just understood the Romans to be of the *Mediterranean* phenotype whatever it's officially called, since the Mediterranean region is where the Italian peninsula is. Maybe the *Germanic* tribes they conquered belonged to the Nordic phenotype, but I *doubt* the Romans would've wanted to mix *their* blood with that of the "barbarians"; and thus think they would've stuck with just their *own* , or people of the same phenotype like the *Greeks* . I say all this as someone who has a strong *English* presence in my blood, and thus, I'm probably of the Nordic phenotype myself because the English often intermingled with the Norsemen and were *already* of the same phenotype beforehand. I don't have blue eyes or blonde hair (I wish I did), but that's probably because of the fact that I also have strong *Chaktaw* (probably misspelled it) native American presence in my blood too.
@PerdiccasMKD
@PerdiccasMKD 7 ай бұрын
You forgot to debunk the whole "Nordic elites ruled over Rome" by mentioning all the non Roman Emperors such as Constantine the Great who was born in Moesia and that he was of illiro-Thracian Balkanic origin. Septimius Severus who was born in Leptis Magna Libya and who was of Italic-Punic origin. Caracalla who was of semetic origin (Punic/Carthaginian-Arab) Justinian(Eastern Roman emperor) who was born in Tauresium present day near the city of Skopje Macedonia etc.
@Señor-Donjusticia
@Señor-Donjusticia 7 ай бұрын
I can confirm based on what my grandma told me that the Ancient Romans were actually Korean and I don’t care what any other historian or anthropologist says!
@Matlalcueitl
@Matlalcueitl 7 ай бұрын
I see what you did there…
@frisianmouve
@frisianmouve 7 ай бұрын
The nephew of my great aunt on my fathers side told me that they were definitely aboriginals though
@alessandro_natali
@alessandro_natali 7 ай бұрын
After all, the Kingdom of Silla was a real political entity in ancient Korea. Coincidence? I think not!
@MustardSkaven
@MustardSkaven 7 ай бұрын
Don't listen to what anyone tells you. Ancient Romans were Korean!
@antoniobautista6718
@antoniobautista6718 7 ай бұрын
People think that the Indo-Europeans were from the steppe, but they're actually remnants from the Finno-Korean Hyperwar!!!!!!!
@just9911
@just9911 7 ай бұрын
My Italian grandmother always said “I don’t care what they tell you in school, ancient Romans were actually time travelers from New Jersey”
@bosertheropode5443
@bosertheropode5443 7 ай бұрын
That explains all the degeneracy.
@Tybold63
@Tybold63 7 ай бұрын
😆
@brunomerinocanales3433
@brunomerinocanales3433 7 ай бұрын
I always knew the consul Antonius Sapranius looked familiar
@hannibalburgers477
@hannibalburgers477 7 ай бұрын
Ayy!
@Vanity0666
@Vanity0666 7 ай бұрын
They fell through a portal in judea to real life new york city
@KrakHead193
@KrakHead193 7 ай бұрын
My grandmother told me "no matter what they tell you, Julius Caesar was swedish" His real name was Jan-Lars Kajsson
@ilgufo1146
@ilgufo1146 7 ай бұрын
Stockholm caput mundi
@Progamermove_2003
@Progamermove_2003 7 ай бұрын
Then who were the Vikings according to your grandmother?
@samuraigaming3042
@samuraigaming3042 7 ай бұрын
@@Progamermove_2003 Proto-Sumerians....
@phillynott6811
@phillynott6811 7 ай бұрын
@@Progamermove_2003 Albino Inuit
@pempotfoy6206
@pempotfoy6206 7 ай бұрын
Very funny joke, the fact that there's already another docen of these comments makes it hilarious
@studiozone2203
@studiozone2203 7 ай бұрын
People have always (and will always) attempt to strip Italians of our history , culture , and accomplishments. It seems this goes for all Mediterranean people who have rich heritages. From Greece to Egypt to Italy and everything in between. They either try to white wash (in this case, it's blonde wash haha) or black wash instead of letting Mediterranean people have our history and our culture. I'm glad we have people on the front lines debunking this nonsense. Well done!
@chrisnewbury3793
@chrisnewbury3793 7 ай бұрын
Oh you poor Italians cry me a fucking river lmfao
@CatotheE
@CatotheE 7 ай бұрын
@@chrisnewbury3793 Lol. Do you say that about all revisionism?
@SockAccount111
@SockAccount111 7 ай бұрын
@@chrisnewbury3793 it's ALWAYS a boomer, luckily you will have all kicked the bucket in a decade or so
@blessed7614
@blessed7614 6 ай бұрын
​@@chrisnewbury3793hi virgin nerd, im sorry for your parents
@morghe321
@morghe321 4 ай бұрын
There are FAR more afrocentrics these days who try to black wash Roman/Italian history than there Nordicists who try to "blond wash". Nordicism is pretty much dead today.
@MrMetonicus
@MrMetonicus 7 ай бұрын
I remember my grandmother telling me, "I don't care what they tell you in school. The Romans were Nordic (and Black)."
@joelkurowski7129
@joelkurowski7129 7 ай бұрын
Well done, you got a hearty chuckle from me.
@jimmyalfonda3536
@jimmyalfonda3536 7 ай бұрын
What??
@DrFranklynAnderson
@DrFranklynAnderson 7 ай бұрын
Split right down the middle, just like those black and white/white and black aliens on Star Trek!
@TRUTHTEACHER2007
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 7 ай бұрын
@@Oliverk229 AND SHE WAS JEWISH AND DYSLEXIC TOO!
@Error_404_Account_Deleted
@Error_404_Account_Deleted 7 ай бұрын
Black Nords. Great name for a Zulu Viking metal band 🤘
@reaperanon979
@reaperanon979 7 ай бұрын
Yes. They were pure-blooded hyperboreans who arrived in spaceships around the time the Finno-Korean Hyperwar happened, which set us back technologically ~50000 years.
@julietfischer5056
@julietfischer5056 7 ай бұрын
@@Qqq-fp3uk- You missed the joke. Well, I hope it was a joke.
@jumantewashington8715
@jumantewashington8715 7 ай бұрын
The Hyperborean (Siberian) origin of the Aryans, and therefore the Romans, has been proven by genetics. The Eastern Hunter Gatherers migrated to the Russian Steppe, bringing with them the genes for blue eyes and blonde hair. They mixed with people from the Caucus mountains and became the Aryans.
@reaperanon979
@reaperanon979 7 ай бұрын
@@julietfischer5056 We don't joke about the Finno-Korean hyperwar here. lmao
@pridefulobserver3807
@pridefulobserver3807 7 ай бұрын
damn, must be 2 years since last time i heard about the hyperboreans and the finno-korean HYPERWAR in 55000 B.C. (aprox im not an expert on that schorlarly subject)
@razacosmicapilled
@razacosmicapilled 7 ай бұрын
Me when I cope
@Bwkjam
@Bwkjam 3 ай бұрын
When you realize the white nationalists and black nationalists are the same personality type.
@johnP0908
@johnP0908 2 ай бұрын
exactly. they both have their own kinds of delusions.
@jasonr5989
@jasonr5989 18 күн бұрын
Derived from insecurity
@POCKET-SAND
@POCKET-SAND 12 күн бұрын
@Austrian_Painters_TopGuy False. the DNA shows Romans were basically the same as modern Italians.
@POCKET-SAND
@POCKET-SAND 11 күн бұрын
@Austrian_Painters_TopGuy Modern Italians aren't Germanic. Even the Northernmost Italians barely have any Germanic ancestry according to the DNA.
@POCKET-SAND
@POCKET-SAND 11 күн бұрын
@Austrian_Painters_TopGuy Hey genius, almost all Europeans have Indo-European DNA. The archeology supports the idea that the Romans weren't much different from modern Italians. Cite me ONE credible article that says the Romans were Nordic, just one from a source that isn't David Irving, I'll wait.
@LeatherApronClubChannel
@LeatherApronClubChannel 7 ай бұрын
A rare Metatron miss. Roman aristocracy was obviously Atlantean.
@actuallyKriminell
@actuallyKriminell 7 ай бұрын
Duh. Obviously. Common KZfaqr L
@ImperialSenpai
@ImperialSenpai 7 ай бұрын
Funny way to say Han Chinese.
@christiankalinkina239
@christiankalinkina239 7 ай бұрын
Maybe you could look at the ethnic background of metatrons source material 🤔
@marcobelli6856
@marcobelli6856 7 ай бұрын
Babylonian🤣🤣🤣
@jdamsel8212
@jdamsel8212 7 ай бұрын
Weird seeing you in the wild
@spyrofrost9158
@spyrofrost9158 7 ай бұрын
My grandmother told me. I don't care what they tell you in school; Julius Ceasar was Norwegian!
@alansmithee8831
@alansmithee8831 7 ай бұрын
@spyrofrost. No chance of winning Ballon d'Or then?
@DemonKingBadger
@DemonKingBadger 7 ай бұрын
My grandmother told me I don't care what they tell you in school Plato was Cherokee.
@airborneranger-ret
@airborneranger-ret 7 ай бұрын
lol
@cocacola4blood365
@cocacola4blood365 7 ай бұрын
So when Caesar is ousted from power, would that be called Salad Tossing?
@alansmithee8831
@alansmithee8831 7 ай бұрын
@@wanheda319 Did he use his Winchester on anyone who accused him of being anything else?
@martinharris5017
@martinharris5017 7 ай бұрын
Pleased to have found someone who tackles political narratives and propaganda (lies) with data, research, logic and verifiable facts and without any shouting or ranting. Very objective and calmly delivered. Brilliant work Metatron.
@Progamermove_2003
@Progamermove_2003 7 ай бұрын
The largest empire in history where the sun never set was too insecure to admit that their civilizational grandfather (the Roman Empire) were not Nordic. A huge thumbs up from India.
@kipkipper-lg9vl
@kipkipper-lg9vl 26 күн бұрын
England lives rent free in your head poo man
@aetherial87
@aetherial87 7 ай бұрын
Normal people: Romans were Roman. Crazies: NAH THEY WERE * insert favored group here *
@andredulac4456
@andredulac4456 7 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure they were americans, they both love eagles !
@nodosa994
@nodosa994 7 ай бұрын
So true lol
@actuallyKriminell
@actuallyKriminell 7 ай бұрын
My grandma told me so it must be true
@JohnGrandline
@JohnGrandline 5 ай бұрын
​@americanchristiannationalist Israoelis are rep1tilian
@thepubknight6144
@thepubknight6144 3 ай бұрын
​@@1sanitat1 they're get the most triggered whenever someone doesn't view White people are superior But love calling out black people who claim all nations were black Its really sad
@faryafaraji
@faryafaraji 7 ай бұрын
Possibly the best representation of this is in HBO’s Rome: a commoner insults blonde haired Vorenus by telling him to “get back to Gaul, ginger knob.” He retorts by admitting he does have a Gallic air about him, but he is a true Roman nonetheless. It’s a simple kind of nuance extremists can’t catch: there were blondes in Italy, there always have been, just statistically less than Northern Europe, hence why blonde hair will always have a Northern association in those lands despite certainly being present there.
@andreascovano7742
@andreascovano7742 7 ай бұрын
Hey farya! Any hints on next song?
@bluebird3281
@bluebird3281 7 ай бұрын
HBO Rome was a great show, RIP Rat Stevens. The Cisalpine Gauls were definitely a thing.
@admirekashiri9879
@admirekashiri9879 7 ай бұрын
I wish I watched this show when it came out. Is it still worth checking out?
@bluebird3281
@bluebird3281 7 ай бұрын
@@admirekashiri9879Absolutely worth checking out. Head and shoulders above the tripe out nowadays
@philippmetzger1126
@philippmetzger1126 7 ай бұрын
The nomen gentile "FLAVIVS" show us, that a blond roman must ave existed, but it was exraordinary enough so he was named after this.
@trolley4388
@trolley4388 7 ай бұрын
I, as an Italian who was once in the north, can confirm that during that time I was Nordic. However, slowly moving back towards the south, my level of Nordicness gradually decreased until it completely disappeared once I returned to Italy. What a time to be Italian.
@knotengajin7359
@knotengajin7359 7 ай бұрын
Aren’t Italians about to go extinct due to low birth rates?
@sinkhole777
@sinkhole777 7 ай бұрын
A similar thing happened to my intelligence when i moved from the Northern Territory in Australia, Down to Perth - go the sandgropers¡
@gcanaday1
@gcanaday1 7 ай бұрын
I didn't change when I came down from the mountains. I'm still a hairy bear. I'm a little disappointed, I wanted to be a muscle-beach kind of guy.
@CaesarWarrington
@CaesarWarrington 7 ай бұрын
You so corny.
@ivanmolero7829
@ivanmolero7829 7 ай бұрын
Strange things happen in life. I started to watch many Italian series and moves one year ago. And recently a most remarkable thing happened, my hands started to move frenetically when I was talking. Strange thing! Actually this is true and no joke.
@advanzeelive
@advanzeelive 7 ай бұрын
As a Swede with mixed nordic heritage I love how you challenge all these basically "we wuz kangz" ideas that are out there, I've seen butthurt people on twi-x whining at you, I feel like you and Shad has been the most genuinely likeable people that are based in truth, in what I consider the "swords n stuff" people on youtube.
@charlotteillustration5778
@charlotteillustration5778 7 ай бұрын
I love it when you demolish a spurious argument with clear logic, incontestable written and visual evidence and a scholarly but engaging explanation. Carry on please!
@aag3752
@aag3752 Ай бұрын
But he made one mistake: The Levant was NOT and is NOT a region of dark skinned peoples. I'm Lebanese and am white. Many Lebanese and Syrians have light skin, and a significant minority of us have blonde hair and blue eyes.
@JaelaOrdo
@JaelaOrdo 7 ай бұрын
One thing I always find funny about the whole “was x group actually y group” thing is that certain groups of people may do it more than others in the modern day but it’s something people have been doing for thousands of years. The more things change the more they stay the same.
@careyfreeman5056
@careyfreeman5056 7 ай бұрын
Can you provide some examples, because this feels like a modern racial theory thing. I took over 12 hours of Roman History in college from a very well renowned professor and questions like this never entered into the discussion. I'm sure the Romans - like most every culture in Europe - are descended from Indo Europeans. So, I guess they were distantly related to the Nordic cultures.
@Socraticstatic44
@Socraticstatic44 7 ай бұрын
This is what I love about anthropology. Read Anna Karenina or the Moon in Six Pence...the human emotion and condition remains at it has from Socrates to Schoepenhauer. Humans are consistently repeating their primate mistakes. Excellent post 😊
@HeathenDance
@HeathenDance 7 ай бұрын
Human beings are a social and tribal species. It's in their DNA. Intelligent people are able to snap out of it. But most people aren't that smart, no.
@lars9925
@lars9925 7 ай бұрын
​@@careyfreeman5056 The Romans themselves claimed to be Trojans.
@Rudol_Zeppili
@Rudol_Zeppili 7 ай бұрын
⁠​⁠@@careyfreeman5056they’re related to Nordic cultures in the sense that both of them have influx of Pontic caspian steppe and early European farmer ancestry but they’re not the same population nor do they have the same exact features, but their languages and aspects of culture* are related through the steppe herder (Indo-European) ancestry which brought those languages to the rest of Europe and to South Asia. Not entirely contesting your comment, just adding more accuracy to it. (*The Romans have cultural influence from Greek and near eastern cultures, which means despite the relation to the Pontic Caspian steppe herders, their culture wasn’t just sourced from them.)
@starfox300
@starfox300 7 ай бұрын
The Romans saw the Germanic people as barbarians, they also talked about their distinct features of having light hair and eyes, being tall etc. It's very clear they saw them as unique and different from the Romans
@8rr725
@8rr725 6 ай бұрын
They saw them as inferior.
@matthewmann8969
@matthewmann8969 6 ай бұрын
They also saw other Non Med Europeans as well as Non Med Africans And Non Med Asians as beneath them yeah.
@matthewolaechea1869
@matthewolaechea1869 5 ай бұрын
@@matthewmann8969 They also saw other Italians that were Non- Ethnic Latins before they expanded citizenship to the rest of Italy as barbarians.
@SeekingHisWill77
@SeekingHisWill77 5 ай бұрын
@@8rr725 most likely on account of cultural norms than physical characteristics.
@starlight5322
@starlight5322 4 ай бұрын
Pope Gregory I, "Bene, nam et angelicam habent faciem, et tales angelorum in caelis decet esse coheredes" (It is well, for they have an angelic face, and such people ought to be co-heirs of the angels in heaven).
@dougkleen9917
@dougkleen9917 7 ай бұрын
There were blond Romans as there were Blond Greeks but that doesnt mean they were Nordic.
@gianlucarossi5672
@gianlucarossi5672 7 ай бұрын
Exactly.
@Mikeatthenet
@Mikeatthenet 7 ай бұрын
According to the documentary ”Life of Brian”, Brians father was a Roman Centurion by the name of Nautius Maximus. Since Brian is clearly blonde and blonde hair is generally considered a recessive gene this is a stunning evidence for the elite Romans beeing of Nordic origin… Unfortunately Biggus Dickus and his wife Incontinentia Bottocks doesn’t appear so we can’t be sure of their hair color but they surely sounds to be blonde. 😏
@stevenwamsley2941
@stevenwamsley2941 7 ай бұрын
very good point. what about the grandparents? Syphilus and his wife Chlamydia ?? blond or brunet.?
@srbisunasledniciilira.alba7494
@srbisunasledniciilira.alba7494 7 ай бұрын
Mather side can have influence. Mather side give you more race atributs despite you get Y- DNA from father. Example Pushkin he was R1a by father side but his Mather side two generation back was from Africa.
@lactusgalacto1174
@lactusgalacto1174 7 ай бұрын
@@stevenwamsley2941 😁😁😁😁😁😁😅😅😅😅😅
@NeoZeta
@NeoZeta 7 ай бұрын
Wrong. His father was not a Roman Centurion, but a Woman Centurion.
@Crisadder
@Crisadder 7 ай бұрын
Biggus Dickus does appear when they would wuelease Buaian
@georgeprchal3924
@georgeprchal3924 7 ай бұрын
What we do know is that they exclusively spoke English with British accents.
@Matt_Alaric
@Matt_Alaric 7 ай бұрын
Like all civilised people.
@discostu2246
@discostu2246 7 ай бұрын
And played cricket 👍
@GreoGreo
@GreoGreo 7 ай бұрын
@@Matt_Alaric Civilized people have good teeth
@Matt_Alaric
@Matt_Alaric 7 ай бұрын
@@GreoGreo Didn't Washington have wooden teeth?
@alansmithee8831
@alansmithee8831 7 ай бұрын
@georgeorchal. Aye, Claudius.
@amaricani
@amaricani 7 ай бұрын
Ancient germans: The romans are Evil Ancient Romans: those german barbarians are Evil Modern people: were they the same group?
@metatronyt
@metatronyt 7 ай бұрын
Pretty much!
@disconcerningcitizen2224
@disconcerningcitizen2224 7 ай бұрын
Some people say the same thing about Semitic and germanic people. The theory is that they(germanic and Semitic) were both rival Aryan groups, and ww2 was just an extension of this rivalry.
@alansmithee8831
@alansmithee8831 7 ай бұрын
​@@metatronyt. No. When my uncle escaped from Italians as POW, they recaptured him. When he later got away from the Germans, he got home to UK for VE Day. Master race theory behind video disproved.
@JohnWick_897
@JohnWick_897 7 ай бұрын
​@@disconcerningcitizen2224to say Jesus was Aryan 😂🤣🤣
@julietfischer5056
@julietfischer5056 7 ай бұрын
@@disconcerningcitizen2224- British Israelite and related nonsense.
@zeropsaft
@zeropsaft 7 ай бұрын
Romans were Mediterranean, like how we Greeks were and are Mediterranean.
@capeverdeanprincess4444
@capeverdeanprincess4444 2 ай бұрын
Mediterranean isn’t a race. They are all genetically different.
@nodrug2
@nodrug2 7 ай бұрын
It is so refreshing to view media with a specific plan to tell the real truth, not his truth or her truth or their truth, but the truth. Also to back it up with quotations and have a narrator with specific personal knowledge of older languages and be able to translate exactly what was written by them himself. You, The Metatron are that person, all BS is swept awy with knowledge and you are the sweeper. Kudos!
@hernandemornay7559
@hernandemornay7559 7 ай бұрын
The real true sorry the real true!! Really !!?? ,because ther is coincidence with some fake papers written by the rulers?
@Jon0387
@Jon0387 7 ай бұрын
My family is originally from Norway, we never claimed descent from the Romans. My grandfather would continuously drill into us that the Vikings were our ancestors. I did find the Roman descriptions of Nordic people unable to handle heat pretty funny but very true - I don’t do well in the heat.
@SK-ut6tw
@SK-ut6tw 7 ай бұрын
My family from northern Sweden get sick in the heat. All platinum to golden blondes blue/grey eyes and snow white skin.
@PiousMoltar
@PiousMoltar 7 ай бұрын
I'm British and I don't do well in the heat. Or the cold. Or even the middle. I can feel too hot and too cold numerous times in the same day. Sometimes even kind of at the same time.
@user-yl6fj9oi8y
@user-yl6fj9oi8y 7 ай бұрын
Your heat might be my cold 😂😂
@mikemaki7192
@mikemaki7192 7 ай бұрын
You can get used to it, I grew up in Arizona, Swedish Norwegian and Finnish ancestors.
@SebastianEpicurus
@SebastianEpicurus 7 ай бұрын
Well that's rather odd, because i am Latino American. Or just American 😉 with Mexican parents. And i for one cannot stand the heat unless i practice. I can stand the cold ok. Sometimes i hop in the shower, and turn the knob all the way to the cold side. Ice cold shower helps me cool down when i am too hot. And i usually walk outside in 40°F with just shorts and a T-shirt just fine, sometimes a tank top. Then again my Grandmother did have blonde hair and green eyes. So maybe i've got some Nordic cold resistant genes 😂 i rather think myself Roman
@Socraticstatic44
@Socraticstatic44 7 ай бұрын
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored- Huxley. Thank you for always revealing the facts among the forest of fallacy 😊
@71Fenderv22
@71Fenderv22 7 ай бұрын
Aldous Huxley... Yes, always a good read.
@bigbasil1908
@bigbasil1908 7 ай бұрын
'Shyt man, these mushrooms are really good' - Aldous Huxley 😛🍄
@jhoughjr1
@jhoughjr1 7 ай бұрын
I dunno why that alliteration never occurred to me before. Its quite apt.
@Red_Devil_2011
@Red_Devil_2011 7 ай бұрын
As usual there is a colossal cloud of obfuscation and lies simply because, as even comments in these very replies show, we have all been brainwashed to believe that anything defending White people- -especially the survival of nordic Whites- -equals MUH NAZIS! equals DUH MOST EVILEST THING EVER! People are too brain-dead to consider that Meds are a different breed of White Europeans, and there were indeed some Nordic lines in Rome which have largely died out. BUT LET'S NEVER CONSIDER THAT, BECAUSE NORDIC = NAZI = BAD! Sheeple refuse to understand how different ethnicities of Whites viewed each other, since in the modern day declaring anyone was any shade of White = muh evil racism. I wish people like this would wake up and grow up. If you all love history so much, then read the forbidden knowledge on WW2 and the mostest evil of muh Aryan subreeemacists evurr...
@adammichael9759
@adammichael9759 7 ай бұрын
I came across your channel yesterday. I am elated that it was in the area of algorithm "recommended for you." I have been a student of topics you cover for a very long time. I have pieced things together over my life, and I do not have an academic circle I speak with about these things. Everything from the Metatron to the history of ppl, languages, etc. These are things I've been deeply interested in since I was 13 years old. My favorite element of your work is how you do your research and presentations. I heard you mention your ability to check your biases and admit when you may have misspoke or made a mistake. The importance of that element can not be understated. Solid thinking and concepts. With many, many videos to keep me entertained and help further my understandings. Thank you to everyone who works on your channel.
@hinatachibi7223
@hinatachibi7223 7 ай бұрын
I adore this video! As someone who wants to become a teacher (mostly for high school) I like to keep on my toes about information. So much of what I learned in school was historically inaccurate or exaggerated to a worrying degree. It wasn't until I got into college that I learned there were more to the historical events or people than the vague overviews I learned in high school or even middle school. Thank you so much for your work!❤ I do have a question about your sources; is this information freely out there or did you pay for a kind of academic periodical? When I do research papers I find it hard to find good sources not blocked by paywalls 😢😢😢
@hermespino9985
@hermespino9985 7 ай бұрын
Your commitment to truth regardless of ideology and politics is always refreshing.
@UndercoverNormie
@UndercoverNormie 7 ай бұрын
Sad fact. That's the way it's supposed to be.
@arthas640
@arthas640 6 ай бұрын
It's kind of depressing how both sides of the political divide seem to want to rewrite history. You've got some people on the right that want to mitigate slavery and the killing of natives while elements of the left shoehorn in diversity and modern attitudes that didnt exist at the time. Both attempt to whitewash history. This recent obsession with Scandinavism kind of bugs me. On one hand you've got the romantics who attempt to portray the Vikings as honorable warriors in tune with nature who fought for glory rather than the pirates and raiders they were. On the other hand you've got the covert racists like this video's subject who've just repackaged Aryanism rather lazily.
@aere_bruno
@aere_bruno 6 ай бұрын
​@@arthas640 My friend, that is the true point. I offer to you a personal analysis of the Scandinavist intellectual movement that you brought to discussion. I define Scandinavists as center-right wingers. I completely agree with your analysis except for this precise thesis that you sustained indirectly: Scandinavism is left sided. I really think it is not. I feel your same bug regarding it. I can't cope with young fellows trend involving vikings and glorifying them. To me, it's another face of fascism. A moderate, subtle and unperceivable right wing trend that pretends to aim for progress.
@arthas640
@arthas640 6 ай бұрын
@@aere_bruno I don't think Scandinavianism is left leaning, it's got a whole political spectrum behind it with crunchy granola hippies who think of the vikings like they're druids or warrior nature spirits and you've got the far right types who are just into Aryanism.
@LeeeeeEcM
@LeeeeeEcM 3 ай бұрын
⁠@@aere_brunoRight wing trend??? I think you meant left wing which is a subtle fascism that pretends to aim for progress
@atti2203
@atti2203 7 ай бұрын
I'm Finnish. The Romans liked wine and flamboyant costumes... Clearly Italian.
@Dack.howaboutyou
@Dack.howaboutyou 7 ай бұрын
Excellent video execution on a subject matter that is particularly prone to controversy and imho is not especially easy to be as succinct as you were, while still hitting the important, key pieces of info! Thanks for the good work. Keep it up brother! 🙂
@Harald_Revery
@Harald_Revery 7 ай бұрын
The Scandinavian version of "we wuz kangs".
@melissapinol7279
@melissapinol7279 3 ай бұрын
I try to be tolerant, but "we wuz kangs" sounds exactly like the way my racist white Southern mother used to imitate black people and laugh. Distasteful.
@EvanHBogle
@EvanHBogle 7 ай бұрын
The ancient Romans were 1/3rd Nordic, 1/3rd Sub-Saharan African and 1/3 Japanese.
@Sirinxa
@Sirinxa 7 ай бұрын
😂
@OKay-ox3kh
@OKay-ox3kh 7 ай бұрын
Based and possibly redpilled but you forgot they’re also half Native American Cherokee. But nice try.
@admirekashiri9879
@admirekashiri9879 7 ай бұрын
Imagine 😂😂
@jentroytravel312
@jentroytravel312 7 ай бұрын
@@OKay-ox3kh, not Cherokee, they were Apache. The Cherokee are a figment of European imagination, molded to fit the refined savage narrative. The Apache are a strong tribe who follows in the footsteps of their most famous warrior, Geronimo. That’s how the Romans became so fierce, 1/2 Apache blood.
@TruthMatters9674
@TruthMatters9674 7 ай бұрын
But they were 100% Wakandan.
@thehistoricalhomesteader5415
@thehistoricalhomesteader5415 7 ай бұрын
You are fast becoming one of my very favorite people on KZfaq. Thank you for actually paying attention to real history, real facts. Keep this awesome content coming. I’ll be getting your Patreon!
@jaewok5G
@jaewok5G 7 ай бұрын
ditto, if only for his mellifluous voice.
@staceyjordan4502
@staceyjordan4502 7 ай бұрын
I appreciate the amount of work and research you put into your videos. They are concise and devoid of extraneous fluff.
@R0guemetal
@R0guemetal 7 ай бұрын
I appreciate your content and the effort involved in making it
@joji2937
@joji2937 7 ай бұрын
6:00 As a Serbian I found it funny they apparently considered Serbs "nordic", whereas their allies the Croats are conspicuously greyed out in this map. Serbs and Croats are very close genetically, and this would have been apparent even to anthropologists back in the day so I'm very curious about the source of this map
@hernanstrausser9143
@hernanstrausser9143 7 ай бұрын
I think it's just a rough map of german occupied europe in ww2
@joji2937
@joji2937 7 ай бұрын
​@hernanstrausser9143 Could be, didn't consider that. I was under the impression that all of France was occupied at one point, but my knowledge on the topic isn't as deep as I would like. He also says "nordicism" just as the map is shown on screen so forgive my confusion if that is the case.
@hernanstrausser9143
@hernanstrausser9143 7 ай бұрын
@@joji2937 You are actually correct, at one point france was entirely occupied, just not at the point depicted in the map, it's a reasonable mistake though, no worries serb-bro :)
@stanleyrogouski
@stanleyrogouski 7 ай бұрын
Didn't the Ustase in World War II declare that Croats were really Goths and not Slavs?
@duckpotat9818
@duckpotat9818 7 ай бұрын
It also excludes Britain, Ireland, Sweden and Iceland but includes the Northern Caucuses. Which is also weird.
@SuburbanFox
@SuburbanFox 7 ай бұрын
Romans looked like Kevin McKidd and Ray Stevenson, and Julius Caesar looked like Ciaran Hinds, and I will die on that hill!
@Kanasubigi896
@Kanasubigi896 7 ай бұрын
None of those guys look even a little bit Italian, and Kevin mckidd is too white
@SuburbanFox
@SuburbanFox 7 ай бұрын
@@Kanasubigi896 I know really, it's a joke, because they were in that excellent TV show by HBO.
@Drvol1
@Drvol1 7 ай бұрын
@@Kanasubigi896Don’t look up Italian soccer player Davide Biondini - you might get triggered.
@rc8937
@rc8937 7 ай бұрын
My understanding is that over time, after Caesar's conquest of Gaul, the legions in the north became increasingly Germanic looking, since it became harder to find recruits from the core provinces.
@dasselbe2521
@dasselbe2521 7 ай бұрын
They wouldn't be Germanic looking though?
@dasselbe2521
@dasselbe2521 7 ай бұрын
Unless you are talking about far north
@user-wy1yb7zj1j
@user-wy1yb7zj1j 7 ай бұрын
They were Germanic, especially after Constantine started to be open to Germanic recruits
@floridaman318
@floridaman318 7 ай бұрын
Well eventually Germanic tribes would be integrated into the Roman military so...
@ysteinberg5084
@ysteinberg5084 7 ай бұрын
Though I probably should agree to the Nordic superiority stuff 😅, ethnicity is not as straight forward as people seems to think. My ancestors were all Norwegians, with records back to early Viking age. Everyone in my family has hair that is brown/dark blonde with a tint of red. We’re born with black hair, it becomes white/yellow before puberty, then it starts to darken.. At 45, my hair is now dark brown. A few years ago someone did DNA analysis of bones from several Viking graves and what they found was a very ethnically diverse group. My ancestors had DNA from all over Europe and Asia. If someone lives here in the north where their skin barely experience sunshine since our summers are short and cold, they will turn white. My Vietnamese wife has already become quite white and she’s only been here for 5 years. Our son looks pure Nordic, with brown hair that is getting more light colored. White skin is simply skin that is trying to compensate for the lack of sunlight, so it can produce more d-vitamins. If we stopped all immigration now, everyone up here would be similarly white within a few centuries, even if they were pure black when they came here.
@nicholasmartin8208
@nicholasmartin8208 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for Shining light on this subject. Very fascinating
@alunevans380
@alunevans380 7 ай бұрын
Celts were not just white, blond haired, and blue eyed, many were white and had dark hair and brown eyes.
@kellysouter4381
@kellysouter4381 7 ай бұрын
And still have, but skin that burns in the sun, which is fun for an Australian Celt facing another summer!
@fnansjy456
@fnansjy456 7 ай бұрын
Most celts would have had Brown hair ,plenty with black hair especially in Gaul and celtic iberia and galatia ,blond celts would have been an minority very small percentage in spain to decent size percentage among the Celtic Britons .
@nunoamaro6518
@nunoamaro6518 7 ай бұрын
Being blonde has nothing to do to being nordic
@ElessarFrey
@ElessarFrey 4 ай бұрын
@@fnansjy456with the celts it’s difficult, because it’s a cultural civilization, not an ethnic group.
@bouchacourtthierry8506
@bouchacourtthierry8506 2 ай бұрын
French, Swiss, North Italian South German , Wallons are Celt , 90 % of British are "Britons" ... There were not Latins Settlers in Gaul, in Britania...just soldiers that came from all the Roman empire and consuls. That the genius of Roma.
@viriathas9910
@viriathas9910 7 ай бұрын
Only the Metaron can equally wreck black supremacists and white supremacists within the same 30 day period.
@metatronyt
@metatronyt 7 ай бұрын
Damn right!
@admirekashiri9879
@admirekashiri9879 7 ай бұрын
​@@metatronyt😂👏🏿 hence why I love this channel.
@nunoamaro6518
@nunoamaro6518 7 ай бұрын
Did not wreck white supremacists cause that is impossible to do
@thepubknight6144
@thepubknight6144 3 ай бұрын
​@@metatronyt that's why you're awesome sir 😊
@paraconsistentjojo
@paraconsistentjojo 2 ай бұрын
This claim only depends upon the claim that civilisation = superiority. Nordic supremacists find barbarianism superior to civilisation, but have proved they are superior civilisation builders, even to Rome. Metatron’s argument rests upon a strawman of motive, which he attacks. So, he can argue about the demographics of Rome, but has not argued against any claim to supremacy at least from the White perspective.
@johngodfrey8367
@johngodfrey8367 7 ай бұрын
Thank you. Been watching your channel for some time and really appreciate it. Thanks again
@Fuk99999
@Fuk99999 7 ай бұрын
“Were the ancient Romans nordic?” Is a question that can’t be answered with a yes or no. Instead, it can only be answered with another question. “Which era of Rome are we talking about?”
@chrisnewbury3793
@chrisnewbury3793 7 ай бұрын
bingo
@tomgu2285
@tomgu2285 7 ай бұрын
No they were not idiot.
@Raleyg
@Raleyg 7 ай бұрын
Speaking as a Norwegian: No. A few Italians who happened to be blond, does not mean the entire civilization was Nordic. Those who believe that kind of nonsense tend to be fans of a certain Austrian painter. For comparison, the viking ruler Halfdan the Black had that nickname because he had black hair, which would be very unusual in Viking age Scandinavia
@HeathenDance
@HeathenDance 7 ай бұрын
I'm Portuguese, and half of my family seems more Nordic than Hitler did lol. Not to mention Himmler and Goebbels. Among other lesser known, but still influential Nazis, like Streicher, who genuinely looked like a gipsy. Nothing against gipsies, just saying. Those dudes were serious wannabes with "I'm not Aryan enough" inferiority complexes. And when such people have power... nasty and extreme things will happen.
@itsapittie
@itsapittie 7 ай бұрын
Similarly, the existence of dark-haired Norwegians doesn't mean Scandinavians are actually Mediterranean. There is significant phenotypic variation within any ethnic group. Heck, people from southern India are often very dark. Does that mean they are actually African? Genetic studies say otherwise. Racial bias gives rise to some really ridiculous ideas.
@Clay-jj9br
@Clay-jj9br 7 ай бұрын
My mother's family is Italian her and my 3 aunts natural blondes blue eyes but they were from northern Italy I believe they are defended from Germanic Lombard tribe.... And if I remember right I believe the Germans considered northern Italians as aryans
@howardsternssmicrophone9332
@howardsternssmicrophone9332 7 ай бұрын
Wonder what the world would be like now if that certain Austrian painter you mention was accepted into Art University? Makes you wonder, doesn't it?
@HontasFarmer80
@HontasFarmer80 7 ай бұрын
Charlie Chaplain right?
@madmarduk1936
@madmarduk1936 7 ай бұрын
I’ve honestly never heard anyone claim that Romans were Nordic before.
@Snoy_Fly
@Snoy_Fly 7 ай бұрын
I’ve heard that Indians and Egyptians were nordic😂
@st0rmrider
@st0rmrider 7 ай бұрын
​@@Snoy_Fly Nordic gypsies maybe
@joalvarado8506
@joalvarado8506 7 ай бұрын
You must live under a rock. The last 150 years of archaeology quite literally revolved around that belief. The only reason we still argue about the race of ancient peoples is because Europeans spent the last 150 years convincing everyone that their ancestors were “white”. All of North Africa and the Middle East still refer to themselves as Caucasian even though they are genetically and and phenotypically distinct from other Caucasians.
@darreideamos2309
@darreideamos2309 7 ай бұрын
The nordic supremacy bullshit was a very common idea in the past. Today its kept alive by neonazis so its underground but I have seen it pop up a few times
@Wilkins325
@Wilkins325 7 ай бұрын
Clearly you haven’t met any chronically online racists
@lanmarknetworking3034
@lanmarknetworking3034 2 ай бұрын
They were totally nuts but also very close to the truth about Indo-European Invasions, Overlordship and DNA markers
@yuka-youtube
@yuka-youtube Ай бұрын
there are bunch of white peoples bone (of BC200-0)found out in northern china. so population influx might be much wider than we think.
@midtskogen
@midtskogen 7 ай бұрын
The Roman descriptions of barbarians were not very accurate, and they would tend to characterise different groups the same way. Celtic and Germanic tribes were described in similar fashion, but it only means that the Romans felt that they were different from themselves. Interestingly, however, there is plenty linguistic evidence that the Celts and italic peoples were pretty close, setting themselves apart from Germanic people.
@eltecnico9541
@eltecnico9541 7 ай бұрын
To understand, modern Europeans are the result of mixing three clearly differentiated genetic components, Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG), Anatolian Farmers and Steppe Western Herder (Indo-European). The Anatolians emigrated to Europe where they mixed with the WHG, giving rise to the so-called Early European Framer (EEF), later from the Pontic steppe the Indo-Europeans emigrated, Indo-European men have children with EEF women. The Nordic Phenotype arises 2000 years after the Indo-European expansion, in the Corderd Ware culture, ancestors of the Baltics and the Germanics. The Celts and the Italians are characterized by having greater DNA of Anatolian origin, the paternal lineage of the Italians came from the Russian steppe and Italian women from the Bronze Age have children. The Celts arise in Central Europe. The Nordic phenotype never existed in Italy, in fact today's Italians are whiter than their Neolithic ancestors.
@lamename2010
@lamename2010 7 ай бұрын
18:00 Speaking of names, you could have mentioned how Schwarz (Black) and Braun (Brown (also a last name found in english) etc is a last name that is found to this day within germany etc, pointing towards this being a rare trait, that would allow you to pick them out amongst the masses. Course the curly hair bit is also interesting and more contemporary.
@aboner2551
@aboner2551 7 ай бұрын
Those names probably derive from dirty appearances from working.
@JurassicB8245
@JurassicB8245 7 ай бұрын
Eva .. braun... mmm
@lamename2010
@lamename2010 7 ай бұрын
​@@aboner2551 No, researchers have looked into it, it is hair. Better yet, longer variants of the Schwarz name include "Schwarzkopf" (head, but the whole thing) and "Schwarzhaupt" (head, but referring to the top). Schwarzenegger refers to a black plowman, which while not exactly clean, wouldn't explain why they used it as an adjective to differentiate Schwarzeneggers from all other plowmen. List goes on.
@Trompicavalas
@Trompicavalas 7 ай бұрын
In Spanish we have the surname "Rubio" which means "blonde" and also the surname "Moreno" which today means "black hair" but till XVII century was also used to refer to black people, even today in some Latin American countries the word "moreno" is still used to refer to an Afro-descendant.
@lamename2010
@lamename2010 7 ай бұрын
@@gnome-ski They were blackhaired. Ergo Schwarz.
@Scorpiove
@Scorpiove 7 ай бұрын
Great video, I love that you use the words of the ancients. It's fun to hear to see the world through their eyes.
@ernoti
@ernoti 7 ай бұрын
Great video as always, you think you could talk about the ocupation history of the Levant territory? it's quite the hot topic today
@houstonbush7382
@houstonbush7382 7 ай бұрын
One of my favorite things you do is the outline/table of contents at the beginning of the video.
@cringothebot276
@cringothebot276 7 ай бұрын
I have an interesting theory about the Nordicism theory. It is that at the turn of the century you had many "Germanic" empires. The British, the very quickly rising Germans, as well as the expansive and growing American Republic. At this time as well the Russians were facing growing instability and the Chinese were, at this point, unable to stem the tide of European powers in Asia. So they, with only their current world as a reference, had come to the conclusion that only "Nordic" peoples could have built stable empires. Even with all evidence pointing to it being a silly concept I think it is an interesting theory when put into the fairly chaotic timeframe it was created in.
@franciscoborquezk.155
@franciscoborquezk.155 7 ай бұрын
Nowadays they just blame the ancient astronauts
@FSboy70
@FSboy70 7 ай бұрын
I don't see no difference between these theorists of the past with the plethora of internet theorists in the present. Most people never even heard of them or their theories.
@duckpotat9818
@duckpotat9818 7 ай бұрын
​@@FSboy70 Nordicism had a very direct impact on Germa (inc Austria and former Prussia) nationalism and ultimately led to the rise of the Nordic supremacist National Socialists in the 1930s in Germany.
@jmgonzales7701
@jmgonzales7701 7 ай бұрын
Well tbh nowadays the countris that seem to be stable tends to be nordics or germanic descent while the meditternean europe has not recovered ever since.
@jmgonzales7701
@jmgonzales7701 7 ай бұрын
@@gnome-skiyes but the brits themselves were germanic, at least some parts of the English
@josephnardone1250
@josephnardone1250 7 ай бұрын
Once again, Metatron, you've introduced me to something I've never heard of before. I never knew that there was the idea of Nordicism let alone that the Romans were suppose to be Nordic. Great video. I think that we shouldn't forget that people have come-up with harebrained ideas throughout history and that this is another one. I've read histories and studies of the Nordic and Scandinavian peoples but I never encountered this idea before.
@marquisejoubert6129
@marquisejoubert6129 7 ай бұрын
Yeah it’s one of the theories used to rationalize nazism
@InfernosReaper
@InfernosReaper 7 ай бұрын
That's some crap that was really big among the nazis, when they weren't trying to hijack the real aryan identity
@Eisenkieffer
@Eisenkieffer 7 ай бұрын
You’ve never in your studies of Scandinavia, Norway heard mention of the “Nordic” myths? But you’ve never heard of Nordicism. Hmmm.
@jamescorvus6709
@jamescorvus6709 7 ай бұрын
@@marquisejoubert6129 its before nazism. nazism is birthed from these ideas
@Epsilonsama
@Epsilonsama 7 ай бұрын
It's the same idea that only Northern Europeans are White and someone from Italy or Spain are swarthy.
@jeans.p.7822
@jeans.p.7822 7 ай бұрын
As always, very informative. I'd love to see a similar video on Ancient Greeks.
@mizaeldiaz8325
@mizaeldiaz8325 6 ай бұрын
Excellent presentation as always. So refreshing!! 👍🏻
@markcreemore4915
@markcreemore4915 7 ай бұрын
The Celtic presence in ancient Italy should surprise no one, as the entire Po Valley to the Alps and beyond was Celtic. Rome's greatest lyric poet, Catullus, came from the Lake Garda region, and was likely mostly Celtic.
@tommymecousinlostmecar4165
@tommymecousinlostmecar4165 7 ай бұрын
Celts and romans did intermix a lot, at least in Northern Italy. Probably why blonde hair is more common in Northern Italy than in the south.
@elliskaranikolaou2550
@elliskaranikolaou2550 7 ай бұрын
@@tommymecousinlostmecar4165 I wouldn't say it's common, rather just more prevalent than in the South of Italy.
@a.nonimus6705
@a.nonimus6705 7 ай бұрын
Whoa whoa whoa... greatest poet? Who said? I think Horace and Lucretius might say otherwise.
@KroM234
@KroM234 7 ай бұрын
@@tommymecousinlostmecar4165 Let's not forget that the Lombards settled this region, which is the cherry on top.
@alessandrom7181
@alessandrom7181 7 ай бұрын
Too bad that "Celtic" is just a cultural term not of a single people all over Europe and incudes even a lot of people from Italy who were "celtized" later like Ligures probably. Also Romans and Cisalpine Celts ( and Etruscans ) were basically the same people genetically. There haven't been a big change in North Italian genetic pre and after Romans. Also who said that Catullus was "Celtic" because he came from Garda ? LOL Etruscans were heavily present in Padanian Valley . Duh.
@Centuries_of_Nope
@Centuries_of_Nope 7 ай бұрын
Didn't even know this was a thing, let alone a contentious point. None the less, another wonderful history lesson.
@chicca9097
@chicca9097 7 ай бұрын
Loved it! As I am also half Greek I’d love a video like this about the Greeks
@black-hand
@black-hand 6 ай бұрын
With Greek it’s clear. There are ancient samples that demonstrate that Ancient Greeks had no north European admixture, while modern ones do have a little and its circumstantial. The genetic continuity of Greeks is one of the strongest according to the tested samples.
@imacolonelinbf2975
@imacolonelinbf2975 5 ай бұрын
moor
@cloudninetherapeutics7787
@cloudninetherapeutics7787 7 ай бұрын
Keep bringing the truth to light! I appreciate all your work, thanks so much.
@dionysiussidorius4615
@dionysiussidorius4615 7 ай бұрын
It would be also very interesting if you covered myths and facts about our ancestors' (Indo-Europeans) appearance! I suppose I'm not the only one to be interested in such content! Thank you for your efforts, o Metatron!
@OKay-ox3kh
@OKay-ox3kh 7 ай бұрын
Indo-Europeans aren’t are only ancestors, early European/Anatolian farmers, and western Hunter gatherers are also our ancestors.
@themostbestwizard
@themostbestwizard 7 ай бұрын
@@OKay-ox3kh look up Lola. (She had blue eyes and dark skin.)
@Vecorix
@Vecorix 7 ай бұрын
What specifically do you want him to "disprove" 😂
@sturzuus
@sturzuus 7 ай бұрын
@dionysiussidorius4615 When we speak about indo-europeans we speak about a linguistic family(spread from europe to china) not about phenotype.
@OKay-ox3kh
@OKay-ox3kh 7 ай бұрын
@@sturzuus no we’re also talking about genetics also they left their phenotype among Europeans including but also EEF and WHG also left dna and phenotype as well.
@gianlucarossi5672
@gianlucarossi5672 7 ай бұрын
Although the Romans were not "Nordic," a minority of them possessed blond hair and blue eyes. So not all Romans had olive skin, dark hair, and eyes. Augustus Eye Color: bluish grey “glauci” (Pliny XI, 54) Hair Color: blondish “subflavum“ (Suet. Aug. 77) Skin tone: Average European Characteristics: Handsome. Bright eyes, his eyebrows met, slightly aquiline nose, small teeth, wavy hair. Calm expression. Carried himself with natural elegance. Short stature, well-proportioned body. Weak constitution, prone to illnesses. Always wore a hat. In winter, he wore several layers of clothing. Sulla Hair color: Blond/golden Eye color: Light blue Skin tone: White . His face was reddish, either because he was ruddy, because he blushed easily, or because he had a skin condition such as rosacea. Physical characteristics: Striking appearance, handsome, powerful gaze, austere countenance Nero Hair color: Blondish Eye color: Light blue Characteristics: Agreeable face, dull eyes, freckly or bad skin, longish hair. Thick neck, prominent belly, slender legs. Short stature, sound constitution. Careless about his dress, appeared in public frequently without shoes. Lucius Verus Hair color: Blond Characteristics: Genial expression, long beard. Tall, well-proportioned, stately. Vigorous, liked sports. Pleasure-loving, spend-drift, no interest in military pursuits or government (fortunately, he had a co-ruler; while Lucius partied, Marcus Aurelius governed). Commodus Hair color: Naturally blond. He may have sprinkled his hair with gold dust to make it look more radiant. Characteristics: Good-looking face, dull expression. Well-proportioned, strong, athletic body. He may have had a growth in a groin, perhaps a hernia. Liked to dress as Hercules, Mercury, or as a woman. During a period, he shaved his head for religious reasons. Liked to fight in the arena as a gladiator. Unbecoming behavior. Cruel, drunkard. An incapable ruler.
@randallsimmons391
@randallsimmons391 7 ай бұрын
Another fantastic compilation. You would be doing the academic world a great disservice were you to not compile many of your well researched treatises into books. Collegiate courses could be taught using your work as basis for graduate work. Very well done!
@Anonymous-ym8gr
@Anonymous-ym8gr 7 ай бұрын
Nice video. The theory of Nordicism was debunked scientifically. Similarly, it would be nice to have a video debunking the idea that a sizeable proportion of Greeks was Nordic.
@jakethesnake123
@jakethesnake123 7 ай бұрын
good video i love watching your debunking content
@CrypticWizard9
@CrypticWizard9 7 ай бұрын
Romans looked like modern Italians. Tan dark, primarily brown hair, and brown eyes. But with some blue and green eyes as well as some dirty blond and red hair.
@carmenpozzi7357
@carmenpozzi7357 Ай бұрын
Marrone scuro sarai tu
@michelepurington3227
@michelepurington3227 7 ай бұрын
This reminds me of an Art History lecture I had in college. Love it!
@Arminius420
@Arminius420 4 ай бұрын
If they were Nordic they wouldn't be so critical about Germanic people.
@ferociousgustafson4040
@ferociousgustafson4040 7 ай бұрын
Is it weird that the people who insist some genetics are superior always see that superiority in the genetics they already possess? It’s never “Ainu bloodlines are the best, wish I had some of that.”
@disconcerningcitizen2224
@disconcerningcitizen2224 7 ай бұрын
It's why I can never take these people seriously. The "master race" has x,y and z arbitrary features. *person has x,y and z features*
@ViriatoII
@ViriatoII 7 ай бұрын
There are whites who claim black or native American DNA is better
@applebees563
@applebees563 7 ай бұрын
Except for Hitler surprisingly, since he had dark hair and supposedly dark eyes lmao. Bro hated himself
@disconcerningcitizen2224
@disconcerningcitizen2224 7 ай бұрын
@applebees563 having dark hair and eyes didn't prevent you from being in the Aryan race. You just weren't as pure compared to blonde blue eyed folks
@TruthMatters9674
@TruthMatters9674 7 ай бұрын
@@applebees563 Hitler had dark hair, but dark blue eyes.
@Smkymcpott85
@Smkymcpott85 7 ай бұрын
"There is no my truth or her truth. There is just objective truth." Very beautifully said. It seems in this period and culture, we are confusing objective truth with emotional truth. We all have our emotional truths. These are statements expressing the emotions we are feeling as a person, this is very polarizing and individualistic, which separates us from the whole. While on the other hand, there is the objective truth of a situation that is not bogged down by the weight of emotions. Both are extremely important, we should not deny our emotions, which would lead to blockages within ourselves that manifest in a negative way, or in a way that we don't want. Sorry to get a bit metaphysical, but the ethereal realm is all around us and plays into everything we do, whether you believe it or not. But what about the notion, "History is written by the winners."
@aag3752
@aag3752 Ай бұрын
The Levant was NOT and is NOT a region of dark skinned peoples. I'm Lebanese and am white. Many Lebanese and Syrians have light skin, and a significant minority of us have blonde hair and blue eyes.
@BluegrassKnight
@BluegrassKnight 7 ай бұрын
While I totally agree with your arguments, I would just like to add that while I know that certain phenotypes were more prevalent in certain areas of Europe back then. I would like to point out that we been trading people back and forth around Europe since at least the bronze age, probably before. So, while darker hair with tan skin maybe a southern European trait and lighter skin with blonde or red hair a northern one, you could find both in either place. Phenotypes are just products of isolation, adaptation, selection, diet and time, so what I'm trying to say is that we are all still European and Human! So, like Metatron tries to say, can't we all just get along and stop counting our differences, instead focus on what we have in common, while also learning to accept facts!
@roh-mj6em
@roh-mj6em 7 ай бұрын
Yes we are human. But there is no European concept before 17th century. You can't apply those things to ancient Greeks and Romans, for them cletics, germanic, iderian, balkan, Baltic, Nordic and slavic tribes are different and uncivilized savages. By this modern European concept you can't steal Greek and Roman history as yours. You should be proud about your Nordic tribes.
@BluegrassKnight
@BluegrassKnight 7 ай бұрын
I was merely speaking to blood ancestry and to add to what you are saying, all of these groups are made up. While certain characteristics are more prevalent in certain parts of Europe, all types can be found in where in Europe, like a redhead in Italy or brown eyes in Norway. These features do not directly determine what group you belong to, it can only help narrow down where they maybe from. All Caucasians belong to the same group of humans the migrated to Europe back before the last ice age, so all have a common ancestry. For clarity I'm of Anglo-German Heritage with a dash of native American and I'm proud of all parts of my heritage. So, while I don't condone misappropriating other's culture, I feel anyone no matter their heritage, can use and appreciate other people's culture in a respectful way.@@roh-mj6em
@nenirouvelliv
@nenirouvelliv 7 ай бұрын
Although there wasn't really ever such a divide that Northern Europe was all blonde and Southern Europe all dark and they eventually mixed. The whole spectrum existed in Europe since the Neolithic at least and became more and more blonde in the north during the Bronze Age onwards, as Indo-Europeans turned to farming. And diseases became more in common as population increased, which put additional evolutionary presssure to obtain more vitamin D thus driving the population towards depigmentation. This evolutionary pressure was lesser of course in the Mediterranean, but sharing similar ancestral components with the rest of the Europe they obviously shared similar phenotypes with the North. Italy probably was probably at it's blondest after the Germanic invasions, especially during the Middle Ages when it was more northern-shifted than today or the Roman ages.
@BluegrassKnight
@BluegrassKnight 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was trying to say just in a more condensed form, thanks for adding! @@nenirouvelliv
@arthas640
@arthas640 6 ай бұрын
I've always been interested in that. We tend to think of Greeks as olive skinned and dark haired but back in the day red and blonde hair wasnt unusual. Go to Afghanistan and Iran and while rare you'll find the occasional blonde or red head, and blue and green eyes arent unheard of.
@teresamerkel7161
@teresamerkel7161 7 ай бұрын
Metatron with his sword of logic and truth backed by correctly contextualized primary sources. "Checkmate." Love those 72 wings.
@julietfischer5056
@julietfischer5056 7 ай бұрын
There _are_ blond-haired, blue-eyed Italians who still do not 'look Italian.' You see quite a few of them in movies. They still aren't common in the general population.
@mikei7498
@mikei7498 5 ай бұрын
They were southern European and were genetically very far apart from Scandinavian cluster
@damianvanheerden1436
@damianvanheerden1436 7 ай бұрын
I never knew there was such a theory, you learn something new every day. Thanks I apricate this breakdown
@oktusprime3637
@oktusprime3637 7 ай бұрын
It's actually a very popular belief by white supremacists.
@ImperialSenpai
@ImperialSenpai 7 ай бұрын
It’s the basis for national socialist racial thought, if you want to see more in depth of that nonsense TIK has multiple videos discussing their nonsensical beliefs.
@gs7828
@gs7828 7 ай бұрын
@@ImperialSenpai Funnily, the Nazis both cherished Germanic resistance to Rome and at the same time copied Roman iconography to portray power. Ironic.
@ImperialSenpai
@ImperialSenpai 7 ай бұрын
@@gs7828 Yeah, also hated the Catholic Church but liked using the Teutonic Knights for propaganda purposes to further their ideology. It’s bonkers that they would just contradict themselves and say the most ridiculous things.
@damianvanheerden1436
@damianvanheerden1436 7 ай бұрын
@@ImperialSenpai Thanks for the heads up Senpai
@Raz.C
@Raz.C 7 ай бұрын
It's rather funny: When Raphael quite rightly pointed out that Egyptians (ancient and otherwise) aren't and weren't *Black,* the brainless internet hosts called him a white supremacist, called him racist, etc... Now that he's pointing out that Romans weren't "White" I wonder if he'll get people calling him a black supremacist...
@gabork5055
@gabork5055 7 ай бұрын
That just makes him a Black and White supremacist. No better yet, a Grey supremacist. 👽
@ElessarFrey
@ElessarFrey 4 ай бұрын
Mediterraneans are european for God’s sake, what’s with Americans trying to represent Southern Europe as a swarthy location?
@Raz.C
@Raz.C 3 ай бұрын
@@ElessarFrey Most Greeks/ Lebs/ Egyptians/ Southern Italians, etc, like myself, will generally have olive skin, rather than fair/ dark skin. It's a far sight from swarthy.
@ElessarFrey
@ElessarFrey 3 ай бұрын
@@Raz.C Lebanese and Egyptians do, but southern Italians are not that dark, that’s just a Hollywood stereotype. You just have to visit Sicily to see that.
@Raz.C
@Raz.C 3 ай бұрын
@@ElessarFrey I wouldn't say that ALL southern Italians have olive skin, but rather, to find a person with olive skin in Italy, you'll find more of them in the south, than in the north. I've only ever travelled to Northern Italy (Milano). There were some with olive skin there, though it was the exception, rather than the rule. Very different to my travels through North Africa, Greece and the middle east.
@TylPhumin
@TylPhumin 7 ай бұрын
another super interesting video, thank you very much
@goodfty
@goodfty 7 ай бұрын
Thank you! This was exceptionally well done.
@theCosmicQueen
@theCosmicQueen 7 ай бұрын
some of them were blond or redhead but that doesn't make them nordic. there were also blond greeks/ spartans.
@jacquelineess1141
@jacquelineess1141 7 ай бұрын
100%
@AmunRaa
@AmunRaa 17 күн бұрын
I have seen a lot of these people who claim ancient Egypt for the same reasons. I came from a rural area and we have people with red, blonde and golden hair color and colored eye and all of them from rural areas which makes them natives same as the people you are talking about natives to the Romans and this doesn't make them Europeans nor Nordic
@TheVinci19
@TheVinci19 7 ай бұрын
Romans were impressed by physicality of Gaul and German tribes, before to kill them all, so of course they were not nordic, or they wouldn't be impressed
@michaeltammaro482
@michaeltammaro482 7 ай бұрын
EXCELLENT! Metatron is so STRIKINGLY intelligent for me regarding his historical lessons. My head hurt after this. LOL!
@NordicWiseguy
@NordicWiseguy 7 ай бұрын
Calling ancient romans nordic is the stupidest thing ever. They were mediterranean and didn't look much different from modern day italians and people around that region.
@I_am_Diogenes
@I_am_Diogenes 7 ай бұрын
My compliments . Always something new with this channel . I must have been so far under my rock I missed this theory . I can see where some might think Nordic influence was enough to impact Rome AFTER the sack of Rome but I have not heard some thought it also originated Rome .
@keyem4504
@keyem4504 7 ай бұрын
My grandma told me that the Romans didn't drink wine. In fact they drank only beer, and especially the variant from the Cologne area in Germany. Kölsch. And that's the only truth!
@user-zj6oh6hx8j
@user-zj6oh6hx8j 3 ай бұрын
Great video.
@anthonyshoop575
@anthonyshoop575 7 ай бұрын
I think it is time to reform these styles of video…instead of asking/answering a question , you need only state a fact that can be referenced for all time hence forth. This allows you to focus on the truly amazing content you’ve become known for: deeply researched, analytical and unbiased in as many ways as possible, easily identified types of evidence you use, etc. All neatly packed into some arcane or very famous historical, religious or warfare and cultural videos that only you seem capable of making. Metatron truly is the very best of what KZfaq is meant to be. As a fellow Italian it also makes me beam with pride, Keep up the great work.
@TheBusyHoneyBee
@TheBusyHoneyBee 7 ай бұрын
I am shocked! Never imagined that ancient Romans looked like italians... s/
@darkmax9926
@darkmax9926 7 ай бұрын
very good video as always! A channel called "lets ask seki sensei" reacted to your video "kenjutsu vs hema". The gentleman there is a kenjutsu master in japan, i think you reacting to it could be very interesting!
@scottfoster2639
@scottfoster2639 7 ай бұрын
As usual, very thoroughly done.
@trabantdelux
@trabantdelux 7 ай бұрын
Wonderful subject as always. We live in times where scientific approach and methodology is so rare it makes it more and more exciting when you get gems like Metatron... Ps. Is it just me getting parts of the video with green pixels on the bottom of some of the video cuts?
@thejackal5099
@thejackal5099 7 ай бұрын
Imagine confusing Nords with those Imperial milk-drinkers.
@dank_stogie_yooooo
@dank_stogie_yooooo 7 ай бұрын
By Thalos!
@joao.fenix1473
@joao.fenix1473 7 ай бұрын
The EMPIRE is the only way to take down the THALMOR!
@Joao-ur7ey
@Joao-ur7ey 7 ай бұрын
Romans aren't the only class of civilization I saw been proclaimed to being nordic by some people, but old greeks and spartans too.
@eirikarnesen9691
@eirikarnesen9691 7 ай бұрын
they where though? its just not supposed to say nordic. its indo european. this is not conspiracy theory, its genetics. this was established fact not long ago, but i guess everyone has gone full retard
@jacquelineess1141
@jacquelineess1141 7 ай бұрын
Murican blacks claim that too. It's embarrassing when people hate themselves so much that they feel they have to steal other peoples' achievements and contributions to the world.
@Moncrom
@Moncrom 7 ай бұрын
My grandmother always said: "I don't care what historians say. The romans were actually Space Marines and earth is part of the Ultramar Galactic Empire."
@SchizophrenixTheGaul3478
@SchizophrenixTheGaul3478 7 ай бұрын
Now that's the granmama I can get behind
@ds82wrestling
@ds82wrestling 7 ай бұрын
Excellent work.
@Zetact_
@Zetact_ 7 ай бұрын
Another really obscure Roman emperor who was blonde is Constantius Gallus, who Ammianus in describing his handsome appearance mentions he had soft, blonde hair. Since blonde is not a dominant trait it might indicate that other Constantinians could have been blonde? They also often used the names "Flavius" and "Flavia" constantly. Maybe Constantius Chlorus had roots from the north which could have been why Diocletian sent him up to Brittania? Or maybe the men of their family just really liked blondes and after a few generations it stuck with them.
@jigsaw2253
@jigsaw2253 7 ай бұрын
Romans wuz Viking and sheeit😂
@Zetact_
@Zetact_ 7 ай бұрын
@@jigsaw2253 Not saying they were Nordic. If anything it's just plausible that the Constantinians maybe had Germanic blood somewhere in their line, enough that at least one of them was confirmed to be blonde. They were also around fairly late into the Western empire, when there would be a lot of people with Germanic heritage mixing in with the native Romans as well.
@marcobelli6856
@marcobelli6856 7 ай бұрын
@@jigsaw2253this is more Viking wuz Romans n shiet Not the other way around
@Ingrid-wh7jf
@Ingrid-wh7jf 7 ай бұрын
A lot of the Egyptian ruling elite were white as well red hair and blue eyed same with attila the hun I don't think metatron did a great job convincing me the roman elite class wasn't Nordic or Germanic
@ur-inannak9565
@ur-inannak9565 7 ай бұрын
Modern Italians sometimes have blonde hair, the trait appears to some degree pretty much everywhere in Europe and Central Asia.
@blackieblackmetal7218
@blackieblackmetal7218 7 ай бұрын
EXCELLENT WORK! You never fail to impress! You should do a vid on the great number of genius minds that historically come out of Italy.
@iberius9937
@iberius9937 7 ай бұрын
Safe to say that the blondism and fair pigmentation and phenotypical tendency that existed in Rome and Greece was of the more Alpine, Dinaric and Mediterranean variety, darker than Nordics and Celts and with the Romans and Greeks being shorter in height in comparison, of course.
@user-yt3xd2jl6d
@user-yt3xd2jl6d 7 ай бұрын
Blonde hair spread in Europe in the Neolithic from the North, European farmers were not blonde, the Greeks are the closest Europeans to them, this mutation was introduced sometime 4000 years ago, from the East or the North. Although the first blondes in Europe emerged in the Mesolithic.
@marcellaacone7085
@marcellaacone7085 7 ай бұрын
I hope you'll be watched even by the ones who still believe that Italians are olive skinned; in spite of all photos, movies, pictures, statues and things available, some still believes those old-fashioned ciché.
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