Metzeler TD Slick vs Pirelli SC3 Slick | Important differences and similarities

Metzeler TD Slick vs Pirelli SC3 Slick | Important differences and similarities | Trackdays & Racing

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A short and handy video to truly understand the differences between Metzeler TD and Pirelli SC3, they aren't as similar as they seem.
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00:48 Warmers
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02:20 Bike Set up
02:34 Odd New Tarmac
03:02 Reversibility
03:27 Compounds
04:25 Hassle free
04:42 Price
05:11 Racing & Trackdays
05:26 consistency
& heat cycles
05:44 Laptimes
06:14 Aspect profiles
06:41 Summary
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@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

Here are the Chapters for an easier viewing experience: 0:00 Important Intro 00:48 Warmers 01:23 Skill Level 01:51 Temperatures 02:20 Bike Set up 02:34 Odd New Tarmac 03:02 Reversibility 03:27 Compounds 04:25 Hassle free 04:42 Price 05:11 Racing & Trackdays 05:26 consistency & heat cycles 05:44 Laptimes 06:14 Aspect profiles 06:41 Summary

@greenjackal4362 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Abhi for your devotion to our lifestyle. I’m not sure why, but unlike manufacture reps I can more easily grasp the your convenience of the tire tech.

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much mate, I think that’s exactly why I do these videos , it’s more about cutting the jargon out and simplifying it for the masses , I am no rider coach or a out and out rapid rider but I do endurance and I go through different phases of the tire from optimum grip to consistent grip to when the tire starts to slide so I find it easy to convert that feel into words :) Thanks for the appreciation

@JamieHarris1983 Жыл бұрын

another great informative video Abhi, much love bro

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much mate, thanks for commenting

@superbikejunky4671 Жыл бұрын

Abhi another cracking VLOG !! so helpful as I’ve bought the Metz for Spain in a few weeks !!

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

Thank you mate , I am very curious, please do tell me which track , how they performed and what your pressures were and the ambient temperatures there.

@superbikejunky4671 Жыл бұрын

@@ChasingTenths I’m off to cartagena on the 23rd so I’ll definitely let you know my thoughts as it’s the first time of used these 👍

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

@@superbikejunky4671 fantastic. Great track plenty of bends , a bit abrasive Have a lovely time

@stinkerdoodle1737 Жыл бұрын

I have the Metzeler TD tires and I love them if I was really fast I may want something better but they work great.... and I love the fact that you can switch the rear tire. Thanks for these videos they help a lot.

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

No problem , I am glad they are great tyres for you. I'll be honest, I used them for 3 years in a row and I never had any complaints.

@lillnemo1 Жыл бұрын

You can switch the rear of any brand. Folks are doing it for years and years on track without problems

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

@@lillnemo1 I know mate, I agree, that’s why I didn’t discuss it in the video , I know everyone does it but I can’t promote stuff which isn’t recommended by manufacturers on a public forum like KZfaq

@tractioncontroldelete Жыл бұрын

Love when you talk tires!

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

Lol cheers matey , I guess I’ll take that as a compliment ;)

@wimpyahlawat4126 Жыл бұрын

Really nice video with very useful info

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much mate

@solo_dingo Жыл бұрын

Finally tried the td's. No warmers on a cold day here in Qld and they were brilliant. Knocked 5 seconds off my Pb within 5 sessions. They inspired confidence compared to the metzeler m9s I had on before. Don't think I'll bother with warmers just yet. Happy to do a warm up lap or 2 until I get quick enough to join the fast group when my warm-up lap may screw with other riders.

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

That’s absolutely brilliant So glad it all worked out for you so brilliantly… love the comment I personally only used them once without warmers but I am glad they warmed up so quick for you and gave you brilliant laptimes . Thanks for the constructive comment

@AlbertoBaranano Жыл бұрын

Nice video again. I use Pirelli on my TUONO, Metzeler on my Multistrada

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

Both lovely choices , I used M9RR on a road bike 4 years ago , amazing tyre that was but for fast road riding I loved the Metzeler Racetec K3 RR

@lonpfrb 4 ай бұрын

@ChasingTenths Hi Abhi, thanks for another useful video. On your final point about 55/60/65 'widths' I'm sure that you would want to be accurate. So 180, 190, 200 is the tyre width, and 55/60/65 is the aspect ratio. So three different aspect ratios in the same 200 width means that they have different heights so aspect ratios. The height is important for your setup both suspension, ground clearance and rear swing-arm length, so steering geometry. The height also deliberately affects the profile of the tyres so how much area is available for side grip. The 55 aspect will be closer to a round arc which makes it very consistent with grip from upright to fully lent over. The 65 will offer more side grip with a larger area at the side so not consistent but more suitable for racers who want to get off the corners with early throttle for example. The 60 somewhere in between. Not everyone will be comfortable with the 65 that is willing to drop into the turn to full lean, so may prefer the 55 that doesn't drop in rather rolls in consistently. Speed of steering inputs and results are a personal choice. Well that's my 10c so feel free to correct any errors..

@ChasingTenths 4 ай бұрын

You are superbly accurate and this is really well written .. when I mentioned width in the video verbally I think I remember putting star correct in worded edits *aspect ratio, so yes definitely 👍🏽 I meant aspect ratio But you have explained that really well I have plans to make a Separate video on aspect ratio as I feel I left the subject here a bit unfinished Thank you ever so much

@lonpfrb 4 ай бұрын

@@ChasingTenths Thank you, and I look forward to that. I would offer to help but believe you have more knowledgeable contacts in the paddock including the manufacturers technicians themselves. Presumably they would be delighted to help to put their insights and advantages in plain sight.

@ChasingTenths 4 ай бұрын

@@lonpfrb that’s the plan, Pirelli are very kind and I am actually at the first race meeting next week and will be talking to them :) Thank you again The way you respond is especially magnanimous

@lonpfrb 4 ай бұрын

@@ChasingTenths Off topic! Did you get over to see John at Bikersworld in their new location yet? They moved from Railway Approach new premises with more space. Unit 2 Crop Drier Works, Bowerland Ln, Lingfield RH7 6DF

@ChasingTenths 4 ай бұрын

@@lonpfrb I am aware that they have moved but I haven’t been there yet, I do a yearly pilgrimage there for valve clearance and general check up lol

@motovlad Жыл бұрын

Hi Abhi ,I found your channel recently and it is very good channel, I watch a lot of your videos already and I can’t believe you don’t have more subscribers.Definitely one of my favorites channels .Now what is your opinion on Michelin tires if you ever used them,so far I only used Michelin and now this season I am planning on switching to Pirelli to check it out?

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much Vlad , apologies for coming back to you a bit late, I’ll be honest , I have never made a video on Michelin as I never tried them , their road rubber is amazing though , however all the friends I have who have tried Michelin speak very highly of them also in our championship we only are allowed Pirelli or Metzeler… I’ll be honest if you have the funds to buy Pirelli slicks then it’s the best one out there, they get a lot of data from British Superstock , British superbikes and world super bikes which trickles down to their slicks which us mortals use. On the otherside Michelin is in motogp and motogp tires are super specialised , design with a different blue print in mind . So I reckon , Pirelli is better from a theoretical point of view

@motovlad Жыл бұрын

@@ChasingTenths No problem Abhi,for second I was thinking that you don’t like me (joke 😂),yea I switch to Pirelli to try them so we will see ,a lot of people use them here in California and I should be fine too especially for my trac lap times 😆, thank you for response and keep up good work 👍

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

@@motovlad hahaha .. thanks for the funny reply Loved it All the best mate I do like you lol

@dst-a-nen 9 ай бұрын

Interesting. I am running SC2 and I have always reversed rear without problem or diminished grip. On Portimao blistering tyre appears on the left side. A local guy told me to close preload on the shock and it healed my tyre. On the second set with more preload there was no blistering at all.

@ChasingTenths 9 ай бұрын

I totally understand, I have heard many people reversing a Pirelli but official Pirelli fitters don’t do it in U.K. and I was not going to promote the same on a public forum I have come across many racers who do it though :)

@SimonTheSquid Жыл бұрын

Great videos around the tyres and various compounds! I always felt like the tds felt a bit wooden and dead on heavy trail braking. Curious how the sc3s compare 👍

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

Interesting point that , the front TD is definitely a bit on the hard side , less deflection , very firm but works well on low to medium temperatures. it doesn't move around in braking, I have always used Pirelli SC1 slick in the front and Metzeler TD in the rear for trackdays and Pirelli front and back for racing

@SimonTheSquid Жыл бұрын

@@ChasingTenths yeah I think that's what it is for me. The sc has that bit more flex in the sidewall which my brain translates into "feel" while the td stays quite firm. Very much a personal choice sort of thing but I like feeling how much pressure is running through the front so I can ease off if needed. The tds never failed me grip wise but I always got the impression that if they did it would be quickly and without much warning 🙈

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

@@SimonTheSquid hahaha true , that’s why for my fronts I use the SC1 slick and rear TD slick.. I always thought have a more softer and aggressive race front slick is safer :)

@hb-t Ай бұрын

Whether Pirelli says you can or not, you most certainly can flip Pirelli slicks. Works absolutely fine.

@ChasingTenths Ай бұрын

I am absolutely sure it does , but I can’t simply advocate that on a public forum like KZfaq sadly , such is the state of the world

@hb-t Ай бұрын

@@ChasingTenths yup, I get it. You could have said that other people say it is fine in the video at least ;)

@ChasingTenths Ай бұрын

@@hb-t lol 😂

@flamintasty Жыл бұрын

Great video Abhi. I’m a huge Metzeler fanboi, have been since the 80’s 😊

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

Metzeler are brilliant, so sensibly priced and so so good.. thanks for the appreciation:)

@TheOriginalCoda Жыл бұрын

Abhi, after changing my own tyres recently and upgrading some wheels to lightweight Magnesium Marchesini, a question came to mind. It seems to me that the different tyre brands can weigh quite a lot different to each other... considering this mass is on the outside of the wheel, that's where most of the gyroscopic effect is. What's you opinion on this, and do you think you'll make another video like you did for the other bits you weighed off your bikes? Thanks for the great content.

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

you know I often wondered to make a video on various tyres in terms of their weights as in unsprung mass but then I thought if a particular tyre turns out to be lighter than others , a lot of people might just choose that to save weight as a lot of people are very bothered about weight. But if that happens they might ignore many other factors like conditions and temperatures and that can lead to a crash... I think racing tyres or slicks for trackdays should be chosen on what weather conditions are doing to be , otherwise trackday road tyres like SUPERCORSA SP is great for everything . but yes, I deliberately didnt do a video. Tyres are the most important aspect along with suspension and brakes and if people started choosing tyres just for weight , they might end up in big trouble , I hope that made sense matey

@TheOriginalCoda Жыл бұрын

@@ChasingTenths Absolutely makes sense, it never crossed my mind. For me I'd only pick one tyre over another based on weight if the two were similar purpose, like S22s vs Rosso IV, or maybe the Metz TD vs Pirelli SC3? 😁Thanks mate.

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

@@TheOriginalCoda good point that actually I agree

@TahirPassionGP Жыл бұрын

Abhi you have long experience with the Metzeler we can really trust on you. I have TD's in my garage im gonna test them this year I may use them in Cremona Circuit with my friends as they want to start the season there. Curious to feel how they behave.👍

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much mate, I think I was one of the first ones to try the Metzeler TD in the uk and first one to really trust them and use them 3 years in a row. They have never let me down and kept my tyres cost low and lasted very well. Let me know how you get on with them, I am curious. And thank you for the kind words :)

@FirstLast-tx3yj 11 ай бұрын

@@ChasingTenths several years later have you got practical data around the swingarm vibration damper? how is your experience in reality with the damper. Great video as always, thank you

@ChasingTenths 11 ай бұрын

@@FirstLast-tx3yj so, I don’t really have data in the form of something measurable with a device as such but from a personal point of view, I can confirm , I had 6 times where I nearly highsided but only high sided once (but I take that with a pinch of salt as bike as electronics too but older version), I have much less tire wear , consistent wear and less movement of bike coming out of the corner So it’s absolutely ok But it’s so hard to really quantify the benefits of that device or pin point the exact benefits , but these were my before and after observations

@FirstLast-tx3yj 11 ай бұрын

@@ChasingTenths i ride a k8 gsxr and dont have any electronic intervention so help in tire wear is a really good indicator. I will be willing to try it to see how it helps me because there are too many things going on we cannot pipoint which variable is responsible. so tire wear is a genuinely good objective indicator. cheers and ride safely

@ChasingTenths 11 ай бұрын

@@FirstLast-tx3yj ahh ok , understandable that’s nicely worded :)

@greyanaroth Жыл бұрын

As always, encyclopaedic 👌

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, knowledge only comes from trying constantly :)

@greyanaroth Жыл бұрын

@@ChasingTenths Yes indeed! If you don't mind, a quick question: a friend of mine was asking about the difference in side to side transition. How different was the profile, and the resultant side side transition/turn in "fall" rate for you?

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

@@greyanaroth the Pirelli is much more aggressive side to side transition then metzelerTD

@greyanaroth Жыл бұрын

@@ChasingTenths thank you friend. I, too, suspected as much.

@everclear1984 Жыл бұрын

I generally do 4 trackdays a year. Just picked up an S1000rr after riding a Duke 690 for 2 seasons so still getting a feel for it, I'd say I'm a slow inters pace. Do you think a single set of TD's would see me through the season? Or would I be better off going for something like Supercorsa SP's? PS - I don't run tyre warmers.

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

Hey Chris, if the bike is road and track then definitely stick with Supercorsa SP. Are we mortals better than a Supoercorsa SP, no way , absolutely not. They warm up quick, they don't have a super aggressive profile like a Slick and are consistent too. As long as your pressures are ok , you will be absolutely fine with those SP. I used them a lot before moving on to the slicks. They are fantastic, 100 percent stick with Supercosa SP Chris

@everclear1984 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Abhi, as I suspected 👍 Bring on Mallory in April! 😁

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

@@everclear1984 brilliant stuff, I absolutely love Mallory, one of my all time favourite tracks to practice relentlessly , as its such a short lap full of quirky bits

@HangOnHangOff 5 ай бұрын

Hi Abhi. Looks like in the US we don't have that many retailers for Metzler TD. This means I need to buy a few sets at a time to saving on shipping. What is the Front to Rear ratio wear for this tire? 1 to 1 or 3 to 5?

@ChasingTenths 5 ай бұрын

Yes mate, I totally understand, I have a few people from the U.S saying the same thing The front lasts really really long Too long infact I gauge it by track time rather than wear Cause the damn tire keeps lasting long So I would say front and back Maximum 6 days on track You normally have the best out of the tire by then anyways

@HangOnHangOff 4 ай бұрын

So base on your experience, how many rears do you burn through for a front? Or do you prefer to just change them together so you get fresh rubbers to be consistent?@gTenths

@ChasingTenths 4 ай бұрын

@@HangOnHangOff SC1 Pirelli slick is heat cycle sensitive so I don’t use it for more that 3 Trackdays no matter how much grip is left on it .. SC3 rear can take more heat cycles so that’s also 3 trackdays maximum as that starts to go off anyways , metzeler TD can last many many trackdays but I wouldn’t use it for more than 4 days It’s a reasonably priced tires It’s worth changing it after 4 days when if the grip is there But you can reserve the rear too Change the sides

@SONO4B11T Жыл бұрын

Have you come across riders with irregular tire wear, and still performed well ?

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, to be honest , you only know about irregular wear when you come into the pits/garage lol , until then you are on track giving it everything ;)..... I just hate when a ridge starts to build on the rear because then your contact patch is reduced on the side.

@n1ck815 4 ай бұрын

Have you tried a sc1 cut slick front and a td rear slick combo

@ChasingTenths 2 ай бұрын

yes, I have , its a brilliant combo , never had an issue, it's all about having the right pressures on the right day and the right compound for the right ambient and track temperatures. :)

@steveketteringham1765 Жыл бұрын

How do these tyres compare to treaded supercorsa? All comparisons are made to slicks

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

It was a slicks comparison as it was a slick oriented video between two compounds from two companies. Supercorsa’s profile is very different to metzeler or sc3 Pirelli slick , supercorsa profile has less aggressive side profile, slicks always have more side contact patch but supercorsa is an amazing tyre for anyone who isn’t ready to move to slicks. Or wants to stick with road rubber . Supercorsas warm up very quick, especially the SP Supercorsa, the SC supercorsa is more track orientated , take a lap longer to warm up well, the SP supercorsa lasts really long and very versatile tyre. There’s a different between SP and SC supercorsa, I will do a dedicated video comparing metzeler slicks with supercorsa and sp and sc too in a week

@tribalhwk Жыл бұрын

I thought it was this episode from my TD for snow 😂

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

hahaha, thats proper funny

@abbindaisyabraham Жыл бұрын

I run TD’s on my s1000rr turns rotation after every two track days, got around 6days from it, what life you get out for yours? And one of the Metz rep suggested to run 75degrees on them as higher temperature can overcook the compound, have you heard anything like that?

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

Hey Abbin, I also get 5 to 7 days out of it And no, I have never had compound cooking issues at all It’s a very durable compound My warmers are Set on 80 degrees There’s never been an issue at all

@abbindaisyabraham Жыл бұрын

@@ChasingTenths Cheers for the reply Abhi, what about the front, same life or even more? All the way down from New Zealand, been following your channel for last two years, awesome content keep posting more :)

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

@@abbindaisyabraham Aahhh fantastic mate, good to see that you are following all the way from NZ, much appreciated… to be honest I use SC1 Pirelli front and even that lasts ages and ages but after 3 Trackdays even though life is there on it , I don’t use it as that’s too many heat cycles … the TD front lasts for many many days but I wouldn’t use it for more than 6 … I guess even for TD that might be way too many heat cycles lol

@abbindaisyabraham Жыл бұрын

@@ChasingTenths Cheers for that Abhi, appreciate your replies. Happy riding 😀🤟

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

@@abbindaisyabraham not a problem matey … feel free to comment and asking anything and everything Love to hear from someone following from New Zealand, it’s unreal

@jimjim753 Жыл бұрын

I been running dunlop slicks for trackdays on my superduke. Same tire the moto america series runs. With good results....does pirelli have the stiff sidewall like dunlops?

@Tacgibs Жыл бұрын

Pirelli and Metzeler are softer than Dunlop and Bridgestone, but not less effective. It's mostly a matter of taste, just like sugar in coffee ;)

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

Hi Daryl , Pirelli Metzeler are softer , Dunlops definitely have more life , more durable . In my endurance racing series we can only use Pirelli or Metzeler

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

Hi Daryl , Pirelli Metzeler are softer , Dunlops definitely have more life , more durable . In my endurance racing series we can only use Pirelli or Metzeler

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

@@Tacgibs nicely worded :)

@jimjim753 Жыл бұрын

@Chasing Tenths the superduke kills rear tires.. dunlops have been best at tire life...i may try the metzeler td this season....

@LowsideLew Жыл бұрын

I wish they did the TD slick in a 200/65 this profile Seems to make a big difference to my style Appreciate going for 1 size for the TD slick keeps those prices down.

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

Thats true , the whole point of the TD is to attract new slick riders in and they kept a very modular manufacturing approach , kept it simple , but I have heard that more aspect ratios will be available , at least a 60 soon

@user-hu6tz5sm8w 9 ай бұрын

Is there any comparison with　”michelin POWER SliCK2"

@ChasingTenths 9 ай бұрын

I haven’t done that yet , but I do aim to do some Dunlop and Michelin comparing soon

@user-hu6tz5sm8w 9 ай бұрын

looking forward to it !

@joshkerby-qd4mq 9 ай бұрын

You can flip the SC3 with zero issues, period.

@ChasingTenths 9 ай бұрын

Josh, I understand that. And I have seen many do it. But you need to understand my position as a content creator , I will never ever promote this on a social media platform and give information out which a company like Pirelli doesn’t do themselves, in our race series Pirelli were damn strict on reversing plus I don’t wanna get emails from them stating I am giving out contradictory info.. If I had said what you had said , the backlash from the so called “righteous army” in my comment section would be unreal @joshkerby-qd4mq

@zhuliyanzhekov9706 Жыл бұрын

How far you go on the wear marks before you replace them ?

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

Which ones , Metzeler TD or Pirelli SC3 ?

@zhuliyanzhekov9706 Жыл бұрын

@@ChasingTenths Meyzeler TD Front and Rear

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

@@zhuliyanzhekov9706 the METZELER TD lasts a long time , even after 5 Trackdays sometimes there is life in the tyre and the dots are still visible but I don’t use it for more than 5 full days because even if it can take many heat cycle , my personal view is that the best performance from the compound has been extracted in those 5 days so I use it for maximum 5 full days

@zhuliyanzhekov9706 Жыл бұрын

@@ChasingTenths eveey track is different so I cannot go by the trackdays. Thats why i ask id i should clear out the wear marks or change before. If you are not sure with the answer its okay.

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

@@zhuliyanzhekov9706 5 days was a generic average to give you an idea so you know roughly about the amount of heat cycles , i am aware every track is different but mainly what’s more important is that how many sessions you put the warmers on and off the tyres and the ambient temps and track temps of the track … it’s a broader subject but as a trackday enthusiast 5 days was an average , for example: in the U.K. my front has last 7 days and rear 5 days but in Spain it lasted 3 days only front and back .. so it’s all about heat cycles and ambient temperatures .. I write down the amount of heat cycles the tire has been through on the tire with a chalk … 5 days is a good average for that particular tire compound .

@solo_dingo Жыл бұрын

Track days are expensive, tyres too. So the td slick wins on cost alone and I'm not at the pointy end so it'll be plenty fast enough for me.

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree with you on this I only bought 3 rear TDs in 3 years They last for ages But this is cooler U.K. temperatures If I went to Spain or Portugal then they don’t last that long

@solo_dingo Жыл бұрын

@Chasing Tenths Amazing. I'm in Australia, the 4 days I've done this year have been over 35°.

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

@@solo_dingo that’s bloody amazing … we can’t wait for the summer here in U.K.

@solo_dingo Жыл бұрын

@Chasing Tenths honestly it isn't much fun. You can't peel the leathers off fast enough after a session and you dehydrate quickly if you don't stay on top of it. 4 sessions in and you're knackered. No warmers needed though.

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

@@solo_dingo yeah , I know what you mean mate. Totally agree Pros and cons I guess

@wimpyahlawat4126 Жыл бұрын

Hank you abhi

@ChasingTenths Жыл бұрын

No problem mate, You are very Helcome