Or anyone else

Yeah, the mountain was fairly busy that weekend too. Glad nobody was on the other side of the double yellow and everyone walked away unhurt.

If you want to push yourself and your car/bike find a track! This pace is wrong whether on 2, 3, or 4 wheels. Fine to enjoy the curves at a quick pace but anything more than that can and has been lethal. Innocents have lost their lives due to careless people who drive this way. I was on 2 wheels and almost taken out by joe boy racer on that road 2 years ago; I was just able to get out of his way as he crossing into my lane on a curve and was crashing as a result. Enough already.

@@keithallen3119 I track my car as well but try to keep it at a more reasonable pace on the roads to stay within my own/my car’s limits. Definitely possible to go quicker than shown here but I prefer to keep it between the mustard and the mayo with room to react. Stay safe out there!

That was exactly what I was thinking. Or head-on with another car.

It does get very busy on the weekends. Stay safe!

Tail of the dragon, for those who weren’t good enough for the track. Blood Mountain is the same way in Union County. State patrol he’s got a cracked and going on now in the bikes are disappearing. Reckless driving, bike impounded in straight to jail.

@@arcris1 KZfaq comments, for those who aren’t good enough for either one.

@@arcris1 say that to someone like Sebastien Loeb or anyone who races Pikes Peak. There aren't any race tracks with combinations of curves like this. Gobless.

Congratulations. There isn't much on either side of Deal's Gap that you can't go in the other direction for and get to sooner. In a way, The Tail is like Silver Lake Sand Dunes up here in Michigan. Less busy during the week, but more stuff to see on the weekends.

Unfortunately not the first R the Dragon has eaten, and sadly unlikely to be the last.

Iv got a Mk4 tdi and hated to see it hurt. He did repair the car from what I know from speaking to a friend of his. It was a great drive up until that point! Cool guy too!

I have a mk4 R32 as well, and they understeer pretty bad without upgraded suspension. Even then. That 3.2 vr6 is really heavy

They are becoming pretty rare and expensive now. Them MK4 R32s were when VAG group was at its pinnacle!

My buddy had a sick Corrado. He was thinking about selling it and getting an R 32. Definitely a cool ride.

Yeah it kind of closes up and gets tighter mid turn. Seems like a sweeper almost going into it. Damn he take the cliff or something? Also, the dip is my favorite part! So much fun.

The one I think CGP Grey talks about in his Tesla autopilot video, right?

@@RaisinBarXZ550 yup

@@failbox. is it fun endangering others lives is it?

It was that bike that crashed on the wall in a bend like some years ago?!

Lol no

Glad you had a good time! One of my favorite getaway spots for sure. You’ll definitely run into those groups that are ready to get rowdy! Thankfully I personally haven’t been caught up in any of them problems that can come along with them.

You wouldn’t understand what it’s like riding a bike like that sorry if it worry’s you

@@br1xh527 thanks🤣

@@failbox. yup definitely will be back once I finish my firebird formula

@@mustangdee_8760 Funny enough my coworker is building a formula firebird right now as well! He’s been posting videos over on his channel Chaos Garage. They’re cool cars!

Thanks man! Yeah, shame to see such a nice car damaged like it was. Just glad nobody was hurt here. Glad you were able to avoid them! Guys who cross the double yellow are the worst of people. Iv seen all kinds of stupid shit.. Blind turn overtakes, etc.. Best to keep it between the mustard and they mayo!

He could have killed someone too!

@@mikeandmelissa01 I'm just glad everyone walked away unharmed and nobody else was involved.

R32 is awd

@@onecleangti Of course, but check the weight distribution, transverse VR-6 over the front axle; hence, handling balance would be towards the understeer end of the spectrum.

Can be a bit hectic up there sometimes for sure! Especially when you get some of the faster guys breathing down your neck.

I mean it happens, but you could just pull over if someone is behind you, or let them get away if in front. I've done it a few times when I realized I was pushing a bit hard. There's always faster cars...even if sometimes they are slower cars.

@@Dolby109 More of an issue for me when I’m already driving fast and they come up faster and put the pressure on. It’s not a problem when given an opportunity to not take the pull offs at a reasonable speed.

I’ve never been to the dragon but I live very close to the snake and it’s pretty much Pluto. I’m a damn good driver but it’s not my driving I’m worried about. It’s people being stupid and pushing limits and putting others in the line of fire.

@@thatonecrazydudeyaknow285 The Snake is out in Cali if I recall? Shoot the scariest thing for me are the guys who are suddenly driving head on in my lane. Just have to keep it well within your own/car's limits. Driving fast is one thing but pushing limits is for safer enviroments.

Not sure I could ever part with my Miata! I ended up buying a second even for a daily now 😅 the go carts are so fun!

This one clip doesn’t really represent the whole picture. There are definitely a lot of faster drivers at the tail but most of us keep it under control. I don’t try to push boundaries in this kind of environment. A little fun is fine as long as we all drive home! Be safe out there!

You're wrong. It is ILLEGAL to race on the Dragon. I've seen a few videos and EVERY single one had at least one car/bike accident...

I don’t disagree that there are all skill levels and a wide variety of paces for the different drivers up there. It’s all about staying within your own/your car’s limits for the unexpected.. which unfortunately didn’t pan out for the VW. But also, the tail of the dragon is a federal highway (us129) and I’d say it’s unlikely that they would ever close it.. also, there are only like 3-4 deaths a year on average. Which statistically makes it on par with i285 in Atlanta for deaths per 10miles. Just food for thought.

they won't close it. that area makes a ton of money in lodging, food, emergency transport, medical bills, tow trucks...

They're just going to add speed bumps

This is called spirited driving. Street racing is what idiots do on city streets between redlights.

Was an oil spot on the road that did him in from an earlier crash. The brief damp spots did not change traction from my recollection.

The idiot will never learn until hes in jail or dead but the idiot cycle never slows.

Appreciate the comment! Yeah I’m glad it worked out the way it did for sure. The best case happened given the potential consequences. I try to stick to the off season for my visits so its not quite so busy. Stay safe out there!

good thing a feather didn't drop and your grandmother didn't fart in your face

There are a couple roads in the hills outside Adelaide, South Australia, called Gorge Road and Chain of Ponds. Great fun to drive, but they collect a few biker deaths every year. Plenty of Armco barriers, but don't try to slide your machine under one, or high side over one. Lotsa trees and gulleys.

I'm just glad a whole line didn't!

Yeah if I recall I wanted to wait on my friend a little longer but he gave me extra incentive to pull out.

I'm from Atlanta and have people in my lane daily. Sometimes I feel like there might be more dickheads on 285 than in the mountains that don't keep it between the mustard and the mayo. That being said there are definitely a bunch up there as well. I try to spread awareness if I can before telling them to fuck off as sometimes they are just newer enthusiasts who haven't learned what rules never should be broken.. Cant always fix stupid though. Not sure if bike vs car is any more or less dangerous. Having roll bars and whatnot is a big advantage for the vehicles. There are offenders from both enthusiast groups though. We cant change how the other people will drive but we can choose to be in the group that tries to better. I keep it within my own/my car's limits when I take it out and save anything that could be considered "pushing limits" for safer environments. Like you said, "#1 rule is to get home safely." Stay safe out there Steven!

My car wasn’t handling great that weekend and *insert other car guy excuse here* 😅🤷‍♂️ That being said the man was moving! I’m sure if I had gotten closer we could have enjoyed some Wookie noises too!

Haaahahaaaha! Gapped him right off the road! Smh

It's a lot of fun either way! They're amazing roads. Id imagine it would be difficult to really memorize the roads up there unless you're local so it can be a little bit of reaction driving. Though you can see a couple of corners ahead in a lot of places which makes it more forgiving. Be safe whenever you do make it out! Yeah he was okay and the car wasn't hurt too bad. We attempted to push/drive it out but from what I know it did end up having to be towed home. I spoke with one of his friend's I met up there and he said he did get the car put back together.

Yeah screw the dum asses on motorcycles that aren't expecting cars to flip onto their heads for taking a ride while you idiots are using a public road with posted speed limits as your own personal proving grounds for showcasing exactly why you're unfit to race professional on a track and.... POST!

Talking about the procharged c5 convertible that flipped this past weekend? I was stuck at the overlook for an hour while they towed him and the poor little red NA out of there. After looking at killboy’s photos I think that was the vette’s first run up the mountain.. on that day at least! I heard he had only bought it a couple months prior too.

@@failbox. when I drove pass thr crash. I heard he only got it for 2 weeks. Just saying that don't drive on the dragon to find self ego and car limit. It's not worth it.

@@VinRZ Stroking ego especially when you don't know how to wheel your car gets expensive too! lol It's a blast though for a driving experience for the rest of us. I definitely drive fast when im in the moutains but always save finding limits for safer environments.

Keeping it between the mustard and the mayo is the golden rule.

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you are either blind or blind he's on the other side of the road in a ditch that isn't staying in your own lane bud

@@bobmarley2140 Yes, but the guy in the ditch isn't the one posting the video, now is he??? Learn to think before you comment.

@@TennRides ORRRR how about you use proper English and be more specific 'Ya'll' implies the two cars that were the subject of this video. learn to think before you type.

You speak as if I was pushing boundaries. This was a bone stock Miata driving at reasonable speeds.

I agree and don't condone driving like I was here. I try to keep it within a reasonable level while still having fun. My goal is to never have another driver have to react to my mistakes and I try to stay well within my limits; hence not pushing like the VW was. Something the video also doesn't show is another car breathing down my neck and already had me at the speeds where I was ready to pull off so he could pass. Not justification I suppose as I'm sure id have been speeding regardless.. Either way! Like you said.. I am really glad it didn't go worse than it did and everyone was okay! Nobody else being involved and him going into the hill instead of cliff side was about as well as it could have ended. Stay safe out there!

Ride slow and boring, everything can potentially harm me! Typical Harley rider mentality. Why go to the Dragon if your not running it ! VW driver lacked skill period, this can happen anywhere!

Wish I could have seen his perspective to know where it went wrong.. Maybe he went for the brakes instead of just lifting and locked it all up? Shame I wasn’t closer to catch it.

@@spaceexplorer6636 Typical knob jockey mentality! I hope you live long enough to become an old rider. If you wanna run it, go to a track!

@@flyingtigers7856 typical old fart mentality! If you want to slow down every rider on a beautiful mountain road that most travel days to reach to have a little fun just because you forgot how to have fun! Then stay at home be safe in the rocking chair and just keep waiting till your numbers called ! Old grumpy buzzard !

Yeah it stresses me out when they abuse it. I try to give them extra room just in case.

Oh shit! No way! Yeah I remember! You were cool and we’re moving in that Lexus. The odds of you being the person behind me and finding this are crazy lol You knew the R32 guy too if I recall?

@@failbox. yeah, he's a buddy of mine lol. Small world, and all that. Actually sold the Lexus a few days ago. Might regret it - we'll see 😅

@@kevind1645 He got it put back together I hope? No doubt small world! Have another project in mind for the future? Hope you don't regret it too much. The big body lexuses are cool.

@@failbox. yeah, it's back to 100%! Didn't take toooo much work. And no projects in mind at the moment besides my 4Runner and motorcycles. I had a manual Volvo S60R for about 36 hours after selling the Lexus, then realized that was a horrible idea since I didn't want a money pit 😅

@@kevind1645 I figured that might be the case. The fact that we were able to attempt to drive it out even gave me a lot of hope. Lol at least you would have balanced the unrelability out with the reliabity of the 4runner. We've all considered the Volvo route of pain though. Hope to bump into you on your bike on the mountain someday for sure

I spoke to one of his friends who said that he was able to get it repaired pretty quickly. If I recall he did have to have it towed home though. Was a super nice car!

I believe an R32 is 4wd

@@stuartclague3914 you are correct

too much car,not enough of a driver I guess

Doesnt look like an R32. An R maybe? GTI?

Yes, same for the roads in western Oregon.

Bone stock Miata vs modified R32. Took those VR6 wookie noises straight into the distance!

Or the limits of their own skills. Understanding the limits of the vehicle is only one part of the equation. Driver skill and leaving a bit of wiggle room for a deer running out into the road, another driver that understeers and crosses the yellow or a mechanical problem is also something to consider! It is a public road not unlike the Nurburgring Nordschliefe.

Tail Of the Dragon is a massive driving attraction and spirited driving should be expected. However, I am glad nobody was hurt and everyone walked away from this incident.

@@failbox. I’m very familiar with the tail. I’ve driven it many times. Like you I’m glad no one was hurt.

Yeah it ended about as well as it could have! Nobody else involved and avoided the drop!

I wish he had gone off the cliff. That would be one less idiot out there with no regard for other people's lives!

@@vanhill8831 The hypocrisy of that statement. Even if he was pushing harder than he should have been.. everyone makes mistakes and this was as well as it could have gone. Hopefully he learned from it and will drive safer in the future. Stay safe out there!

He missed the best part.

@@failbox. Best part is the opposite direction which makes this so much more pathetic .

more or less yes but now there are a lot more police since its grown in popularity

Yeah, but the Golf didn't hit a set of motor cyclists, which is of course a shame. Hope one day a friend of yours posts the crash you made into a big unforgiving tree. Or do you prefer taking others with you?

It's a huge attraction! For the East coast of the USA this is one of the best roads you can experience. 318 curves over 11 miles. Super great time and I try to frequent it! Hated to see the Mk4 damaged though. He did repair it from what I hear.

@@asphalthedgehog6580 wtf is wrong with you

While they do lift one wheel, strangely it works well. They handle very well!

Yeah I wasn’t moving nearly as quick as him. Didn’t want to push too hard in my (at the time) completely stock Miata with 500 treadwear tires and bent suspension. I’d rather drive my car home at the end of the day.

No arguments here! Definitely important to stay well within the car and driver's limits. I try to live by the rule that "my driving should never force another driver to change the way they are driving or have to react to something Iv done." Will openly admit that it can add unnecessary risk though.

@@failbox. Smart!

I think it was just a wave from what I recall. Several years back though so who knows!