Like him or not, agree with him or not, Michael has the very rare gift of intellectual honesty. He researches his own beliefs and has the humility to change them when they are wrong. We need more people willing to do that.

There is such a thing as toxic empathy, toxic mothering, we have all seen it in the adult child who has no independence and relies on their parent constantly for everything.

Great video. It still blows my mind how in 2024 we seemed to have collectively lost our common sense. It's nice to see some folks still have it.

Zuby actually gets the struggle of the middle class. I’m so tired of hearing about the stock market when I’m buying groceries for my family of 5.

Mike Shelenberger is a fascinating man

I'm a "Shell" veteran but this is my first experience watching/hearing Zuby. The math is simple. I have added a new clear-thinking hero to my list of favorites. Thank you.

I heard an interesting quote today, "evil comes mostly in the form of 'compassion' now."

Michael is a brave and great man, fighting so many battles on our behalf.

shell is a legend.

My daughter graduated top ten in her class of 350 students and went to the US nationals in her sport, yet her principal didn’t know her name. The problem is that we are placing so much focus on the people who are disrupting our society and the people who are doing everything right and following the rules get pushed to the sidelines.

WHEN EXPOSING A CRIME IS BEING TREATED AS IF YOU ARE COMMITTING A CRIME,YOU ARE BEING RULED BY CRIMINALS

I am so glad I found this interview because as an old progressive leftie, I have been so confused about how people define the word left now. But I wish you would bring libertarianism and anarchism into light. The old lefties were not those people and yet I see anarchy becoming the norm. At my age ,74 I do not feel old ,and I am shocked at the infantile way our culture has progressed,😮

This needs a billion views!!!!!!

thank god for you, Michael Schellenberger. You too zuby.

Zuby, you have the best voice in modern broadcasting! And I really appreciate your open mindedness to all subjects. Not to mention your interviews are most fair I’ve seen. And Michael was a great pick to interview.

Amazing podcast. When you started talking about food prices I had to say this. I live in Oregon and just found out that small farmers are being subjected to incredible cost to comply with some person who is being paid to bankrupt farmers and very small ones are getting hurt the worst. That is what really opened my eyes to the higher prices.. God Bless America

Love Michael Shellenberger! Found him just a couple of days ago. Thanks for another excellent talk.

Zuby and Michael are really good people ... Thanks gentlemen !

Zuby, you rock man. Spread that love. We really need some at this time.

Podcast getting better with each episode. Congrats!

I’m embarrassed to say that I just discovered Zuby. Brilliant, humble guy. Thanks for the quality content, man. 👊🏻

Progressivism, by definition, believes in its superiority. Reading anything by Woodrow Wilson… how he rationalized segregation and discounted the Constitution.

Fabulous interview 😊

Michael is a joy to listen to, finally sanity with opinions based on facts that he'll lucidly argue. Thanks for this interview.

Thank you both for doing what you do. I’m a lefty. Not insane. Maybe we don’t have a team with a name anymore. But I’m grateful for this.

Boy, Michael wants to know the same things I do... Loved this conversation. Relief to hear there are others asking the same questions.

Love Michael! Thank God for our truthsayers!

Shellenberger is an incredibly underrated writer.

“To victims, everything must be given”? 😢. My God🙄

Great interview! Love to both of you.

Michael is up there with Nina Teichholtz as a journalist. Critical to our survival as a society.

So glad to find Zuby! I didn't know he had a podcast. He's a very intelligent person and a pleasure to listen to ❤

Great interview 👊

As one who grew up in one Pacific NW college town & lived in another for 9 years, I suggest that the eco-leftist dread of nuclear stems in part from a mystic, mythic vision of nature & the world, and anything smacking of technology sullies that image.

Love to you, Zuby. ❤️❤️❤️

What a great discussion.

Ok so now I need to add Zuby to my list.....very good

Happy to find your podcast. Now a subscriber.

Zuby asked the questions that popped up in my head. Good interview.

Awesome interview thank you for having him on you should ask him about the WPATH files on another episode

Very good interview

Great interview!!!

"Leftugee" describes our plight perfectly.

Brilliant!

Thank you for this I had no idea

I see how compassionate liberalism plays out in the foster care system. Total nightmare--especially for the kids suffering from the most severe traumas.

Imagine if our elites are mostly undiagnosed misanthropes; in their own minds - loving, kind, empathic, far-sighted...but things just keep going wrong with the policies!! Someone said 2000 years ago, "By their fruits shall ye know them".

Fanbloodytastic video guys ❤

Thanks Michael for everything you did to reveal to the World our ditactorship in Brazil

You know Zuby that in the UK we’re constantly reminded that our GDP places our economy 6th in the world but I heard a stat the other day that puts our GDP per capita way down at 26/28 - we need to understand that GDP per capita is only stat of consequence.

Zuby definitely watch Misery!

In reference to Michael's reference to Misery, another good book, or weird, on the fanascination of caring for people is Choke by Palahniuk.

Women get sucked into the mob mentality.

The situation in San Francisco with the opioid addicted just permitted to carry on, without any interventions definitely seems to me to be a deliberate act and not just incompetence. It's not possible to make such a total destruction of every facet of our society unless that's the desired outcome. It's my opinion, but I don't think that I'm going to be the first to believe this. Regards from the UK

Define intentionality ,facilitating illegal immigration but promoting abortion,how backwards!

Personally, I think the answer to the question of why a particular side would consider embracing the idea of censorship is dead simple. When a particular side gains a monopoly over information and controlling the narrative, THAT'S when they're no longer so excited about free speech, because at that point they wish to protect the stranglehold they have obtained, and free speech then represents a threat to them. So, people like free speech when they are still trying to gain traction with their ideas, but once they're on the top of the hill, so to speak, they will want to shut down other voices that challenges their position at the top of the hill. So, it comes down to basic human nature, which is fundamentally not different based on which side of the political spectrum you're on. Power and control... nobody is immune from this impulse.

I definitely think we are heading toward a revival of Christianity. We are seeing and experiencing what fills the void in its absence, and people are increasingly understanding how valuable its principles are in society.

Religion creates a support structure. You see the same people at church every week. You can talk about you life issues with your pastor. People are missing that in this digital world.

I’ve pushed narcan as a former fire fighter. It’s super sad to see these people man.

Zuby, you must watch Mysery dude, it's a fantastic film.

When was this recorded? No mention of WPATH?

this zuby guy is pretty good

That COVID as religion thing describes my mom

Zuby seems intelligent and educated.

46:46 Stole a pizza. But had been stealing what else and being paroled etc for years or something? Or not even taken to court at all. The pizza just happened to be "the straw"?

Wow, how did you manage to avoid getting the climate change disclaimer tacked on by KZfaq?

I'd like to quote the words of Sponge Bob..."It's opposite day!!"🧸

"I want to believe" is not a new religion, it's the plot of X-Files.

Becoming a millionaire used to mean something

Quibbling over liberal, leftist, progressive whatever is an attempt to hang on to your opinions even though you've watched them fail in real time. They all have the same premise. So they all lead to the same place. You don't get to stop halfway down the tracks. They go where they go.

59:54 if Gen Z are to be remotely 'conservative', if we are to solve this disenfranchisement, then they need to be able to own a home.

“Mental health “ is antidotal,SIN is the problem

Nuclear is clean and I will agree the Generation Xers had it right.

Love it? We are need a good conversation

I would like to hear these guys view on the new media industry complex that feeds on these issues, but have no interest in the solution to a problem as their income comes from the fight over the coverage.

I am glad to see that Michael Shellenberger has been able to make a good living. Unfortunately it's because there is so much utter insanity and inanity in the world. Agreed on the nuclear energy thing. The problem there is human beings. I think nuclear went south in the US in a big way when the multi billion Shoreham plant in Long Island was never approved because of corruption and cutting corners on construction which was exposed on 60 minutes. We got the idea that if people couldn't build a nuclear power plant properly in their own backyard where they and their families lived, it was a hopeless task. That on top of Three Mile Island, Chernobyl and Fukushima all going belly up and the humans responding so poorly to the crises. All that being said, nuclear checks all the boxes as Michael lays out to deal with the problems of fossil fuel energy. But with the problems of the past, people have erroneously completely closed their minds to even the possibility of considering using it. The homeless thing where criminals are coddled as victims. Michael lays out the problem and the easy solution well. It's amazing so many people, particularly those in positions of power, can't seem to wrap their heads around what to do. The religious question obviously has no definitive answer. Altho' we can say a couple of things. It's pretty obvious, if you care to think about it at all, that there is an intelligence to the universe. The thought of it all coming together as it has from utter chaos as by accident is far fetched and altho' agnostics and atheists believe they are the rational ones, the idea that this is all accidental is the irrational point of view. No one has been able to explain consciousness, at all. The Abrahamic religions don't even try to deal with it. Their best stab at it is that the flesh somehow conjures up a soul which somehow embodies consciousness which ends when the soul flies off somewhere after the human body dies. And that no other creatures have a soul, altho's they all have consciousness. Which is a major problem for those religions because consciousness is at the core of what it's all about. The ideas of atheists and agnostics that somehow every living thing whether its an amoeba, a cockroach, a human being, all conjure up consciousness in their little brains the exact same way is, again, the height of irrational thinking. The likelihood is the universe is a conscious entity and that it can be considered it's own, fifth, dimension. That would explain a lot. It's all guesswork obviously but some guesses seem a lot more likely to me than others.

You’re right, Zuby….it is totally backwards.

Interesting that the majority of the philosophical thinking that is highlighted here is what propelled the current condition.

Housing is worse here because you don’t have BlackRock and vanguard and other companies buying a huge amount of homes forcing people to rent in other parts of the world.

But Shellenberger never explains how the dealers themselves are allowed to operate openly. And who else is getting paid to allow it.

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Zuby! Huge fan of everything you do. Im curious, what are your thoughts on the whole ufo phenomenon? Ive never heard you speak on it. Thanks

To add-on about the preist in the tv show 'fleabag' Michael brought up, they made sure to cast a gay man in the role.

The Chinese youth is expressing this malaise, or even hopelessness, by "Lying Flat".

Would it be fair to say that the numbers of people dying from drug overdose in the USA since Feb 2022, outpaces the number of war dead being reported by Ukraine government over the same period?

Progressive comes from the “Progressive Era”. The application changes but the foundation is the same.

If you haven’t yet seen this happen in the UK, simply go down south. Around Devon, places like Plymouth and Weston Super-Mare, and up north places like Birmingham are in absolute shambles.

Depressing

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful". - Seneca the Younger ~”The Left's policies are regarded by the common people as good, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." - Not Seneca the Younger

On the subject of Nuclear Power, I am so confused. I hear many people, whose opinion I otherwise greatly respect, pushing Nuclear Power now. Isn't that just pushing major problems into the future? I thought, and maybe something has changed, that there is no way to dispose of the radioactive waste, and that currently it is buried in tubes ( or something) in the deep sea. How can that be okay? Does it neutralize? And there is the other possible problem: that the power plants might be sitting on earthquake fault lines, and also make great bomb targets for your enemies. I am seriously asking if anyone understands why Nuclear Power has become such a popular idea again.

Schellenberger 2028

The moderator is up there with Maya agelou and Amanda gorman in inability to speak

Well, we have to think about it, nobody ever seems to account for all the people that are not on social media. There are a lot of people who don't use social media or if they do. They comment on KZfaq videos and stop like me. But many busy professionals and families and stuff.Who have a lot going on allow them don't have time to be sitting on social media or we make an appointment not to

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Cloward-Piven

Trans Train out of Sweden is worth a watch.

I’ve been a big Shellenberger fan for while and truly believe he’s genuine and acts in good faith but then it’s lil comment like the culture/political war that’s preventing America from addressing our major issues… and it stuns me a bit… like yeah that’s correct to a degree but it’s not like both sides are equal in their desire to solve it or equal in actually preventing it from being solved 😵‍💫

Subscribed! Looking for more black voices.

If you made entry level and some mid level jobs open to people without 4 year degrees you'd solve most issues within a year. If you have any problem with anything in the country it wouldn't matter much if you could just find a job with a future or growth. Regular people are either given an option of shit work for shit pay or gambling debt for a degree that might not even help. It's a growing catch 22 to have a career at all

I would not expect Shellenberger to come out in favor of a Netherlands style approach. Zuby does a really good job of interviewing, I got some insight into Shellenberger. I think what happened is that the cost of renewables collapsed making his nuclear only position to be pretty unrealistic. And rather then admit his big project was wrong (an admittedly hard thing to do), he pivoted. Regardless I think I understand him more now then I did before this interview.