This is why i keep my old consoles and never get rid of anything

this is why CD games would be a better backup way versus going only digital.

Another issue is that if you get banned for whatever reason. Goodbye to your whole library full of games, dlcs, etc

Anyone is just plain crazy if they think digital is the only future we need. It should never stop being both.

It having a Blue ray HDR player was the final selling point. No drive, nosale

WII had a great method for digital. It tied the game to the unit so no log in needed. Added perk is when you buy a used WII it allowed you to download past purchases made on that console so when I replaced my console the last owner bought all the classic Mario's, etc. too bad those servers are retired. I still play the WII occasionally fine without a connection.

We need a update on consoles we can play games without need to connect in the internet and also dev mode

We need to keep physical game media possible. With the full game on the disc.

Between ps3 going down for 3 weeks, and Xbox down for 7 hrs, you would think that's proof enough that physical versions are still better. Whenever network issues arise, physical is a solution not just for games but movies as well.

Digital only is gonna get even more since Sony announced they're shutting down the physical media factories.

Hey Ray, You do know that if you set your Xbox as your home Xbox that it will let you play digital games from your library if authentication services are down, right? I tested it with Fallout 4 GOTY edition before posting this just to double check myself and it worked fine. I do not own a physical copy, only digital. I disconnected my Xbox from all networks, then started Fallout 4 and continued a saved game. It did warn me that they couldn’t log in, but then asked if I wanted to play offline. I played for a couple of hours and then exited the game. A bit later I logged into my other Xbox and started Fallout 4 and saw I was on an old save, so I exited, went to my other Xbox & reconnected it, launched Fallout 4 and told it to use my Local copy of the save so it would sync back to the cloud. Worked like a champ! During the login outage a couple of days ago I had no issues continuing to play on my ‘Home’ Xbox throughout the outage, and the only weirdness I saw was that I got errors for the ‘Message of the Day’ couldn’t browse the Creation Club content, and couldn’t see the Xbox store to get new stuff. Games played fine besides that. Tried on my non-Home Xbox and nothing would load except disc based games, so I’m pretty sure I wasn’t just lucky :) Just saying because it’s not all doom and gloom like so many people would make it out to be.

The only thing about offline mode with steam is you are screwed if you have not went into offline mode and checked in

We gonna talk abt that fly? 😂😂

Steam also has an offline mode that has seemingly always worked for me. Deck FTW

This is why I've held on to EVERY SINGLE CONSOLE and all of the physical disk copies I've had for most of my life time. I've had my PS2 and all it's games since 2005, I've kept my PS3 and it's games from 2007, my Xbox 360 and all it's games from 2012, my Xbox One from 2014, and I'm gonna make sure to keep my Series X with a disk drive for as long as possible. Whether people want to admit it or not, having physical disks and copies is better than digital. It's MINE and I know it'll stay mine.

I got series X cuz I can play Blu-ray and such on it. Old movies I own. If next xbox can't take disks I am never getting rid of my series x so I still have my movie collection

Jimmy just murdered a fly on stream! Bro.. calm down.

I'm still mad because I lost all my game clips... All those years of memories gone

I think even if you have the disk but you don't have the internet it still has to verify the disc license to the online service. I could be wrong about that.

The biggest crime of selling digital licenses for games, is charging the same exact price as their hard disc counterparts. Every digital license sold is an extortionist kickback to the studio that was spared the cost of printing, packaging, shipping, stocking, and bandwidth, because even the cost of download relies on the consumer. There needs to be a total paradigm shift in the industry by either reducing the cost of digital licenses, or provide the consumer with the digital license when purchasing the disc. Digital simply does not equate to owning the disc that could be potentially resold, or even loaned to a friend. As noted, if the network is down, so is your access to your purchasing library.

Get around the online license check with a physical token that is backed up to the cloud. Every time you download a game the token gets put on the physical key (think ruggedized USB key) make them cheap so you can have a few and encrypted so it's not deadly if you loose the token or it's stolen

Both of you gentlemen make good points regarding gaming. Something to be aware and wary of is the fact that this trend applies to all aspects of life, not just gaming technology. There is a massive push to remove ALL consumer ownership.

You wouldn't have been able to sign in with a physical copy as well right?

Honestly do not recall having this many issues with online gaming on older hardware like Dreamcast or Xbox back in the day. Funny how the technology got way better supposedly, yet the service seems to have gotten worse somehow. This all just makes me go back to all the previous generation of games that i have yet to play. I still have PC games on disc that I can install and not have to even bother with this crap. Just because they're new games doesn't mean they're all fun games worth all this hassle. Many older and fun games still out there waiting to be enjoyed until these companies get it together.

If you make it your home console you can play offline

one of the cods had no data on the disc at all now for a fact the games some dont spin they all just download automatically

if this thing is gonna be there, I'm just gonna scavenge older games disks, fortunately I haven't played many of the best games

I realized this years back when I moved and didn't have Internet for almost a month and couldn't play any digital games. I was furious....

Do anybody not know about going into the settings and going into the network tab and switch from online to offline and you can play all of your single player games and you can sign in.

Digital ONLY is the worst mistake we don’t own it they own Edit: everyone who keeps saying “the game isn’t on the disc” that’s only a few games most of the games still have the games on the disc, the point is if their system goes down, if you account gets band, if anything happens, you still on a hard copy of the game to download on another account or to play still like I DID WHEN THE SYSTEM WHEN DOWN. That’s the point. Yes there are pros to having digital BUT it’s about ownership with out it being taken away

Went thru same thing, lucky had another email associated with the account that wasn't signed in. Signed in with that account and got my games back.

To keep desk alive, add more content with the disk ( exclusive disk only stuff , physical items, etc ) or drop disk early then digital ( idk ) something new

“ why does Xbox even have a preservation team when the servers go down every once in a while”. My good friend that is called a false dichotomy. The servers and gain preservation have little to nothing to do with each other. The two things are not mutually exclusive. Sometimes rants are just that rants - that make no sense at all. But Ray, as an almost 80-year-old gamer, I love your channel. Love, love, love. Also live in Los Angeles. (born in Baltimore - Go Orioles).

This is what I've been warning gamers this whole time but I'm always met with a dismissal attitude. Sigh. See now it has become a reality of how we don't really own the digital games once the online stores shuts down! Also, the fact that you have to authenticate your XBox Series X games and PS5 games by having internet access just to be able to the play a game. That's the kind of future that I don't support. I've always warned others with the DRM stuff and now it's biting everyone where it hurts them!

Hey Ray I put my Xbox in offline mode which let me sign in. Then I switched back and I was able to play.

Ive been on pc for a while now. I forgot discs even existed

Ive been saying all of this about digital media all along but “no digital is great, digital is the future” how do you like them apples now!!!

You're alive because I've been playing my PS5 non-stop without any internet

Wait, this happens even if your Xbox is set to "Home Xbox" with a license for offline mode gaming??

I own a bunch of digital games and I can’t access them without an internet connection so I’m used to this, digital doesn’t bother me as much I have the series s I just wish I had more memory.

There was a way to get around the servers being down. Read it in multiple places.

Those of us who remember the disastrous announcement of Xbox One, remember specifically how they wanted the always online "feature" at launch and the Fandom revolted hard. As anticipated, it looks like all they did was delay and implemented it incrementally. The best way we, as console gamers, can do is BUY THE PHYSICAL COPIES! Also, this is the time to build up that physical library that includes games that aren't backward compatible (ex: Army of Two is available, but the sequels aren't). If you want access to your games, guaranteed without relying on a server, you need physical copies of your games.

Love the show y’all 💯

That's not a digital content issues, it's a connectivity issue. Even most of your hard copy games require Xbox/PlayStation network connection, so if that fails it doesn't matter if you have a hard copy or not

Your PSN problem can be some up to your Internet download and upload speed, my friend had that problem and all he did was get a new Internet provider.

If you go to the settings hit go offline and then try to sign in it would sign you in

Still have my Xbox and ps2 somewhere That I might play if the net goes down

Set up offline mode I did that and it work

Love listening to jazz while y'alls talk❤

The performance differences between XB and PS also make sense if you're familiar with how PC games behave on CPUs/GPUs with varying clock speeds and core/CU counts. XBSX's high compute unit count looks great on paper, but it's harder to make a game that's able spread the workload over so many lanes. A higher clock speed does better when there is a high workload thread causing a bottleneck.

I think the reason why steam handles this issue better than the consoles is due to cloud and cross save. So the system has to occasionally verify and authenticate that the account is the one logging in to receive the cloud save. It also has to verify that the account accessing the content/game has the license since you can make multiple accounts on the console.

The only thing I could say about the digital that is good is not being able to have your games stolen or stepped on by accident but personally digital would be a good way to go if Xbox implemented an offline security key check in an update that runs in the software background that can be installed on a usb drive that you plug in that has all your downloaded license keys

If you set your Xbox to home console it literally gets rid of the issue

This is why I use disc for everything

Even if the disc is just a key to get the game it's STILL better than the alternative and now your seeing why. Companies are HOPING people get too used to digital that they don't mind not actually owning the game or other forms of media. And NO ONE should get to yank the stuff you paid for away from you on a whim. That is why I keep telling people to buy physical media, because nothing can take that disc from your house once you have it.

Mine was down over 6 hours Indianapolis Indiana

No monthly payment on steam too which is a bonus

Most my games are on PS5 disc's & VR & I can play most of them offline cuz I'm not really into online games like that

MS runs virtual machines on the Series X for copy protection reasons. That slows the Box down a little bit. Maybe thats "enough" for the games that are running better on ps5.

I played Halo campaign when there was an outage. I didn't have that problem

I'm shocked they didn't go towards animations.

It lasted from 2pm to 9 pm that's 7 hours

Solution is having a back up game, i bought gta4 and since everything was down i just played that game since it does not need internet at all😊

I could play mine just off line ?

Hey YOOOOO Jimmy hit that fly like ya hit a 360 to open the disk tray😂

Still to this hour minute and second my Xbox 1 still got super lag unplayable for call of duty it’s been like this for 10 days bro plz help

you should look up the Stop killing games movement

I buy digital sometimes, but would never go full in on digital only. This is a reason why.

Do you guys understand that the 360 and even the very First xbox you can just pop a disc in

Wow best one yet Ray!! Very nice. Well planned out video and I usually can't stand Jimbo, but he was outstanding as well!

During the outage I was trying to play NFS Rivals…

there may not be a lot of investors for the microsoft/xbox platform- to dispose of studios and personnel is kneecapping a possibility of revenue in the long term .The deciding course of action would be the investors which there may not be as numerous as before with large chequebooks for the platforms business needs.The business couse of planning may not be a fan favorite move but I think longevity is what microsoft/xbox is doing their best to remain focused within the gaming/software division.

Love when Jimmy and Ray team up.

All your games still work offline you don't need to have an Internet connection to play your games just ones that are online only

Only thing is its cheaper for game devs and studios to make digital only games. It completely removes the cost of mass producing physical copies, which means more profit aka what they all want. This is why they have been experimenting with all these battlepasses and mtx, those will replace the physical items in collection editions.

The only benefit is you don't have to put the actual game disc in and if you have two Xboxes and two PlayStations in different rooms then you can just use it off that on your hard drive. The issue is that they own all the digital copies, since they can shut it down at any time. What if they shut down the Xbox one in the future then all the digital games you have are gone.

even with the current physical disc they dont even contain the copy of the game its basically just a download disc for certain games you even said yourself in the video that some disc are just download disc not play disc

Great to see Ray and Jimmy Together again

Yep i think the real issue is when you gameshare with someone. Xbox gives you a message that tells you if you make your xbox your home xbox you can play offline.

My whole collection is digital, more than 200 games, movies, and more. I have an Xbox one with 3Tb of brain. And now all these changes? I basically cannot get anything new because of the compatibility and sadly can't afford the Xbox series X. 😢

Also, disc's were never made to last longer than a couple of decades, tops. When did the PS1 come out again?

Digital or physical u don’t own them this is why u read terms and conditions but everyone just skips through them 💀

It’s been like this for yrs you can play offline and not be able to use your saved game 👍

They don’t have a team for game preservation Beacuse they don’t add support for older Xbox games anymore

I have games on disc or floppy or cartridge all the way back to my magnavox odyssey. I can still play all those games

Hopefully they'll AT least support am external disc drive

Aren’t we a ways out from sp6 and a newer xbox

PlayStation 2 had a disc swop exploit so that is probably why they check so much

This is why you need to set up your Xbox to play offline. I had 0 issues playing my single player non online games during this time.

The only thing I wanna know is why has call of duty been lagging constantly since the new s4 update

Idk, doesn't x-box have a tendency to shit the bed when it comes to the disk drive or whatever? Currently I can only play digital. I own a bunch of games Ive never gotten to play because they are all on disk.

Does this occur if the console is set as your home Xbox? Laughs in steam lol.

Sadly if you don't have a physical copy of a thing that works offline You don't own it Such as game's movie's

Digital is NOT the way forward thing is what I don’t understand is digital games are expensive through the Xbox store unless on sale the odd game and yet they don’t have to send a physical game out or anything there’s loads of good digital websites available I get some stuff but physical I buy more I’ve more than 150 physical games if it does go all digital then prices should be way cheaper

Just go to the network connection and go offline I can play any game.

You talk about Xbox and you didn´t know that if you make your console your "Home Xbox" you can play totally offline (single player games, obviously). I wasn´t ever aware that servers were off this time because I was busy playing Tales of Destiny on my PSone but,a couple of years ago, I had a problem with my ISP and I spent a whole freaking month without internet. Luckly I had my Xbox set as my Home one and I could play every single player game I had installed without any issues

Why does the all digital version have less storage 🤷🙉

I don't know why they can't have an authenticator built into the operating system. It makes no sense. Another way they could sell physical games: use gaming cards like they used to have with the game on the actual drive. It could use nvme to thunderbolt.

As a modern country boy. Having speed for online gaming is doable. But downloading games, modern games more so, was a true engrained worry. Spyro Reignited was truly the moment I knew... the shift started.

We think that steam should sell the company to a handheld gaming company.