Totally agree. I'm looking at the new Honda CR650F and for me it'll be a keeper. More than enough horse power and overall a pretty good bike.

Isn't this the oldest myth in motorcycling. Bigger is better, or everything under 8-900cc is for beginners. My mates and I all ride 500-750's and have been riding for 7years (25 now started at 18). None of use feel the need for a bigger bike, except for looks or boasting. We all started on mopeds, 125cc or small bikes and have come to an equilibrium between power and practicality. Don't let these fools get in your head. Riding a litre bike only makes sense if you need 100+ bhp. Most of the cars you see riding around are little litre cars up to 1.6. Then you have BMW, Merc and so. And only a small percent drive supercars. Compare small cars to bikes up to 500cc's BMW/Merc to 500-750cc's and everything up Tuned-/super-/hyper cars to 800+. Sorry for the long, boring answer. Greets

F Vl Exactly, who needs a 1000cc bike when you're probably only going to utilize 30-40% of its potential 80% of the time. Its like us Americans and our stupid big car/truck engines and obsession with "bigger = better".. Honestly its kinda dumb and just plain inefficient. But that's just my opinion on it. Maybe I'll feel the need for the excessive someday too. lol

Agree! I had bikes starting with a 500cc and the biggest was a 1600cc. I've been riding for more than 30 years and I've had alot of bikes. I now have an MT07 and I love it! :-)

seriously ? when I got my SV, said "it has more power than any 600cc superbike below 8000rpm" now I got a CBR 600, but I keep the SV, because it's still true, a MT07 destroys it in the mountain roads

Total agree.

I drive a 990 ktm superduke for 5 years now but like i drive all year around i would love to change to 1 of theze. Are you realy sure i would not be let down a bit greets

I tried some adventure and tourers, it’s just my opinion but you really need those 100+ hp from a bike!!! That moment when you’re on Autobahn approaching Aachen to Belgium keeping to Calais and you have that 1000-1200-1300cc and 120-160hp keeping 140km/h and all that comes with a good wind protection, my god you wouldn’t want to be on a 650-700cc bike!!!! 😂😂😂 sorry for my English

@@nickvdk1666 KTM is poor quality.

i would say honda cbr, cbx 500 would be enough.

My first bike is a Honda NTV 650 and I'm switching now to the Tracer 700 but keeping the NTV. Reliable old work horse.

It probably just a marketing thing. In the real world, 50 to 100 HP is actually pretty high and fast. Will go faster than 99% of roads will let you all day ery day.

For real. The only bike that one could argue is a good "first bike" here would be the nc750x. And I'd only say that for a rider that's relatively tall and/or heavy. Like if a 21 year old that was 6'+ and 200+ lbs that wanted a first bike that could pull him along the freeway, I'd try to talk him into something in the 400cc class, but if they insisted on a bigger bike, I'd say a royal enfield 650 or maybe the nc750x. Any of these other bikes are simply too much for someone that doesn't have at least a basic grasp on the principles of motorcycling.

@@sparkythewildcat97 I’m a new rider, doing the direct access, I’m considering a bike in this class, like the Versys 650, or I’m thinking of a Royal Enfield Himalayan. Any thoughts?

I agree!!! 👌👌

My versys has 2 brothers pipe, love d it, pops farts, loud

I think BMW is more balanced

The 500X and the NC750X are totally different, the rev range and how you use it give a completely different ride. NC tops out at 6.5k rpm the 500x is just over 8.5k. Sure they can both do the same job but the NC is a relaxed commuter, it's an acquired taste. The 500x is just like every other bike (power aside), you can't ride the NC like that and if you try you'll fail, if that's what you* want from the NC you* bought the wrong bike. * I use you as a general term, not you specifically Peter :) Ok, I'm probably biased, I have a 700X which suits my commute perfectly - I don't need to be faster than other bikes, just the other traffic :) - I get accused of being used to the 'slow' the 'boring' but I don't think that's the case. I took out the new Africa Twin for a couple of hours yesterday and other than the lovely suspension was completely underwhelmed by it. I'm currently looking for either a 2nd bike for fun or an upgrade to the NC to do both, I hoped the AT would be the solution. It's not. I digress.

I don't know which NC you had, the brakes on mine are perfectly fine, they cope very well indeed and I've *never* *ever* had an issue with them even with spirited riding and can certainly bring the bike from 70 to a stop with little effort on my part. That might be due in part to my 100kg mass, but that mass also removes the seat as uncomfortable too - so it has pluses ;) The original 700 has C-ABS which was removed on the 750s to cut costs - I know some don't like them, I'm fine with C-ABS. I presume your bike was DCT which would account for the lack of engine braking, it's essentially an automatic, so that's what you get. Manual has more than enough engine braking. Perhaps DCT and the lack of engine braking was part of your brakes issue? I never liked DCT myself. I had a loan bike out while mine was being serviced and it changed gear as I was leaning going round a roundabout. Back end kicked out and scared the bejebus out of me. Screen is an issue for me, I have the touring screen fitted, depending on the wind direction it can be noisy but it's primarily for protection when winter riding.

you actually make me worry. NC was one of my favourite bike for upgrading in the future and now i change my decision. it is good the read people reviews. Cheers

Amin matin If you allow me to add my opinion.... I do ride the NC700S, manual version, since 2013 and in my opinion it's one of the most versatile and user friendly bikes ever built by Honda ! I am now heading towards 60000 km and have had zero problems with the bike ! Of course it's not a racer but in terms of reliability, fuel efficiency and with that storage compartment it's my everyday companion that I don't want to miss anymore. Maintenance is also super easy and can be handled by anyone who had some motorcycle experience before. To comment on the lack of power, well my 'dream bike' would be a NC1000S, same size bike with the motor of the new Africa Twin ..... Just saying..... Safe rides !!!

Hi Andree, many thanks for sharing your opinion. I love to ask people question. I do agree with you on reliability of Honda compare to all other brans. I am getting into a situation where I have to choose sell car or motorbike?

True, not only adventuring, but daily commute. As someone who drives a Silverado with 18 MPG. MPG on a motorcycle is my most important priority. My SV650 gets 51 MPG.

John Roe Them the Honda wins all the way. Reliable, quality, economic

These bikes all are considered commuter bikes... MPG is very important for commuters... it has to be cheaper than Public Transport.

@@pawelnieczuja-ostrowski1029 There's no such thing as a "commuter bike", it's a marketing term. I know loads of people who commute on bikes and they ALL use nakeds.

Love my Versys too!

fair point about night riding

It's the fastest growing market segment.

Can you compare it with the nc750x dct,

Yeah not much mention of freeway manners. Don't mind hearing about handling (we will be doing that too) but what about the place these bikes are built to live, the open road? Also, aren't these hinting at being able to survive an unpaved road at least? No, not jumping around and popping over logs like a dirt-bike, but how are they on gravel eh? This would be nice to know. This bothers me too. If one were to want, say, a review on the standard honda 750x; Too bad, it's almost impossible to find a decent one. Seems 'most every review features a DCT equipped bike and the journos spend 70%+ of the time on the transmission.

I think Honda is pushing DCT and they want the reviewers to use that version...my 2 cents..

@@robertwilson325 Fair point. There is little doubt of that. But if the only thing we ever learn about the 750x is how DCT works; the marketers are screwing up IMHO. They should be giving out the standard bike at least 25% of the time, so those of us with no interest in DCT can see an occasional review.

I enjoyed what one reviewer said about the Honda... 'It's a bit too bland'. And it is. I took one for a demo ride, left the parking lot and I was ready to turn around and get off it. It's horribly boring. And the engine sounds like a sewing machine. All that's missing on the Honda is the training wheels.

These guys just need a track day XD. hehehhe. For us normal folk a 700 CC bike is not a beginner bike. And 7k is not a budget Bike. But whatevs.

they should've went SUZUKI VSTROM, WAYYYY better bike than either of these.

@@mrerm8315 Have to agree. The V-Strom's engine is flawless. The Versys has a paint mixer for an engine.

Versys BEST moto of All 5!!!

Suzuki and bmw sucks

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Ride a Versys. The suspension is just too good and you can adjust it to your liking. I rode both back to back on mountain roads and while I indeed prefer the engine of the Tracer the suspension of the Versys was so much better it won my personal comparison by a lot.

Cheaper to upgrade the suspension on a bike with a great engine, then to upgrade the engine on a bike with great suspension.

That is definitely disputed..

The MPG in the test is suspicious (50, the lowest).

3 of the 5 reviewers in the vid would dispute your claim, Maruti.

They tend to mumble all the time. Very hard to understand for non-native eng speaker

I couldn't believe the guy 2nd from right: Too fast, too mumbly, and sinking to a whisper at the end of sentences. Does he not WANT anyone to understand what he's saying??? The guy on the far right isn't much better, with his fast, mumbly speech. I'm Scottish, but have been watching English TV programmes all my life, so find English accents easy to understand, but these two guys: For crying out loud get them some elocution lessons!

Zoharargov I think it's a british thing. I notice it more with U.K. people.

I also had a really hard time understanding these guys. And Im a very good English speaker though Im portuguese!

I'm English and live in York and that's my back yard they're riding in. I think they showed the NY Moors as well as they spoke. Then again, I have DL650 with 35k on the clock and don't want any of the others featured. Its reliable, economical, torque when you need it, super simple to ride if you're over 5'10" and does everything. My other bikes a CBR954RR and they are totally different.

If the Tracer is just half as fun to ride as the MT 07, then go for the Tracer. The engine is a peach. :-)

I have ridden a FZ/MT07, and the engine is sweet. Great rumble after new exhaust, enough torque to throw you off, just a great engine. Plus with the money saved, $600 or so can be put into improving the suspension. Mush easier to upgrade the suspension than the engine. Again, i fell in love with that engine, liked it better than my 600Fazer.

Hope you waited to test drive a 17' v-strom

What did you decide on in the end?

@@Drakelett A 1290 Super Duke R 🤣😂

@@paulocarreiro5855 😂😂

Back then that was the Vstrom of the time. I agree that the new one looks so much better (that's my only downside to the Suzuki and the generation they tested was by far the ugliest looking one, even the 2005 gen one is much better looking than that!)

This needs subtitles. Sorry, but I don't know what You guys mumbling about for half of a time...

It's meant to get over 80mpgs

how many mpg do you get? i found a website that claims they get 80 mpg.

Exactly what I was thinking! Spot on.

Quality video is 44teeth. This is just noisy music, a few flybys, and mumbling men.

I"ve owned a Versys and currently own a V-Strom. Neither of those bikes get hot for the rider. Love my Strom. Had a CB500X, too. Good little bike, but the Strom feels like a Cadillac compared to that CB500X.

2017 Both Versys 650 and 1000 got gear indicators. I'm sure he's breathing easy now.

I completely agree with you, but you have to ask yourself why Kawasaki decided not to give you a gear indicator. I mean, it costs them zero money, you may not need it 99% of the time but once or twice you might like to have it and above all, it doesn't hurt anybody to have it. Having a gear indicator is just a plus, it has no side effects, so why not?

all that is needed is neutral indicator.

I shake my head every time some "expert" laments that a bike lacks a gear indicator.

Great shout but it wasn’t around when we recorded this video.

Exactly this. the tracer is the only bike that's not specifically marketed as having off road capabilities AFAIK. Why would they not talk about dirt prowess and how is this not an adventure bike roundup? None of this makes any sense.

I find a level of smugness associated with bennetts presentations.

@@seanadamson280 Agreed, not a great look. I may have a tiny channel compared to there's but if I ever act like this feel free to abuse me at length!

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@@seanadamson280 you're a star, thanks Sean. Keep me honest eh? ;)

Whereabouts Robert?

on my mac powerbook @@bennettsbikesocial

That is why they are called mid-weight Sports Tourers.

Because not having an gear indicator or a fuel gage is sooo much better... who doesn't like running out of fuel or being in the wrong gear for a second? EVERYONE LOVES IT! kzfaq.info?search_query=out+of+fuel+bikes

FlyBaby we prefer the view that it explains the good and bad of each machine, and allows people to make an educated decision on what’s right for them. Everybody likes different things, so what you might consider ‘the winner’ won’t be for someone else.

Nope