Frosted Mini Wheats

The Vertical diet is a step in the right direction in both regards.

3 percent bodyfat and your head should barely poke out from in between your traps and chest.

After training for 23 years, up and down in strength and weight, I've come to realize that training is the fun part...diet will ALWAYS be the hard part. It sounds fun eating all day...and it is fun if you're eating junk food, but that gets you no where...until you eat a disciplined clean diet day in and day out for YEARS. The worst is when you're eating more than ever, and there could be months the scale doesn't move. That's maddening.

2 or 4x what?

@@thallusa123 max gains and likely time frame as well

@MrLive2die i don't think that what you're saying has been shown to be true. Usually they say about 15% increase in strength and as for as muscle mass it is a bit more but you must realize 2-4x more than natty is a bit ridiculous. You need gear to be competitive at the top level but you need the basics from hard work even more.

@@thallusa123 He might be saying that instead of gaining around 30 lbs muscle as a natty you can gain around 50lbs on gear. - Then genetics comes into question and can make you gain more or less muscle on top of that. - I would prefer to have a hard working coach for personal training than genetics or blasting gear. Hard work is important, knowing how to diet helps your clients:

Maybe stop thinking about him as a roidhead and realize that he has a Ph D in exercise science and actually knows what he is talking about

@@str1ker_eurekaexactly

Prob bigger than you’ll ever get with roids

You don't understand he's literally a professor who has submitted dozens of peer-reviewed research papers right? Just because he's on steroids does not mean that he's uneducated.

Where’s your PHD in this shit?