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@AlexanderBromleyАй бұрын
Lift with confidence. Learn more at www.BaseStrength.com Get BRMLY merch at www.barbellapparel.com/bromley
@slee2695Ай бұрын
Why does a potato physique who's not even natyy give bodybuilding advice? Stick to your lane
@barryadcock7332Ай бұрын
Louie Simmons " everything works but nothing works for ever "
@MattFlyFisherАй бұрын
🎯💯
@cirebackwards1Ай бұрын
Richard Simmons "Number one, like yourself. Number two, you have to eat healthy. And number three, you've got to squeeze your buns. That's my formula."
@laughingtothebanklikehahah3618Ай бұрын
Really depends on who you’re talking to. The novice dudes that they deliberately target don’t need to hear none of that BS lol. They just need to eat, sleep, lift. Even Louie doesn’t recommend conjugate to the average gym bro.
@zbronstein3901Ай бұрын
@@laughingtothebanklikehahah3618I don’t think anyone recommends Conjugate for beginners. It’s designed for strength athletes that are advanced to the point a weight progression like beginners use will cause more fatigue than recoverable, or worse, injury.
@karol_0417 күн бұрын
@@zbronstein3901 beginners can benefit greatly from conjugate and it is actually a training system Alex Leonidas recommends for beginners however the caveat is you need a very experienced coach to guide you step by step
@felipecciАй бұрын
The thing is: fitness, for the general public, is pretty easy to explain and understand. Overcomplicating things is just a business model nowadays.
@joloshawnАй бұрын
its a hobby
@tempacct5812Ай бұрын
💯 if it’s not complicated no need for a middle man
@yoeyyoey8937Ай бұрын
@@joloshawnit’s a job
@michelrood2966Ай бұрын
Fitness is g@y. Bodybuilding is where its at
@CankleCankleАй бұрын
Is easy as long as you are will do hard work. People are looking for the most bang for the least effort.
@JstBringItАй бұрын
I started watching RP about 10 months ago and they taught me the basics. Hit the muscle twice a week for more growth Eat your protein Control the weight(2 second eccentric) Full range of motion Keeping fatigue in check Im 33 and I’m becoming the biggest I’ve ever been and have no injuries or joint pain. Improved flexibility etc I can understand the other smaller science channels making the “science” seem more important than it is but RP Strength is probably the best channel I’ve found and it’s changed my life for the better.
@TB43442Ай бұрын
I think that’s what’s missing in this whole conversation and what I think Mike does very well that is taken for granted. He is great at explaining that a lot of his methods are for advanced (7-8+ years of training) people who really wanna squeeze out any bit of size/strength they can. He has parts of videos specifically explaining how a beginner might benefit and how an advanced lifter might not or vice versa, and for the most part his advice to anyone not advanced is to just get really good at the fundamentals. If you go and watch his beginner videos, most of the science-based lifting goes away and it’s just the basics. I think that’s the missed part here, that he’s conflating science based with ‘optimize everything over the basics’, like no dude at some point those advanced lifters are gonna get diminishing returns on the basics and need a little more scientific juice in the workouts. Thats what Mike is for
@sammeskАй бұрын
Agreed, Dr Mike's messaging for beginners is remarkably consistent with everything Alexander says. The Barbell basics and some accessories don't ego lift, to much.. but ego lift a little. Ride that till you can't anymore
@qwerty-rh6ht27 күн бұрын
cool, just don't follow Mike's technique, it's horrible
@mattb4251Ай бұрын
Old man yells at algorithm.
@TheRealJackMahofferАй бұрын
😂
@dmytrotkachov6859Ай бұрын
he is not old, dude
@hayesdelezene4590Ай бұрын
@@dmytrotkachov6859he has the spiritual qualification for elderly man yelling at the lawn-going exercise scientists status
@yoeyyoey8937Ай бұрын
Young man makes trite post on internet
@hayesdelezene4590Ай бұрын
@@yoeyyoey8937 old codger yells at lawn-going exercise scientists
@MalefiicusSTRАй бұрын
I'm strongly of the belief that the background is green screened. I don't know why that's what matters to me, not that it matters, at all.
@Runner-BoyАй бұрын
It is its just a pic of his gym
@MalefiicusSTRАй бұрын
@@Runner-Boy Ahh, the sweet, sweet satisfaction of being right about something stupid and pointless. Thank you for your confirmation!
@senorgeeseАй бұрын
@@MalefiicusSTR he lives in texas so it's likely too hot for him to actually record from it right now
@overratedfool6900Ай бұрын
@@MalefiicusSTR I wouldn't all you right at all lol. It's very obviously a screen and your uncertainty of that clear fact makes you wrong. It'd be like saying you're strongly of the belief that evolution is a real thing. You're just an idiot for not knowing for sure that it is.
@3komma141592653Ай бұрын
I mean it is obvious "green screened" but it's his gym / garage or what ever you call it.
@_d0serАй бұрын
The comments will definitely be well thought out, charitable, and definitely won't be made before people even watch the video.
@ghfjfghjasdfasdfАй бұрын
Aaaaaaand the election will go down without a hitch…
@elmers2005Ай бұрын
Zach Telander just posted a video about how countries with elite weightlifters are selected from an early age on genetic factors and natural abilities in lifting. Your average gym goers try to replicate those lifters programs and %s that work for these elite athletes ie bulgarian, smolov, ect and while that doesnt make the programs bad, folks arent really understanding why they are good. Clarence0 just posted a video about his method about building his squat, and cj and snatch. The reality is he was getting under a bar for a back squat 3 times a week. If you get under a barbell a few times a week, you are going to get better.
@LoProАй бұрын
Bugenhagen is a great refresher amidst the science trend. Sometimes you just need a bro yelling at his TV with his daughter's toys in the background while he goes on a 20 minute tangent about his dog's V taper to remember that sometimes, you just gotta lift heavy things.
@legrandfromage9682Ай бұрын
TATER TOT, MY GOD!
@AMG-ko3gtАй бұрын
"sometimes, you just gotta lift heavy things" Me: *Lowers the Barbell OHP rep-range to 5-6* Less machines, MORE BARBELLS!
@LoProАй бұрын
@@AMG-ko3gt IT'S THE MINDSET! IF MY GYM HAS BIGGER DUMBBELLS, I'M LIFTING THE BIGGER DUMBBELLS!
@gibbsmАй бұрын
He brings balance back to all this tediousness.
@gibbsmАй бұрын
38 min Stick vid is just commentary on half the first exercise, and only makes it 1:48 in. I love when he blows his stack. Have you seen his live streams when "Momma's" phone keeps connecting to the BT speaker while he's trying to PR. It's so fucking funny.
@VasardoPTАй бұрын
In my opinion, Mike Israetel is on the money most of the time, however this new wave of Milo Wolf, Pac, etc. are hyperfocused on the small science things, and never really talk about the big things. Every single Milo Wolf video is exactly the same speech, only swapping "arms" for "quads". Let's say, If you were to hypothetically watch every single video from RP, especially the (Hypertrophy Simplified series) you would have a pretty good idea of what to do with your training and diet. On the other hand, if you were to watch every single Wolf Coaching video, all you'd know about is to cut the last third of the ROM for 5% more growth!
@andrewmueller9986Ай бұрын
Mike has definitely off the money on several things
@legrandfromage9682Ай бұрын
Pak is pretty cool tbh doesn’t take himself too seriously
@VasardoPTАй бұрын
@@legrandfromage9682 I like the guy's personality as well, but that's not the point! We're discussing their impact on training
@SilverSlugs16Ай бұрын
@@andrewmueller9986which is why he said ‘most’ not ‘every’
@krysburke3092Ай бұрын
@@andrewmueller9986such as?
@krysburke3092Ай бұрын
Train close to failure, titrate volume and intensity, work each muscle 2-4x a week, auto regulate rep schemes as needed for stimulus / over use, swap out stale movements as needed, deload as needed… This is basically what Mike says in every foundational video.
@danpolta875927 күн бұрын
Right. Those are all things that we agree on specifically because we studied those things.
@_DIDDLYHOLE_Ай бұрын
A lot of these guys get on a roll teaching good info.. And then it runs out. Things don't change much. There isn't usually a crazy discovery which will objectively change everyone's experience. It's almost always a personal journey. After a while they have to keep making new videos to stay relevant. I enjoy hearing both perspectives from educated and experienced people such as yourself and Dr. Mike. Always enjoy your videos 👍
@SSSauceyBunsАй бұрын
Fitness social media content is a lot like financial social media content. The basics cover 80% of what you need to be doing, everything else is trial and error. Unfortunately, that means content creators have to start getting creative after covering the basics.
@unbabunga229Ай бұрын
All the biggest guys or guys with best bodies, all say ‘what I’ve found works for me’ and then say something quite unique (but based on the basics and fundamentals we all know). Same with me tbh, the more I’ve gone back to the old tried and true, tailored to what works for me, gave me all my best gains, best diets, best bulks etc
@emze56325 күн бұрын
that is true for almost everything in every field, crazy discoveries are so rare that when they do happen we give out prizes
@tkshillinz9334Ай бұрын
I watch a lot of your stuff, and I generally think you’re one of the more thoughtful fitness folks on this platform, but I’ll be honest, I’m not sure I understand the thread of this video. Or the others in this vein. I feel like the crux of your point is, “the science is uncertain, I’m not anti science, but I think people who use the science based moniker are misleading people on how specific, actionable, or certain the research is.” And I’m just not sure that’s a premise that’s worth rallying around? I have no evidence for or against the idea that the science based content side of the lifting world is doing more harm than good, or doing harm at all. As someone who’s been watching content in the space for awhile, and seen the spectrum of “fitness” out there, the Jeff Nippards of the world seem unimaginably better than the folks who are equally, if not more confidently telling people complete fabrications. I don’t know why Jeff’s credentials were mentioned as he hasn’t positioned himself as knowing more than experts, frequently interviews experts, corroborates his findings with them, and I feel like you yourself have also done some bit of research interpretation. A degree is not a requirement to conduct one’s own analysis (but I acknowledge that doing good, sound analysis requires some degree of rigor) I’m neither here nor there on Dr. Mike’s humour or delivery, but him, Nippard, Pak all seem to speak pretty carefully when it comes to the fitness, and frequently don’t use terminology that says you MUST do anything. There’s no fearmongering. There’s very little dogma. “Here’s a paper, here’s what it could mean, here’s what I do, here’s what you could do.” In general, the science based people are so much less intense than everyone else. A lot of the reaction to this intense science-ranter super nerd feels like someone that I’ve never met and never seen on this platform. There seems to be a running thread that either the big channels in the science based space are making things harder for the average lifter OR are misrepresenting the certainty of studies and there just seems to be no real evidence for that either way except a handful of anecdotes or “vibes”. At worst, they’re not worse than dudes who talk about “pencil necks” and they’re way better than the average instagram post which is still horrifically filled with complete nonsense. I’m just really failing to see what these guys are doing so wrong that it prompts these responses. As the beginner/intermediate lifter looking to make gains and the prime consumer for all of this, I just have not experienced what you’re describing in terms of misdirection. These channels have been incredibly helpful, like yours, in reducing my time wasted in the gym. So maybe it’s anecdote for me too but I’m just a comment and not a KZfaq video. That’s my two cents.
@Inzane8Ай бұрын
Thanks for writing this up. 100% agree. Mike seems to be very careful about how he speaks about studies, and never speaks in absolutes like “must do”, “always”, and “never”. He always talks about how context is king. I feel like Brom said alot of vague stuff more about how he feels about science based lifters rather than giving examples of what he doesn’t agree with. What specific advice does Brom not agree with? Why does he disagree? After watching this video, I still don’t know. Brom seems to mention a lot that he doesn’t like when science based lifters say you MUST do exercises with xyz technique. But every science based dr Mike video I’ve seen goes into detail about the context and how one way could possibly be good for some people and bad for others.
@andrewmueller9986Ай бұрын
Are you serious? Jeff Nippard is hyperfocused on form. He also discusses as many as 26 different exercises per muscle group. That def harms some guys. He inundates viewers with unnecessary info and hardly talks about intensity or mindset at all.
@Inzane8Ай бұрын
@@andrewmueller9986 as far as I know, Jeff has advocated for on average 10-20 sets per muscle group per week. If you’re referring to the 52 sets thing, he has never recommended you go that high. After your comment I went and watched his take and all he said is that you COULD try a specialization phase for stubborn body parts by lowering volume for everything else and raising volume for that muscle group by 50% (in his example). Then he says to try it and see how it goes. Because he knows the advice isn’t universal and there’s a lot of room for individualization and genetics here. Is that what you’re talking about?
@AlgernonBrosplitzАй бұрын
@@andrewmueller9986 and he does tier lists where he shites on tried and true great exercises whilst promoting clown exercises. I'm so glad I started lifting before I saw my first Nipps video, otherwise I might be doing one knee elevated half bent over reach around rear delt reversed cable flyes for back gainz
@tkshillinz9334Ай бұрын
@@andrewmueller9986 if you feel like that's your experience, I can't change that (and I'm not trying to) I do think Jeff talks a lot about form, along with the stretch position, because he feels like that's low hanging fruit for a lot of people to improve, along with just a ton of misinformation from years of varying statements from all over the lifting space. But his language is almost always "try this", or "the literature seems to support". He clearly believes in what he says, but it feels like his actual language is reasonable. "Here's a bunch of exercises and why I think they're good." Jeff has said often enough that "you should check if you're really putting in enough effort", "you should check mind muscle connection", "you should be progressively overloading and pushing yourself". Or at least, I've noticed those statements often. Maybe others don't. Will some people hyperfixate on form? For sure. But I'm just not sold on the idea that how many and how frequently those individuals do so is exacerbated by the tone and language of some of the content creators cited in this video. Especially as compared to Every Other Fitness Creator who focuses on intensity, or mindset. I have seen folks take "muscle confusion" way too intensely, overload on volume, overload on mass, overload on calories. Like, the personality type that takes this stuff too far is gonna take it too far and science-based has not shown to be unique in triggering that. I say that as someone who's had to ignore rando advice from dudes in the gym for YEARS who were obsessed with some specific thing they were sure worked for No Reason. Again, I'm not saying that someone cant confuse themselves over this science-based content, just that a lot of the time, TO ME, the science-based people are the ones Not speaking in absolutes, and willing to accept new input, update their stances, and speak to nuance. You may think they put too much emphasis on a specific aspect of lifting, but no one's convinced me that they're more Reckless. So I'm unsure Why the desire to critique this subset of the content creation community is so strong in some individuals, because I have yet to see any Actual evidence that they're doing any More harm than anyone else. A large majority of folks who regular consumes Mike's fitness stuff seem to agree that he does provide nuance and after explaining the literature attempts to distill to simple tips and best practices, and that's much better evidence to me than the opinion of a single creator. Making a video to say that Jeff, Mike and the others present the science as being total, absolute, and encouraging folks to needle over details feels reductionist at best, and a misrepresentation at worse. It's just kinda, not giving them the grace I give to lots of creators, Bromley included, for the sake of taking up a contrarian stance. Or should I pummel him for every video title he makes that says, "X thing will explode your back", "double your gains with old school", 40 minute deep dives on squat variations and the like. I just remain unconvinced on the need for this type of content specifically, and hopefully where I'm coming from makes a little sense.
@justincain2702Ай бұрын
I really didn't think it was that complicated. I found Mike's channel and watched his hypertrophy/strength made simple guides and he lays out most of the basic shit. Hypertrophy = lift close to failure, reps between 5-30 for most sets, compound basics for efficiency Strength = more focus on technique on specific compound lifts, heavy sets (singles, doubles, triples), etc. Eat in calorie surplus with enough protein. You are there. I kind of just assumed most of the content was primarily for entertainment. I might try some of the stuff he reccomends and see if it works for me, but I never took him as saying these tiny details are super important. Idk, I guess I can see how if someone just comes in and starts watching random videos without any critical thought they might mistake lengthened partials as the most important thing you can do in the gym. Still, I feel like RP reiterates pretty often that the basics are what matters. I'd much rather the general population get their information from RP than from 90% of fitness channels.
@AnUnknownPlayer.Ай бұрын
30 reps is not Hypertrophy thats endurance and nothing more. Thats a waste of 25 reps for nothing 😂
@DasmanfredАй бұрын
based
@LarryReynolds591Ай бұрын
Yes, this exactly.
@user-db6tx1hs5oАй бұрын
Agreed but if you look through the comments of any “science based” channel, you’ll see legions of science based zealots who seem to miss this part. Guys who obsess over small details, approaching exercise as if it’s a sterile, theoretical and exact science rather than a crude, empirical and individual experience. The irony of it is, these people are chasing perfection when most, if not all, haven’t even achieved the mediocre. The sensationalist content, generated off the backbone of mediocre “science” is at fault for this, at least in part. Although you could argue, before lengthened partials and the obsession with “optimal” training, it was 6 minute abs and athelean x nonsense, so it will exist regardless because the appetite is always there and people always want the shortcut and the special secret ingredient. But I haven’t watched the video yet so i might be missing the point lol
@OMAR-vk9piАй бұрын
@@AnUnknownPlayer.false
@jakzimny6752Ай бұрын
Man I miss John Meadows. The guy genuinely cared about people and wanted to help. Combined science and experience. One of the few yt channels that was actually reasonable. Why can't people just appreciate studying the details while also being reasonable and practical. A lot of these science guys just come off as arrogant. "I have a phd therefore I know everything and this is best". I dont even know if it's financial incentive behind a lot of this. I think it might equally be just their ego. Having different opinions is great and absolutely necessary but we also just need more reasonable people in the industry rather than having to pick a side and that's the end of the conversation.
@dakhoaАй бұрын
The same can be said from the bros as well. „so and so did this 20 years ago why would we need a study about that“. Proving why something works is important as well. Science is not the problem. The application and the abuse of it‘s name on YT is.
@SamuelTitus-cz3fuАй бұрын
I agree, John Meadows wasn't trying to become rich off a new system of trainings or an app. He just loved the topic. He did make money off his videos but it was little and it didn't corrupt his take on things. Mike on the other hand is obsessed with perpetuating his RIR system a long with the app. But his system is hogwash, how can you even know how many reps you have I reserve ona given day without going to failure on the first set and reducing the reps by 3 on the next set per example to achieve a 2rir etc.. it's a system made to warrant his app that he pushes...
@Axt3rАй бұрын
@@SamuelTitus-cz3fuif you can't approximate with a pretty solid certainty how many reps you could've gotten after stopping, then I'd completely question your lifting experience
@SamuelTitus-cz3fuАй бұрын
@@Axt3r If you aren't able to realize the logic of my argument then I'd question not only your lifting experience but also your intelligence
@Axt3rАй бұрын
@@SamuelTitus-cz3fu I can see your argument, and see that it relies on assuming that reps in tank is impossible to gauge on different days, which isn't true. So any conclusion relying on that premise may be wrong
@rickswordfire4774Ай бұрын
Sticky Ricky was right all along
@MattFlyFisherАй бұрын
🐎🐓
@str1ker_eurekaАй бұрын
Always has been
@sloppyjoebreadbowl5184Ай бұрын
Damn, that means I have to start drinking a gallon of milk every day now. Pray for my toilet yall
@slee2695Ай бұрын
Yeah that's why he jumped on roids
@dmitripisartchik1296Ай бұрын
The Greeks figured it out 2000 years ago. Here's how you optimize at the margins: stop reading/scrolling and lift/eat/rest.
@LCDRformatАй бұрын
You're completely right but why should I care if someone else likes a more scientific, wordy version of that. Why should I give a fuck
@joeyhitchcock5550Ай бұрын
This just simply isn’t true. If you’re using the story of Milo as you’re reasoning then you are showing your relative lack of knowledge of the subject matter. At most that’s the basis for progressive overload. The Greeks didn’t understand force outputs, they didn’t understand what the body goes thru in maximal velocity sprinting, they had no real idea about physiology compared to today’s knowledge of it. I could go on. That’s just a stupid statement
@realization891925 күн бұрын
That's like saying "Just get good" in a video game. Everybody knows this shit, this is the most basic of basic information that really doesn't help anyone. How many times a week do I lift? What form? What do I lift? Do I have to care about form or does form not matter? How do I avoid injury? How many different lifts should I do? How many reps should I do? How close to failure should I go? How heavy should I lift? I got injured and can't lift, what do I do? What do I eat? How much do I eat? How much of everything do I eat? Is junk food okay? When do I eat? How many meals? How do I rest? Do I do cold baths or saunas, or neither? How many hours do I sleep, or does that not matter? How do I know if I need to improve my rest? Can I do cardio to rest? In fact, what counts as rest? How long do I rest after each session? Does this change session by session? Why the hell do I have to stop reading in order to lift, eat and rest? How the hell is reading not resting??? I can't say you even gave any remotely good advice at all, much less advice on how to optimize at the margins. This is an insanely braindead comment and I'm wondering if the 53 likes were botted.
@oceancaldera207Ай бұрын
What I'm hearing here is "science isn't good enough so why bother." The problem with this is that you're not seeing how without this stuff, sham influencers would be the only voice on KZfaq so it's better to hear what limited value some studies may have because at least there's some methodology there. Have you seen some of the exercise advice that Men's Health or other trash mags give? And most people who don't know better can and do take that stuff seriously and waste years or even risk injury for nothing. But let's rant about Israetel who basically sounds totally reasonable, does not jump to conclusions, and adds appropriate caveats to conclusions reached by the studies he presents. And I take this stuff personally because the information presented on channels like that has dropped my injury rate substantially and simultaneously improved response significantly..and I've been lifting almost 25 years.
@baygeorgen593829 күн бұрын
He’s not saying why bother, he’s taking issue with how “science based” influencers package, market, and sell content under the guise of science and disingenuous way.
@ethidian344421 күн бұрын
Some recent science are huge breakthroughs for all levels of lifters. E.g. seated hamstring curls getting 50% more gains compared to belly hamstring curls is profoundly compelling
@imnodogАй бұрын
Something Steve from massive iron said once really stuck with me, that it doesn't matter if your program is crap, as long as it has some of the big movements and you give it your all, you will have great results. Intensity is really all that matters, the number of reps/sets, variation of a movement and/or amplitude applied really doesn't matter that much as long as your intensity is high and you're progressing. People are really out there looking for the perfect program, perfect exercises to do, perfect rep/set schemes when 99% of us are just regular non-athletes just trying to be stronger/looking better than the average human who do absolutely nothing but eating crappy foods and sitting on the couch most of the time.
@MeanBeanComedyАй бұрын
I don't know about _great_ results. Maybe _good_ results.
@taylorhillard4868Ай бұрын
I think its where the bar is.....because no. The goal is not to look better than the average slob. The goal is to look as good as the jacked guys/fitness models et cetera. And for that you NEED optimization. Because frankly most people don't have the genetics to even get close to that without gear. No one cares if you just look not fat with a scrawny Bruce-Lee type physique. That's not enough. So if your t Standards are really low, then yeah you don't need to think about much at all. But if you need to get something out of it, you need to be smart about it unless you're just incredibly gifted.
@imnodogАй бұрын
@@taylorhillard4868 what Steve meant is that you have to give it your all, even if your program is crap. But he himself will also have better options for programs (though not based on science and based on years of coaching). For me personally I made my program myself ever since the lockdown ended, I've been getting pointers from the KZfaq fitness community here and there but my program is my program, it is not copied from anyone out there and it is very different from most programs. I've been in a way perfecting it to my needs for the past few years and it's still evolving, and I'm being honest when I say that my physique is better than 95% of the people in my gym, and the other 5% also do different programs than each other (and obviously some are on gear).
@imnodogАй бұрын
@@taylorhillard4868 the point he was making was that even if your program is "bad", you would still make progress, but sure, he himself has programs that would work better in his opinion given the numbers of years he's been coaching and seeing what works and what works "better". For me, I've made my program a few years ago, it went from a full body to a push/pull/legs kinda today, but my program is my program, it is different than other programs as I've been perfecting it to my needs. My physique is better than 95% of the people in my gym (though I have a hunch that I'm stronger than most, if not all) and the other 5% have different programs than each other, and some are also on gear. My point is that I do take pointers from the youtube fitness community, even Dr. Mike sometimes (I really liked the side delts exercises he did with the bar only, which I've kept for one of my shoulder days), but mostly I just do what seems to work for me and keep all that science stuff out, I keep the basics and try to progress overtime and it seems to be working great.
@JivecattheMagnificentАй бұрын
Yeah, exactly the same thing stuck with me. Consistency is key. Go hard and don't keep program hopping.
@jamespurchase4035Ай бұрын
Personally, my strength program was laid out by a visit to a medium! The 'spirits' told me to progressively overload.
@espenstoroАй бұрын
Along with essential oils, strength focusing crystals and homeopathic steroids.
@w13909Ай бұрын
14:25 my boy Bromley just A-posed for a sec there
@emilisvaitkus8768Ай бұрын
Gmod npc 😂
@JohnDoe-fs1fcАй бұрын
Ouch. That was a pretty harsh video. I hear dr Mike and crew always refer to "heavy compound basics" all the times. Sometimes they overdue the stretch and/or full rom stuff. But in general they say train hard, eat right and lift with the basics. That's also what their training videos show.
@chrisadams2808Ай бұрын
It’s not harsh at all. Part of them needing to stay relevant is to over complicate things. Most beginners would be better off never watching a single video of theirs.
@weallwould7246Ай бұрын
I think the biggest problem in research is there’s zero incentive for elite athletes to participate in these studies. Why would someone working towards their next meet disregard their time tested program to do partial rep curls for a possible couple percent larger bicep? So the only participants are beginners who’ll make big gains no matter what.
@jahimuddin2306Ай бұрын
I do not have a problem with science based lifting, but I do have a problem with science based lifting fanboys. Over the past two or three months, I have noticed them going to strongman, powerlifting, Olympic lifting, and athletic training channels with their shit. They talk shit about all of the movements these channels showcase because “not optimal for hypertrophy”. All of those lifters are far more muscular than any science based fanboy will ever be because they pick heavy shit up and put it down repeatedly.
@cenaugeАй бұрын
I blame the Cult of Optimal. Optimal means jack and shit if you're not already getting to the 90-95% mark.
@AlexanderBromleyАй бұрын
Completely. The "icing on top" implies the other shit is maxed out... which it just never is.
@terminator234828 күн бұрын
Mike suffers deeply from cognitive dissonance! Holy s***! He makes it seem as if every little detail makes a tremendous difference but now basically criticises himself.
@xnexgax2477Ай бұрын
What I learned from RP was: Periodize my training (alternating strength phases, hypertrophy phases, and cutting phases(=) Program deload weeks every 4-8 weeks of my training Good form and controlled eccentrics Usually go just shy of failure (I love post-failure training though with myoreps and forced reps) Select exercises that work for me The psychological aspects of diet success That's really it and its served me very well. I'm very grateful to the guy and the lists of exercises for each body part on his site are great and even include form videos. Everything but his old lectures on his channel is pretty much just fitness entertainment content though.
@gaelr.s7123Ай бұрын
L block periodization, just do concurrent periodization haha
@xnexgax2477Ай бұрын
@@gaelr.s7123 Im experimenting with that as well. Always fun to try something new. That's way more important than optimizing 10% hypertrophy of the penile erectors.
@xnexgax2477Ай бұрын
@@gaelr.s7123Theyre both amazing. Do what you like, but come in with a plan, a goal, intensity, and consistency and youll succeed.
@TheGudeGymАй бұрын
Are you green screening your own garage gym behind you?
@AteszikaАй бұрын
how is that legal
@AlexanderBromleyАй бұрын
Haha. It's July in Texas. ILY guys but not that much
@dennisnordlund902Ай бұрын
@@AlexanderBromleythat’s such an awesome detail and fitting for the vanguard of the enlightend gymbros 💪🏻💪🏻
@espenstoroАй бұрын
I find that much more amusing than it should be.
@CoachWhillock6 күн бұрын
I was wondering 😂
@teebirderv8Ай бұрын
I'm just waiting for Greg Doucette to comment "Reeeeee!!!"
@user-pz6hs6wi6fАй бұрын
Exercise Science will just never be able to work on the level on Precision we have in Engineering, Physics, Chemistry, etc. To be honest, I'm actually surprised why even have Departments of Ex. Phys. that is not purely focused on physical therapy. Do we really need to spend public funding to find out how to get jacked optimally? The big problem is that it looks at averages. What works on average might give us good clues, but if you look at any data of a random ex phys study, the variance between the individuals can be staggering. This is just an inherent flaw that haunts the research in this field. P.S.: @10:09 😏😏
@realization891925 күн бұрын
Dr. Mike does say in his videos to do what works for you, but to start at the best thing on average.
@lucasrezabek-laird719Ай бұрын
It’s a fair critique, though I disagree that Dr Mike and others are misleading people, they assume a level of intelligence that might be above the average viewer but I don’t think they are wrong to assume such.
@d4seinАй бұрын
If you can acknowledge that the average viewer isn't able to correctly digest that kind of information, yet you still release it to the public without any disclaimers, you are misleading them, IMO.
@AnUnknownPlayer.Ай бұрын
No they definitely mislead people. Every time i see that dudes videos, he’s seems to always talk out his ass, and when he says he “goes to failure” it’s obvious he has at LEAST 3+ reps in the tank.
@supermarkethobo9567Ай бұрын
i feel like ive seen this video 100 times already but im still gonna watch it
@timothyburger6715Ай бұрын
"i think I asserted the opinion I agree with better" I'm sure you do
@RamboerАй бұрын
My favourite Bromley Rant topic...
@nunchukGunАй бұрын
Pak and Milo Wolf are disappointing. They came out strong but now both rely on low effort reaction videos because they have no content.
@taylorhillard4868Ай бұрын
I mean is it any worse than a video that's just pointing at things you don't understand and saying "haha pencil necks not big like me cuz they small" over and over?
@virding232Ай бұрын
@@taylorhillard4868 Yes.
@iaamara8434Ай бұрын
@@taylorhillard4868One is entertaining, the other is the equivalent of watching paint dry
@user-db6tx1hs5oАй бұрын
Milo is honestly the worst of the lot. I thought he was alright until I saw that video on antagonist supersets where he just randomly drops the fact that the study he’s referring to used only novice lifters who hadn’t exercised before, and then moved on like that wasn’t an absolutely massive methodological flaw. Like you say now it’s just reaction videos where he never once gives any kind of strong opinions either way. Just milquetoast critiques so he can maintain plausible deniability to avoid being called out.
@dilbophagginzАй бұрын
Milo's clickbaiting is egregious.
@kyledsweeneyАй бұрын
I’m a beginner, so I haven’t added any of the sciencey stuff to my routine other than upping my protein intake. I understand 90% of the stuff Mike talks about isn’t relevant to me, partially because he repeats that in every other video. I watch RP’s videos because Mike’s entertaining and I need something to keep my motivation up while I’m grinding on the basic barbell lifts. His channel is more than just 1 or 2 jacked guys showing how much they can lift. It is that sometimes, but it has enough variety that I can tune in and not feel like I’ve seen the same video 300 times already. But I get that fans are annoying. People find their new religion and call it science and in their eyes everyone else is wrong. Annoying fandoms happen in every industry that has some intersection with entertainment.
@GutsBatmanАй бұрын
I like Mike's channel, but I find watching people lift to be incredibly boring so I find his best videos are him explaining singular concepts. He is a very good talker and explainer. I suspect that's part of why he jokes the way he does. Not saying he strays off topic for too long all the time, but the off topic jokes and references really to bolster the length of his videos.
@chrisfrench9257Ай бұрын
Pushing yourself hard, focusing on good technique, getting adequate recovery while eating enough protein/calories is the main thing. The "science" part is just hobby talk. It can help, but you can also get lost in the BS.
Ай бұрын
What's the problem with nerdiness and having exercise as a hobby you want to learn more about? I watch a wide range of fitness KZfaqrs and find the science based community both engaging and inspiring. What is annoying is people that like to rag on them for views.
@jahimuddin2306Ай бұрын
There is nothing wrong with it, but the science bros act like a cult. Their way or the highway. I see science based bodybuilders talking shit on channels dedicated to athleticism because some of the movements are not “optimal for hypertrophy”.
@chrisfrench9257Ай бұрын
I don't believe I said there was anything wrong with it other than you can find yourself lost in all the theory crafting of it. The foundation of progress is what I laid out in the OP. Anything else is just extra. I've watched a wide variety of fitness videos over the last 10-15 and nerd out on this stuff as well.
@IntelligentProbeАй бұрын
Look guys it's simple... do what works for you. Science isn't killing anything and anyone suggesting otherwise just wants headlines. Put in the effort and near any style of lifting will work. To that point, any diet you can consistently maintain will work. The vast majority of us aren't competitiors so figure out what goals you want and lift accordingly.
@IntelligentProbeАй бұрын
@@DBaggns You must be trolling, otherwise you sound like an insane person. Everything you've written here is moronic.
@TB43442Ай бұрын
@@DBaggns did you and I watch the same videos? Mike advocates for like 5-7 sets per muscle and literally has videos telling you how to spend as little time in the gym as possible. If you can’t get in and get out with a good workout in 45 minutes, that’s a you problem. Mike also advocates for heavy compounds as a beginner/intermediate and is extremely open about his and other people’s use and tempers any expectations in most videos. He has sections in most videos specifically talking about what to expect when you’re natty or on gear. Mike also makes it clear that a lot of his methods are not for beginners/intermediates, only the advanced lifters trying to squeeze out every bit of size/strength they can. If you’ve been spending 6 hours a day in the gym with junk volume and bad isolations missing out on fun things in your life because of what Mike said, you just weren’t listening
@leinekenugelvondoofenfocke1002Ай бұрын
When Mike said he got to big to do the overhead press correctly, that is the exact moment my eyebrow permanently raised at him. I'd like to see him have that conversation with Eddie Hall, or Iron Bibby. He scienced himself into a very strange place, that I don't wanna go. It's like when Bane told Batman "victory has defeated you"...
@espenstoroАй бұрын
Biby's shoulders are as big as his head, and on top of that, he ain't lean. But he found a way.
@moa3821Ай бұрын
All pro strongmen are bigger than Mike yet they found a way@@espenstoro
@CeroAshuraАй бұрын
@@espenstoroprops to biby but his form is shit. The ROM starts at his teeth and ends 2 inched before lockout. Can't blame the man, he's capital B big.
@DometooplzАй бұрын
While incredible Bibi's bends ao much during his press that it looks more like a bench press.
@leinekenugelvondoofenfocke1002Ай бұрын
@@Dometooplz that's his competition lift. He does other overhead work in training because you have to. Even a standing incline press is better than no overhead press at all.
@santaclaus78027 күн бұрын
Alexander, My Brother. Please tread carefully when commenting on Dr. Mike. He has admitted to juicing as well as harboring homicidal urges. I just worry about your safety, Brother.
@FitOneswithVarunАй бұрын
I spoke with Eric Trexler recently and he was pushing back on the current state of research in this space (compared to other areas), and some of the poor data and findings on the meta analysis side of things.
@eastsidepb8139Ай бұрын
Elaborate?
@JafmanzАй бұрын
never heard of him
@FitOneswithVarunАй бұрын
I’ll post the podcast shortly (I have one with Bromley too) as I’m not qualified enough to speak in more detail. The main takeaway is that meta analysis sits at the top of the evidence hierarchy, but a lot of them are poorly done and shouldn’t just automatically get the credibility
@hayesdelezene4590Ай бұрын
Absolutely. Eric Trexler has levied some great critiques against the state of exercise science literature. The field seems to be plagued with an extensive set of issues. While I acknowledge the fact that a lot of the exercise science literature is pretty lacking/limited, it doesn’t seem like the natural assumption would be that people who pay attention to the evidence-informed fitness space are losing out on gains. The notion that people who pay attention to exercise science are losing gains because of that attention is just that, a notion. I would bet that the people who “lose gains” due to the exercise science stuff would have mediocre gains no matter what, cuz it seems like people either bring the necessary intensity naturally or they just don’t. Additionally, it is possible that the science based lifting crew has brought more nerds into the iron fold, which would inherently mean that they cause gains, cuz being in the gym is always better than being in the basement lol. At the end of the day, these are all guesses, but that’s the point cuz the assertion that people are missing out gains is also a guess. Obviously, I’m not a stand-in for everyone who pays attention to the exercise science content creators, but I would bet good money that I have left no extra gains on the table due to exercise science. I’ve been obsessed with the evidence-based lifting space since day 1 in the gym, but I just always had the desire to push myself hard, so the basics that get the lion’s share of gains were naturally in place. I have toyed around with all sorts of science-informed lifting choices, but if they are the small details that don’t matter much, that should apply in both the negative and positive direction. If the basics are in place, I have no clue why intense attention to the little details would lead to losing out on gains. I love paying attention to the details, but it’ll never interfere with going close to failure(in a hypertrophy context) and doing sufficient volume. I also find the concern trolling rather funny. We are largely talking about viewers who are in their late teens and older and we need to be concerned about them losing gains because they have such limited critical thinking? My brother in Christ, have a bit of faith in people and don’t treat them like wayward children. Even if you assume that some significant portion of the lifting population has the critical thinking of a young child, I don’t see why we need to be concerned with their hypothetical loss in gains, cuz in reality they are adults (or close to) and can choose their own path. The “deception” of thumbnails ain’t that deep and it doesn’t take a genius to understand the underlying message of the more quality folks in the evidence-based fitness space.
@hayesdelezene4590Ай бұрын
Jeez I really wrote an essay. A bit excessive, but whateva.
@Mysticbladegod12 күн бұрын
Honestly, I prefer Peter Katcherian. Dude keeps it simple. It's the old school methods and CONSISTENCY that gives the best results
@Oi-mj6dv15 сағат бұрын
He gives extremely solid advice yes
@vivander807Ай бұрын
As a guy who loves Dr Mike, I think your criticisms are quite valid. And no, your earlier video on science killing gains was not boring.
@strongermedicineАй бұрын
So funny to hear about Supertraining. I remember 15 yrs ago TRAWLING through that book, convinced I was going to understand the elixir of training. It had such a mystique about it. And utterly bamboozled me with its graphs and weird force curves and exercises. Solid solid video. Very refreshing take.
@blazedehart2748Ай бұрын
I remember being a high school football player thinking i had the secret weapon over my rivals with Supertraining. Lol
@zachbaugher421Ай бұрын
I could only make it halfway through Israetel's video when I saw it a few days ago- there are few things more irritating than a discussion wherein both commentators are positioned for and against the same ideas and are just basically parroting each other. It reminded me of political commentary shows where you'll have a "panel" of people having a "discussion" about a complex topic. It's all theatre. He ought to actually invite someone on your video/s that fundamentally disagrees rather than finding another yes-man
@eastsidepb8139Ай бұрын
You could only make it half way because you're weak.
@brianholland5447Ай бұрын
One time his entire narrative got blown up when he was interviewing someone about "going to failure" and the guy said "there are always tradeoffs" with any approach. Boom!
@Clapper74Ай бұрын
There are so many variables out there you’ll lose your damn mind sciencing the shit outta your workouts for gains. I thought most people tried a bunch of shit and slowly figured out what works best for them? Worrying about which exercise to use is wasting time unless you’re doing it in the gym and see what works. Diet is also a huge variable in gains.
@henrikbartnes8424Ай бұрын
the average knowledge on gym stuff is really low. there are people selling exact set and rep amounts in programs without even explaining reps in reserve, how many sets you recover from, how advanced you are and so on. of course people can figure it out on their own but with the ridiculous amount of misinformation out there, nippard is a great way to start and mike is a great way to nerd out and learn more every week. of course you have to be more critical the more specific the studies are but then the trying stuff out works
@InquisitiveHombreАй бұрын
Soviets athletes were probably the closest thing to lab rats when it comes to exercise science
@InquisitiveHombreАй бұрын
@@henrikbartnes8424 but that’s the point, you know nothing when you start out and you try stuff out. How many sets and reps isn’t very high on a priority list, neither is what exercises should be done. I’d go as far as to say for the general public form isn’t even that big a deal as long as they aren’t taking a train to snap city. Effort and consistency are what matter, and if that’s the case how much does the info really help. If anything the info distracts people from doing the basics and putting in the effort.
@henrikbartnes8424Ай бұрын
@@InquisitiveHombre i think exercise selection is overwhelming so just getting started somewhere is good, but any youtuber will do that. The concept of matching so if you recover too fast after a workout you can add a set is incredibly valuable information that i don’t see that often, and the concept of rir should be known to beginners, knowing you don’t have to go to failure but gradually get introduced to higher intensity is a really good method. How is this not good advice that skips weeks of testing and months of watching to how to get abs fast videos with 20 exercises on the floor in 20 minutes
@InquisitiveHombreАй бұрын
@@henrikbartnes8424 I see what you’re saying, and I think you have a point in that people learning the basics is good. But I don’t think rir knowledge really helps beginners, I think someone with no knowledge would just dial training back naturally. But I could see how that info could save people time, even if I think they’re going to eventually end up experimenting in implementing what they learned. The problem I have is that once people learn stuff like rir and then they misapply it and try to use more stuff they learn and misapply that. If the knowledge ends up holding people back then it counteracts its benefit.
@anthonycampitelli3925Ай бұрын
Since the last time I posted on one of your videos, I am now also a professor of sports science with a PhD in biomechanics. Unlike Dr. Mike though, I also have a graduate degree in statistics and research methods and, like always, you are 100% correct on this topic. Exercise Science has not even scratched the surface of being able to prescriptively analyze exercise in any holistic way beyond the fundamentals. And it just gets worse and worse as the individuals it attempts to draw inferences about become more advanced. For very advanced trainees it does not even meet the burden of making educated guesses. The thing is, I think Dr. Mike and I would agree on nearly all of this, his problem is the frequency with which he covers topics. All his videos and debates are about the fringe issues that make very little difference, and I imagine that prompts many people to place too much weight on those things over the basics because they are constantly being presented those topics in their feeds. I worry this is causing many people to step over hundred dollar bills in their training to pick up pennies. But I suppose half-court shots are sexy and layups are boring.
@wiperiser1Ай бұрын
Adding weight makes muscles grow 🎉
@wojciechsawicki4733Ай бұрын
I feel like dr. Mike doesn't quite follow the same rules of training he talks about when actually training people. You can even see in his training videos that most of what he does is really simple stuff with a lot of tweaking room and basically no "this is bad because I said so, do this other thing that's just a hypothesis". Also when critiquing people's trainings many times he says that some things they do are fine, but he just wouldn't choose to do them, which is preference. Of all the people you mentioned, he's the best one in my opinion to follow
@OlloloАй бұрын
In my humble opinion (working out for 25 years, licensed fitness trainer, worked for a supplement company as a writer) the most important thing is that you can justify your training with valid arguments. That may not mean that there are no counter arguments but a well founded hypothesis is a good starting point. From there it's mostly experience and a matter of fun. In the end you just should enjoy what you do, since you are probably not a pro athlete who has to find the best method. (Funny thing btw: All doctors and physical therapists I met in my life have a way more defensive and conservative view on training compared to people within the fitness bubble. Talking to them once in a while helps to set your standards straight when they got blown out of proportion again by the internet.)
@cecilanderson7298Ай бұрын
When the lengthened partials research came out with Wolf coach he blew it all out of proportion and said he was doing it exclusively, a year later Brad brought him back down to earth. Thats one example of how people talk beyond the actual science and spread bs.
@timoborri298Ай бұрын
So, exercise science doesn't work for elite lifters. But, just like 99.9% of people, I am not an elite lifter. Then again, for us 99.9%, it doesn't really pay much dividends to follow the "most optimal" exercise advice.
@brianhamilton3582Ай бұрын
At the end of the day I think that "pick a simple program and consistently work hard at it for a long time." just doesn't drive ad revenue. That's why you have to make videos like this (no offense, I'm here watching it after all lol)
@LiftHeavierАй бұрын
Evidence based bois: Citation needed. Bromley: Quality citation needed that citations are needed (there is none).
@erenjaegersrightbicep63Ай бұрын
Bromley is spot on about the so called 'statistical inference' that once can obtain from these experimental designs. The biggest issue is a small, relatively homogenous, and non randomly treated sample in terms of the participants' characteristics, eg. age, training history, etc. Without a bunch of heterogeneity (variance) in the chosen sample, it is very hard to be precise about whatever effect size is obtained, i.e, it could be this number, or it could be many percentage points above and below, we're pretty damn uncertain about it. This problem is further exacerbated by the fact that the sample size is small (underpowered, unreliable study) as well as due to non-randomization study designs (possible endogenity: the causal effect that you perceive to be due to exercise is in fact driven by some other factor). All this means that you absolutely cannot extend the study results to a larger population (not externally valid), which defeats the purpose of the research in the first place.
@Shadevortex2Ай бұрын
I feel like you can literally just try some of the different techniques that were used in the research yourself. You can still run your program and just try out some concepts on individual lifts for some set period and see if it feels good or makes you progress faster. If you've given it an honest shot and you don't like it then just go back to what worked before, no biggie. The most important thing is to enjoy what you're doing and keeping you motivated to continue. Most of the conflict and drama in this space is just driven by the KZfaq algorithms and incentives. In order to keep getting views and to get paid, you need to play the game of clickbait titles, bold claims and misleading thumbnails. It also doesn't matter if the response is negative as long as there is engagement and activity. Which is a real shame because a majority of the content creators give really good advice with solid reasoning but are incentivized to stir controversy for income.
@samuelmagnum6047Ай бұрын
Move. Lift things. Repeat. That's it.
Ай бұрын
How often? How much? When? How heavy? What type of movement?
@deansheppard1104Ай бұрын
9:20 i find this very hypocrite from milo , mike and pac , they claim they are only changing the "external factors" and not touching the "basics" thats completely false , milo advocates and swears by only lengthened partial workouts, that's chanching your training structure completely , taking away all the exercises trained in a different strength curve ( short bias lifts are good has well and you need variety in your program ) , thats a one way ticket to plateau and from mike when he shows gimmicky shit and praises over basic lifts he is in fact meddling with whats basic ( his shity bicep version of dumbell flyes compared to actually proper incline curls ). This people are here to make money , milo with his click bait , name dropping non stop and circlejerking his own social science level degree which no one gives a shit
@shieldmaiden101Ай бұрын
If you watch Jeff and Dr. Mike, they explicitly explain that the “frivolous” information is only for advanced lifters that want to get every advantage possible out of fitness. Not just the basics. Part of the reason for the uncertainty is the fact everyone’s genes are different and are going to respond better to some fitness instruction than others. This being a net positive, seeing as there are various amounts of that kind of information. Meaning the things some people don’t respond with will have other information they do respond with. In my personal experience Ive sought out many fitness influencers like Jeff Nippard and Dr. Mike from Renaissance Periodization. Their information has completely expedited my athletic fitness goals for professional sports. I would say the reason they have so much of their content surrounding it is not just for views. It is for people like myself who could use more than the basics to advance our journeys. I think a large part of the heat in the exercise science community is that people don’t acknowledge nuance. Not everything will work for everyone. There are different ways to achieve different goals for different people. And many people just think that everything is either right or wrong.
@aumadityadhawan7 күн бұрын
People think science is truth, I think the correct way to describe it would be the art of asking questions
@TheJollyMisanthropeАй бұрын
The problem I have with those that are always claiming they are "all about the science" is that they tend to have very rigid thinking, and seldom change their minds on things unless holding their original position begins to affect their personal brand. Which is what this is all about. Social media branding and money. Some are horrified of the idea of negatively affecting their brand by admitting they were wrong. Intellectual narcissism definitely contributes.
@wotdefookbruvАй бұрын
When I started lifting, the guy with the biggest arms I saw in the gym was Barbell Curling 135lbs for reps and Overhead Tricep pressing 135lbs for reps. That day I made it my goal to rep out 135lbs in the Barbell Curl and Tricep Overhead Press 135lbs for reps. Fast forward today I can now Barbell Curl 135lbs for 10reps and Overhead Tricep Press 135lbs for 12reps, and my arm measurement is 18.5inch cold. I used Double Progression, Dynamic Double Progression, and Linear Periodization. Nothing fancy. Sometimes, we just need the most basic program with the most basic progression tactic and attack it with intensity
@EgoliftdailyАй бұрын
Dayum... Brom explaining research complexity and limitations better than most Science boys. Thought provoking. Great vid, Brom.
@ChadWilsonАй бұрын
I wonder what Mark Rip would say to all this. LOL!
@pongombАй бұрын
Train hard consistently, rest a lot, eat clean and do it for years, as a lifestyle. Gains and improvements are guaranteed.
@michaelmaxwell3638Ай бұрын
I am going to address one point, and that should, unfortunately, dismantle the argument. "The bottom line is no one is trying to address bigger questions, like if we can even say that one particular variable or approach is going to be better for the general population as a whole. Instead, there's just a wild assumption that it is that way." This is a bad faith argument. Many studies you deemed irrelevant for being too general or lacking a large cohort earlier in the video were done against - albeit smaller size - a random assortment of people (which is meant to give insight into the general population, that's why it's random). In fact, you seemed to complain about the studies if they themselves can't concretely optimize the margins. Yet the same studies must be doing exactly that because there is an inference in the results. That's why you have meta studies that assess large groups of studies. Those meta studies are EXACTLY what is meant to be used when finding both large truths and trends for optimization. I don't even need to mention the scientific process allows for peer review of the research. Whereas if we lived in a world where it's only subjective and you just do what the guy in your gym tells you to do then it's just as right as world strongest man because you've immediately conceded the ground for anything resembling greater truth. I don't think you understand the implications of your anti-science philosophy in an incredibly subjective field. Nor do I think you're fully considerate of the dogmatic counter culture talking points you're engaging in.
@AlexanderBromleyАй бұрын
"Large groups of studies" LOL so you haven't looked at a single meta analysis. Zero studies with pro bodybuilders, almost none with elite lifters, none tracking beyond very short time windows. Bad faith counter culture tactics? One of us knows how training works. The other is guessing.
@michaelmaxwell3638Ай бұрын
@@AlexanderBromley That's absolutely true, every study I have ever seen has been not done on pro body builders, and any done on elite lifters appears to be from data scraped from some sources, and not actually interfacing with the lifter themselves. I have also not seen a study done over a long period of time. Everything there is a valid criticism. That in no way takes away from the point of a randomized and controlled study intended to interface with the general population is inherently meant to answer broad questions and give general advice that anyone can adopt. If anything, training people less naturally gifted in lifting under constraints that still yield improvements is a certainty to improve the performance of those actually gifted. You're argument would only apply if studies were done on the genetic outliers themselves. To address the meta study comment. There have been meta studies done on stretch mediated hypertrophy. Range of motion. Sets completed a week for muscle groups. All of these studies have not been inconclusive. There are clear findings. I'm certainly not aware of ALL of the meta studies done in this space, maybe there are more than I know to acknowledge that contradict my points? If I have time I'll try to link in some studies. Anyway, this is a big point I disagree with you on, but I absolutely love the content, been watching for three years now. Relaying your experience has been a godsend for my squat and deadlift. Thanks for your effort! Edit: I feel like I'm being too general and in not engaging with the crux of your point and am myself doing something in bad faith. Some context, I'm someone who can go to the gym, absolutely decimate myself in 3-5 sets of squats and be sore for 4-5 days. I workout with a work bud who can go do 10-12 sets for quads and recover (avg) 1-2 days. He just doesn't have that mental drive to absolutely go nuts in the set. He is, what I believe, the average person that most if not all studies in the modern space are designed for. Following those studies (more sets, longer range of motion, controlled eccentrics, 1-2 RIR, etc) he benefits from immensely. I personally do not gain as much from following "science-bros" or the latest study, because I am not in a position in which my training needs to catch-up or I am plateauing. But there are notions these studies explore which are an incredible boon, like; just do more sets if you want to grow larger in one area (nuanced, I know). But for people like my friend, it's pivotal to have these studies because they can explain why plateaus occur, and essentially create a checklist of "*well what is missing*" from his workout plan.
@wompastompa3692Ай бұрын
"I'm not anti science, I'm just anit horse shit." Stick Del Hagen.
@slee2695Ай бұрын
"Alex Leonidas faked his lifts".."Oops no he didnt" - Eric Bugenahagen "Stay natty guys, unless WWE calls you"
@user-ic4kh5nq4qАй бұрын
I find the best journey in working out is a self journey
@TheRealJackMahofferАй бұрын
Stick to the basics and don't overthink it.
@LCDRformatАй бұрын
What exactly has Jeff Nippard said that's wrong? You come at him pretty hard for being some dildo on the internet with no special training, but he seems well spoken, well read, pretty honest... I've only watched a couple of his videos but I don't understand where he's wrong
@AlexanderBromleyАй бұрын
It's deeper than "Jeff recommended lifting this way and I think you should do it that way". It's the way he leans on research for his content to inform training decisions..... i's A.) a misapplication of science and B.) makes things more confusing. Jeff is a smart guy and probably does give pretty good advice...but that advice would be mostly the same if he never read a research paper.
@LCDRformatАй бұрын
@@AlexanderBromley I know you're a busy guy and you probably explained it in the video but even reading what you said I 100% do not understand why I should care. If he's giving accurate advise, then it's not a misapplication of science, and while it probably is confusing for some people, they don't have to watch his videos. Maybe I'm confused why it's bad. I'll rewatch your vid. Anyway, loving 70s powerlifter so far, thanks for your reply. - Okay, I rewatched the video, are you accusing Jeff Nippard of being a huckster who is scamming people out of their money? You draw the comparison between Jeff selling programs and people buying BCAAs, which is little more than a scam. I think if that's the case, you need to outright say it. Your language ought to be much stronger if you feel Nippard and people like him are swindling their viewers
@chrisbell8418Ай бұрын
Science is stoopid. I have never read one study and I’m jacked AF.
@DrewLSsixАй бұрын
Using science to decide your training is one step removed from Using science to decide which leg goes first when putting your pants on.
@mcfarvoАй бұрын
Heavy cylinder make sad voice in head go away
@manicmandownupАй бұрын
Bromley, Dave Tate’s Elite FTS Table Talks, and Westside Barbell podcasts will give every strongman, powerlifter, bodybuilder, conventional and strength athlete all the information they could possibly need.
@Strengthandconditioning60Ай бұрын
People constantly changing up their workouts, doing this then doing that, because they're confused by the constant bombardment from influencers and not having a consistent program is killing your gains.
@ClarkyClarkАй бұрын
I've been lifting now for about 1.5 years. My first year i ate up everything RP and Dr. Mike said. And it helped. I found you and started worrying less about optimal and more about what seems to work. I still really enjoy RP, Jeff Nippard, and those guys; but I'm here more for interesting science tidbits, form videos, and motivation. I no longer take anyone in this sphere as seriously as I did, because i came to a very important conclusion; I'm not trying to be a competitive body builder or strongman. I'm just trying to be a little bit more for, a little more muscular, and a little bit leaner than i am. That's it. I don't need optional, i don't need to break myself, i don't need a perfect diet plan. I really like you, and i appreciate your perspectives and the way you break things down. Also love your non-lifting videos and life discussions. All in all, agree with a lot you say, but i still find value in the science bros. Just not as much as i once did.
@BuJammyАй бұрын
I like Pak. He seems like most of his videos are "here's what the science says, but doing what works for you is more important".
@uhsemehicieronlas3Ай бұрын
I'm only 4 mins in and didn't watch the original video, but it seems Dr. Mike turned to philosophy of training
@BunkerNinjaАй бұрын
LL Bean sun hoodies are the most comfortable that I've tried. They don't feel plasticky but are only UPF 30. They also don't scream "I have a gun".
@future62Ай бұрын
I play music and the whole exercise science thing reminds me of music theory nerds. Who gives a fuck what fancy scales you know if your playing sounds like shit? A lot of this galaxy brain stuff is just a way for people to convince themselves that entertainment is work.
@edurado1996Ай бұрын
It boils down to this: scientism is a religion 🤷🏿♂️
@Oi-mj6dv16 сағат бұрын
Exercice sciences can tell you about averages yes. What It cannot tell you is actually the biggest caveat and which ends up making it way less useful and thats what YOU respond to. Its always an N=1 for your own lifting journey regardless of how many papers youve read on the topic
@JeromeONeillАй бұрын
F*ck science. Lift progressively heavier stick and eat enough to support that. The biggest guys are the strongest guys. Who’s going to have the biggest legs the guy hack squatting 1 plate per side for 10 or the guy hack squatting 8 plates per side for 10. The guy hack squatting 8 plates per side for 10 of course given that the form is the same. If you can get to the point of inclining 5 plates per side Hack squatting 8 plates per side deadlifting 8 plates per side bent rows with 4 plates per side all for reps you’re going to be big and strong. Most people don’t need to be doing “optimal” exercises
@atlaspowershruggedАй бұрын
Classic motte and bailey tactics from Mike. When called on it, "oh, it's uncertain and fringe" and yet he's happy to confidently declare that Ronnie Coleman would have been bigger if he squat differently because science. Edit: this video was definitely useful and informative, keep preaching the good word, brother!
@scottm5121Ай бұрын
Yeah I unsubscribed from all the science based channels it just wastes my time
@alexandreroger6098Ай бұрын
Science based has a place to combat all the non sense based advice we can find online. So many BS on the internet, I'd rather people put faith in "science"
@AlexanderBromleyАй бұрын
Most of the bs is widely known to be bs and Ex Sci hasnt studied most of it directly anyways. "Put faith in science" is a slogan. It doesn't mean anything.
@Edge1588Ай бұрын
All I know is, when I was a newbie I would see what had been uploaded to add to my bro split routine. The intensity was played out in my head rather than the exercises. Telling myself that this is what is proper training is. Now a bit older and wiser, I've made more progress by simply picking up and putting down big heavy things, and I just let the body get to the end point the way it wants to.
@5thgearouttahereАй бұрын
Mike gives the game away around 3 minutes. He's making mega bucks the only way you can in the fitness "industry" - selling absolute certainty to perpetual beginners and non starters.
@smileysan9261Ай бұрын
When ever I see an Exercice science video, I try out what I see and if it feels better I implement it in my routine, but if I don't I will just ignore it. For example I switched push downs for overhead triceps extensions or i start leaning more forward when doing leg curls, because Í also feel it more
@3komma141592653Ай бұрын
If i trained as often as i watch KZfaq videos on how to best train, i would be Mr Olympia already. So blame the viewers. We click those click bait videos every day.
@liquidpebbles25 күн бұрын
Work hard, rest, work hard again.
@Abdo.R.MohamedАй бұрын
"Rawr u're doing it wrong because science said otherwise , No there's a lot more nuanced to this" -says the "nuanced" guy who were saying Colman would get bigger back if he did rows with strict technique .. lol
Ай бұрын
Don't you think it would be fun to see what happened if these roided up dudes used more "strict" technique? Would be cool to see if there was a difference! Because as it is those roids are doing a lot of heavy lifting
@anthonyurso3554Ай бұрын
No because people who know better know wouldn’t make a difference lol Jay Cutler, Dorian and Coleman and many other bodybuilders were massive AF and those 3 specifically trained differently If anything is consistent it’s steroids, consistency, isolating body parts, sleep, diet etc
@Seabass_McmuffinАй бұрын
Ronnie could not have gotten bigger. He peaked his body's limit for mass. You're delusional if you think steroids alone carried him to Olympia. Dr Mike is on a tonne of gear too, but he looks pretty awful in comparison.
@Abdo.R.MohamedАй бұрын
@@Seabass_Mcmuffin have u read my comment man ? please , actually go read my comment and come back lol
@Abdo.R.MohamedАй бұрын
@@Seabass_Mcmuffin have u read my comment man ? please , actually go read my comment and come back lol
@cristianschuster945821 күн бұрын
My new favorite example of this stuff is in the running world, zone 2 running is the new hot shit all of these different marathoners and researchers say is the hot shit. Now i have to see all these jabronis in my work chats say "yeah, just got my zone 2 run in this weekend" im like kyle, you freakin idiot, you didnt do zone 2 training, you just half-assesed your twice a week 2 mile jog. Like the real professionals doing zone 2 training are covering more miles in one day than Kyle is running in a whole month.if you want to be a good strong lifter, just go lift weights, if you want ti be good at running, just go run. Now if youre tryinf to get into college/olympic/professional level of competition for something. Okay, now go look into research to try and squeeze out that extra 1% over your competition
@keropnw3425Ай бұрын
The Royce Gracie reference is kind of funny bc the gracie's are like the HIT cultists of the MMA world lol.
@keropnw3425Ай бұрын
I actually like Mentzer even if his later advice was just too ideological, the Gracies were that ideological and marketing focused from the start.
@deadliftingtubas5623Ай бұрын
Don’t overthink what you body does and reacts to, do overthink the things that you put in your body. Spend more time researching biology, diet, medicine and life practices and less time overthinking the way you do work.
@glockfunАй бұрын
Generally speaking, we don't generalise to a population in social science research, although it is possible. For exercise science to be taken seriously it first needs to decide whether it's a "hard" science looking to generalise its findings to the broader population, or whether it's a "soft" science looking to explore individuals and/or small groups within a wider context. Both can be done however they change the messaging that comes from the field. If the field wants to go the hard science route then they will need to contend with full blown medical ethics approvals (which are a nightmare) and then engage in a large group of varied individuals doing a blind test with 1 or at most 2 variables difference to measure across the group. Then do a follow-up study to confirm the results in a different group. Doing that would require a specific exercise lab with many trained coaches to run everyone through the same routine for months (not weeks) and then repeating the process with enough people to confirm any findings actually work. Current exercise science doesn't do this because A) It's hard to convince enough people to come into a lab consistently and do a routine that's closely monitored for months on end and B) The scientists don't have the patience to follow an experiment for years to test if there are results of significance. It's more career advantageous to do a qualitative study masquerading as a quantitative study and publish the results quickly. As that way you can only look at 5 people and claim the results as meaningful while using the social media discussions as valuable metrics of research penetration into the community (aka non-traditional research outputs). The field (researchers and influencers) need to have a reckoning with the word "optomise" because it doesn't mean, to the rest of science (qualitative or quantitative), what ya'll think it means.
@yilli_91098 күн бұрын
It's fucking stillborn 🔥 🔥 🔥
@tim..t175Ай бұрын
Good video. Although i am a fan of Jeff Nippard . I feel he tries to convey good information, and a lot is dietary too. I don’t like his exercise choices, so i rarely have used his advice
@michaelvitale881011 күн бұрын
That was a very unnecessary bash at Jeff. With the exercise science side of the house, you really are misrepresenting their view. There is nothing overcomplicated about what they say, lift hard, control the negative, pause at the bottom of the eccentric, go within 2-3 reps to failure per set, and do this for every muscle. If it is a larger muscle do more volume during your day of training and work that muscle fewer times per week to allow recovery, if it is a smaller muscle use less volume, and you can train it more times per week. Why are you making it seem like they are making overly complicated claims?
@qwerty-rh6ht10 күн бұрын
It's paralysis by analysis in practice. All these pop exercise-science guys like Mike and those who spin around his orbit are targeting mostly noobs who don't need those studies about possible (questionalble?) marginal gains, when all they need to do is to focus on most important basic things that actually gives you most results. Look, Mike would be more useful if he stopped pushing his theories to the masses (that he, btw, can't even put to practice properly for himself) and instead mention simple yet so important thing as bracing to his sheep followers
@jon.aАй бұрын
Ben Pollack talked about how science takes science a while to catch up to tacit knowledge, and science is always changing