Yeah, because the fucked up drums didn't help counting much :)

@@ChristianIceJames messed up more than the drummer who actually kept the pace

@@Telefonsladd Nope. Go listen back at the original song, at 3:16 you'll find what the part is actually supposed to be.

@@ChristianIce What do you mean? The drummer played the part wrong but didn't lose the counting, which James did?

@@Telefonsladd When the drummer plays another song it can be distracting.

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Bruhh

Hahaha

😂 wtf

Nice one lol

haha gotta love Petrucci

Mentre gli altri, si fanno il sangue amaro, lui si diverte. Persona positiva, semplice e alla mano. Arriverà a suonare fino a 100 anni ed oltre...😍

its harder for James to fix this mistake without making another mistake by stopping or not singing couple of words

@@wetji1233 What?? he could say "whats up New York!" or something./.. instead he is just focusing on singing HORRIBLE, like a crying orangutan. Rudess as always, a great music sense and metronome... and Petrucci as if nothing happened 👍 So... the only crybaby was the worst musician in the band. (I like how he sings on records, not live)

Jordan is truly the real mvp

@@MarcoPolux Labrie is old. chill

@@Moskal91 right about that 👍 chilled right now with my cold Pilsner 🍻

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How's your singing career going?

He’s the worst part of dream theater…

@@op3l Mangini is the worst part of Dream Theater. It's like replacing Petrucci with the DragonForce guy. All chops and no soul

@@davelospinoso9022 while I don't like his sound... I feel like he still keeps the beat and is a great drummer in his own right. Just he's too shouty for my taste. He has the demeanor of a low key guy but everything he does and say feels like he's going "WITNESS ME!" But Labrie... He constantly misses high notes and just trots around like he's lost most of the time.

HAHAHAHHAHA GOOD ONE

Hah! Nice catch!

Hhahahahahahahahahaha XD

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HAHAHA I am SO glad this joke is still alive!

Gring-- Professional musicianship is the power to turn a mistake into an improvisation to the ears of the crowd without also showing any body language if that mistake. Thats a master thing to achieve

A professional and an amateur all make mistakes. The amateur would sweat and panic, the professional goes along and keeps on playing. Professionals also make mistakes professionally i.e correct the mistake, improvise seamlessly, reaching a point in which they say to the audience "sorry for the mistake" and the audience is like "what mistake". That's a mark of a true professional right there

I’m ,laughing my ass off at so many of these comments. Yes, Mangini screwed up. But then some say, “but it was on the pulse” or “okay, he played the wrong part, but it wasn’t a screw up” or “it was JLB’s fault because he had to look to see Jordan showing him the beat”. I’m so glad none of you kids are in my band. 😂 You won’t find a bigger defender of Mangini in the face of Portnoy fanboys than me. But the bottom line is Mangini played the part totally wrong. You can clearly hear him hitting the cymbals trying to find the count and he found it rather quickly. And it threw James off, of which with help from Jordan, got back on it. That’s what bandmates do. Have each other’s back. It was a fuck up. Big deal.

@@TheAxe4Ever Well said 👍

The cereal box man has no groove, that’s why.

It's literally like watching 5 Olympic Gold Metalists perform right? LaBrie is still WAY better than Geddy Lee was the last decade of his career and I say that as a Rush fan.

@@muhtasimshahriyar8351 lets agree to strongly disagree

@@muhtasimshahriyar8351 Its just different dude. Better or worse doesn't fit the subject.

@@muhtasimshahriyar8351 But OSI 1 was incredible. Love Kevins work there.

Underappreciated? Hes like the keyboard jesus

Right. It's like that from a screaming whale

That ending part.ouch..

Isnt labrie 55? not many rock vocalists know how to take care of their voices. And Labrie is one of em. That his voice isnt what it once was has been a well known fact since the late 90s, its time to stop bickering about it.

DIDUKNOWDAT .URANIDIOT? Time for a new vocalist. He became a studio vocalist but live has not been to the same standards since the late 90s. It hurts to listen to this live. All I hear is “waawaaiiiaaawa eeeeeaaaww” like many have pointed out.

@@carlmanu changing vocalist would be like changing guitarist, James Labrie will probably never be replaced if he doesn't get any injuries that prohibit him from performing. Dream theater is a family, they have all known each other for almost 30 years now, they are definitely not gonna kick him. I don't personally have a problem with it, I can look past it, knowing that he delivers in studio and did deliver on every single album, I don't wanna listen to a DT album without Labrie on vocals. That would be like listening to another band, his phrasing and all that is a big part of the bands music.

I think they did that with some Images and Words tour, still didnt sound well lol

The fact that this misfire happened on Pull Me Under is pretty embarrassing TBH.

i saw them a week ago in charlotte and he did much better than this, but they did do that for the images and words tour in 2017

Mangini messed up the same EXACT part of PMU during the Dramatic Tour of Events at LA Nokia Theater in 2011. It was pretty bad. JP looked annoyed.

And for I&W and Beyond they did tune down 1/2 step. Even ACOS was tuned down 1/2 step as well and James did hit the notes a little better but his diction and enunciation of certain words still sucked.

Home run.yeah I would throw a curve ball here and there to.keep em on there toes

Whiplash line, that bald guy looked like Jordan Rudess.

This. While everybody was accusing Mangini of being the robot, it's the other dudes and he's the only fellow human. HOWEVER, my music school just taught us that the drummer is always right, so from that angle, all the other dudes were wrong :D

Most probably they are playing to a click, so they don't have much choice but to keep playing or the programmed sequences will be out of time

Petrucci doesn't hear LaBrie on his in ears. So he maybe didn't even notice the mistake.

Mish... donde lo pillo, sir. Veo que el WiiU prevalece 😅.

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Except cereal box man has no soul or humanity, so it just makes it even worse.

Si señor Totalmente de Acuerdo👽👏🏻👏🏻👊

haha

Why are they so high?

@@TheMrMegabyte something to the effect that they hurt lebries ears so Mike raised them above ear height. I cant remember the exact story but it's something like that.

Brenham Koontz Thank you, but sometimes they seem difficult to reach

For sound separation , interaction , seeing the crowd and bandmates while performing do you want more reasons

TERN ME ENDER

Oh shit, that is james in nutshell lol

I wish he could use all that coordination to play with some sort of groove. Unfortunately, all we get is cereal box man with misplaced polyrhythms.

You’re absolutely right but to a band like DT this must’ve been so frustrating even a wee bit off must’ve felt like death. Jordan would’ve questioned his whole existence after the show (JK)

@@youadrenalinetube Now that I watch it again, John seemed to have noticed really quickly something was up. Like immediately. I wonder if there was suddenly some sort of monitor issue where they couldn't hear each other very well?

@@TheJakePoole I dont know but it felt like Rudess was giving some sort of metronome for all members to get back into tempo. Man are they GOATs!

Let Mike off with that Lars Ulrich does it every night

There mistake is better than anything we could come up with in our lifetime..and I still loved it.kerp rocking Mike

Myung es estadounidense, su ascendencia no tiene nada que ver con su disciplina

@@arnaldocabralirrazabal5549 is that jokes!

@@kevinprasetya9767 Nah es de esos que se hacen pendejos como si no entendieran para sentirse ofendidos y superiores simultaneamente.

Nadie es perfecto!

wut

Well, what ive been taught is that the rest of the band should always follow the solist, if the solist messes up the band should follow him even though they have been playing right.

It was James who started a beat late, so Mangini switched it up right?

No wait they were both on time but Mike should've played the snare on the down beat

Mike could play the song backwards if he wanted to.and STILL saved there ass.

The Hedgehog!

james isnt coming in late at all.

It's very disheartening for those of us who didnt get the chance to see them in Jame's prime or at least semi prime. Still may try and see them just for the instrumentals

@@dorfnob it's a shame because it was a great gig! JP goes nuts with power (search for those exact words) during take the time. And I got to see my drumming hero too. I hope lte3 happens when the time comes!

actually i've seen them live last summer, and James didn't sound as bad as he sounds in this video. he probably just needs a lot of practice to sing all this songs

dorfnob I hear you. I only discovered DT a couple of years ago so I’ll never get to see them at their peak :/

@@HammerBlow500 yeah, at least they have put out a bunch of live DVD's over the years lol it's a similar thing with Tool, though I'm still hyped for that new album that may or may not come out this year lol

Yeah that's what I'm hearing too. Other than sounding bad, JL seemed to come in correctly at "this world..." but Mangini didn't.

I think it's more of a result of it being a raw recording. That being said, it's a shame that as people get older, their singing voices definitely change and can't hit the notes they used to. James is an example. Geoff Tate is another. It's no knock on them. it's just the way it is.

I've heard mistakes that sounds better than the song.and the mistake coulo be done again.because they didn't know how they did it.no shit.

labrei wasnt even thrown off, his singing is in time, and he turns around to look at mangini, who comes back in time as james turns around.

Looool! Nailed it!

Actually, he was trying to get on the tempo. Rudess helped him counting with his hand.

Myung is independent

yep, 0 mistakes

This entire song is in 4/4 time. Mangini messed up and you can’t count. The end.

@@Nmdixon-cu7vm what timestamp where he messes up?

It's actually labrie fucking everything up.

Pienso lo mismo, es un dios.

Thank YOU! Every time i say LaBrie is finished i get hammered. His voice is SO damn off key that it literally hurts to watch him try to sing.

It was. Pull Me Under is their encore song for this tour.

Labrie messed up.. mangini tried to fix it....rudess helped get labrie back on track

Neill Peart through the towel in .so to hell with perfect.

Portnoy ever did the same issue when they played live In The Presence of Enemy

no, he isn't he is facing front of stage but his arm is out so mike can see it.

If they were actually amazingly synergized, the mistake wouldn’t have been made in the first place. Portnoy never would have gotten off beat in any song and never has.

@@seanhartel5362 Even without Portnoy, I find it difficult to deny the synergy the band still has, even if they are rustier than they used to be. And it's not like this is the first time this sort of thing has happened anyway. The following clip has Portnoy on drums: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qsVyl9xk26_Vhn0.html Also, it is worth mentioning that it was James who came in early in this clip with Mangini. The only reason it sounds like Mangini was getting "off beat" is because he was trying to gradually slow down to compensate for the fact that James came in late. Essentially, he was pausing at the end of each measure slightly until he was in time with Labrie's vocal parts.

@@burymeband5410 with the luxury of state of the art in ear monitors and a click track, and they still screwed up. That audio you linked to is what, mid 90’s? Yea okay dude, totally the same.

@@seanhartel5362 If you find that comparison to be unfair, feel free to address the rest of my argument. I am trying to give a rational explanation of what happened and how the band fixed it, but you just seem dead set on blaming Mangini for the whole situation, which is inherently unfair if you actually hear what is happening here.

@@burymeband5410 I mean, he is the drummer. He has the most responsibility for time. If you’ve ever played in a band then you know this. Not to say the mistake is only his, but Mangini should be the one getting everyone back on time and not Rudess.

much too late

No. The drum part was supposed to start with the snare, Mangini fucked up. The voice was a little late but at least it was the right part :)

@@ChristianIce can I ask which bar are they playing and what time signature? I think your a smart person who understand music. Please prove your point.

@@mikejune4103 it's a simple 4/4 The signature doesn't change nor the bpm, the bridge part has the snare on every beat while the previous has it only on beat 2 and 4. EDIT: here is how it was supposed to be, at 3:16 watch?v=SGRgAULYgWE

Yes it was, he entered the bridge a little bit too late

It's the last encore of the whole evening this tour. Give the guy a break. I'd love to see any of you attempt what he's doing.

@@KyleDavisMusic that type of argument does not work. Either put up a valid point or stfu

Never

@@KevinGsWK oh really? Factor in his age, how much he's had to strain his vocals throughout his whole career hitting high notes, playing through whole sets on tour while having two bad vocal cord injuries during his career with DT. They (Petrucci and Rudess, writers of most of their music now,) also continue to push the envelope on newer records, not adapting to his changing vocal capabilities, instead expecting him to sing like he did almost 40 years ago. He's putting in effort still, and I can't imagine HOW DIFFICULT it must be with all he's got going on, including "fans" like you who just shit on his singing all the time. If you don't like how he sings live, don't see them live, just listen to their albums... They played here in Atlanta and I was fortunate enough to see them. He sounded very good in person. I don't know if it may be the shitty microphones from these phones that aren't doing him justice, but give him credit man

Meanwhile better vocalists keep their voice like Bruce Dickinson

Juan Ayestas HORRIBLE voice

00:15 Is it Jordan telling him to slow down and return to tempo?

I can understand not liking his voice, but you really gotta mock his size? That's cold dude.

Saludos desde la ceiba primo !

when he came to Indonesia a few years ago, play mirror or lie song. He made a mistake. And rudess's face look so dissapointed.

Mangini came out from metronome for a little

the singing is exactly on the tempo it should be. its the drums that go long and this end up out by a beat. even though i play the drums i know the lyrics structure for this one and i can start tapping out the metronome at the start fo the video and sing exactly how it should be and james is spot on.

10 seconds is 8 seconds too long. That is embarrassing for musician’s of their caliber. Would have never happened with Portnoy.

Conclusion, you have no eyes.

He's the one that made the mistake

Yes he is, but he can play, you not. 👍

I’m not impressed at all. They never should have made the mistake in the first place. Vocals have nothing to do with it. Mike was more than an eighth note off beat and it took more than 3 bars to get back in time. This is embarrassing for musician’s of their caliber and it never happened when Portnoy was the drummer.

@@seanhartel5362 ok