"In reality Christianity is very oppressive to the flesh." WOW! That's the whole reason they hate the message.

We're all "born that way", as in born in sin. The onus is on us to repent, become born again, and live the remainder of our days as we are instructed by His Word.

“Christianity is not oppressive to the person, it’s oppressive to the flesh”... Wow, so true. Cuts right to the heart of the matter. Thanks for another great video, Mike & Alisa!

Man you broke that down like a car on the side of the road. Glad I found this channel

*It’s not the only issue that matters, but it is an issue that matters*

The quote about the bible oppressing the flesh hit different

Getting all "Jordan Petersony" with the title lol

Delivered from homosexuality and filled with the joy of the Lord!! You must grasp the concept of laying it ALL down, sexual desires included, at the feet of Jesus. I was inspired by Paul. He was beaten, stoned, and tormented for the sake of the gospel. I was reading these things about Paul and asked myself why is your sexual desires more important than your obedience to the word? Paul gave it all for the kingdom and you let carnal desires overtake you? I’m so free now. Thank you Jesus.

I agree with you Mike, that’s the same conclusion I came to realize. When a Christian family has a child come to them with this issue then they need to realize and understand this concept you are presenting.

Answering Biblically... that's why I love Mike.

Mike you've got a real gift of articulation. The way you explain these issues is so wonderful. Thankyou so much, there is so much here that we can use in conversations with others. Thankyou and God Bless you x

Y’all made a great point in saying that it depends on what you mean by “gay”. I’ve read comments on other videos from people who were mistreated in church because they’re a man who likes the color pink, a woman who’s a mechanic, and so on. We, as Christians, need to remember that just because somebody’s interested in something that’s *considered* manly or girly, doesn’t make them gay. If they’re attracted to, and acting on those feelings toward the same sex, or if they believe that they were born in the wrong body and are actually trying to behave like the opposite gender, that’s another story. Just thought I’d expound a little more on the subject. I hope it helped somebody

Sodom and Gomorrah was not a Fairy Tale

love this collab and series!!!

I'm a gay man who grew up within the Church but recently has been struggling a lot with it. Either way how this works out, I just wanted to say how much I appreciate your teachings, Mr. Winger!

These are truly informative! Love these!!!

That's a issue I see a lot today. When people cherry pick the Bible to fit their viewpoints, and discard anything they don't like. If the Bible says something's a sin, there's no changing it. And I love how you said Christianity is not oppressing to the person, but the person's flesh. That was a eye opener for me. Can't wait to see the next one tomorrow.

So, I watched yesterday and then I realized I already watched all of this on Alisa’s KZfaq when it came out🤷🏻‍♀️ I’m watching again anyway😂 can’t hurt!

I really appreciate this! Thank you.

Thank you for sharing them in this breakout format. I watched and enjoined the 2 full episodes. This format gives me the opportunity to real think about the issues and go to the LORD in prayer when needed.

Thanks for being honest, Mike!!!! More grace upon your life in Jesus Mighty Name!

The extra layer I would add on top is that a pattern of temptation does not make an identity. This single truth has given me so much power to live in true freedom as a man who finds himself predominantly attracted to men but at a far less frequency than I used to be. It's not an identity, just like "alcoholic" is no longer an identity for someone who has stopped drinking altogether but is still tempted. Being sold out for the kingdom while walking in single celibacy is way more satisfying than anyone who hasn't walked it out would lead you to believe.

Really enjoying this series

The same could be said about men who like to sleep around. If you choose to never get married and have sex with women like a lot of red pill men do, you will be in the same category of being condemened to hell, but if you obstain till marriage or decided not to have sexual relationships with women at all, then you are all good.

At the end of the video, Alisa explained so beautifully everything that I feel. I wish I could arrange words like that instead of blocking every time in a social encounter. My brain just goes blank. 🙄

Thank you both for these short informative tidbits.

There is no freedom...for the flesh. Love this. Need to remember it. Once again, God HATES sin, and so should we. And God brings freedom, including freedom from the flesh.

Hi Mike, found you only yesterday, but you have something radiating from you and your teachings, your honesty and insight really amazed me. I prayed for an issue and got 3 videos day after day consecutively among which was yours. I have a topic i would love to see in case you read my comment. I would like to hear your thoughts on the patterns of the world present in churches since it is hugely unpopular thing to talk about, and you are the only one thinking critically and being openminded so far. Especially i am interested not in those typical "churches these days want entertainment" but the more hidden and deadly ones like idolizing theology, plastic faith, social biases and pride among teachers

Thanks pastor once again you Bible knowledge is 👌

People today keep asking "Can you be gay and a Christian ? " , Instead of asking " Can you be gay and go to Heaven ? People claimed to be Christians but that doesn't mean a thing if you haven't been Born Again !

*Repend for the kingdom of God is at hand!!*

God bless you both

I appreciate the way you cut these videos into 5 to 10min clips, helps for getting the keypoints and help folks on low and limited data like me, it difficult or impossible to watch 1hrs long clips. Often find your views in accordance to what the Bible actually speaks about various subject matters. Thank you so much

As soon as a church determines to say the homosexual act is not a sin, then to be consistent, adultery, greed, gluttony, drunkenness, and stealing can no longer be considered sin.

Thank you for this conversation. Can you link to the four-part video series Mike talks about where he deals with the issue in more depth?

In the beginning God created man and woman, not man and man.

Love these short formats.

And the hits just keep on coming! Good one!

The whole ragamuffin movement was about surrendering yourself to sin. The Rich Mullins movie with the ragamuffin author was just disgusting. I had to walk away from watching it, whole basement filled with professing Christians on a missions trip. What a tragedy.

Dude, Mike and Alisa are using KZ's ZS - 10 pros IEMs! Wild!

Straight to the point!

This is very important and I'm glad you explained this

I think there's misdirection here. Jesus said if you look at a woman lustfully it's the same as committing adultery... and adultery is sin. And we all are guilty. The issue is not whether gay people commit sin by acting out. They do and thinking about it or fantasizing are the same thing. We are sinners saved by grace. Sanctification happens by correcting behavior and by taking every thought captive. We endure and continually apply the blood. God promises if we do that He will wash us. And by washing us He makes the temple ready.

Excellent answer and sensitivly addressed. Sent from Darlington England.

This mentality is what led to me thinking of self-harm and locking myself in my room for a month because I figured out I was bi. No matter how this anti- lgbtq affirmation is phrased it causes harm. I have amazing loving parents and yet I was scared for my life about telling them about my sexuality. I couldn't talk to any of my christian friends. The only people I felt comfortable coming out to were my atheist friends.

You two are so encouraging and accurate. It all comes down to what the bible says and not what people want to believe. When someone says, 'it's my truth" it really means what one believes to be true. Example: to say, "I can fly" when gravity will prove that to be false!

Love these very short direct teachings. Thank you

Part 1/4 So I'm going to do my best to be kind and loving to these believers because I do believe they mean well. The problem I have over this topic is we have 21st century Bible teachers trying to deal with a topic written about in the context of the First Century and prior cultures. We often define the Bible by our modern vocabulary and can create some strange beliefs and contradictory beliefs as well. We read the Bible as if it was written for our culture and many, many times we screw it up. 2 Timothy 4 says 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. I will attempt to show why many of us believe in fables and we only listen to teachers who tickle our ears. First, we need to define SIN. What is it and why is SIN, SIN? Second, we need to put all context of being Gay or (homosexual behavior) in its proper context. For example, I have heard for many years that God used the Flood to destroy humanity (except for Noah and his family) because of the SIN and immorality (often focused on homosexuality) "as in the days of Noah and Lot" as the reason for the flood. And that God destroyed Sodom because of Homosexuality. This is all false, but it doesn’t fit our traditions so we reject an understanding that says these assumptions are false. 3rd we need to distinguish between "us" and the culture/society 4th We really need to examine ourselves as the real "sinners against God" in our world today. This may be long but I hope it causes us to think and ponder what do we believe as a tradition vs, what does the Bible actually say? There are a few things we need to agree on that I can't go into in this post. First, that God is Eternal and all-knowing and that regardless of what I or anyone else says He is ONE who has the final say. There is nothing we can do or say that will change God's plans for history. We are here to learn about God and His ways not define our own beliefs. I hear many Believers argue and bicker about many topics. Is Salvation permanent? Is Once Saved always Saved true? Are we living in the last days/end times? If so is the Rapture pre, mid, or post,? Homosexuality and other sins, and what are they? I think we need to take a hard look at what we think the Bible says and what it actually says. God has warned us about the last days Church and what it looks like and the Bible doesn’t speak highly of it and I think we need to take what it says to heart. We need to ask are we the ones it is talking about? SIN whatever the definition is between God and humanity. We as believers through the Holy Spirit are made aware of SIN as it pertains to God. 1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. When we discuss this topic about our culture I think we have ignored the Bible by applying the Bible to our culture and the message to the unbeliever. So how are we supposed to handle the Homosexual question? I don’t think we can easily narrow down to this one topic without understanding some greater Bible teachings. The Bible often warns us about our actions towards others and it has a warning for us as the Church. 1 Timothy 4 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2 by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, 3 who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth. If you think this isn’t about you then chances are it is. We need to be careful as we have many traditions and false beliefs, some are harmless and some are dangerous. For example, many think that in the Garden of Eden Eve ate an apple. The Bible says fruit, there is no mention of an apple. Many think there were 3 wise men. There were 3 gifts: Gold, Frankincense, and Myrrh but no mention as to how many wise men there were. These are fairly harmless but what we are talking about is far more dangerous. Misconception: Sin is about morality. SIN IS NOT about morality. SIN is NOT a choice. We CANNOT conquer SIN. So what is SIN? SIN is what we do that results in death whether it’s physical, emotional, or spiritual death to ourselves or to others. And it’s a SIN against God because God wants s to live. Genesis 2- 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat[d] of it you shall surely die.” Then we read about the interaction between Eve and the Serpent Genesis 3:1-2 Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You[a] shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” 2 And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, 3 but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’” Then the Serpent says in Genesis 3- 4 But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. 5 For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” We often read this as the decision to disobey God that was the SIN. So we believe that if we disobey God, we SIN. Then we try to determine what is disobedience and what is obedience and we get all screwed up. Then Jesus comes along and says 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.” If you listen to Christians today even in this video does this sound like Jesus? You have a SIN nature-Homosexuality and it’s ok to have that nature because your human but if you give in to it then your sinful. Sounds easy enough coming from a straight person. This flawed thinking is how we have screwed up the gospel. Christianity today, for the most part, seems to be a religion of death, not of hope and the Bible tells us that it is to be this way during these final days of the Church Age for God’s purpose. SIN isn’t disobedience per se. SIN is what we do that brings death. Through Adam and Eve’s choice (SIN) death entered the world. What Adam and Eve chose brought death that’s why it was a SIN. God said if you eat you will die. It’s not the eating part it’s the eating and dying part. We became both spiritually and physically dead. Since God is life and His desire is that we live when our choices bring death we disobey God.

How should we read the bible? Some guiding bible principles: Luke 8:15 Psalm 25:9 1 John 5:9 Luke 24:27,45 Galatians 5:17 Acts 17:11 1 Peter 2:20-21 Revelations 22:18-19 Deuteronomy 4:2 Proverbs 30:5-6 Galatians 1:7 Hebrew 4:12 Luke 11:28 Ephesians 6:17

Love from India ❤️

Did you cover Leviticus 20:14? That’s a hard one for me to accept. In fact, if it means what is plainly says, then I reject that. But if the meaning is not plain, and something else, like “branding”, then it’s still a little harsh but not as bad a burning alive.

You must be BORN AGAIN. John 3:3🕊 2 Corinthians 5:17

As someone who has struggled with this sin but also grew up in a Christian home, I was so conflicted by the question “is it a sin to be gay?” And it took me so long to make the distinction that you make of “well it depends what you mean by gay.” Because it’s not like there is a black and white answer. There are multiple options/ beliefs and some are wrong and some not. It’s kind of a scale. 1.) it is wrong to think, act, or identify as gay. 2.) it is okay to be attracted to the same sex as long as you don’t identify as gay or act on it 3.) it is okay to identify as gay, but wrong to act it out 4.) it is okay to identify as gay and act it out. Overall, Christ tells us that in order to save our life, we must lose it.

"I was born this way" would make God a liar. You can feel any way but feelings are a horrible way to live your life.

Part 4/4 Genesis 19 4 Before they lay down, the men of the city-the men of Sodom-surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people [b]from every quarter; 5 and they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may [c]have relations with them.” (This is where we think homosexuality has to do with this.) So Lot a righteous man replies 6 But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him, 7 and said, “Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly. 8 Now look, I have two daughters who have not [d]had relations with any man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them [e]whatever you like; Now I’d like a Bible-believing Christian to tell me that this is the response to their definition of a “righteous man” By that logic, you are saying that Lot offering his daughters to be "taken advantage of" (to put it kindly) by the town is not only less sinful but a righteous response than homosexuality. Is that the teaching/doctrine we are going to believe? So what is the proper context of the homosexuality conversation? Honestly, there shouldn’t be one. People are people but we will never see people as just people and it’s sad. 
This topic is so twisted and messed up that I think we should just shut up about it. We say that God made marriage between a man and a woman Genesis 1 27 So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; Genesis 2 24, For this reason, a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. 25 And the man and his wife were both naked, but they were not ashamed. So I hope we all realize that this was before the fall in Genesis 3. Here is the context of this passage. God creating a perfect world with perfect people is told to “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it” Can homosexual relationships be fruitful? No. If we all had homosexual relationships humanity would become extinct. This is contrary to God’s overall plan. Homosexuality as a reproduction plan is a sin because we’d all die. This is not about morality. However, we don’t live in a perfect world and we are not perfect people. I want you to digest this passage and see how a very accepted “rule” was obliterated by Jesus. Matthew 12 [a]At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath, and His disciples became hungry and began to pick the heads of grain and eat. 2 Now when the Pharisees saw this, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on a Sabbath!” Here is a widely accepted belief about the Sabbath and the religious leaders called Jesus and His disciples on it. Now today we know Jesus is God and so this and other passages are amusing to us because there are telling God about the rules. However, we often tell others because we’re religious what God’s rules are so how are we any different? 3 But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he became hungry, he and his companions- 4 how he entered the house of God, and they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat nor for those with him, but for the priests alone? 5 Or have you not read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple violate the Sabbath, and yet are innocent? 6 But I say to you that something greater than the temple is here. Jesus makes a clear difference why He’s rebuking them: 7 But if you had known what this means: ‘I desire compassion, rather than sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent. What I have witnessed over the last 20+ years of this topic is how Christians's brains short-circuit over this issue which makes many ill-equipped to discuss it. The enemy uses the question “Is Homosexuality a SIN?” And from there we as believers SIN against God. 2 Timothy 4 says 3 For the time will come when they will not tolerate sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance with their own desires, 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth and will turn aside to myths. We believe in fables and myths that aren’t true and dismiss reality as myth and fables. When we say homosexual couples can’t marry, we hold out a standard God placed in a perfect garden so that humanity would procreate. Except mankind fell and all that we do is imperfect compared to God’s original design and He allows it so that we will be redeemed and return to the Garden. We hold out a perfect standard to an unbelieving world that has no understanding of God. And we destroy any hope that those who don’t believe in Jesus may one day believe. For whatever reason Christians have latched on to this topic and completely bought into a doctrine of Demons. Matthew 18 At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” 2 Then Jesus called a little child to Him, set him in the midst of them, 3 and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me. 6 “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea. 7 Woe to the world because of offenses! For offenses must come, but woe to that man by whom the offense comes! How many of us in our own self-righteousness have brought death to an unbelieving world by our message? For many years I did. I have torn people down because I held onto rules and traditions and killed the innocent with my lack of compassion and love. The Law will always kill us and when our message is based on the Law we bring death to ourselves and the world. The Law shows us we can never meet God’s perfect Holiness, it was given to prepare the way for the Messiah. The one who would save humanity from death and SIN. Jesus’ work in us isn’t complete until the day of Resurrection. Here is one final thought to ponder. What if we asked ourselves “will what I say or do bring death to someone or will it bring life?” The Bible says in your anger do not sin. Is it a sin to get angry? No. Is it a sin to get angry and call someone a loser, or an idiot? Yeah. Because it kills them inside. Then you want to talk to them about Jesus and think it’ll work. How many people who are part of the LGBTQ+ community have been killed by Christians? Thousands? Millions? It’s easy for a straight person to call a gay person sinful because Christians believe Sin is a choice, not a disease that has plagued ALL of humanity and straight people aren’t gay. By the way, I’m straight but I have watched for 2 decades how Christians have damaged their witness to unbelievers. I hope this helps in your studies on this topic but I just think many Christians have blown this topic up unnecessarily due to a lack of understanding of the Bible.

Opressive to the flesh, but liberates the soul! Good one, Mike, I thank God for your works!

People often say I’m a lesbian, and yes I did marry my girl best friend, but I didn’t marry her because we were Lesbians in love. I married her because she and I are Aro/Ace (no romantic or sexual attraction) and we were best friends. Our marriage is platonic. It’s centred on God and bettering ourselves and each other.

Mike, I think it's helpful with questions like these to acknowledge and repudiate the history of oppression Christians have doled out to gay folks, both believers and non-believers. So yes, gay actions are a sin, and now what? As an image bearer how should you be treated by Christians. I think that's important

Just so you know, I'm Jewish. But, if you'll get rid off the God's Law, like Christians have done (yeah we don't even follow the 10 of them), than you'll always have this kind of problems and gray areas. Once we accept the God's eternal law, and follow the example of our Messiah, the way he followed it. We will be not only liberated, but also have no room for interpretation. We don't follow it to be saved, but to show our love to God because we are saved.

it's not a sin to be gay. it's a sin to act on it

Um why are so many videos private??????? I can't see the smoking one.

Well Said Mike and Alisha, actions, behaviors, holding captive all thoughts unto Christ Jesus is the difference. Jo

Love the truth, and obedience you both share. Thank y’all so much. I’m from Southeast Georgia. I’m from the Bible Belt! Like wayyyyy down imbedded in it. And all around me these points that you guys are discussing are welcome. It breaks my heart. I pray their eyes are opened.

Right on Mike 58 seconds in you gave a response that I have given at least 10 times exactly the way that I have given it.

Didn't you already post this? I'm sure I saw this a few weeks ago.

Im a calvinist but I have a huge respect for Pastor Mike Winger.

Hey mike do you have any videos on sins that lead unto death vs sins that don’t lead unto death ? God Bless ✌🏽

Side B's position seems to be that it's not a sin to "be gay," but it's a sin to "do gay."

Do a study on a teaching about Lonnie Frisbee....please! He helped start, Calvary Chapel in the early days...

I absolutely love what you are doing on your channel brother Mike! Keep it going! God bless 🙏❤

Just looking at this list right at the start, whoever wrote the list obviously has no idea about sin or knows anything about God except for "God is love". Except for #22.

I study religion (I’m not a believer myself). The psychology that goes into though is fascinating.

Hey is there any way apologists can talk about how we reach those who are gay, who have been hurt by Church, and genuinely love them without affirming their lifestyle?

I’ll give it to Mike. He puts his bigotry on display for all to see.

I would reason that not only the action is a sin, but not silencing your desires is a sin. If someone indulges their lustful fantasies, they are also sinning. If they are indulging in romantic fantasies about someone other than their lawful spouse, they are sinning.

1 Cor 6:9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men We all have temptation to resist and we all fall short but get back up and fight again, no matter what the temptation is. Jesus wanted to wash Peter's feet and Peter said:"NO!". Jesus replied: "you dont understand what I'm doing but later you will. Unless you allow me to cleanse you, you have no part with me." Whatever temptation or sin we are fighting to resist we have to recognize our imperfection, reject it at heart and understand our need to be cleansed and redeemed. We cannot be okay with the sin we commit. We should desire to have it removed from us. The cleansing and redemption has not taken place yet but through our faith we live as it already has, having a better conscience. It takes place when Jesus returns, which is soon. Hang on till then.

Fantastic answer. Myself as a person that is a Christian and struggles with same sex attractions, it is so important to be able sort out temptation from actionable offense. Would I love to someday not have to deal with this particular struggle? Absolutely. But this struggle has mad me understand the depth of grace and what dying to the flesh really looks like; having to understand my feelings don’t equate to truth and seeing what God’s intentions are toward us and how do we best chase after those in our broken state of humanity. Having nearly died from complications caused by AIDS, I have walked the path of sin leading to death and destruction, but beyond thankful for the grace to see another day and know that Jesus stands in grace, forgiveness, freedom, and LIFE when we choose to accept it.

Part 2/4 Paul reiterates this in Romans 7 7 What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead. 9 I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died. 10 The very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me. 11 For sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. 12 So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good. “9 I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died.10 The very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me.” The Bible and the commandments and rules are to show God’s Holiness and perfection. What do we know of God’s Holiness? Nothing. What do we know about perfection? Nothing. These are concepts we can’t even fathom. It is not for us to master the Law because when we try to it leads to death. Because our imperfect understanding of perfection leads us to death. Jesus was the only one who was perfect enough to follow the law and be the one to die to fulfill the punishment for breaking the law which was death. Paul tells of our struggle 15 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. 17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. Romans 8 6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. So there is a clear pattern. We are all sinful, every human being. We are sinful because we will die and we make choices to accelerate our death and the deaths of others. It's almost like saying instead of SIN replace it with Death. For the wages of "Death" is Death. Why is adultery a sin? Because it brings death to a marriage. Christians and non-Christians understand this. So whether we are Christians or not we bring death. Salvation through Jesus saves our soul but as long as we are in this body we will SIN. We are death-bringers and we always will be. This is why Paul even after being saved says in Romans 7 21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. 22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, 23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin. In Deuteronomy 30 God says 11 “For this commandment which I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it far away. 12 It is not in heaven, [q]that you could say, ‘Who will go up to heaven for us and get it for us, and proclaim it to us, so that we may [r]follow it?’ 13 Nor is it beyond the sea, [s]that you could say, ‘Who will cross the sea for us and get it for us and proclaim it to us, so that we may [t]follow it?’ 14 On the contrary, the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may [u]follow it. Then it goes on: 15 “See, I have placed before you today life and [v]happiness, and death and [w]adversity, 16 in that I am commanding you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in His ways and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, so that you may live and become numerous, and that the Lord your God may bless you in the land where you are entering to take possession of it. It clarifies it Verse 19 I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have placed before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your [y]descendants, 20 by loving the Lord your God, by obeying His voice, and by holding close to Him; for [z]this is your life and the length of your days, [aa]so that you may live in the land which the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give them.” When we look at the commandments not as rules but as a theme of life and death we will begin to understand what SIN is. SIN brings death and we are sinful. Jesus brings life to us but we are still sinners saved by Grace. Why do you think there is a resurrection day? 1 Corinthians 15:50-57 50 I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. 53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. 54 When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”
55 “O death, where is your victory?
 O death, where is your sting?” 56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus had to be born of a virgin because SIN like a disease has infected all of humanity. Think of SIN like this. The Bible says gluttony is a sin. Why? Because if I choose to overeat and overeat and overeat I am choosing to kill myself slowly. My choice results in death which is why it’s a SIN. Why is choosing other god’s before GOD is a sin because the other god’s the kingdom of darkness want us dead. The enemy doesn’t care who we sleep with unless it ends up in our final extermination. We see all throughout history that the ancient religions were death cults, and unless we understand the context if the Old Testament we will also become a death cult. Religion is about rules of do’s and don’ts, be better, be more righteous, be more holy and God will accept you. The Bible shows a mirror about humanity, that we will always choose death. God gave us life through Jesus but unto we are Resurrected on that Day we will always be sinful. God just sees us as sinless because of Jesus’s sacrifice for us. We as people love to be thought of as “good”, we want to be better than other people, as Christians or religious people we want to think we are holy and righteous. So how can we think we are these things if we believe that God only sees us this way because of Jesus? There must be some other way to measure our goodness? How can we be holy as God is Holy is there is no measuring stick for us to follow? This is why the Bible is clear if you don’t have Jesus you are dead. “He who has the Son has Life, He who does no have the Son does not have life.” It’s as simple as that. There is no in between.

Ok, what about when it says that if you've even thought about the sin, you're guilty of it?

Christianity isn't oppressive to the person, it's oppressive to the flesh.

When it comes to oppressors, I think the Bible makes clear that our flesh is the real oppressor. It keeps us in bondage to sin and it's consequences. The way of Christ only appears oppressive to the flesh because it's dealing with the real oppressor so that we can truly be free in Christ to do God's will. This should be the desire of anyone who claims to be a follower of Christ. It's not about justifying our sinful desires but saying along with Jesus "Not my will, but yours be done". Thanks for this useful breakdown Pastor Mike.🙏🏿

God bless you

Clear as a bell. We all face temptation. But the term "identity" you point out is actually (I'm pretty sure) a kind of idolatry. It has so many meanings, but in the progressive movement it is the "highest" good, so it's a kind of god for them.

Anybody that needs scripture ref “And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away? For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels. But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭9:23-27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Praise the Lord! We love the person, hate the sin.

Can you skip the recap of what these videos are and just jump into the answer?

Why does acting effeminate always get left out of the conversation? 1 Cor 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

WWWOOOOW.. I paused the video to read the entire list that this Ragamuffin guy made. Wow.. this guy is so lost he doesn't know which way is up. It's packed full of just flat out lies meant to make him feel good. I am astounded at the verbal gymnastics that guy did on bullet number 23. To say that Jesus saying "I am the way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father but through Me." is not an exclusive statement is just mind blowing. To say that penal substitution is 'garbage'... when it's based in Jewish sacrificial law shows this guy just has no clue of the contexts which the Bible was written in and how it all works.

Hey Mike and others here. Can I get your thoughts on the meaning of Matthew 10:22 and additionally the parallel passages Mark 13:13 and Matthew 24:13? Thank you for the help 🙏🏻

i don't think I'd call that freedom. At the same time, maybe freedom isn't the best way. why choose democracy when you can have the best of monarchies

Good as always Mike! For anyone who wants a good apologetics channel on Instagram, follow _Poly_Carp_ on there. On KZfaq though, Mike is easily the king on here, along with IP and James White's stuff

Progressive Christianity is NOT Christian at all.

I wouldn’t even say Christianity is oppressive to the flesh. Christianity is oppressive against sin and corruption. The life of a Christian is built up on discipline of following in Jesus’ example. Conforming to the image of God’s son Jesus. You can’t conform, if you are in rebellion against the image of God’s Son. So we live a life that brings our flesh into submission to God. We are training our bodies to be disciplined in recognizing Spiritual authority. The concept of the flesh is also not entirely based on the body, but the self serving nature of the body that is undisciplined. Like an infant, it is immature only seeking that which gratifies itself. Maturity is realizing that their is more to life than your personal gratification. Following Jesus also points to a life of Love, which actually is about recognizing that there is more than personal gratification. I believe a large issue in understanding this especially with the homosexual community is that modern Christians include their sexual relationship activity as “love”. I have watched young men give reasoning that sex is how they desire to show their future wives that they love them because Eros is a form of love, and I have heard pastors with wives and children also preach this same message that the Greek philosophy of Eros being love is in the Bible. It is not. The same Love even in Songs of Solomon is the love between Abraham and Isaac... and I don’t even want to go where that can lead pushing the whole sex/love craze that is being pushed by Christians and pastors today. We keep trying to tie our “passions” and “desires” into what “love” is and we fail to see how it further confuses others when they try to look at the foundations of what to believe. Those passions and desires are of the flesh and their is a place for them that must be maintained with personal discipline. Being a disciple of Jesus means making sure to walk with God in submission to Spiritual authority which establishes boundaries for the flesh. There is so much that can come from those boundaries but people focus on what they can’t do instead of what they can. Being tempted with Homosexual temptations is not a sin and I am glad you all shared that. I firmly believe though that we have developed a culture where intimacy like Jonathan and David, is only recognized between two people that are sexually engaged. Even in Christian circles. There is this culture of empty false community where we push the idea that if you want to have any kind of intimacy, you must find a spouse because no one else has time for you. And I watch young men and women idolize finding someone who they can finally open up to and for some reason sex has to be involved. So exercising genuine intimacy with another human being becomes bound to the marriage relationship and the marriage bed and that is where I place the blame on modern Christian culture as it lacks the genuine intimacy of what Jesus began. It is limping along trying to bring in the cultural aspects of the world, and redeem them, instead of letting those worldly influences die on the cross and follow what Jesus established by example. I am just sharing that we created the current climate with our marriage focused Christianity, instead of a Christ focused discipleship. In the end they just brought in their sexual desires, over emphasizing its importance, and got a pass because it was a more acceptable distraction.

It's crucify the flesh daily. It's take up your cross and follow him. It's live a life of celibacy rather than eternity in hell.

Sooo.. The Answer is Yes..sheesh. Don't tell me to go around the block just to say I live next door..

All of the prohibitions in the bible are about sexual penetration and lust and not about same sex desire and attraction which was taken for granted in much of the ancient world. Apart from the scriptural prohibitions there are also sound medical reasons why men should abstain from any kind of sexual penetration. There is nothing in the Bible that prohibits physical closeness with a beloved person. Furthermore, what that "physical closeness" entails is not the business of the clergy nor the state. We are NOT going to go back to the time of Leviticus when people were stoned to death for adultery, homosexuality and blasphemy.

I don't need to know how you express yourself about homosexual I will continue reading The Holy Bible the word of God and let the Holy Spirit teach me

Yes it is oppression to the the flesh. Truly. I have been feeling this lately.

3:40> SO TRUE!! There IS such freedom in following Jesus vs oneself! We humans have minds & hearts that change with the wind depending on mood, circumstance, enviroment (who's around), etc., Jesus stays the same & NEVER leads us wrong. Jesus is the one we can count on.

I don’t know. I know the passages against homosexuality. I know passages to stone adulterers, too. I know passages where it is said that women are not allowed to preach. And I know that there are WAY more passages about grace and forgiveness and love. I don’t think it’s that simple. For most gay Christians I know, to be told your way of loving is a reason for eternal punishment in a lake of fire makes life already a living hell. Extremely brutal IMO