I really like how you brought up the fact that the guard always catches when you make angle cuts and it's great to see these saws not have that problem

With Ryan's kzfaq.infoUgkxy_pn55PK60wAV3X_C_RoLS_67mNonoCE plan I was like one taken by the hand and led step by step from start to finish. Thank you very much Ryan!

"I like it when it's tight, that way it doesn't flop out when you're using it." You said a mouth full there my friend.

great info Kyle miss not having daily shows how's bathroom project coming along and thanks to your brother for toolsday video

Work took me to Fargo, ND this week. So, I couldn't resist a trip to Acme Tools store there. If you're a tool geek like me, it's unbelievable. Tool guy heaven! So much in stock. If you're used to the meager selections at the big box home stores like me, your jaw will drop when you walk in the door. Picked up the rear handle Milwaukee while I was there this morning and had to leave before I spent my next two paychecks! Can't wait to use it. If you have had a similar experience at another tool store somewhere, give us the rundown. I'm chomping at the bit to put this saw through it's paces.

So obvious you’re not just a guy doing reviews and that you actually work with the tools. You’re telling me what I want to know. Great job.

Thanks for making these videos. I'm looking at saws to replace the old corded saw I bought almost 25 years ago.

Great test and review. Both seem to be great saws. I own the dewalt and love it. I agree that the paddle safety release could be preferable if it’s required to hold it during the cut. I don’t find the button on my dewalt to be at all awkward though. The most important note being that once you’ve pulled the trigger, you can take your thumb off the safety. You can just hold the trigger and the saw will run until the trigger is released.

I just ordered this saw. Great video man! I love the thermal overload protection on the Milwaukee batteries, even though it may be an inconvenience at times, it does protect your investment for those apes out there pushing and abusing their tools at times. I'm guilty of that :) Thanks for video review! And nice 4K quality. Excellent!

That thing is STRONG! I like it a lot. Thanks for the awesome video Kyle!

Great video as always. Glad Milwaukee finally made a blade left 7 1/4. I returned the older style 7 1/4 gen1 and use the 6 1/2 for that reason. Would definitely buy this saw and stay on the platform, but my 6 1/2 has been fine so far. Having the extra depth though is a great thing.

Big fan man, love all the tool day stuff and I used your videos for information when I was building my shop. Just FYI go to the 7:03 mark where you are saying that Dewalt doesn't have the numbers on the front of the shoe. Look at the ribs and you can see a 0,1, & 2. thanks again for all the videos!

Milwaukee's Red Lithium/Fuel technology is supposed to shut the battery down if the demand is past a certain threshold regardless of temperature. It's protecting the cells from possible damage due to excessive discharge too quickly. Great test and thanks for sharing.

Yup, always better for it to be tight so it doesn't flop out when your using it.

So so informative and great presentation. Good job Kyle.

Great video man... From the screen it's looks like that the Dewalt is smoother and powerful. ... Thanks a lottt

Hi Kyle, happens to me today. Made a 6m (18ft?) Full depth cut rippin a 2x4 with the Makita DHS 680. 5amh 18v. Batteries these days are safer, and intelligent. They protect themself before overhead or overload or overuse. Protect the price tools we use and keep us safe ;)

The 3amp battery would probably hold up decently with cross cuts. I have a regular 7¼ fuel circular saw and have found small batteries do ok cross cutting but not so much with rip cuts.

Great Video . The Milwaukee seems like an excellent saw and it better be they've had all this time to engineer it to be the best out there. About Time Milwaukee....

From the video it looks like good saw, will have to check it out, thanks for the demo.

Glad you made a hip jack rafter cut. I have used the makita. Thinking I need the Milwaukee. Keep up the good work!

That Milwaukee saw is bad ass! Thanks for the video!

I tried cutting through 4 sheets of osb at a time without a problem using the mwaukee saw. Still not quite as powerful as a chord saw but it's definitely powerful enough. I cant believe how smooth it feels. Great video by the way!

The real test start at the 9:00 minute... you're welcome

Saw review...oh ya neat.... while I fantasize about that being my building in the background...lol... Good vid as always

Dude, the lawn is on point!

Thanks for the info- great video and comparing the two saws

My Skill 77 worm drive is 26 years old. Purchased when I was 32 years old. Used daily and never any maintenance. I love my corded saw. These new cordless saws are costly and battery life and replacement expensive. Not a good investment in my opinion . Way too much plastic also. Glad you find them good for your situation. But the money I saved on never buying another 7 1/4 saw helped send 2 kids to college and put food on the table. The cords on my job site would drive you crazy.

I bought the dewalt last year & run time was horrible. Plenty of power for sure but I was swapping batteries more then I was cutting. I have had the first Milwaukee 7 1/4 blade right for 4 years now & that cuts almost to a T on the amp hr for whatever battery I put on it & I have all the sizes . I sold the dewalt rear handle & bought gen 2 Milwaukee that came out last year. That saw has tons of power !! Just to be clear I’m framing all day with these saws cutting everything from 2X material to LVL to stacks of sheeting. My opinion Milwaukee batteries are longer run time by a lot over flex volt . I have plenty of both platforms. Just my opinion. Great video Kyle . Thanks bro 👍🏻🛠

Im on the milwaukee platform and I have just purchased this saw. I like both platforms, im just outfitted with milwaukee already. My coworker has the smaller dewalt saw, and I have been using it over the last week and it is comfortable... Im anxious to use this saw at work

I have the milwweaukee 7.1/4 left hand circular saw . And it works fantastic and I waiting on the right hand saw tools

Each use different battery, so if you have multiple tool brand it is likely a huge job to manage all of the different chargers at least.

I like the Milwaukee skid router and also the hand band saw.

For future reference, the XC6.0 High Output, and then the XC8.0 HO or HD9.0, in that order, would be the next best choice after the HD12.0 HO to run high-powered tools. Regarding the saw stalling on the CP3.0 HO - that battery can only produce 1/3 or less of the current (power) of the HD12.0 HO continuously, primarily due to having 1/3 the number of cells (5 instead of 15) internally, and less heatsink material. The limiting factor for lots of these batteries is heat output, as you saw with the thermal overload warning. You may not feel the heat on the outside of the battery, but the cells inside probably exceeded 80C or 90C (design limit). Over the next 5 or 10 minutes you may feel the packs' outside temperature increase to some fraction of the cell's internal temperature. The glass fiber reinforced nylon pack casing has slightly better thermal conductivity than something like ABS plastic, but significantly lower than the battery metal touching the temperature sensor. Milwaukee decided to stick with 18V, and as you noticed, the saw does "work" on the CP3.0. In a pinch, you could finish up a job on whatever spare batteries you had lying around, which is not the case for the 60V only Dewalt tools (Flexvolt Advantage yada yada). But in order to keep pace with other tool manufacturers, the tool powers had to be increased, which meant increased current, and only the largest batteries put out anywhere near what the big saw motors can use. I was pretty surprised you managed to push the Milwaukee saw as fast as you did without stalling. If you'd treated it like a lower power saw given that you put a lower power battery in it, you may have been able to complete the cut. The High Output batteries are "high output" relative to the original M18 RedLithium battery series, but they do not each put out the _same_ power. All High Output batteries to date use 21700 cells (probably Samsung SDI). The HD12.0 HO uses 15 cells, the XC6.0 HO & XC8.0 HO use 10, and CP3.0 HO uses 5. The XC8.0 HO use a variation of the cell in the XC6.0 HO designed for improved runtime over highest power, and the HD9.0 uses 3 sets of 18650 cells which come out to about the same performance as the XC8.0 HO. Each set of 5 cells gets you around 600-800 Watts peak for short durations, limited by internal temperature. If the saw wants say 1500W to cut at a reasonable speed on a 45 bevel, then a 5 cell battery would be loaded to about 200% rated power and immediately overheats, as you experienced. The 10 cell on the other hand is loaded to about 100% rated power and lasts a while, but pushing any harder also leads to thermal shutdown. On the other hand, that 15 cell battery, with 3x 600W cell banks to get 4Ah capacity per bank, is only operating at 85% rated power and continues to chug along until the low voltage protection kicks in.

I run the 9.0 battery when my 12.0 is in the charger and it works great... no issues. Like how You're drive shed is Milwaukee colors too.

I'd buy the Milwaukee back in the day, and still buy it today...

i bet that 3.0 CP battery would do alright at cross cuts 90degree but ripping 2by at a 45 for 8' you can overheat the 9.0 doing a few of those in a row

I use the dewalt with a dablo blade everyday and it's great... i can cut sheeting or framing all day on 2 batteries... cutting rafters and facia where im doing bevels it takes about 4 batteries.

The thermal overload was probably to protect the battery from damage. Kind of a safety feature.

The excitement you show when using the Milwaukee tells me it’s gonna be the new go to, could be wrong, but idk

Cool beans. Waiting for you to test the Hilti worm drive style saw.

Considering I have the DeWalt, I can confirm over 300 cuts with a couple of rips in between. By the time I have made those cuts, the fast charger has already finished charging another 60v. I will not go to another plug-in saw again.

Black Friday / Christmas purchase for sure.

Excellent as usual!!!

I see carson wentz quit football and went to tool reviews. and hes great at it!

I have used dewalt for a year and a half since I get used to its weight I have not had any problem is a beast. The only thing I don't like is the hole where the sawdust leaves and Milwaukee is identical to Dewalt.

Makita = 2-9/16", Milwaukee = 2-1/2", DeWalt = 2-7/16", so the Makita is the only one that can reliably cut 3x material in one pass, if that's something that matters to you (2.5" thick material including floor joists with 2x3 chords).

Great video thanks for the tool test side by side. Do you know when we can by it. I haven’t seen it yet at Home Depot?

Awesome video, I don’t have any of these saws but I do have the makita 36v rear handle circular saw. Personally I like Milwaukee tools, most of my personal carpentry tools are Milwaukee with the exception of my rear handle saw.

Another Awesome review !!!!!!! thanks i have the Makita and it a great saw!

Hello Kyle, It would be nice to see a sawdust chute exiting off the side opposite to where the blade is that you are watching. Notice both aren't good at that. Great that Milwaukee gives a good sight line. Be nice to see if those guards hang up on thin material. !/4" ply etc. One of my pet peeves is both the push button safety and guards that hang up. Good video. Take care. Doug

Nice saws, BUT, I would like to see these saws with a rotating handle for those angled cuts.

No doubt the dewalt 577 is powerful. I was on the fence about these two circular saws. What helped me make my decision was that milwaukee was on sale and the dewalt wasnt. No regrets

Milwaukee is the way to go. I have both and I'll give DeWalt praise because it does what it does... Milwaukee is my go to though and it's never let me down

Ever seen the Roofus 10 in 1 square? It’s pretty handy & really like it. The Martinez square is nice too. Get the same thing from having the Roofus cuz of price etc....but the tools we use help make us money & if they can also speed up the work, along w/ feeling good in the hand f using them over & over; well worth the money, in my opinion. Just like circ saws. Some ppl would never spend $300-$500 on a Saw, but others do & enjoy using the tool. Nothing wrong with that if you like it, can afford it, & it works for you & gets the job done😉 The only complaints I have w/ Milwaukee circ saw(which are not deal breakers at all for me): there is no stops on bevel adjust, & the sawdust shoot isn’t always ideal.....hoping they make different accessories that can be attached to it to direct flow of dust in different directions, besides the hose attachment they have. Other than those....happy w/ what Milwaukee made(still can’t believe they didn’t do bevel stops....really 😉) & just might replace my corded Skil Circ Saw full time🤔 Great vid, glad I found your channel from watching Essential Craftsman (recommend to me long ago). Cheers✌🏼

I found out the battery thing when I tried a 2.0 in my sawzall. same thing. thermal overload then right back to full charge. I think it must just be too much of a draw on the smaller pack, Awesome vid as always!

Funny you mention the Diablo blades. I have stopped using them and have gone back to the Dewalt framing blades. I find they last longer and go into material easier !!

Tnx for the info Milwaukee rocks like it very much.

Hey brother RR BUILDING. Make video comparison on the new wormdrive cordless too skilsaw cordless vs those two rear handle. Thanks happy holidays!

Yeah this saw is awesome didnt know how new it was when i got it but i bet it would do just fine with a reg. Xc battery run time/battery life may vary ive used my 6.0s high output 5.0s and my 9.0s and ive had know problem with it im using a diablo 24 tooth blade havnt used the stock blade yet but it aweome i have wet dreams about this saw.

Nice comparison, thanks a lot. That Milwaukee has two great advantages you pointed out or demonstrated.

Great review

Can u do some comparisons in tool quality after a couple years of rugged use i wanna know how tools stand up to day to day abuse

First thinf i noticed when i bought the milwaukee was that the blade cover never caught on the material. My m18 fuel 6 1/2 inch catches basically every time and its super annoying so i definitely loved that about it. Has great power. Just a little heavy and i use the 8 xc battery. Nice review thanks for the info

Cyle you overloaded the Temp sensor not the batteries. Very common on a small 5 cell battery pack by the way.

it's so nice hear I'm gonna stand in the shade

I want the Milwaukee thx for the review

if you put the flex volt 12 amp/hr battery in there and you have the same battery pretty much.

Great Video. People complain that DeWalt introduced a new battery platform and with Makita you need 2 for some of their tools. But, Milwaukee essentially has 2 battery platforms as well, hidden within the same voltage category. A lot of their new tools require High Output batteries and will not work properly on almost all of their other M18 batteries. With some tools you are limited to 1 or 2 battery choices, both above 200$. Just Saying.

You got a Diablo in the Dewalt.

Loved the video, I think the 3.0 might have had an amperage overload. That saw probably pulled too much at once with something that doesn't have that many cells in it

Thermal overload is basically due to how much power your drawing (in this case we will use amps) vs how large the battery is, 3ah vs 12ah. In battery terms it's call the discharge rate, I'm going to guess your high output 3ah battery is 30c rating, might be 20c. The saw is rated around 2400watts, so 20v would be 120amp draw, and divide that by the c discharge rating at 30c would be 4amps, over the 3ah rating, so it is not ideal for the battery and causing max tempature increase. On the 12ah battery, we will say it's 20c for large capactiy but lower draw (the tradeoff with batterys, large draws or long life), and we get 6ah being drawn out of that 12ah battery, so it shouldn't be getting hot. The second part would be the mass of the batteries themselves. The 12ah battery has more mass than the 3ah battery, so the 12ah will be harder to cool, as it also took longer to get hot. As for your last test, it shouldn't have been using the full power draw to do those cuts, so it was likely sliding in under 3ah draw instead of 4ah at the 30c rating.

Thermal overload tolerance lowered maybe due to battery chemistry or design? Batteries can't handle as much heat?

I rock both Platforms but got much more deWalt than Milwaukee. I do own the DeWalt with 9AH and use the Milwaukee with HO 12 AH daily and the only difference is the deWalt feels a tiny bit more power on straight cuts. Both are great saws with tons of power and nearly even feel the same. The DeWalt guard does get caught up much more on 45 cuts than the Milwaukee. Actually, i dont think the Milwaukee has ever got caught up. Great Vid!

I'm impressed by what that little 3AH HO pack could do. The cells in both M18 HO packs are impressive but the 12AH has a huge advantage on constant current ratings over the little 3AH. I don't know exactly what cells are in each but if we're talking Samsung 40T vs 30T, then the 12AH would have ~3x more constant current discharge rating.

When doing demanding cuts in extreme bevels I believe the saw was asking for more amps than the cp3.0 battery could provide thus the battery overload protection was tripped

My boss has the dewalt one works great that’s why I decided it to get me one I got the Milwaukee because i have more batteries for that they both work great

So weird to me when people talk about battery issues on the DeWalt wormdriveish. Today I cut rips in 3/4 ply all day on one 6ah flexvolt which is really 2ah all day long

Back blade squirm seem to be better on the Milwalkee which leads me to think that having that extra mass toward the rear like a worm-drive might be helping. There should be lots of LEDs on everything power tool-wise these days. Illumination is a great safety feature in my worthless opinion.

Great job, love tool tue.

Got the millwaukee on Saturday work with it the last couple of days home run.

Sparky channel thts wat this needs .

It would be majorly appreciated if possible to put each of the high output batteries on the Milwaukee, and a old 3.0, 5.0, 9.0, ideally measuring the current draw too

Great presentation and review. It's real world relevant. Comes down to "feel," "visibility," and battery options. The Dewalt is definitely louder with a more compact design. I doubt power/blade or whatever makes a difference. These are jobsite tools. Match your batteries and supply to one color (red or yellow). Bottom line- pro-grade, no b/s full disclosure reviewer with a real world layout and badass barn.

Great Vid Kyle! I love my m18 Fuel tools and my flexvolt tools. I like the new milwaukee better already. Just like you said, it's soooo smooth and really easy to see what's going on during the cut. On the subject of the HO cp3.0 battery. What happened was the motor was reaching for more current, and the battery didn't have it to offer. Because the redlink technology and the tool communicate, it shut it down to not over draw the battery or underpower the motor. For light duty you can get by with a couple of cuts on a small battery. But I think in all reality, that saw should never be ran on a 1p pack. I think at least a 2p pack like the HO xc6.0 is the smallest I'd run on the saw for ripping hard material at a long distance. That saw draws some current for sure. The best choice for it in all scenarios is clearly the 3p pack (the HO 12.0hd) but I haven't stalled mine out on the 2p HO xc8.0 either. Hey Thanks for the content man! 👍

Great video. I wish you have put the 5.0 AMP battery instead of the 3.0 AMP battery into the test. I have two 5 amp at hand.

The rafter hook on the dewalt looked like an antenna lol

Nice review Kyle! First off 70% of my work is done with M12, the best platform out there! And all my cutting is done with M18. I run m12/M18 at work, Makita 18 and adapters to run a few ridgid/Ryobi @ home for woodworking. I've never used blade left, east coast bias I guess. Everyone says having multiple brands isn't a big deal, financially however it is for batteries and chargers. Since I buy my own as an employee. On to these saws. I've picked up the makita 100's of times at stores and it is very heavy, compared to blade right. Almost all of my cuts are hidden inside posts, or side channels (think viny U channels). For ripping my gen 1 Fuel 7 1/4 has the best markings for finger rips. It's brighter then the typical dull magnesium slash marks, that you need to do mental math to know what they mean. I do love the led, even though I thought it a gimmick when they came out for low lighted areas. Regarding the paddle safety, vs push button. I'm always trying for a scratch free cut, (powdercoated aluminum/extruded vinyl get scratches when cutting on a flat surface), so I'm always cutting with extreme end on the ground. Maybe because I have small hands, but the paddle always makes me contort my saw hand, or ^? I own and have tried the subcompact, and regular 6.5 Makita saws for my job. Fence and handrails can be thin vinyl (harmonics of both Makita's shatter on every rip), vinyl with aluminum inside, aluminum only, wood, and vinyl with wood inside. For steel I do love my Makita 5 7/8 saw! In the end your unique job, will determine your battery platform, which influences which saw you will pick. I think I'm right in saying a 12 ahr is roughly 8x the storage of a 3ahr, it's not as simple as dividing.. Although 60amp is a different level. I've thermaled every M18 battery I've had, but have not had to replace any in 4 years. Thanks again stomping horses!

Ordered my own!

The stopping on the Milwaukee saw is a feature to stop kick back.

I'm curious about what the difference in power between the 8.0 and 12.0. The 8.0 is more portable.

That's a good sun tan mate!

Watching your hands, it looks like you are much more comfortable with the Milwaukee, especially in the miter and plywood rip. The Milwaukee pulls power out of the small battery faster than it is designed to put out so it overheats. The extra cells in the big battery, some in parallel, some in series, means no cell gets overworked. Cross cutting 2x's with the 3ah battery is probably good.

Kyle, the 18 volt verses 20 volt battery is marketing hype. The nominal voltage of the internal cells is either 3.6 volts. Milwaukee uses nominal voltage, De Walt uses charged voltage. 10 cells wired 5P or parallel in a 2S or series configuration gives you 18 volts, which is how Milwaukee rates their battery packs. De Walt uses charged voltage of 4.2 volts per cell, or actually 21 volts. If you take a multimeter and check the voltage on the De Walt and the Milwaukee battery pack, you'll get the same voltage results.

I think the new batteries have overload protection. Not just overheating but also if the tool is too high demand such as a chainsaw or this circular saw.

I decided to go with the Dewalt 577 and love the thing. It has what feels like endless torque and tons of battery life. I really feel like I made the right choice.

That’s never going to fall out cuz I have had the Allen wrench from the other model for two years and never lost it

Cool video, love the comparison. However; Theory time! Lol I do know that on most of the new if not all of the new Milwaukee products, regardless the line, have a "tool protection mode". So maybe the tool either caught something in the piece of lumber or it just didn't like the speed you were trying to push? ... Just a theory 😎👍

The dewalt is perfect for loading your shoe full of sawdust. Also when I'm cutting tails it shoots the dust in the line of site of your lines. Not sure of the milwaukee. You can't really compare them unless you use the same blade.

I’ve only used direct drive circular saws. I have a corded Makita my dad bought in the 80s when he was building houses & it’s the only circular saw I’ve owned. Getting ready to buy a Milwaukee M18 circular saw. How are the worm gear saws compared to the direct drive? Are they easier to align & track?