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Mindscape 127 | Erich Jarvis on Language, Birds, and People

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Sean Carroll

Sean Carroll

Күн бұрын

Many characteristics go into making human beings special - brain size, opposable thumbs, etc. Surely one of the most important is language, and in particular the ability to learn new sounds and use them for communication. Many other species communicate through sound, but only a very few - humans, elephants, bats, cetaceans, and a handful of bird species - learn new sounds in order to do so. Erich Jarvis has been shedding enormous light on the process of vocal learning, by studying birds and comparing them to humans. He argues that there is a particular mental circuit in the brains of parrots (for example) responsible for vocal learning, and that it corresponds to similar circuits in the human brain. This has implications for the development of intelligence and other important human characteristics.
Erich Jarvis received his Ph.D. in Animal Behavior and Molecular Neurobehavior from Rockefeller University. He is currently a professor in the Laboratory of Neurogenetics of Language at Rockefeller and an investigator at the Howard Hughes Medical Institute. Among his many awards are the Alan T. Waterman Award from the National Science Foundation, an American Philosophical Society Award, a Packard Foundation fellowship, an NIH Director’s Pioneer award, Northwestern University’s Distinguished Role Model in Science award, and the Summit Award from the American Society for Association Executives.
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@JonathanBrown1
@JonathanBrown1 3 жыл бұрын
Quite a guy! Thanks for bringing him in. Interesting how, the longer you two talked, the more interesting he became. Hidden depths.
@JonathanBrown1
@JonathanBrown1 3 жыл бұрын
@Laura I did a little digging. Turns out he has published on these "hidden depths" and is leading big international efforts to get high quality genomes of all animals. Check out his Rockefeller website and this Science article science.sciencemag.org/content/366/6461/50
@CoreyAnton
@CoreyAnton 3 жыл бұрын
Whereas bats use echolocation to navigate to a spatial location, humans use language to co-navigate to/co-create a future situation.
@nfiu
@nfiu 3 жыл бұрын
+100
@HarryNicNicholas
@HarryNicNicholas 2 жыл бұрын
there is a species of bat that can convert sonar to a 3D image.
@HarryNicNicholas
@HarryNicNicholas 2 жыл бұрын
55:00 pinky and the brain. interesting if somewhat bumpy discussion, lots of new information - thanks!!
@andrear.berndt9504
@andrear.berndt9504 3 жыл бұрын
Ah, a fascinating topic!
@SCP-00
@SCP-00 3 жыл бұрын
لماذا لاتوجد ترجمة؟؟
@SCP-00
@SCP-00 3 жыл бұрын
@@aurelienyonrac wa alaykum alsalam.. I said: why is not the translation of the Arabic language
@producer2123
@producer2123 Жыл бұрын
This is a fascinating conversation.
@yafy.5158
@yafy.5158 3 жыл бұрын
My best regards from Amsterdam, great subject!
@Life_42
@Life_42 Жыл бұрын
Lovely episode!
@Cotten-
@Cotten- 3 жыл бұрын
Another good one Sean. Thanks
@r4ndomboy
@r4ndomboy 3 жыл бұрын
I could not quite follow the part where they discuss how speech is associated with predation. Can anyone explain a bit?
@charliekirkham4336
@charliekirkham4336 3 жыл бұрын
I think the idea of eusociality might have been useful for this conversation. It often includes the tendency to manipulate the environment and communicate.
@woody7652
@woody7652 3 жыл бұрын
Birds are right up my tree! People are not bad either.
@Quazi-moto
@Quazi-moto 3 жыл бұрын
"People are not bad either." That's debatable. Unfortunately.
@BrianBiscione
@BrianBiscione 3 жыл бұрын
Muy bueno Sean! muy interesante, gracias.
@dionysianapollomarx
@dionysianapollomarx 3 жыл бұрын
I guess the word he's looking for isn't syntax but heuristics. Birds have great long term memory, and they apply this in place of actual syntax and deliberate decision making.
@coreyrachar9694
@coreyrachar9694 3 жыл бұрын
adds every 10 minutes, absolutely brutal.
@rajeevgangal542
@rajeevgangal542 3 жыл бұрын
Try Spotify or Google podcast since video is optional anyway!
@chrisrecord5625
@chrisrecord5625 3 жыл бұрын
You have an option. Patreon subscribers don't have commercials, although, they don't bother me😊
@nathanaelsmith3553
@nathanaelsmith3553 3 жыл бұрын
I think what you post in the comments affects what ads you get shown
@coreyrachar9694
@coreyrachar9694 3 жыл бұрын
@Laura lol yup, me too
@rumidude
@rumidude 3 жыл бұрын
I'm worried about talking mice now.
@bloqueado
@bloqueado 3 жыл бұрын
I can't understand how Koko the gorilla is taken seriously. Seriously, have you guys seen her turing test?
@joshua3171
@joshua3171 3 жыл бұрын
"The mice will see you now."
@HarryNicNicholas
@HarryNicNicholas 2 жыл бұрын
it's a trap.
@PeterKertesz2013
@PeterKertesz2013 3 жыл бұрын
Great content but the advertisements are made me unsubscribe. ( all of the ads should be at the beginning of the videos...)
@PeterKertesz2013
@PeterKertesz2013 3 жыл бұрын
@Laura thanks for the advice but actually I meant the verbal advertisement of the theoretical physicist (surely very smart and probably not financially struggling) )creator.. Yes, the disgusting KZfaq ads that are placed in the middle of songs are beautiful too.
@JonathanBrown1
@JonathanBrown1 3 жыл бұрын
Support him on Patreon, as I do, and you get the podcasts without the ads. I don't actually bother to access the podcast thru Patreon but I might in future, as the ads are getting more numerous and intrusive. My support is mainly in appreciation for his Biggest Ideas in the Universe series that has taught me a lot of physics at a deeper level than I can find elsewhere without trying to become a physicist.
@PeterKertesz2013
@PeterKertesz2013 3 жыл бұрын
@@JonathanBrown1 Thank you, I'll check on the Patreon option.
@mariantoniamiceli8059
@mariantoniamiceli8059 3 жыл бұрын
some time ago I was talking to a lizard who frequented my terrace, I think he listened to me ah ah
@nathanaelsmith3553
@nathanaelsmith3553 3 жыл бұрын
I've taught my cat to say 'hello'. He doesn't have the muscular aparatus to pronounce it properly but it's definitely 'hello' ('errow'). He only says it as a greeting and only to me. What? I'm not crazy.
@chrisrecord5625
@chrisrecord5625 3 жыл бұрын
A woman walks up to a librarian and asks, "Do you have any books on Pavlov's dogs and Schrodinger's cat?" The librarian replies, "It rings a bell, but I don't know if it's here or not."
@redhaze8080
@redhaze8080 3 жыл бұрын
40:12 A Zebra Finch is my best friend! free range in my flat. He's not the sharpest chook with his peers.. but he is so good at listening and communicating with me. He's my best, biggest chook, 11 grams (he may not actually be the biggest!) . Top chook, does what i tell him even when it pushes on his instincts. i got him very young and he was caged with older mates that were raping him.
@tethergobrrr
@tethergobrrr 3 жыл бұрын
If a cat never sees or hears a bird do they still have that kakakaka sound in their vocab? (I’ve always assumed that’s their attempt at a bird impression - i.e. a learned sound.)
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