2023 :- VTEC kicked in YO! 2024 :- Brakes on fire YO!

I think Model 3 Performance need "Track Package" like the Model S Plaid, to have bigger brake kit + more aggressive alignment + different software calibration. Otherwise for now this is mainly to embarrass supercar off traffic light, and embarrass itself on the circuit.

This shows once more how impressive the thermal management of the Hyundai Ioniq 5N is

Is this a record for the brakes to give up... ? 😬

„Hyundai Ionic 5N please hold my beer.“ Two laps no temperature or brake problems out of the box.

Ioniq 5N for the win

Damn, I love the accent of the owner. It's absolutely unique and sounds very clear and distinctive. Love the new colour on the M3P as well. Tesla needs to come up with a track pack with upgraded brakes and pads ASAP!

Hyundai ioniq 5 N

Look at me … now I am getting excited about disk upgrade on a Tesla. The current setup doesn’t seem to be the name performance worthy. Live the enthusiasm of the owner. Keep us up to date!!

Tesla, the following realization occurs to me: The vehicles are built and tested in California. The developers themselves, who certainly drive these vehicles privately, drive them in this region, with the US mindset Performance means drag race (1/4 & 1/2 mile), speed means 85 mph (137 km/h) more is not allowed anyway. And no one needs a working automatic windshield wiper, it never rains in California anyway.

Its INSANE that Tesla still delivers 'Performance' cars that are so underbraked. I remember how Audi got flamed when they put bad brakes in the Rs3...

Tesla @ Fuchsröhre: "Your brake subscription has ended"

Seeing that it was set on 3/4 regen., if I'm interpreting the display correctly, it's kind of crazy that the disc brake performance went that fast. Suspension seems very compliant and yet not boaty though, which is a mixture of qualities I always appreciate.

The new Model 3 "Temporary Performance" model..

5N has much better temp management

Even if the brakes are upgraded, the car won’t last a full lap on power

Seems like a really good guy. Looking forward to the next video when he returns with upgraded brakes!

Ioniq 5 N is still better 🤷‍♂

it obviously needed better pads and some active aero to duct a lot of air to the brakes, Tesla still just doesn’t understand track driving

The tension is completely different when Misha driving Ioniq 5N, so it's over the game. 😂😂

lasted only 1 minute and 55 seconds... lol

The fact that Ioniq5N can complete 2 laps of Nurburgring without the overheating and braking issues contrary to this Tesla makes me surprised! Good job Hyundai!

Brakes can be upgraded, but it's impossible to reduce high battery temperatures.

Still a bit of an embarrassment that it can’t even do 1/4 or 1/2 without loosing brakes or power due to limitations. Struggled to take a fiesta in the end 😂

It’s clear that Tesla power is designed to just drag race from stop light to stop light a few times.

I guess the Ioniq 5 N would be the performance electric car to get, right? Just costs a tiny bit more but way more power, lasts 2 full laps, and even has the simulated ICE dual clutch experience as well. I like Tesla but for having fun it seems like every reviewer absolutely loves the Ioniq 5 N and it seems to offer objectively way more than the Tesla model 3 performance.

Why is everyone saying the PERFORMANCE model needs a track pack with better brakes? Bro, this is the PERFORMANCE model, it should already have some sort of track pack with the best brakes it can 🤷‍♂️

Awesome! I just picked up identical M3P in Ultra Red and gave back my 2021 M3P. The diff is not incremental but monumental! I'd love to see the video after upgraded brakes! Will be watching!

It really makes you wonder how Hyundai did it on the Ionic 5 N...

'Track mode' 'Performance Model' and is shit on a track. Tesla is the definition of fake it till you make it

How has tesla not learned its lesson yet? The brakes were the main complaint of basically every single one of the brands performance models. They really need to give these cars better brakes, or at least better brake cooling.

The M2 soundtrack was the best part of the vídeo 🤣

Misha: - Hey brakes? Brakes: - Yep? Misha: - Bye bye!

Get an ionic5 n

Yes, +60 °C is full power limit (UK owner asked Tesla). Nice lap for a stock car and there is apparenly what what you get - heatpump is underpowered to could batrery down. I did not know, that in +50°C the power restriction kicks already in. The only way would be modding of the heat pump and/or intercooler on battery loop. The car is very quiet over 200 km/h speeds. Stock suspension bottoms out relatively easily on top speeds (from other videos), so be careful out there if not upgraded.

Death machine on the track.

They're good for about 5 minutes 👍

That happens when you buy a car that only was build to beat cars on the straight ... Tesla is and never will be a Racecar for a Track, no matter how many Performance Pack they put on it

2:33 - Misha i believe the reason the tires are so good (other than them obviously being Pirellis) is those are the EV specific tires that were originally developed in conjunction with Lucid for the mighty 900v Air Sedan, because IIRC that's the vehicle on which those EV specific Pirellis made their debut with the car's debut back in 2021 with those ones now being specifically tweaked for the HM3P. for additional reference, Pirelli also just worked with Ford/Stard to make EV specific tires for their latest 1600HP F150 Lightning Electric Super Truck which recently ran Pikes Peak 2024 with Romain Dumas driving (again) taking this years Top Time Overall with an 8min 53sec.553... so indeed the current tire supplier to Formula 1 has SIMULTANEOUSLY been "super interested" in gathering data from high TQ/heavy weight EV's for some time, and directing it back into making a better EV specific tire for Production cars.

Tesla 3 "50% Performance". Just "Track" mode give you 5%+ Hope 😂

Positives: Nice seats...

Power Maximum! 5sek = 402kw 90sek = 339kw Cold Down 120sek = 330kw 180sek = 310kw 240sek = 238kw 280sek = 200kw 310sek = 168kw

Yay! Temperatures visible!

In Turkey we have Körfez Track. Teslas are coming and going very soon because of breake failure. All Teslas need to upgrade disks for track use I guess.

Tesla 🤝 Bad brakes

I loved the video. All the stats of motor, inverter, battery temps, max discharge and mac regen is awesome. thank you!

Thank you so much. I have the new MP3 in Australia and will be taking it to a small handling circuit next week. My previous car, stock i30N had brake fade here after 3 hard laps but was manageable by braking a bit earlier. I think Tesla should recall and upgrade these cars if they’re not built for purpose as advertised. The problem is they’re playing a numbers game here, most performance car owners (probably 99%) never track their cars. Did the owner of this car bed the brakes in at all? What level of regen was used on this lap?

In my opinion, Tesla forgot the real meaning of "Performance".

I feel like Hyundai actually got it right and Tesla just hasn't learned its lesson...

Thanks for posting. I always wanted to see that "shortcut" and now I have.

아이오닉N이 대단하긴한거구나.. 테슬라는 열관리가 전혀안되네.

다들 테슬라타면서 99% 서킷으로 가져 갈 일이 없다면서 필요없다는 자기위로 하는지 모르겠습니다. 왜 람보르기니와 페라리가 공도에서 멋저보입니까? 그들은 서킷에서도 잘 달리기떄문입니다. 그들은 일반공도에서 천천히 60KM로 다녀도 멋져보입니다 왜냐면 그들은 힘을 숨기고 있기때문입니다.

motor and battery early give up (temperature high. limp mode. power decrease)- ioniq5N is the better than driving in track.

If you turn off the regen completely, the brake will die earlier.

Hyundai Ioniq 5N is much better

Can’t really call it a performance car when the brakes are that bad… yikes

테슬라 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 아이오닉5 N 따라올 차가 없구나

Soon I'll get my answer from the court here in Norway if I win my case against Tesla for the horrible brakes on my Plaid. Long story short; it was markedet as a car you could drive on the track, but the brakes overheat after two corners. Hopefully a win here will get them to improve brakes on all their "track cars".

Hi Misha! Thank you for making these awesome videos! One thing that stands out to me is the glare in some of your videos. We all know about a polarized glasses for this exact problem. I believe a polarized camera case, lense or film would make your videos much clearer, more enjoyable, and professional. Keep up the great work! 🇨🇿🇺🇸

Is this Nurburgring? Damn, love to drive on this track one day.

Performance in Teslas means being faster to 37mph than the Diesel estate next to you at the traffic light. Thats it

Telemetry showing peaks of 402kW which is 540HP, so it easely gets 500HP at the wheels!

Wow that color is insanely good

It’s a great verdict. It’s really fast in public roads and has a great seating position + visibility. Breakers can be changed. You could either start with a lower SOC and take in more regen (save the brakes) but also risk overheating Battery. I Brakes are upgraded, turn off regen, start with full battery (higher SOC means higher voltage, thus lower Amps and lower heat loss). You also might wanna start with a colder battery (can it pre cool?) I’d be curious to see the differences.

You still can't catch the white car that overtook you at the beginning of the race. 😂 It looks fast with an amazing exhaust sound.

Misha out there putting Teslas on the stress bench.

Love the old style architecture, and seeing the drive out and to the ring. Would that be Bavarian style buildings? I use them in OpenTDD and Farm Sim

I believe Brembo supplies both the calipers and the pads, so I'm not sure why Brembo wouldn't spec a better pad compound. Unless Tesla asked them to prioritize characteristics like brake noise and dust. Of course its possible there is also a big difference in cost, and Tesla wanted to hit a certain price point for this car.

I love this car,is so fast and so good handling but for track needs biggest brakes 💪💪💪

SUPER INTERESTING to watch your throttle on the track. before the break issues..

I drive a Tesla model 3 and a g80. This is why a Tesla can’t keep up with the g80. It’s not about the 0-100 performance. It’s about the whole package. If you are buying a Tesla, you are only looking at the boobs, if you know what I am talking about.

Regen cooks up the battery for sure

Tesla braucht ein Track Paket als Option mit großen bremsen ggf sogar carbon, extra kühlsystem, reifen und aufhängung dann wäre es auch was für den track sonst ist es nur für die Ampel...

중국싼 싼 배터리 쓰고 테슬라 모델브랜드 가치만 믿고 만든차는 절대로 서킷에 가져가지마세요. 서킷용으로 만든차가아니라 서킷용으로 만들기술이 없습니다. 그냥 출퇴근용으로 조용히 모델브랜드가치만 믿고 80~100KM로 달릴거라면 뭐 나쁘지않은 선택이겠지요. 하지만 서킷도 제대로 못달리는차에 고급이라니.. 왜 람보르기니가 일반도로에서 멋져보이는지 아십니까? 그들은 서킷에서도 잘 달리기떄문입니다. 전기차에서 배터리라는것은... 내연기관에서 엔진입니다 매우 중요한 부분입니다!!!! 이것을 값 싼 중국제로쓴다니. 참 아이러니하지요 이래서 브랜드가 중요합니다.

So the Ioniq 5 N is 10k more in Germany and is a real performance car. I don't think it's even competition because you would need to compare to a Model Y but still

Afternoon Misha, have you ever considered using a 360 degree camera such as the insta 360 in the rear glass for a pseudo 3rd person effect? Would it be possible to test such a camera angle to see viewer opinion/reaction to the change?

That battery percentage drop though :O

Better brakes and reduced regen should solve battery and heating issue.

Finaly a really good and responsive interface for EV car statistics. Is this some king of special tracking device or infotainment addon?

9.0 minute lap. The handling cannot be that brillant.

LOOK at the scrub @ 2:37 on those super low pro tires!!!! Misha was working that car HARD. Awesome car, awesome driver.

They may have acceleration but not much else goin for it

You have to turn on track mode to cool the battery and turn the regen off so the brakes are constantly working and won't overheat

I’ve owned a Model 3 for years and I drive it spiritedly. Also driven most every Tesla modal. The brakes are a weak point on all of them. Most people who drive them normally rely on the regen braking and don’t need to touch the crappy mechanical brakes. Hit the track and it’s a different story. Brake upgrades / track packs are a must on these cars for hard driving.

Tesla: "Sorry to brake it to you..."

Does it add rotation by applying brakes? Wondering why it smoked that early.

Pirelli Tires are amazing. I would take them over any other tires. I drove a very crazy pass with perfect roads for years in Northern California and always pushed my cars to the limit. I always liked my Pirelli tires more than my Michelins. My new car comes with Michelins - so I’ll have to deal with them until I’m ready for a new set in 9-12 months.

Most EVs need expensive carbon ceramic brakes to be driven in the track extensively except Ioniq 5N. Ioniq 5N has 0.6g regen brakes that can share the load with the mechanical brakes.

Even though teslas regen method is excellent for daily driving, its not actually ideal. As nice as the one pedal driving is, its actually better to coast on the highways than to regen. Regen is more useful and efficient in low speed driving. Furthermore Teslas dont actually regen to a high degree. Something like the Ioniq 5 N regens significantly more with the N pedal or whatever. That helps a ton on track because it uses the brakes a lot less

Thumbs up for the thumbnail alone. Absolutely hilarious!!!

Would love to see how the battery temps increase when running on the Autobahn with higher speeds over a longer period of time. Will they overheat too? Or is this just a track specific thing?

Tesla - 'It's really, really hard to engineer a car for the track, but we're still king of the EVs' Hyundai - 'Hold my beer'

the battery temperature increasing speed is crazy! what's wrong with this car?

Wow, would love to see it again with brake upgrade! edit: sounds like the owner is gonna try : )

should I wait for a needed “Track Pack”? pads won’t solve this issue right?

that acelaration wow.. but the weight.. dear lord those breaks

1:15 He said the range is about 300 km on the highway at 150 kph, or 186 miles range travelling at 90 mph ...

Maybe a bigger radiator or a coolant reservoir to help keep the battery temps down a bit? Obviously needs better brakes, but sounds like they have some brakes coming soon.

I hope they reduce the regen when testing with the new brakes. Lower regen will reduce inverter and battery temp increase during the run.

The new Tesla Model 3 'Halfassed Performance'