Fr! Love the way he ties it all together.

It's one of the main reasons why I love this channel, honestly. No one ever talks about the indigenous population and lore beforehand or at all and I find it really interesting to know the background and beliefs

Honestly same. The way my brain works, is if I don’t have all of the foundational knowledge I cannot grasp it and form my own opinion. Knowing everything is so cool

​@@Paradox_Incognitowhy would they. It's not related

I love the history lessons introducing the mysteries.

Who is Grady Whitehead?

@@tonics7121someone didn’t watch the video

@@tonics7121A legend in the smokies.

@@tonics7121He’s the President of Nigeria.

​@@FearEeatsTheSoul Gradys full name was "Grady Whitehead Sanford." He worked at his fathers Junkyard named "Sanford and Sons." I've seen video footage of this so its absolute fact.

I brake for Bigfoot. And Bigfoot could drive a flatbed truck w the Loch Ness creature.

Bigfoot could drive a monster truck if it were up to me

I know it's difficult for some, but a simple search would tell you that American Media has been writing about Sasquatch, Bigfoot or Hairy Giants for 300 years. Spanish stories from 1600's, Jesuit from 1700's and even Theodore Roosevelt from 1893 are some examples, but there are many stories between and they're constant, all the way up until today. Journalists couldn't write fast enough for British and European readers.

Touché. Touché

Bigfoot is a Wookie. He can drive a spacecraft.

To be clear: I didn’t know that mountain men were a “myth” til the last year or so.

I appreciate your truth, thanks for sharing.

People need to start flying drones to locate these mountain men

Where do these mountain folks come from? Are they native, Caucasian? Where do they mostly live?

Wow that makes sense!

Are there rangers there? I wonder if they stumble on things

@@VMM34 I'm sure they do from time to time, but the park is over half a million acres. It's like trying to hit a fly on the wall with a dart from across the room.

This is true, not 10 years ago, in the mountains there was a property dispute, and one ma shot and killed the neighbor, and got away with it... Grandview ,Tennessee (Rhea County) weird spelling bc when speaking it sounds like Ray, and not bc of our accents..

I'm a local and yep that is true, *except:* there's not a lot of shady stuff. Locals know *it's too spooky* for making anything beyond moonshine and others find out quick enough when they try. I'll say what I've said to everyone else: Be prepared to run into anything from natural creatures to spirits, (especially in the abandoned old cabins and homes) or running into someone who may be hostile and armed, but they aren't protecting anything illegal. They're protecting the entire forest from outsiders. It is sacred ground, no matter what the government says. If you ask the rangers for help they just say "hold my beer" while they throw another log on their fire, then tell you to fk off home outta their woods.

The only real Spooky thing about those areas and what I find the real REAL problem is Wildlife is the most desensitized to humans that I have ever seen despite traveling a lot. Even the birds and friggin Insects like butterflies have zero regard for humans. The geese will block traffic when the light changes to extort people for food forcing you to throw off to the side of the road or miss the light, bears with their cubs walk down the middle of the main street following trash trucks, birds will land right next to you and just look at you waiting for you to feed them your food. While its cool and all such a setup is a recipe for disaster when we are talking someone even mildly away from civilization yet around the same type of critters one sees in the cities like Gatlinburg. Hell... Shit I seen around there I wouldnt be shocked if a bear stole my dudes motor cycle after leading him into a cave with promise of free moonshine and too this day coyotes stand guard and refuse to let the man out so their boy the bear can go on a joy ride.@@AngelfromGenX

You know, that one hadn’t occurred to me

You know how many times I forgot to turn off the starter on my ATVs? But its plausible

@@TheLoreLodge As for the "drug deal gone bad" angle... maybe the reason the deal went bad... was because a guy who wasn't supposed to be there... was.? It's a thing I've seen in a few cases, and seemingly HAS happened, is that sometimes you're the loose end, YOU are the witness that needed silenced.

I guess I'm not sold on the key and acc switch issue as lore lodge is.

@@marhawkman303 WRONG PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME HAS COST MANY OF US DEARLY!!

I remember watching that segment on Unsolved Mysteries That case was also in Tennessee

@@petegorman9547I also came to comment that I remember that on Unsolved Mysteries!

Yo to be Honest I'm tired of this guy's shit

That was a local story

I've lived in both Maryville and Signal mtn. area, so crazy.

Wow that does sound like an interesting story Let's hope he will cover it sometime.

Email 'em it so they actually see this

That sounds interesting. I’m actually looking for something different as I am getting bored of the usual stuff Cheers

What was the book called

@@rollindownhill531 hi there there’s an episode on Elizabeth Canning over on YT channel brief case it’s around 17 mins long. But exactly a book but it’s a good video.

yep, I've stumbled into a sketchy looking shack area in a national park before while trying to find our camp site in the days before Google maps with location tracking, dogs started barking at us and we got the fuck out of there real quick

Your correct save , except that not every off the grid person is a kiddnapping murderer. Statistically most off the grid people are the opposite of kidnapping murderer.

Yeah there's some people in the mountains that value their privacy but they aren't inherently dangerous. They know and understand that killing or abducting someone is only going to bring law enforcement and park rangers into the area. The most they would do is threaten. Also, the feral "wildman" theory has never been really confirmed or proven. Just a myth. There's actuslly more evidence and witness sightings for bigfoot in that area then feral humans.

I’m more afraid of the living

@@neryxeldra5093I’d like to think I’m not a kidnapping murderer. Not far enough off the grid to have internet. Lol. Just a nature lover.

Out of curiosity how did he do?

@@mcgbullseye468 pretty good really. Nothing jumped out at me enough to be popping into my head after watching the video. We do pronounce it differently now, just due to the progression of language and the southern drawl kicking in. Instead of "Chee-ah-ha" we now just say "Chee-ha". If you ever get into the area, stop by our Native American museum and mention these comments. I am always around and all of them know how to reach me.

Can you collaborate with him to do an indeepth dive?

@@flyndutchmn I am not sure what I would collab with, but yeah absolutely. I would love to break into the field of providing info like these guys, just have never had the time or knowledge of computers to jump into it. It would be a joy and privilege to work with these guys though.

Hello fellow Bammer! I've been to Cheaha several times but I was introduced on a school field trip from Greensboro in the late 80's. You can only go to Moundville State Park and the Birmingham Zoo so many times. 😊 "Chee-ha" is beautiful and so rich in many things including culture and resources. It must feel like a gift to be able to work there and educate so many. Kudos to you !

Right!?👍🏼

meth comes from mexico now since early 2000s when precursors were made very hard to procure in USA.. nobody makes meth here anymore. they cant because the ingredients arent available.

That would make sense. I'm from Northern Indiana but have lots of friends from Southern IN where meth labs were incredibly common n the hills, but you're right, that was in the early 2000s and the scene may have changed. Still, there are always going to be people out in the woods for whatever reason. It's always something to consider! @@Andy-zj3dc

I mostly agree with Andy, and the other issue with the “squatters doing hard drugs in the woods”’theory is that addicts either 1 need raw materials to produce said hard drugs, which even if available would have to be packed into the woods or they would be making lots of trips to a dealer…which would likely be the case since 99% of hard drugs come in from Mexico…it’s even less likely they were buying in bulk, getting loaded for months on end without having to leave their hidey hole. I think the answer is a lot simpler, it was a mountain lion or other large animal.

@@Flat_Stanley Wasn't he packing heat and staying vigilant in the woods? Could the mountain Lion have backed the ride??

What were his feelings about the Special Forces being there ?

My friend just moved to maryville it is cool over there?

Yep

I can't stand how he pronounces it.

My mother was born there in 1946, and Granny took them off the mountain to Florida in the 50s. Growing up, mom told me stories about the hills . One was about some boys gone missing when she was there. She also talked about going for walks with her dad playing hide the bottles ,find the money. On one trip, mom said " her and daddy run up on a booger and daddy shot his pistol in the air to scare it." I asked her what a booger was? Mom told me they" Was giants, that looked like gorilla bears. They were scary looking ." Now mom was only about 4 or 5 years old at the time. And that's how she described it. Mom's family have all told me stories about boogers and hiding in the caves from the tree knockers when they was hunting. Sorry about such a long rant down a rabbit hole but I came across your channel and thought I would listen to it and when you stated about my Mom's birth town. I got interested and it brought back memories from what my mama told me about growing up in the hills and back woods in Tennessee.

Don’t you think they would have found him by now then? If he’s that concussed he couldn’t have gotten too far from his ATV…

​​@@greglamphier4430I work for a major hospital. Not every head injury results in a concussion but also you'd be surprised what concussed ppl can do. From car accidents to sports injuries. It's not bonk head, pass out, get found like it's shown on TV and in the movies.

@queenfree85 doesn’t matter how its depicted on TV or in the movies the point still remains.. where’s his body?

@@greglamphier4430 Your initial point was he couldn't have gotten far enough from the atv not to be found if he was concussed and my response to that still stands. OP and I said nothing about his missing body, in fact OP offered the theory of him wandering into the woods. Dense woods with sparce resources even in broad daylight for an experienced hiker/backpacker can turn dangerous/deadly quickly. If a head injury is in play that increases the risk. I personally believe there was foul play but factor in temperature, wild animals, injury, illness, etc and there are plenty of reasons why his body may not have been found.

WELSH. The Welsh were the first to come here. The Cherokee called them "the moon-eyed people" due to their gray eyes. The original pilgrims were also Welsh. Wales gets erased in history, but not EVERYthing in history was the Scots or the Irish.

@@myse7enkidsWRONG, it was mainly Germans and Scotch-Irish and some Italians

I am about to start truck driving, I was thinking the same thing. 👍🏼

Thanks for your service! Truck Drivers are essential workers! The USA depends upon Truckers ! 🤗🇩🇪🇨🇭🇺🇲

@@daren7889 My son has been hauling for 10 years now; I get a little nervous with stories about drivers going missing. Be careful out there fellas, No picking up strays No matter how good looking.

Sorry didn’t mean to comment this so many times didn’t think it was going through

Also, someone knows something. The few people that live up there know everything that goes on. And there’s no way someone didn’t see something. I went to my uncle’s property up there two weeks ago and had three cars drive by and stop by mine several times just because they didn’t recognize it. These people sit outside on their porch constantly there is just no way in hell no one saw something suspicious.

That last bit leads me to believe the police know more than they’re letting on

⁠@@TheLoreLodge so I just finished the video, you had asked if anything specific happened that led people to believe it’s a sketchy place. I have a personal experience that happened to me two years ago. That involves the people who live right across from the end of happy valley loop road. If you’ve been there you may recognize it, it’s a house with a huge wooden privacy fence. I was with some friends at around midnight in the summer time, being teenagers we decided to go night swimming at abrams creek bridge, that goes over chilhowee lake. We took the parkway there, jumped off the bridge a couple times, then decided to head back after about an hour or so. On the way back, my friend who wasn’t familiar with the area like I was took the first right instead of the second, which is happy valley road. I said it’s fine because it also leads back to the parkway to go home. (Some preface we were teenagers and teenagers make bad decisions) so on the way back, we passed that guys fence. It has a bunch of random stuff on it, farm things, saws, a BB gun and some old rusty hatchets, stuff like that. One of my friends made the driver stop the car (I was in the passenger seat) and he got out, and took a hatchet off the fence. No dogs barked or anything like that. It all happened fast and I kept yelling at him to go put it back. The driver turned on happy valley loop road after we’d driven off, to make a loop. As we get back to the fence, just as he’s about to hop out of the car and put the hatchet back, a man comes running out from behind it. He had a black bandanna on his face, a pistol, and a pillowcase under the pistol, (I’m guessing to catch the shells) and I tried ducking down, the seatbelt locked up, it FREAKED me out. The driver gunned it and the man with the gun never did shoot. But the fact that all of this happened within 5 minutes, it was 1:30ish AM at this point, he was up, somehow heard us take something off his fence or just heard something in general, and his first response was to put on a bandanna and grab a gun and shoot whoever it was, tells me he has something to hide. That was to this day the scariest moment of my life, I immediately thought of Mike too. And as you can guess, the car ride home was silent.

Also I just texted my dad and asked if he knows the exact location the ATV was found. We literally talked about this last weekend. When he texts back I’ll let you know.

Our theory was illegal gensing poachers.

@@GrunkyMcSaucy first I've heard that theory, but it could be top reason in that area.

If true that could well be the Mississippians. Very interesting!

Sounds like our politicians of today. Most are corrupt and traitors

the cherokee?? where do u get ur info 😂

​@@beautifuldisaster139 "according to James Mooney"...

I hadn't even gotten there yet, but you're absolutely right. It could've been Marijuana, or Moonshine, or there could be a different drug being made there, or even just being held there, and he might've gotten too close, or stumbled onto whatever was/is going on by accident. It is possible the police have stakes in whatever occurred, either in trying to stop what's going on, or in keeping it quiet.

​@laurenmclain6378 The police have no interest in stopping their gravy train- either through civil forfeiture or direct criminal involvement.

I bet the abandoned cabin probably disappeared like suspiciously got burnt down

Back then they knew better than to mess with them they stayed out of their for the most part

Honest question. I know moonshine used to be a huge thing. But is it still anymore? To the point someone would be killed over it? I live in Arkansas, so the thought of a meth lab, yeah dangerous as could be, may be killed. But moonshine? When you can walk to a liquor store now? Truly curious if it’s still that big of a market or people still distilling regularly. (I know a couple people who have made moonshine, one who said he got involved with shady people wanting to buy it, so he took himself off grid to avoid these people)

Sounds like "Winter's Bone" with Jennifer Lawrence

@@richardevans9003 there are no romantic, heroic, or attractive characters in the Summer Wells story....

Yes but we have a lot of lazy thieves here in the US.

Lololololololol

Could just be a standard he keeps, these people are all ready hounded by true crime types. Anything they could've said is likely out there.

The statue of limitation on murder or capital crime such as armed robbery, criminal assault, kidnapping etc was removed.... you can be charged 50 years later if they find you or prove you did it... thus these cases are still active.

I came here to say just that! Lol

In East TN, at least, it's even more simplified: "Mur-vul"

When I first moved to the area it took me months to realize "Murvul" and Maryville are the same place 😅

Christ is king!! There's only one way to Heaven and thats by way of Christ Jesus HalleluYAH!!! we are in the end times. its best to get right with God before its too late!

​@SavingSoulsMinistries couldn't you at least look for videos where that would at least be on topic?

@@SavingSoulsMinistriesoh you’re in the wrong place. We idolize demons and the supernatural here

Me too. I was about to comment

I am going to take a long shot here !!! Have you heard anyone by the name Mary Sumner or Fred Sumner ,,, yes you live in a beautiful state

Throwback Natives attacking, had to be because of his last name! lol,

I may have had them reversed, either way Matt was clear that the position it was left in would have drained the battery

@@TheLoreLodge key switched on ignition switched on still won't drain a battery, nothing to draw current. It would take something like Lights being on for the battery to drain

​@jordanmike3479 might not be totally accurate to this example, but if he had the key left on, the fuel pump would've primed and maybe a fault could've left it running thus killing it? I know that's very little power draw and highly unlikely but still. I had an old honda that would do exactly that and flood itself.

Men* don’t forget tech Aidan he’s a cutey too! 😂

Look at what you started!!! Great job!!

You sure do, you have 100+ comments on this channel. They must be one of your favorites. Beautiful profile pic and name. So pretty.

We locals call it Murvull lmao

Lived there for years.... kinda miss it.

Try, "The Man from the Train" book. Lots of research and supposition around that style of slaying. And yes, there were far more than just one family.

Tried to contact the brothers, and didn’t hear anything.

​@@TheLoreLodge Aidan is on the job covering all bases

Maryvull*

Lol

What’s your obsession with the kkk. You act like they are still relevant, and TN is full of them, it’s not.