Mitchell Institute's Deptula on China's J-20 Stealth Fighter

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Defense & Aerospace Report

Defense & Aerospace Report

7 жыл бұрын

Lt. Gen. David Deptula, USAF Ret., the dean of the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies, discusses China's J-20 stealth fighter that debuted recently at the Zhuhai Airshow and the importance of 5th generation stealth aircraft for US airpower with Defense & Aerospace Report Editor Vago Muradian. Deptula spoke after a panel discussion on US 5th generation aircraft sponsored by the Mitchell Institute at the US Capitol.

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@charlesWoo-tn7hh
@charlesWoo-tn7hh 6 жыл бұрын
this guy with his expertise admits that the J-20 is not a copy of America's F-22.
@majesticflyingbrick
@majesticflyingbrick 3 жыл бұрын
​@@retix11 During WW2 most americans believed the Japanese Zero was a copy of various american or british planes. It took a whole generation after WW2 for americans to start admitting that it was an original design. It's all just propaganda.
@_glibcxx324
@_glibcxx324 3 жыл бұрын
@@retix11 how did chinese steal such a secret tech
@user-wq4ri4ol4m
@user-wq4ri4ol4m 2 жыл бұрын
@@retix11 The US, by that we mean defence companies have been demonstrating the prowess of their tech for years. It's not hard to copy an airframe if it's on display constantly. The interior aspects however, different story.
@therealdeal2163
@therealdeal2163 2 жыл бұрын
@@retix11 maybe the USA should spend more on anti hacking technology.
@binweizang758
@binweizang758 2 жыл бұрын
Lmao f35 is not heavy fighter jet, it's just funny that some people think themselves know better than military experts
@testertaster
@testertaster 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent vids. you really get candid, detailed insights from people in the know. Nice work! tnx
@muzzle9999
@muzzle9999 6 жыл бұрын
So this guy, unlike these keyboard experts on youtube, admitted that the J-20 is not a copy of America's F-22?
@edwardtang1977
@edwardtang1977 5 жыл бұрын
He is not the new generation kids of the west. He belongs to the age when Americans had integrity.
@jason32742
@jason32742 5 жыл бұрын
The f-22 is so different, but within saying that I do think some of the tech in the j-20 was stolen from the f-22
@coralsea1137
@coralsea1137 5 жыл бұрын
If he admit J-20 is copy of F-22, is as good as saying F-22 is also junk.....hehehehe
@jackal1743
@jackal1743 5 жыл бұрын
It's a re-engineered f-22 paper tiger. Bentley spewed secret information to some Chinese government associates and promply ended up getting arrested for the endangerment of national security and being spies. He takes the plane at face value, but he knows the Chinese just made an attempt at re-engineering the us's f-22 with said leaked information.
@kashmirha
@kashmirha 4 жыл бұрын
Its a "Chinese" copy. Low quality, some technologies are exact copy, some are replacement, some are their own development.
@CA18DETHK
@CA18DETHK 7 жыл бұрын
The J-20 is a long range advanced interceptor and a promising platform for deep penetration strike. The size allows for respectable internal fuel and weapon payload, the weapon bay can house larger long range missiles as well as standoff strike munition. There is no official announcement that it is an air superior fighter, in fact, the high wing loading, loosely coupled canard and great length are all hallmark characteristics of optimization for high speed and stability for maximum payload, nothing close to what is needed for dog fight. All flight videos available had not shown particularly impressive agility. There is nothing wrong with such a design as long as it serves its design purpose well. It's only bystanders and laymen on the web who chanted so much about the capability of this aircraft, all without official acknowledgement. I would see it as a stealthy interdictor strike aircraft as well as an advanced BVR long range interceptor specialized in hunting down high value targets such as AWACS and tankers, also serving as a mini-awac itself, more like the MiG-31 commanding a wing of J-10 or UAV's at a safe distance away. In no way could the J-20 excel a SU-35 or even a J-10 in close air combat. Perhaps with 2 additional engines, a scaled up version of the J-20 could even make a credible supersonic bomber in the class of the TU-22M. The canard would probably compensate for the swing wing in take-off performance. All comments on the viability or comparative performance of the J-20 against any other aircraft are purely speculations, no one is certain about the intended use of the J-20 and it is how it performs in its intended role that counts.
@user-iu8px1oz9j
@user-iu8px1oz9j 6 жыл бұрын
CA18DETHK professional common!
@Gongolongo
@Gongolongo 3 жыл бұрын
Really great analysis but the weapons bay for the J-20 is suuuuper small. Probably only AAM at most.
@CA18DETHK
@CA18DETHK 3 жыл бұрын
@@Gongolongo Yes, too small for a bomber, but check the dimensions of the PL-15, it's not a small missile at all. Interdiction role, or Air Defence Suppression load out: 4 Anti-radiation missiles in weapon bay 2-cluster munition dispensers 4 500Kg GBU's is not unrealistic, especially the HARM config seems very attractive in a wild weasel role. Don't get mixed up with a ground attack / CAS type application. www.globalsecurity.org/military/wor "Based on photos released domestically, the J-20’s weapons bay has a width of 2 to 2.2 meters, a length of 4.5 to 4.7 meters, and a depth of 0.66 to 0.8 meters." ld/china/j-20-design.htm Check out the dimensions and weights of PLA precision guided munitions to see what could be fitted inside the belly bay, could be interesting.
@Kevinsmith-rx7zq
@Kevinsmith-rx7zq 3 жыл бұрын
The J-20 doesn't have the radar dispersion paint or super cruise. China uses last generation Russian engines because they can't build their own yet and Russia won't sell them the latest tech. Russia knows China would reverse engineer it and steal the tech.
@CA18DETHK
@CA18DETHK 3 жыл бұрын
@@Kevinsmith-rx7zq Very insightful indeed. May I ask what is radar dispersion paint and what is the key to achieving super cruise, even old Russian engines are more powerful than the EJ200, or M88 and the F414 on the Gripen but they all super cruise, how can we tell whether an aircraft can super cruise? Of course we all know that China can't build anything good enough, and that's good to know until ..... If one could access more technical research papers, or follow closely on industrial development and related products, noticing what kind of research are going on, by combining a wide aspect of observations, knowledge as well as some privy, just little bits, information, one could make more educated comments. Do you read Chinese to start with?
@johnmicheal3904
@johnmicheal3904 3 жыл бұрын
I really hope that the us military has built out a fully proprietary completely internal network. Currently private and public systems are just too vulnerable.
@JustJoeT
@JustJoeT 7 жыл бұрын
FWIW, the Barney Deptuła family were very beneficial friends of my parents in Detroit via Scranton, PA.
@arijitdakshi820
@arijitdakshi820 5 жыл бұрын
From 3rd gen leapfrog to 6th gen weapon systems, very daunting task. Synthesize new cross-domain effects, but that will make 6th gen platforms redundant.
@icolky5272
@icolky5272 4 жыл бұрын
Pretty much same as most of the informed commenters I’ve read have said on the j20 - a long range interceptor probably designed to go after high value targets like awacs, tankers and ISR aircraft etc. All makes sense and fits with China’s overall strategy of trying to negate US.overall strength and fighting asymmetrically. Fits in well with what he said about US concerns that China may be out sticking them with range of their air to air missiles as well. Don’t see any insult to anyone here. Good strategy by China and the US as usual working hard to maintain their advantage and constantly looking to make sure they’re not preparing for yesterday’s war. IRL no one worries about hypothetical one on one dogfights. Firstly any fight would be at least a pair of two or four ships, each supported by increasingly complex number of supporting assets all making a big difference to what would happen. Modern war is being planned at much more complex levels than spitfires, ME262s and mustangs fighting it out over ww2 Europe.
@wk9378
@wk9378 4 жыл бұрын
To be supported by J16.
@andyanderson1100
@andyanderson1100 3 жыл бұрын
Once you take out the awacs , that will take away the long detection capability, the stealth fighters will be forced to use their own radars exposing them to detection or the will have to close to passive detection range making them much more vulnerable
@sparkyfister
@sparkyfister 2 жыл бұрын
@@andyanderson1100 how you gonna close in on awacs when you have missiles coming at you from planes to can't see?
@user-mr3vd9wr5x
@user-mr3vd9wr5x 4 жыл бұрын
Спасибо ..........это были наши эмоции ......уважаю !!
@princejadon2770
@princejadon2770 5 жыл бұрын
J20 is great jet
@thatdutchguy2882
@thatdutchguy2882 6 жыл бұрын
Dark sword.
@daveverster7483
@daveverster7483 4 жыл бұрын
Thanx Gen.Deptula..at least you defined the "myths" around the 6th Gen Aircraft! No one else is even talking about it,yet the FX crowd in their halo studios create these fictitious jets! Agree sir..get 5th gen missiles into a jet like the F-22/35's.
@wulung5943
@wulung5943 2 жыл бұрын
The J20 is well designed for the SCS region and armed with PL 15 is superior to the F35 and F22
@sparkyfister
@sparkyfister 2 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@VillageTV
@VillageTV 6 жыл бұрын
You can't really find out who's better unless perform a dogfight!
@captainearth3294
@captainearth3294 6 жыл бұрын
Village TV u r right, pilot skills also mattter no matter how advanced is the plane
@JSharap
@JSharap 6 жыл бұрын
Assuming the F35 jet fighter pilot stays awake...
@jebdiankerman5029
@jebdiankerman5029 6 жыл бұрын
Village TV you gotta be crazily rich and stupid to use a 5th gen fighter for dog fight
@Gongolongo
@Gongolongo 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine dogfighting in 2020 LUL
@Rockool52
@Rockool52 3 жыл бұрын
These planes are designed to avoid dog fighting as much as possible! They are designed to avoid detection and kill from afar! Dog fighting is pretty much mutual suicide today.
@deathless3518
@deathless3518 5 жыл бұрын
you need 5G for that. Why not use Huawei LAWL!
@ultimateultra2419
@ultimateultra2419 4 жыл бұрын
Mediatek has a better 5G than Huawei. Dimensity 1000 processor has dual sim 5G at a time. But no other Soc can do dual Sim 5G at a time. Not even Qualcomm.
@hgiangpham1128
@hgiangpham1128 3 жыл бұрын
@@ultimateultra2419 WHAT ABOUT SAMSUNG
@user-mr3vd9wr5x
@user-mr3vd9wr5x 4 жыл бұрын
Спокойно .....отчёт пошло .. рада что жив f 117
@user-oz2vq1tt6c
@user-oz2vq1tt6c 5 жыл бұрын
every smart phone copy from 📱. HaHaHa
@guffroofing
@guffroofing 6 жыл бұрын
Emp lazer
@ansunil4
@ansunil4 2 жыл бұрын
Its very remarkable what is achieved by the Chinese
@tipoomaster
@tipoomaster 4 жыл бұрын
It seems purpose built for flying over to Taiwan with fuel to spare.
@Gongolongo
@Gongolongo 3 жыл бұрын
Light aircraft such as the J-10C can already do that out of Wuxi. This is made for the SCS where this is much more ground to cover.
@patthonsirilim5739
@patthonsirilim5739 3 жыл бұрын
taiwan is small fry this plane was made to hold off the real enemy the us navy carrier air wing and us air force it was made to cut of or deny the us military situational awareness and air to air refueling assets that make the us aviation forces such a power house if successful in its mission the chinese would force the us air force to go toe to toe with them in an equal footing a flock of hornets with aerial refueling full mission payload and awac guidance is a lethal force the same group on its own with limited fuel and payload is a different beast altogether it would give the chinese a significant edge in that engagement.
@SaadNFlimz
@SaadNFlimz 3 жыл бұрын
6th generation jets will be all about interoperability and Network Centric Warfair as F-22 can't connect with other jets
@SydneyApplebaum
@SydneyApplebaum 5 жыл бұрын
What about these UFO's?
@AdamosDad
@AdamosDad 7 жыл бұрын
The J20 seems to be an interceptor it currently is using a bomber engines.
@edwardtang1977
@edwardtang1977 7 жыл бұрын
The x-36 proved the J-20 layout is super agile. With an all moving tail fin it is even more stable. It has twice the range of the F-35 and longer weapons bay. In a system to system combat , a jet with longer range changes the big picture completely.
@JSharap
@JSharap 6 жыл бұрын
Now it's got Su35 jet engines..
@Superpooper-2020
@Superpooper-2020 2 жыл бұрын
@@JSharap Now j20 uses domestically developed Ws-15 Engine
@watchthe1369
@watchthe1369 Жыл бұрын
Information sharing amongst very capable units that know their role. Imagine 2 football teams facing each other without the numbers and they do not know who the quarterback or tightend is until the game starts and the fist quarter of p[lay is done. Each team has a playbook and runs it as best they can against the opposition. The chinese have the long throwing arms, the USA has lots of practice just doing their job......
@wk9378
@wk9378 4 жыл бұрын
6th gen sub space fighter jets.
@yiquny
@yiquny Жыл бұрын
Once upon a time? Are you implying he is too old?
@user-mr3vd9wr5x
@user-mr3vd9wr5x 4 жыл бұрын
Рада.... Что живой!
@RW_CreativeMedia
@RW_CreativeMedia 2 жыл бұрын
UFO will beats all of this aircraft
@chowdhurymeherali-mf9vz
@chowdhurymeherali-mf9vz 4 жыл бұрын
J20 has totally different look from F-22.
@ashwanidas6956
@ashwanidas6956 4 жыл бұрын
If J 20 is very lethal chinese aircraft in the world then why china using russian fighter planes in every front Instead of J20 ?... Pls explain anyone
@ritzd9604
@ritzd9604 4 жыл бұрын
China never give completed detail about their military capabilities like what our indian media does
@user-pq5js6eh5c
@user-pq5js6eh5c 3 жыл бұрын
Why does America still produce f15 and f16
@moonbear2130
@moonbear2130 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-pq5js6eh5c the only new F-15s that the US is making for itself is the f-15EX which will only be for national guard units, not frontline fighters. Other variants of F-16 are being produced but not for the US, but for export.
@AEYEWOLF
@AEYEWOLF 3 жыл бұрын
Nice to not hear the type of paranoia that existed during the cold war.
@user-mr3vd9wr5x
@user-mr3vd9wr5x 4 жыл бұрын
🖐️👩‍✈️👍💌💌💌💌💌💌💌💌💌💌💌
@freeworld88888
@freeworld88888 6 жыл бұрын
J20 is a great plane, It is true , china has got the best engine yet... but the amount of money injected into their engine develpment, it is like a blank cheque and signed.
@Saj14356
@Saj14356 5 жыл бұрын
wishingtree 😂👌
@dipokkhanali2871
@dipokkhanali2871 4 жыл бұрын
Yea most spent hacking and trying steal the data of f-35 and f22 raptor
@yliang1688
@yliang1688 2 жыл бұрын
@Republiky DFA Unie socialistických >>> Taiwan is still a inseparable part of China. No matter what it gets from the west intruders.
@qake2021
@qake2021 2 жыл бұрын
😁👌🤞✌🏻
@YUSKHAN
@YUSKHAN 6 жыл бұрын
J-20 is a interceptor
@davidwebber8636
@davidwebber8636 4 жыл бұрын
Why does he talk so fast... what about a bit of good old punctuation... when does he breath?
@yang5159
@yang5159 7 жыл бұрын
J20 with long range guided hypersonic missile is enough to neutralize all jets not 5th generation
@yang5159
@yang5159 7 жыл бұрын
S400 good enough for f22 f35
@mississippirebel1409
@mississippirebel1409 7 жыл бұрын
You must be a special kind stupid lol.
@fjn667
@fjn667 6 жыл бұрын
So exactly how do the S400 finds the f-22 or f-35?
@zaldyfernandez2792
@zaldyfernandez2792 6 жыл бұрын
Jim Sia j20 is not a mach 2 aircraft. ..
@thatdutchguy2882
@thatdutchguy2882 6 жыл бұрын
Jim Sia Seems that even an old S-200 is good enough for an F-35.
@fanyang7992
@fanyang7992 3 жыл бұрын
J20 has never been tested in real battle. It's still open to double whether it could pose a threat to its counterparts like F35 or Su57.
@Gongolongo
@Gongolongo 3 жыл бұрын
and the F-35 and Su-57 have not really been tested unless you consider bombing cavemen hajis "real battle".
@arminius6506
@arminius6506 3 жыл бұрын
F-22 and F-35 has fought WW3??? 🤔 Russian Su-57 isn't even in proper service.
@gohseng1733
@gohseng1733 2 жыл бұрын
F35 also never has real encounters with any superior fighter to date. Since F35 enter service , she only encountered less advanced fighters. Therefore, nothing to boost about F35 superiority. Latest China and Russia fighter jets can dethrone F 35 . Better stop producing F35 and start making more advanced fighters after F35.
@muzammilahmad6768
@muzammilahmad6768 2 жыл бұрын
@@Gongolongo 🤣😂
@yulopthegreat
@yulopthegreat 3 жыл бұрын
Ironman is the next 6 gen fighter jet...pilot wearing suit and flying penetrating..steath?ah. Dont need it
@mattg5978
@mattg5978 6 жыл бұрын
He did not like that F-14 comment. HA ha
@corrinetsang1478
@corrinetsang1478 7 жыл бұрын
The J-20 is for long range combat fighter with two WS-15 jet engines.It is armed with quantum radar and 6 PL-15 air to air missiles that has a 200 miles range twice the range of US missiles.China has tested a VLRAAM that was launched from a J-16 and shot down s hypersonic drone 300 miles away,confirmed by US satellite.AECC with 20 billion dollars annually and 100,000 employees will manufacture the 5th generation WS-15 engines and the 6th generation combined cycle engines .See Popular Science (US) and MSN.com (Canada) article on Wang Zhenguo combined cycle engine with pictures of how it works.
@artsseriouschannel
@artsseriouschannel 6 жыл бұрын
Bullshit is directly proportional supposed complexity.
@TheShaniqua1992
@TheShaniqua1992 5 жыл бұрын
this guy would of course hype up the J-20 so he can get more defense funding
@sagirashraf2790
@sagirashraf2790 5 жыл бұрын
Americans are most brainwashed people on earth Even your dollars are worthless not backed by gold Without Saudi Arabia petro dollars system America will become a third world's nation
@GowthamNatarajanAI
@GowthamNatarajanAI 4 жыл бұрын
@@sagirashraf2790 You are wrong.
@tonymark8154
@tonymark8154 6 жыл бұрын
I will say J20 is better than F35 but F22
@ensteffo
@ensteffo 6 жыл бұрын
+Tony Mark But your opinion is based on no facts considering no detrimental information is actually released.
@johnboy3419
@johnboy3419 6 жыл бұрын
Tony Mark wrong j20 is junk and we can see it before they see us
@boomboomboom9297
@boomboomboom9297 5 жыл бұрын
J20 is Chinese made. No need to worry, Uncle Sam.
@jackal1743
@jackal1743 5 жыл бұрын
Chinese made with stolen blueprints.
@cx3264
@cx3264 5 жыл бұрын
Jackal 1 can you prove that ? Dumbass
@chrischan8282
@chrischan8282 4 жыл бұрын
Jackal 1 even if it’s stolen what can they do lol
@dipokkhanali2871
@dipokkhanali2871 4 жыл бұрын
@@jackal1743 exactly 💯
@dipokkhanali2871
@dipokkhanali2871 4 жыл бұрын
@@jackal1743 they also stole b-2 bombers blueprint
@Kylo_Ren_2033
@Kylo_Ren_2033 6 жыл бұрын
India has much more advanced LCAs. Plus, these may be CGIs, not real jets
@Kylo_Ren_2033
@Kylo_Ren_2033 6 жыл бұрын
EM0tional Goose Tejas was finished back in 2016
@urdugerman2076
@urdugerman2076 5 жыл бұрын
India hahahah. India is garbage.
@keny4281
@keny4281 4 жыл бұрын
are you serious or just trolling? CGI? are you suggesting that this US military official is having a serious discussion about a CGI aircraft?? You know what, India number 1, US and China both are incompetent morons. LCA is literally at Star Wars level.
@coralsea1137
@coralsea1137 5 жыл бұрын
If he admit J-20 is copy of F-22 is like saying F-22 is junk .....hehehe
@jackal1743
@jackal1743 5 жыл бұрын
You realize that China stole f-22 blueprints?
@holyboxer2.072
@holyboxer2.072 3 жыл бұрын
@@jackal1743 J20 has canard wings, F22 doesn‘t so they completely different design Check your eyes!
@jackal1743
@jackal1743 3 жыл бұрын
@@holyboxer2.072 vaguely? canards = less stealth.
@holyboxer2.072
@holyboxer2.072 3 жыл бұрын
@@jackal1743 canard can be stealth,Even American designers admit this. for example the stealth X36 has canards
@jackal1743
@jackal1743 3 жыл бұрын
@@holyboxer2.072 okay? But nowhere does it state that it was meant to be stealthy. It was built with becoming a fighter plane in mind. If canards were a good option for stealth aircraft dont you think the f-22/f-35 would incorporate it? Canards do infact increase RCS and when it comes to stealth, canards add a reflective area for radar Signals to bounce back significantly.
@ma0236700
@ma0236700 5 жыл бұрын
J 20 is built a bigger engine and fuel tank for a longer flight/distance and longer present in the air, however, it is yet to be tested its full built-up components' reliability of these 2 easy done aspects, is designing similar to a private passenger jet features, smaller but flew a longer distance at a faster speed. A run out of idea poor man design.
@davewiegmann5812
@davewiegmann5812 7 жыл бұрын
a few deflections from those canards will send a radar return to a modern electronically scanned array. J-20 will not get the first shot. Getting in close for WVR combat with F-22/35, and the 6th gens will never happen. This thing might beat F15s easily, but it better concentrate on using standoff munitions against surface targets. ..it's also not LO from the rear. Looks like several large reflectors in the rear. ...and system to system combat means it is NOT the platform that matters. Range of platform is irrelevant in system to system warfare. It means the entire combat infrastructure. It is not apparent yet if the Chinese can support what Deptula ^^ calls the "combat cloud". Very good job for a first 5th gen aircraft though. They're doing better than the Russians. It is a true revolution in Chinese air power. ...not a threat to USAF though. Not unless you build 1,000 of them, which might be the plan.
@EvMstein
@EvMstein 7 жыл бұрын
Canard might not as bad as you think, the engineers behind it they must concerned about this very well and if those canard gonna be a deflection for the aircraft it wouldn't pass the design phase, there are many platform that has canard with them and it still famous about it low RCS. McDonnell Douglas and NASA's X-36 featured canards and was considered to be extremely stealthy. Radar cross-section can be further reduced by controlling canard deflection through flight control software, as is done on the Eurofighter. - Wikipedia Chengdu J-20
@Nine-TailedFox4
@Nine-TailedFox4 6 жыл бұрын
At high speeds conards of that size need not deflect so much. At BVR you want to fire missiles at high mach to get best range. With such speed, conard deflection is minimal. It is also important to note that, while shaping is a huge factor in reducing RCS, RAM coatings are very helpful in keeping radar returns minimal when a surface is exposed. Conards aren't as bad as you think.
@Uruz7Laevatein
@Uruz7Laevatein 6 жыл бұрын
IIRC the Boeing X-36 did have canards in its design, the JSF program did feature canards in general but scrapped it due to cost reasons.
@obsidianstatue
@obsidianstatue 6 жыл бұрын
canards won't negatively effect the stealth features as long as it's edge aligned to the rest of the wings and fuselage, and J-20's canards are indeed aligned very well to the fuselage and the wings. Do you seriously think the hundreds of engineers in China did think of this?
@siberiantiger3917
@siberiantiger3917 5 жыл бұрын
The J-20 doesn't have a gun so it's designed for BVR missile attack against hostiles not close-in combat.
@Nine-TailedFox4
@Nine-TailedFox4 6 жыл бұрын
J-20, much like the F-35, is an unfairly criticized platform. They definitely reverse engineered it but not much is known about its capabilities.
@chippledon1
@chippledon1 4 жыл бұрын
America comes out w/a space shuttle. Ten years later, the Russians have their own! America comes out w/ the F 22. Ten years later, the Chicoms come out w/their own version of what looks like the YF 23 prototype stealth fighter! America comes out w/the F 35 fighter. Now the Chicoms have their version! Hmmmmmmm ???
@100Mmore
@100Mmore 4 жыл бұрын
Americans copied Soviet space technology initially, this man just admitted the J20 is not an F22 copy.
@seanbaskett5506
@seanbaskett5506 6 жыл бұрын
What a piece of garbage. I hope they have good avionics, it's kinda hard to see when your eyes only open halfway.
@user-zo8hs4yh2h
@user-zo8hs4yh2h 5 жыл бұрын
@Dennis Shih xD nice
@garyeuscher4499
@garyeuscher4499 Жыл бұрын
Tofu dreg Probably made of bamboo and glue!
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