Mitre Square And The Murder Of Catherine Eddowes

Mitre Square And The Murder Of Catherine Eddowes - Jack The Ripper's 4th Victim.

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Жыл бұрын

In this video, we follow the last hours in the life of Catherine Eddowes, who is generally believed to have been the fourth victim of Jack the Ripper.
We follow her from the evening before her murder when she was arrested for being drunk on Aldgate High Street.
We visit Bishopsgate Police Station, to where she was taken and put in a cell to sleep off the effects of her excesses.
We then move to the early hours of the 30th of September 1888 to learn of the witnesses who may have seen her in the company of her murderer, before venturing into Mitre Square to cover the awful events that surrounded her murder and the finding of her body by Police Constable Edward Watkins.
The video ends with a statement made by one of the witnesses that really does sum up just how elusive Jack the Ripper was in escaping from the scenes of his crimes.

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@maryschwab6674 Жыл бұрын

I wonder where he was when he said he wished he'd come around mitre square, if he was in a pub, I bet Jack heard him.

@forgetmenotjem1147 Жыл бұрын

It made me laugh when you said she was imitating the sound of a fire engine

@richardtofts4977 Жыл бұрын

Me too. She'd been an entertainer, erstwhile singer, and travelling ballad co - writer ( she was the literate one in the partnership ) . Well educated for the time. A fascinating lady who would have probably had a great life if she had been born a hundred years later.

@SmartStart24 Жыл бұрын

Lmao same she sounded great

@garybarnett583 9 ай бұрын

There is no credible evidence that she ever performed or Co-wrote ballads. That is a myth that was concocted in 1995.

@sciencefirst7880 Жыл бұрын

Great video! I was wondering if you have ever come across the account given by a woman on the morning of Catherine's murder, about a man she witnessed washing his hands in a public fountain(horse trough) and giving her a mean look. There was a lot going on nearby in the minutes following her murder. It would make a great video! Thanks again!

@feliscorax 11 ай бұрын

Great question! However, I seriously doubt there’d be anything useful left of the historical record to add meaningfully to the story.

@vespasian606 Жыл бұрын

The whole thing is a bit odd whichever way you look at it. Even allowing for collective deceit on the part of Nightwatchman George Morris, PC Watkins and PC Harvey we have a witness who observes a couple talking quietly under the gas lamp at about 1:30 to 1:35 am where Church passage widens out into Mitre Square. For that to make any sense I would say the woman (whoever she was) may have taken up position under the lamp as a not too subtle hint as to what services she might have been offering. Those exiting from the Imperial club may have been her target audience. If the ripper entered Mitre Square the same way he likely exited then that means he approached her from Mitre Street on the pretext of walking up Church Passage when she stops him by putting a hand on his shoulder. According to PC Watkins timings he had passed by barely a minute or two earlier which kind of implies the ripper followed him into the Square. PC Watkins does not mention anybody following him or anybody under the gas lamp. If she retreated further back down Church passage as she heard PC Watkins round the corner from Mitre Street into the Square that might be why he didn't see anyone. At best that gives the ripper 13-14 minutes to do everything. I'm going to discard PC Harvey for a single reason. If you have ever stood under a light source be it a lamp or your own house lighting and looked out into the dark your vision is restricted. Everybody can see you but you can't necessarily see them. If PC Harvey did go all the way down Church Passage (and I have my doubts) he may not have seen anything for that very reason. For all this to hang together we rely principally on PC Watkins version of events and for that matter the stories PC Harvey and George Morris also give. I think Morris is unreliable. The same person who claimed to be in the counting room (no windows and beyond earshot) also claimed to also be able to hear the footsteps of policemen every fifteen minutes. He is contradicting himself. Both statements can't be 100% true. I think what we have is a collection of small lies which hindered the investigation and do so till this day.

@filmbuff2777 Жыл бұрын

Great video. Thanks for sharing.

@kellybogues Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing with us here.

@ruiseartalcorn Жыл бұрын

Fascinating stuff! Many thanks :)

@Rollin_L Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Richard, for another detailed account. I wish I'd known more about the exact sites when last there in 2014. Having learned much more since- much in fact from you- I regret that so many changes have happened in 3 of the murder locations. I didn't take nearly enough pictures, and I should have taken the tour from your company. Next time!

@christinamcilwaine350 Жыл бұрын

Great and informative video the best Jack The Ripper channel

@robertferguson9154 9 ай бұрын

No one ever seems to mention the fact that the police found in her personel stuff a red leather cigarette case must have been dropped by the ripper because no way she could have afforded anything like that but the police seem to have ignored

@ronmac9522 Жыл бұрын

For me this shows that the ripper was just an opportunist and had no medical knowledge or any other reason than to just mutilate. He was just an opportunist . Poor Catherine was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Just like all the others. Interesting snippet, Kearley and Tongue also had a warehouse at the first murder site in Bucks row.

@f.o.c.s.1028 Жыл бұрын

The Kearley and Tonge warehouses in Bucks Row were constructed Sometime after M.A.N. was murdered. Construction began during the 1890s.

@MEME-qe4ze Жыл бұрын

In my opinion…the Ripper had no surgical knowledge, but had experience. I happen to believe that Lechmere was the Ripper, and gained experience by murdering and mutilting the Thames Torso victims.

@MarkHewitt Жыл бұрын

Sorry, I disagree with you. She told the police at Bishopsgate that her name was Mary Ann Kelly. I think the murderer(s) were targeting Mary Jane Kelly (the final victim).

@jamescorlett5272 Жыл бұрын

@MEME-qe4ze " he gained experience during T T M " - When do you believe Mr Cross was going to start taking all this + that murdering Probably lol .

@SeventhSwell Жыл бұрын

Was this a re-upload? I watched it yesterday and I can't think of what KZfaq could possibly have found objectionable. This site has just been losing its mind lately. I'll give it a watch again today.

@JackTheRipperTours Жыл бұрын

Hi. It is a re-upload. I made a mistake in the first video so I decided to take it down and correct the mistake rather than leave it up. I was having a senior moment!

@alanmurray5963 Жыл бұрын

Who are your top three suspects?

@Castlebank_Sidings Жыл бұрын

This one has always fascinated me more than the others. I've no idea why though.

@wattyler2994 Жыл бұрын

I agree. Despite all that has been written about the murders in the last 135 years, it is this spot which despite the confused timings and the witnesses tells us more about the Ripper than any other site. But it all hangs around the timings rather than witness evidence. This spot was deliberately chosen and was no fluke. If we could extract more one hard fact from this site then I think the others murders would be more easy to understand. There remains I think evidence out there even after all this time which could still shed light on what actually happened that night in the square. Good luck to those who find that evidence.

@davekeating. Жыл бұрын

Not alone do we not know who did it but in this case we don’t know how he did it? Had to be casing murder scenes weeks in advance, victims, police patrol times, entrances, exits, how to blend in?

@Castlebank_Sidings Жыл бұрын

@@davekeating. The murderer could quite well have watched it for weeks or certainly nights to get the police beat timings worked out. It was a very dark square at the time and to hide in the shadows wouldn't have been a problem. We're the witnesses just prior to the killing reliable or did Catherine chance her arm by taking a short cut through mitre square and paid the price for it!? We'll probably never ever know

@88mphDrBrown Жыл бұрын

Probably the juxtaposition between how busy the square was and how heinous the crime was. It's really quite remarkable that there were multiple police and random passers-by so close to a murder with extended mutilation. It also simultaneously pushes the profile to 2 polar opposites of the spectrum. Either he was so out of control that he took a huge risk and got lucky, or he was so calculating that he knew the police patrols down to the minute. If the Stride murder is canonical, I think it points much more to the former.

@PatrickWhelan-sp1th 28 күн бұрын

It is indeed fascinating the murder in Mitre Square but for me the backyard murder of Annie Chapman almost defies belief it is an utterly bizarre and. dangerous spot for the killer to strike

@minkster5054 Жыл бұрын

The description of a 'sailor' is the main reason I suspect there were multiple rippers. The only case for there being a single murderer was the speed of the killings and the short time until discovery of the body.

@88mphDrBrown Жыл бұрын

The thing that always struck me is that Lawende and Schwartz's descriptions match so closely. They gave the same age, height, hair, mustache, general body, and general facial structure descriptions. I wouldn't go as far as to say they were definitively describing the same man, but it's pretty damn close.

@KingBritish Жыл бұрын

@@88mphDrBrown They were clearly describing the same man, even down to the fact that he was carrying a package.

@dobythedog Жыл бұрын

Just imagine that when the body was found, and when the policeman blew his whistle, some person had been spooked, and run away, only to be chased and apprehended. We'd all now believe that the ripper was that innocent person.

@paulanthony5274 5 ай бұрын

We wouldn't as he killed again so they would know it wasn't him as he'd be in custody when Mary Kelly was murdered, the next victim after Catherine. That and the fact that she was seen with a man before she was murdered just a few minutes before. Also if they didn't find a knife on the man who ran away in a panic, then they would search for it and not find it. When you put the three things together it would point to him being innocent. Plus no blood on the man would also point to his innocence.

@wiseguy8696 Жыл бұрын

Great video as usual, Richard. I was hoping that you could clear something up for me if you would be kind enough to do so? Well, when Catherine Eddows was released from the police station after getting locked up for being drunk, she asked what time it was, to which the police man replied "too late for you to get anything else to drink" Well, in your tv documentary "Unmaskkng the ripper" Jenny Phillips said that drink was available 24hrs a day. I'm just wondering which was true? Thanks.

@JackTheRipperTours Жыл бұрын

Hi. There were places where you get drink 24 hours a day, such as market pubs, but legally Catherine wouldn't be able to frequent such a pub. Of course, illegally she could have done.

@wiseguy8696 Жыл бұрын

@@JackTheRipperTours I see, that's great, thank you!

@louisemerriman1079 Жыл бұрын

I should imagine back then there wasn't any licencing laws or if they were they wasn't really adhered to Catherine would have known where to purchase alcohol from at that time .

@richardtofts4977 8 ай бұрын

Sad end for an intelligent, vibrant, and talented lady . Strange to think she co- composed and performed murder ballads with her partner. I think if she had been born 100 years later she would have had a very different life.

@blrenx Жыл бұрын

All those mutilations in 9 minutes , and in the dark? I think that brings constable Watkins timeline into question. In my opinion the body speaks for itself. She was mutilated on the spot. The killer did take some time, Nixing the eyelids ,cutting of the nose ,carving V's in her face. That's someone that took at least 15min , Then on top of it when constable Watkins found her, he didn't find a lot of blood . Reason being it had soaked into her coat.. I truly believe constable Watkins skipped Mitre Square so he could hit the clock on time.. Great Video Richard.. I miss the spooky victorian music...

@davekeating. Жыл бұрын

Wouldn't he need another person holding a lamp in order to make those cut marks?

@PatrickWhelan-sp1th 28 күн бұрын

The thought of Jack the Ripper hovering over his street victims for quarter of an hour surely doesn't ring true

@kevincharles1983 Жыл бұрын

Love seeing ther old photos

@brianbommarito3376 Жыл бұрын

Hey, I watched this video just yesterday. Then it got removed and now it’s returned. I wonder what happened.

@JackTheRipperTours Жыл бұрын

Hi Brian. I made a slight mistake in the original video, so took it down and corrected the mistake.

@JackTheRipperTours Жыл бұрын

It was indeed. It's easy to mix the two names up, they sound so alike!

@brianbommarito3376 Жыл бұрын

👍🏻 Very nice. Thank you for your attention to detail. I had not even noticed.

@Samael-Metzger Жыл бұрын

I sure would like to see someone (hint Richard) put out a video on Jacob Levy.

@otisdylan9532 Жыл бұрын

Me too. I consider him one of the top suspects.

@88mphDrBrown Жыл бұрын

From what I've seen, there's so little known about him that it'd hardly make a video.

@studogable Жыл бұрын

I was there in 2017. Don't recognize it at all now.

@Rollin_L Жыл бұрын

And I in 2014. The cobblestones were still in the square. I wish I'd taken more pictures then, as much has changed there, as well as at Bucks Row and where Dorset Street was, just since my visit.

@MarkSion101 Жыл бұрын

Great video, Richard. I’ve been reading an interesting book with the theory that the Ripper was an ex-Freemason and the killings were to mainly taunt Sir Charles Warren, as he was also a Freemason.

@MarkHewitt Жыл бұрын

I think that Warren knew exactly who the murderer was. That is why he got out of bed to remove the writing on the wall at Goulston Street. He knew exactly what "The Juwes are the men that Will not be Blamed for nothing" meant.

@leslierock5005 Жыл бұрын

Great video again thank you.intersted on your thoughts regarding the decription..age 30,5"9 fair complection fair moustache red neckerchief cloth cap with peak appearance of sailor. Published in the times on oct 2 but doesnt mention lawende. Yet at the inquest 11 oct lawende says ' the man was taller than the woman he wore a cloth cap with peak" at this point city police solicitor henry crawford says " unless the jury wish it i have special reason why no FURTHER description shall be given out now". We should also remember that lawende says he wouldnt recognise the man again. So why would crawford supress something that was already made public? Strange to say the least.

@andy5xcool Жыл бұрын

I believe why the "no further description" was given is for the same reason the graffito was washed off the wall in Goulston Street. Lewande probably had a more accurate description of the man, perhaps telling police before the inquest that the guy appeared to be a foreign immigrant (of the Jewish faith). At the time anti-semitism was building up after each murder, as the locals believed the culprit to be a jew and so to placate this they wanted to suppress the "FURTHER" details from being reported to the public.

@leslierock5005 Жыл бұрын

@@andy5xcool yeah maybe andy,good points, at the inquest crawford says ' no further description' ..apart from age height fair complection fair mustache,general appearance, its hard to think of what further details he was supressing.the details in the times 2nd oct sound more like a gentile than a jewish man imo. If the times description was from lawende it seems he got a decent look at the man seen with eddowes otherwise he wouldnt have mentioned a fair complection and fair moustache yet lawende goes on to say he wouldnt recognise him again.anyway i still think it all sounds a bit iffy.

@andy5xcool Жыл бұрын

@@leslierock5005 He may have been advised to say that he wouldn't "recognise the man again" by the police, so that he wouldn't be hounded and harassed by the press after the inquest (to me this suggests maybe the police needed him in assistance immediately after the inquest, perhaps to patrol the streets with them to see if Lawende could spot the killer). As we know there was a 'Jewish witness' later used to identify a suspect but who then refused to testify against the suspect because the suspect was a Jew. Anderson said this in his memoirs (I'm paraphrasing) "The only witness to ever get a real good look at the suspect refused to testify as suspect was a Jew (like the witness), which would have meant the certain death of a fellow Jew which was against his faith".

@andy5xcool Жыл бұрын

Admittedly people have said the witness was Schwarz because he had just arrived in the country. He would have adhered to the Jewish morales of old, whereas Lawende who had lived in London longer and so integrated into the society more, would be less likely to hold such a firm religious stance.

@andy5xcool Жыл бұрын

@@leslierock5005 I'm going from memory, but I read somewhere the suspect was said to be only about 3 inches taller than Eddowes, meaning he would have been far shorter than the report that was published in The Times, at about 5'3" tall, as I believe Eddowes was only 5'.

@Raventooth Жыл бұрын

Eddowes would have survived but someone else would have taken her place I assume.

@cha5 Жыл бұрын

Wasn’t there a constable who had seen Catherine Eddowes with another man in Mitre Square 15 minutes before her body was discovered? Or am I completely wrong there?

@marshrabbit7565 Жыл бұрын

There is some confusion about a City Police man having seen the Ripper at Mitre Square and this is who is supposedly visited at the Brighton Police Convalescent Home. Sadly, he's never identified (if he existed) and some even believe he is being confused with the policeman at Swallow Gardens when Frances Coles is murdered (though even he only heard footsteps). I sometimes wonder if the police covered it up to spare the officer an inevitable press witch-hunt.

@PatrickWhelan-sp1th 28 күн бұрын

I'm pretty sure that didn't happen with Catharine Eddowes but something very much like that did happen in Elizabeth Strides murder

@jettjones9889 Жыл бұрын

God bless her

@redtobertshateshandles Жыл бұрын

My mate is related to the Tonge foundry family. Apparently they were Normans originally.. Tonge means Tongue. My mate is tall and thin..

@johannajames7824 Жыл бұрын

I'm curious to know who he said the comment about wishing the butcher would come round mitre sq, to! 🤔 as for mitre Square, I sat there about 2 in the morning having a fag break from a basement Christmas office party in one of the buildings, I suddenly realised where I was!

@davekeating. Жыл бұрын

The nightwatchman in Tonge's

@feliscorax 10 ай бұрын

It’s much different now. Hardly has the creepy vibe it once did (except to the historically aware).

@gingermiller436 Жыл бұрын

I believe this street wise woman was on the lookout for a police inspired cliche and what she got was the exact opposite.

@sugandhakohli Жыл бұрын

Deja Vu? I think I watched this video earlier today and now it says uploaded 4 hours ago...

@tonysmith3556 Жыл бұрын

Opportunist all day long. There was no double event.....he was a very clever Opportunist and didn't kill Elizabeth stride

@feliscorax 10 ай бұрын

The description of the man seen with Elizabeth Stride by Israel Schwartz and Catherine Eddowes by Joseph Lawende very much reads like it was one and the same. How do you explain that if it really wasn’t a double event?

@lesberkley3821 Жыл бұрын

I 'appen to have the same birfday as Miss Eddowes, an' if I ever come acrost that Ripper wallah, I'll rip 'im a new mouf right proper.

@ajs41 Жыл бұрын

I think Aaron Kosminsky is the most likely culprit.

@feliscorax 10 ай бұрын

It’s either him or Charles Allen Lechmere. That’s it, the two most viable suspects, and one of these can be placed at the scene of the crime whilst the other was more looney toons than Bugs Bunny.

@mojoe6396 2 ай бұрын

Jacob Levy