Mivv Slip On Exhaust for the Tenere 700 - Loud Pipes Don't Save Lives?

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@scottfree9994 3 жыл бұрын

I feel the exact same way. It's like most things in life.........balance. There's no reason to shake granny's pictures off the wall, but nobody can stomach a brand new stock motorcycle that sounds like a sewing machine either.

@robertbelote5273 3 жыл бұрын

Outstanding

@TheNecromancer21 3 жыл бұрын

Consideration and etiquette, these are lost traits today. You sir are a gentleman .

@DifferentSpokesTV 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@TheTwinPost 3 жыл бұрын

You just defined the kind of exhausts I prefer... The ones that make the engine noise deeper and not obnoxiously loud. Good one mate 👍

@F4celessArt 3 жыл бұрын

Your attitude towards exhaust notes and volumes resonates with mine. I live by a busy road and the bikes (no matter the type or size) with no baffles are just obnoxious, and the sound is way worse for everyone else than themselves. So, in my opinion, it's not just selfish to go baffle-free, it's on par with vandalism in terms of knowingly and willfully annoying the general public.

@DifferentSpokesTV 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing! Yes, from the bike you can hear the noise a bit but the wind muffles it. The person standing still as the bike goes by is the one who gets the full blast.

@rocket3me695 3 жыл бұрын

“The exhaust system is an attack on individual freedom by hippies, communists, and other undesirables” That was quite possibly one of the funniest things I’ve heard in a long time. Actually got a loud chuckle out of me 😂! Great video!

@michaelcrotty1265 3 жыл бұрын

Well and evenly covered. Nice job.

@DifferentSpokesTV 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@allenhuling598 3 жыл бұрын

My T7 looks and is set up much like yours, and I have to agree that the exhaust sound is just too quiet.....most of the time I end up driving it off the tach as I can't hear it over the wind and road noise! That Mivv looks and sounds great, may have to go that way on mine at some point as well! And yeah, I'd probly keep that baffle in as well, same thoughts on good sounds while keeping it respectful to my neighbors! Cheers to you both, always great content and well made videos!

@robertmeyers9313 Жыл бұрын

Good informative video with little bias or bias explained. Thank you!! IMO I put Delkevic slipons on my FJR for a few reasons 1) In spite of the study in an average slow moving traffic situation, I know others can hear me and may glance over. Knowing I’m there. 2) Stock exhaust sound is so quiet all I hear is the valve train, the sewing machine sound. Hearing some exhaust note helps with gear shifting I seem to smooth out the shift when I hear the exhaust. 3) The FJR is heavy at 650 lbs. Twin stock exhaust adds about 15 lbs over the slipons. I take off the side bags and the bike drops below 600 lbs. much more fun.

@rroberts60 3 жыл бұрын

Great vid. I have the same Mivv cans on my Tuono 1000R and found the baffles out way too loud despite sounding great on videos. Never thought to cut the baffles short though. Sounds like a great compromise! I'll have to give it a try.

@DifferentSpokesTV 3 жыл бұрын

Glad I could help :)

@charlesstatkus Жыл бұрын

Right on! I went with V&H Twin Slash slip-ons on my 2014 XL1200T. Within a week I put in the quiet baffles. Yep, it was still too loud! I now have a 2019 FXLR with the following upgrades: Screamin' Eagle Pro Street Tuner Screamin' Eagle Smart Tune PRO Automatic Tuning Module Screamin’ Eagle Ventilator Air Cleaner Kit Screamin' Eagle Extreme-Flow 55MM Intake Manifold Screamin’ Eagle Street Cannon Slip-On Mufflers Screamin' Eagle Milwaukee-Eight Stage II - Torque Kit Sounds and runs like a real Harley!

@robertmartian4644 3 жыл бұрын

Honestly i agree with this. I had a hornet 900 with the end baffles removed by the first owner. I loved it. It had a sweet bassy rumbling growl to it, but once you got moving it was difficult to hear over the wind. It was perfect! If I ever do purchase a bike again I’m problably going to leave it stock for the first year or two or until I get bored.

@DifferentSpokesTV 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, those small tweaks can make your bike feel new again.

@robertlindstrom540 3 жыл бұрын

I had Yoshimura on my VFR, loved the sound.

@phatballs9834 3 жыл бұрын

Pipes don't have to be obnoxious to sound good, and not angering the neighbors and drawing attention to yourself from LE is a bonus.

@plebesciterourke3702 3 жыл бұрын

That price zoom had be laughing

@tonyvisvanathan7119 3 жыл бұрын

I agree with u. I changed mine to Arrow slip on. Not loud but to have a deeper sound to mask the horrible engine sound of my KTM single silinder and to save some weight.

@Jimmy_Watt 3 жыл бұрын

Great video, sir.

@mcvincnt 3 жыл бұрын

I had a Yoshimura full exhaust on my MT-07 for pretty much the same reasons you went with the Mivv, but mainly the sound. I never thought about cutting down the baffle though. That would have made it perfect. I used to go back and forth taking the baffle in and out. Too loud and too quiet.

@dragospopescu1954 3 жыл бұрын

You sir are right! On both the baffle front and on the loud pipes saving lives. Like previous comments shared, the noise level is more of a gentlemen’s agreement if u still want to have friendly neighbors , but also, since your exhaust is at your rear end, to hope the louder you are the safer you are is just false, that will only work when your rear end is at the same level as other motorists, and by that time your face may be facing the wrong way. Still, as long as u get the good sound and the others can also appreciate it you sir might have struck gold :)

@temproenterprises2424 3 жыл бұрын

I am with ya. I usually put a slip on on my bikes that saves some weight and ads some depth to the sound but is only a little louder than stock. I also stay off the throttle in residential neighbourhoods to keep the noise and the speed down. 🤓

@blacktemplars120 3 жыл бұрын

I have a 2018 Triumph Street twin the Tec bike parts Slip on's. just like you've said, they give my engine a nice low rumble, and it doesn't start screaming until the higher rev's. I fall in line with what you've said about pipes, i like them loud enough where i can hear it but not loud enough to piss someone off.

@halinabiegalski9509 3 жыл бұрын

Good balance. Great video...👍

@DifferentSpokesTV 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@pw3591 2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree with everything you said. Nice to have a bit more of a throaty rumble, but no need to wake up half the town.

@donshell9358 3 жыл бұрын

Yes! Modern cars are too insulated against sound now days, add a radio and running AC with the windows up and no driver is going to hear you. Thank you for stating this!

@jcliggett53 3 жыл бұрын

Nice video. I am considering purchasing the "Mivv Exhaust Mufflers Ghibli Black for Moto Guzzi V7 Classic". They look like they would be a great improvement visually, but I have been wondering about the sound. I had a bad experience with slip-on mufflers for an Indian Scout and do not want another set of obnoxiously loud pipes. I am mostly interested in the weight savings and the looks. Nice to know that the Mivv mufflers allow for fine-tuning the level of sound.

@jerryandnancywertzbaugher7778 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip on Mivv😎. Found one for my BMW F900XR for $365 in Titanium👍. Less than half the price of the next best item😱.

@Duckie313 3 жыл бұрын

I went through the exact same experience. Bought a new slip-on, did not like the sound with the baffle in, and found the no baffle too loud, modified the baffle and tuned it to just the right level of noise (I swapped the pipe in the baffle for a slightly wider one, and shortened it). For me it is more about getting the sound right, than making it loud.

@johnelaschat2462 3 жыл бұрын

Im right there with you in agreement, i dont care for stock mufflers, but extremely loud or open pipes sound ridiculous as well.

@CarysCorner 3 жыл бұрын

Initially wanted the Vance and Hines shortshots or sideshots on my Sportster because I thought they looked cool. Then I heard a couple sportsters with the shortshots, and decided in the interest of keeping neighborhood tranquility and my own eardrums, opted for the twin slash slip-ons. They look good and sound great, and on long trips, don’t give you a constant ringing in your ear after you stop.

@DifferentSpokesTV 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the Short Shots look great. I saw a guy ride by me on the street with them on once and could barely hear myself think.

@karlbishop7481 3 жыл бұрын

I have owned three Harleys in recent years. My Sportster had a stock exhaust. I cut the baffle out, drilled the holes larger and welded it back in. I achieved the rumble I was looking for withou excessive noise. My next was also a used bike, a Twin Cam with Screaming Eagle pipes. It sounded nice but on longer rides got to be tiring. I took the baffles out and welded in a diverter plate. Problem solved. My next bike was also a Twin Cam but new. It sounded like a sewing machine with all the engine clatter and almost no exhaust sound. I did the same thing as what I did to the Sportster again with good results. I now have a pair of Moto Guzzis, great sound straight from the factory. Good for me although some riders put aftermarket exhausts on theirs. I don't think they sound as good as the factory pipes.

@raulcarmello1163 3 жыл бұрын

Had a street legal screaming eagle slipons on my 2008 883 XL, loved the sound.Then I tried V&H straight shots on my 2016 heritage, hated it , too loud. Then I did it again, I installed V&H short shots on my 2018 breakout, and guess what, me and my neighbors of course, hated it. I even developed a condition called tinnitus.Learned my lesson, from now on only stock pipes.

@verlinswarey507 3 жыл бұрын

Your thoughts towards mufflers and noise mirror mine exactly! And I had honestly thought that the whole ‘loud pipes save lives’ thing was just supposed to be a joke. I definitely THOUGHT it was a joke. But this isn’t the first video I’ve seen on the subject,so I guess not!

@alexandrafasciano9501 3 жыл бұрын

As we have many controls by the friendly Policemen, is the exhaust with the cut baffle still in the DB Range?

@ChiliBuRevolution 3 жыл бұрын

edit: damn that Mivv pipe sounds nice and throaty! I have a DanMoto slip-on installed on my Ducati Flat Track Pro, no baffle BUT I live in the middle of the Chilcotin wilderness in BC and ride 80/20 offroad/road and have found that wild life pay attention to me and I like that as deer have the most annoying habit of freezing then darting in the opposite direction that you think they'll go, (usually right in front of you!) as well we have herds of wild horses roaming everywhere and they too get out of the way, it does sound amazing too, snap, crackles and pop on gear changes and decel, BUT my days of being a douch bag are long past and I get where you all are coming from in the comments, other issue is hearing, mine that is, long rides...well I've been using earplugs since my ol Buell XB9SX with it's D&D exhaust used to shred my ears. ride safe, ride often and always ATGATT! B^)

@DifferentSpokesTV 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Yes, out in the boonies deer are a problem. I find that ever since I put a couple of those cheap Canadian Tire deer whistles on my bikes I rarely hear them.

@corecass 3 жыл бұрын

i have got the storm [also mivv but with out mivv logo] and im happy. but i im thinking of replacing the exhaust when i let it mount higher up. saw wings has one for the t7 [ yea i know its a ktm exhaust. that's exactly why]

@1MrBryn 3 жыл бұрын

My F900r has an SC Project pipe and honestly it sounds lovely with the baffle in. When I was shopping around for a bike, I rode a Triumph Scrambler with a Vance and Hines system without a baffle, and it was just too loud. I'm getting old. 😅

@jamesonpace726 3 жыл бұрын

Well done...!

@DifferentSpokesTV 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@markhenry192 3 жыл бұрын

I have always thought people who claim "loud pipes save lives" know deep down it is untrue, they just like to be noticed and tend to have little consideration for others. However, like you stock is just a little too quiet! Good topic, thanks

@JC-yj8ut 3 жыл бұрын

This. Spent so much time scouring the internet to find slip ons for my Scout and found some that supposedly weren't ear shattering. They were still friggin loud as hell after I put them on, so I immediately bought the baffles for them, and now they're just a smidge louder than "just right". Always mind my right hand while in the neighborhood, and always clutch in while passing kids/baby carriages. If Indians stock performance exhaust wasn't so expensive I would have bought those. It's a bewildering wonder why nobody makes aftermarket slipons/full exhaust systems that aren't stupid loud but still give us, the rider, something nice to listen to while remaining at an acceptable noise level.

@DifferentSpokesTV 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. They sell you the pipe knowing you’ll probably come back for the baffle. Everything sounds quieter on KZfaq.

@amazingredkitty3605 2 жыл бұрын

I bought Tab Performance slip ons with the quiet baffles for my Scout and they are loud as hell. Contacted Tab and they said that the stock mufflers have the catalytic converters built in and the Tabs don't, so they don't benefit from silencing effect of the cats. They sound great but you have to be easy on the throttle to keep them quiet in the neighborhood. I'm guessing the OEM Scout performance exhaust cost twice as much as the others because they have the cats built in.

@cavscout62 2 жыл бұрын

I really like the sound of my ‘21 Tenere but I KNOW the Loud exhaust on other bikes I’ve owned have kept multiple cars/trucks from running me over. Period. This exhaust with half baffle sounds perfect!

@MrNick99 3 ай бұрын

7:08 "sensory deprivation tanks" hahaha 🤣

@gkl6566 3 жыл бұрын

Years ago, I had a Harley Fat Boy with aftermarket pipes. There were baffles involved, but they were cut down performance units that, under WOT operation, were as loud as open pipes. After eight years & 89,000 miles, I was sick of the racket. I sold that machine & have never changed the pipes on any bike since. I did notice that I was less noticed by other vehicles, pedestrians, etc on my stock exhaust bikes. Just a personal observation. Spokes, your bike sounds very nice & isn't too loud. Good choice.

@DifferentSpokesTV 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I’m happy with the sound too..

@cretualexandru9508 Жыл бұрын

Hi there! Isn't tenere 700 supposed to be 54 kw - 72 hp (68 nm) the stock version?

@ecrusch 3 жыл бұрын

My old Honda Shadow 1100 had open drag-pipes on it and was VERY loud. My new 1100 Honda Rebel has a Two Brothers Racing aftermarket slip-on and is loud when you want it to be and not loud when you don't. But a THOUSAND dollars for the Akropovic?! Holy Smokes!

@marvinr5054 3 жыл бұрын

I own a 2006 Electra Glide ultra classic with a twin cam 95 with cams I also had Vance & Hines ovals on the bike since the day I purchased it now after 13 or 14 years of ridding it I'm sick of the loud pipes so I do agree with you on your pipe choice and keeping the baffle but I do have one question for you I myself have changed back to a set of screaming eagle take off mufflers from a CVO 110 and the sound is perfect but I did have a mapping issue and had to remap the bike because it was running too rich at that point so do you have any concerns with your bike running to lean with the stock map?

@DifferentSpokesTV 3 жыл бұрын

So far I haven’t noticed it. From what I hear the FI adjusts to the pipe. My Harley was tuned in the shop, my Yamaha I did myself. I’ll have to keep an eye on it to be sure, but so far so good.

@marvinr5054 3 жыл бұрын

@@DifferentSpokesTV if I can give you one piece of advice install a new spark plug and read the spark plug the next time you change the oil to see if it's black or chalky white if it's too lean if lean is the case you can always close the gap a couple of points and that'll cause it to run a little bit richer. That's the way we used to do carburetors back in the old days. The new fuel injection ever since they started using O2 sensors they can adjust a few points richer and minus a few points and make it leaner and they call that long-term and short-term fuel curve but try a new plug you'd be surprised how it looks after 500 miles.

@alexandrafasciano9501 3 жыл бұрын

👍 Nailed it .....

@s2k442 Жыл бұрын

If you are wearing ear protection like you should is it really that bad?

@WyattWillis88 3 жыл бұрын

Man I really want a T700 seems like such a do it all bike with the ability to commute to work comfortably yet go out and blow off some steam on the weekends down some trails/fire roads while still feeling light enough that one could toss it around. I wonder if it is a sub 4 second 0-60 like the mt 07? P.S. I used to have screaming eagles on my 06 1200 low and you are spot on about them being the perfect volume louder than stock,gave a badass tone, yet not going to make your neighbors want to shoot you lol!

@jamesbarbato2192 3 жыл бұрын

Loud pipes don’t save anyone!!! I hear the loud Harley coming I don’t know from what direction and then it blows by me!! 😡 driving carefully and being aware of your surroundings saves lives!!!

@DifferentSpokesTV 3 жыл бұрын

Good point.

@timbrowning4142 3 жыл бұрын

But you did hear it and were looking for it that means it did make a difference Hmmm

@jase1911 2 жыл бұрын

@@timbrowning4142 Exactly...

@jamesbarbato2192 2 жыл бұрын

@@timbrowning4142 I wasn’t looking for it I was in my car keeping my eyes on the road in front of me.

@timbrowning4142 2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesbarbato2192 BUT YOU DID HEAR IT 😂😂😂

@LoganMaclaren 3 жыл бұрын

I use to own a Suzuki VX800, which was bought second-hand, with straight pipes. Two things happened simultaneously: first, I use to go to work very early in the morning, which results in complaints about the noise and, second, I went on a trip that first weekend, and got there and back with a headache and with my ear ringing. I replaced the straight pipes with the original ones the same night, after getting back from the trip. It was also very, very annoying to listen to dozens of bikes with no mufflers every night, so I thought that my neighbors were entitled to some level of peace and quiet inside their houses. That said, it was a 1993 VX800, which had a nice rumble even with the original pipes... that's hard to say about present-day bikes.

@tomekvilmovskiy6547 3 жыл бұрын

In our places many people install aftermarket pipes and sell stock ones... then start looking to buy stock back ) Loud sound gives a headache if you're riding for hours. Also, there was a test about the pros of loud pipes in traffic. The test showed... no special difference, as the sound goes back, drivers in front still don't hear you (most likely, we're talking about the same test)

@DifferentSpokesTV 3 жыл бұрын

Good point. You only really hear motorcycles once the've passed you. Maybe the pipes should point forward :)

@felipedourado5721 3 жыл бұрын

Many years ago I bought a used Harley that came with Screamin' Eagle mufflers, they used to sound deep and not too loud, I liked them very much. Some years after I switched that bike for an other used Harley that came equiped with some Vince & Hines short shots. For many years I appreciated the rumble it does, but I always missed the deep note of the Screamin' Eagle and, more recently, I got myself finding the roar of those Vince & Hines a little tiresome, specially on longer trips. So, I recently bought the original exhaust sistem and gonna fit it to the bike soon. And, not in a much distant future, I'll may move away from the motor co. in favor of something brand new, smaller and more practical (I already got an idea on that respect). In that case, I'll keep the original mufflers until I'm able to switch to a pair of S&S street legal on wich I'll tend to keep the baffles on. For me, what keep us, bikers, alive is not noise, but to have one eye on the road and the other "patrolling" distracted drivers that surrounds us like they are on a chasing mission. As usual you did a informative, fun and sensible video. I liked very much when you pointed out how drivers tend to be more interessed in checking their cel phones while driving than being concerned about killing someone else (and, let's concede, even themselves). It's a shame that those same drivers won't be whatching your, and many other videos, that talk about their manners and responsibilities. Anyway, congrats from Brazil.

@singlespeedman 3 жыл бұрын

It looks exactly like the Leo Vince I installed on my NC700.

@StoicRiding 3 жыл бұрын

Hey mate, love your videos and I agree with your points. I do more or less the same with my bikes going out of the little village where I live or coming back. The only thing I would like to mention, I watch that Rumanian study, and it's not quite scientific and there are a lot of factors not taken in account to get to a conclusion so definitive as "loud pipes don't save lives". There are other things, like coming from other directions and distracted pedestrians, static traffic, etc. Just wanted to mention that, keep the good work man! And lovely pick of bikes.

@DifferentSpokesTV 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I guess the lives they’re usually understood as saving are the motorcyclists’.

@StoicRiding 3 жыл бұрын

@@DifferentSpokesTV Well, it may save a fall hitting a pedestrian, could be called "loud pipes avoid hitting distracted pedestrians". Maybe saving lives is a big statement, but saying that don't save it it's even bigger, should have had in account all accidents and from the data having the conclusion that never saved any live, or lives. This is the study that the advrider mention. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rJ-Bh7OqsrCrl6M.html If you see, the tests were only taken stationary and with the motorcycle in one direction. Not having in account Doppler that even may reduce the incoming sound. You could be passing stationary traffic people with open windows or just moving traffic in the motorway with high revs but low relative speed difference. My point is not saying that saves lives, but that I don't think the study refutes the theory.

@mrc9699 3 жыл бұрын

Well, let's see . . . after that last video of yours where you were trying to convince everyone that a Kawasaki Ninja 1000SX is a touring bike, and now putting a slip-on on a Yamaha Tenere 700, I'm beginning to question your judgement. Since I've been following you (I call you the philosopher) I've really enjoyed hearing you expound on a variety of subjects in the motorcycle world, but you're really stretching your credibility here. But, and however, keep up the good work. you're a refreshing change to most of what's on KZfaq!

@ThanhLai5 3 жыл бұрын

Love the balanced approach here. In my country (Vietnam), big bike riders usually install after-market loud pipes and then go down to the busy streets squeezing the throttles just like 5:38 to have fun and seemingly gain attention (rich-people-in-developing-country mentality). That behavior annoys me so much. I love bikes but there's no way I'll be a part of their community LOL I'd love to have exhaust with good sound because it's a part of the fun, but don't want to accidentally cause a heart attack on a random grandpa or grandma when I ride past them.

@michaelhayward7572 3 жыл бұрын

Tbh, for a stock looking and sounding pipe in 2020/21, the T7 stock silencer is pretty damn good.

@jasonchaney5382 3 жыл бұрын

All my Harleys had Vance & Hines because they because they struck a nice balance between good sound, but not too loud. Currently my 890 Adventure sounds a little too much like George Jetson's flying car, and that's gotta change! I'd love to get an Acrapovic slip on, but yeah... ouch. Probably end up with an Arrow.

@thinkingoutloud9126 3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. But SE are still a bit too quiet. I like much louder but I don’t like the super loud pipes like fishtails or zombie. I have a KW 4.5 on my harley and it’s still a bit too loud, but just a bit. It may be that my helmet sucks more than the slip-ons are too loud. Lol

@seisamigos397 3 жыл бұрын

I bought a Dominator muffler for the same reasons but it’s half the price. Stainless steel nice build quality. Sounds identical. It’s made in Poland and got here 5 days after I ordered it.

@DifferentSpokesTV 3 жыл бұрын

Nice! Thanks for the info.

@grego10r 3 жыл бұрын

u should have gone with black widow exhaust 180$ and perfect sound and looks good quality

@rock801 3 жыл бұрын

the increase across the whole range is more important than the max value improvement.

@kees-tanis 3 жыл бұрын

But they do! Pedestrians! Both on my R90S long ago and my current pensioners V8 convertible I did a 'sound upgrade' and never have to do an emergency stop for pedestrians any more. Even senior citizens who cross rthe street w/o looking, trusting their deaf ears are much safer now!

@rafamroczko6132 3 жыл бұрын

I share your attitude towards loud exhaust. But I'm old, lol.

@gerardmontgomery280 3 жыл бұрын

Even in my cheap 15 yeah old Vauxhall/Opel Corsa I can't hear bikes coming by me and I'm a biker, I'm looking out for bikes. I had a Sportster with chopped pipes filter past and as the study said, only heard him when he was right beside me.

@vancemarin8022 3 жыл бұрын

Personally as a rider I want my bike as quiet as possible,if I could get a pipe Quieter than stock for my KTM I would !! Loud pipe's don't save lives as much as good defensive driving skills !! 🇨🇦🇨🇦

@gkl6566 3 жыл бұрын

Electric may be a good option if gas isn't quiet enough

@vancemarin8022 3 жыл бұрын

@@gkl6566 Good idea But I absolutely HATE the whine Electric bikes make !! 😖

@gkl6566 3 жыл бұрын

@@vancemarin8022 Totally understand

@MotoMechzorz 3 жыл бұрын

I got my DRZ400 with a full yoshi already on it. Even with the spark arrester it's a bit much. My ninja 1000 is super quiet stock but since it's a dual exhaust model I need 2 slip ons and my options are pricey.

@rw9737 3 жыл бұрын

Get a another original ones and drill inside baffles. Save yours pipes and money and be happy.

@user-fm7dz9kc7y 3 жыл бұрын

Nice🏍️👍🏻

@kostasrestas Жыл бұрын

What do you mean it feels pepier ??

@larunaaxthemischievous9762 3 жыл бұрын

yah know i've owned a few different Harley motorcycles started on a 750 street, upgraded to a fatbob that i sadly wrecked but gladly walked away from, got a HD Roadster, and now upgraded to the new Pan Am, i see the pros and cons of both, Honestly the loud pipes are nice for city riding where you can enjoy the various sounds of the pipes and lets you hear better through a helmet what the machine is doing but are very obnoxious for long periods of time and can mentally exhaust the rider faster, quiet pipes are amazing for if you're wanting a much more relaxed and simple atmosphere, honestly highly recommended for a more experienced rider who can feel more than hear what the bike is doing but as a result you lose a lot of the atmosphere and theater and possible a very small amount of safety having such a quiet motorcycle

@markcollins5026 3 жыл бұрын

Man. At least it made your wallet lighter so you'll go faster !

@PaulsMotoZen 3 жыл бұрын

I am just fine with stock exhaust. Once the stock exhaust fails, then upgrading is an option.

@grinmaul4511 3 жыл бұрын

I had to pause this vid while some open pipe harley asshat blasted down our quiet residential street, including the unnecessary whacking of the throttle 3 times at the stop sign:( i am in the same boat as you, i want to enjoy the sound of my bike but no one 3 blocks away needs to. i cut my baffle down just a bit on a GPR system.

@engrcumins9809 Жыл бұрын

I love the sound of a throaty v8 but I hate the sound of a throaty v6 or an i4. I removed the baffles on a Harley Deuce that I bought new and thought it sounded great but when I switched to a Goldwing I learned to appreciate the quiet of the exhaust which made the sounds of the engine more noticeable and very enjoyable. I would change the exhaust on a Tenere too but, primarily to relocate the muffler and to reduce the weight. If I could do that and keep it relatively quiet would be my preference. Loud pipes do not save lives. I guarantee it. I'm a retired Locomotive Engineer and I'm pretty sure that a locomotive whistle/horn has never been installed to blow to the rear. And, in my 42 years of railroading I can assure you that cagers don't even hear the horn on a locomotive even when it's blowing right at them. You don't want to know how I know that.

@robertbelote5273 3 жыл бұрын

Cool video man , @scott free took the words from my mouth. I dont think any audio will ever beat being next to it. With that being said , im going to ask did it sound anemic even with the miiv? Not trying to talk crap im just asking.

@DifferentSpokesTV 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Once the baffle was cut it got a nicer sound. The stock baffle is on the quiet side.

@VolodymyrPavlyuk 3 жыл бұрын

Cannot imagine a multi day trip on a motorcycle equipped with a loud pipe. My stock exhaust sounds too loud to me, and that’s when I ride with earplugs, which I always do. I don’t hesitate to use the horn as it works way better than loud engine. Also good brakes and good braking skills saved my life countless times.

@allenlipscomb9872 3 жыл бұрын

It isn't about moving vehicles, but when you are stopped at a traffic light loud pipes will alert the people coming up behind you. The number of people that get rear-ended is unreal!

@rm25088 Жыл бұрын

much better without the baffle. im looking at a mivv exhaust for my tl1000r. As long as the slip ons can fit on my mid pipes. i already have a after market full exhaust put the mufflers are garbage.

@TheRoadWarrior96 3 жыл бұрын

From my experience commuting on busy UK roads, more people make space for you while filtering on a loud bike, which would mean that yes some people hear you coming. Chances are it wont save your life but it is rather conveinient parting a sea of cars like moses on a Kawasaki with no baffles in!

@jackalkire3469 3 жыл бұрын

mass of a boss hoss...lol When you take the baffle out, it does NOT sound like a Yamaha lol I think it sounds great - but then, I'm "that" guy

@rock801 3 жыл бұрын

I sold my DSX 5 from Shark, some Italian sausage but I returned to the stock muffler.

@raoulraoulsen4716 3 жыл бұрын

Big thing here in Germany these days, loud pipes. Most bikers try to get their volume down, at least in populated areas. There have been a lot of restrictions on routes popular for bikes, culminating in nitpicking road checks for motorcycles. Lot of people had their bikes grounded on the spot and the exhaust confiscated as evidence, and some roads have been closed completely for motorcycles. Most riders are like 'better ride quietly than having it banned'. Myself, I have a v-twin bike with an aftermarket exhaust with baffles, and I have recently repacked the cans with new wool. I like the rumble, but I understand people who are fed up with hearing lots of rumbles all day. So in urban areas, I control the volume with my right hand. I also consider downgrading to stock. Worst guys are - sorry to say - Harley riders with straight pipes, ATVs and 50 cc scooters with that obnoxious ear-piercing squeal. Both types also tend to uselessly rev their engines for extra attention. Fun fact - manufacturers tend to use overly long transmission ratios so they lower the revs in the approval test procedures (admittable volume at a defined speed and gear, i.e. 80 dB at 50 km/h in 2nd and 3rd gear anf full acceleration). So many guys I know put a few extra teeth on the rear sprocket to improve rideability.

@DifferentSpokesTV 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info. In the dual sport world almost everyone is gearing their bikes lower.

@RebelCowboysRVs Жыл бұрын

Dont know about cars, but I live in the mountains, an everything I own is loud because of deer. Lot of deer around here an its always the nice quet cars hitting them. I get to watch a lot of them on my property. Deer bolt when they think the "preditor" is getting to close to them. A quiet car gets pretty close before deer react. Sometimes they will run right in to the side of the car. The trucks with loud tires an the bikes with loud pipes, they usually run before they get within a half mile of the deer. How loud is enough? Probably about half as loud as my stuff is. I have been told my trucks tires can be heard for about a mile and a half on a quiet day. You can hear my pipes about half that. Almost hit a horse once, but no deer. And I have never came around a corner to see kids playing in the road. They have always moved to the side by the time I see them. Loud is worth that to me. But I am just driving, I am not revbombing everyone. I dont think anyone cars of something loud drives by. But hang around acting a fool, an they will start noticing your loud too.

@timbrowning4142 3 жыл бұрын

I'm sure scientist we're riding up and down the road on loud bikes in the UK wow

@himydad1499 3 жыл бұрын

I ride the T7 rally with the Acra standard (2 pipe version) My fellow-riders say it sounds great. Personally I don't care to much about the noise, cause I always ride with earplugs. If you want to save weight some people maybe should go on a diet 😁 If you want to go science, also think of the dopplereffect. Another reason why we're not heard BTW always nice to hear your grey opinion. To much black an white out there.👍

@brianq103 3 жыл бұрын

If I didn't crash on the right side of the bike so much off-road, I would have kept mine stock. As it is, I went with a high mount exhaust on my T7. Also, since you showed riding in the sand, other than the obvious better tires, I found that increasing the compression damping a bit on the forks helps keep the front end from diving as much in the dry sand. Poorer pavement curve carving though...😉

@nbrider7235 3 жыл бұрын

I can't stand loud pipes, I don't expect bikes to be whisper quiet but if you are setting off car alarms as you drive by you have gone too far. Of the 9 street bikes I have owned in my life I have only changed the exhaust on 2: I put a Vance & Hines Q Series (Q for quiet) with the additional quiet baffle on my '03 HD Night Train for a power upgrade, it is slightly louder than stock but not obnoxious. I had a '14 Honda CB1100 that I swapped out the exhaust purely for cosmetic reasons as the stock unit was massive, sound didn't really change much. I have no plans to change the exhaust on my new HD Pan America.

@Rob-lj1jl 3 жыл бұрын

I have 3 bikes. A 99 Valkyrie Interstate with normal exhaust 6 into 6 inside 2 pipes. I like it because at 100kph I can talk out loud to myself and hear myself fine. I have a 96 Shadow Ace 1100 with cobra pipes with proper baffles and its a single pin motor that sounds nice idling and puttering around but under load way too loud. The I have a 96 Sporty 1200 stage 4 with v&h straight shots with proper baffles and its way too loud even at idle. I ride at lower rpms to cut down the noise and under load its insane. I have to wear ear plugs on it. Both bikes are fully baffled. Not drilled out or modified at all. I dont know why cobra and v&h insist on making pipes so loud. Needless to say the Harleys in town with no baffles are horrible. PS. V&H does not make pipes for the 96 Sporty anymore so they dont sell the quiet baffle for it either. I wrote them last year and they are beautiful pipes and I can afford to just throw away $1000 pipes.

@CathodeRayNipplez 3 жыл бұрын

Why are bike mufflers so expensive when compared to their bigger car brothers?

@DifferentSpokesTV 3 жыл бұрын

Bikes are luxury items so I guess they figure we can afford it.

@khaccanhle1930 3 жыл бұрын

FMF with a power bomb. Increased power and parts traffic like Moses and the Red Sea.

@raoulraoulsen4716 3 жыл бұрын

Actually, most aftermarket exhausts steal a few hp from your bike, as manufacturers optimize their pipes so the engine works best - and by best I don't mean only peak performance, but also in terms of fuel consumption (optimum cylinder filling), durability (think internal cooling) etc. Most people buy their pipes only to get louder and don't even care about performance. Noise regulations are also a point, sure, but as I said elsewhere, manufacturers have other ways to deal with that, too, longer end gear ratios for example. The 2021 Honda Fireblade meets EU regulations by a flap exhaust and a very long gear ratio, all adjusted so the legal demands are met at exactly the required conditions. In all other rpm ranges, the bike gets excruciatingly loud, and on the twisties, it becomes almost unrideable, because you can't use the enormous power due to the gear ratio. Btw. the guy and his company are pronounced 'ah-KRAH-po-vitsh'... he's Slovenian ;-)

@dalekidd420 3 жыл бұрын

Truth is, when I look at aftermarket exhausts, I'm more interested in the performance gain and the weight savings than I am the sound. Yeah, I really do like a bike to have a nice rumble to it... but not so loud that you're breaking noise ordinances or pissing off the neighbours. Those just lead to unnecessary hassles. And if you're riding distance, really loud pipes can start to wear on you after while... I know lots of riders who have to wear earplugs to be comfortable on their own bike, and in my estimation that's not only stupid, it's dangerous; it restricts your ability to hear traffic sounds around you that just might save your life.

@gkl6566 3 жыл бұрын

It's not stupid, or dangerous for me. I find that I can hear better without wind noise filling my ears. Personal preference.

@dalekidd420 3 жыл бұрын

@@gkl6566 But NOT because the noise of your own exhaust is giving you a headache, which is what I was referencing...

@simonbarrow479 3 жыл бұрын

The only vehicles’ exhaust noise I hear where I live are motorcycles. Loud pipes will draw the ire of others and hence the authorities who will start to put restrictions in place. There are already noise cameras in some cities. But then again in 10 years it will all be electric so no more loud pipes! Personally I prefer riding off road under the radar so quiet is my choice.

@darylclifford 3 жыл бұрын

Ducati with Termignoni pipes here, and no baffle (neighbors don’t complain) !! EDIT : Termi pipes in Australia cost AU$2.5k back in 2007. At that price I expect to get my money’s worth of sound. Luckily, they’re not obnoxiously loud and give off a true Ducati L-Twin deep sound

@jase1911 2 жыл бұрын

Just adding my comment to the mix I will say this, a crotch rocket wide open screaming from a long distance away got my attention in a semi, with my stereo on... long before it came flying past... So my opinion is they do help in some cases (loud pipes)

@vferdman 3 жыл бұрын

If you didn't open up the intake, opening up the exhaust should do absolutely NOTHING to performance. That's just the laws of physics and I believe are non-negotiable. Once you do open up the intake to match the opened up exhaust, you will need to adjust air and fuel delivery in order to take advantage of the opened up respiration. But even before doing the fuel delivery adjustment an improvement will probably be there somewhat. But only exhaust or only intake, you get nothing in terms of performance. It is all in your head (louder=more power).

@mpcinlv 2 жыл бұрын

IMO ... It is all about the pipe. Stock systems mask the character of most ever bike. Even my staid BMW RT became a much more enjoyable ride with the addition of a Laser exhaust. My FJ-09 sounded like a denuded sewing machine with it's stock pipe. A Delvik brought it to life. It's not so much that I like to take my bikes for a ride ... It's more that I'd like to ride with them and hear every note they sing as we tackle a grade or drop into valley.

@dredeth 3 жыл бұрын

They do. But whatever makes you happy...

@SamiNami 3 жыл бұрын

I honestly want a quieter pipe. But there are no one on the aftermarket who makes one...

@t_c5266 3 жыл бұрын

Should change the saying to "loud pipes scare drivers, hurt their ears, and make them kinda wish you get hit" I'm all for a good sounding bike. But when you got that guy hitting the rev limiter with straight pipes when my window is open, as he weavers through 30mph traffic. Yeah. He can go ahead and become one with the pavement

@johnpotter4210 3 жыл бұрын

Idk how people make the argument that they don’t save lives. I’m sure none of the anti loud pipe people commute in a major city. They don’t work great at speed on the interstate but they definitely alert people to your presence in high congestion situations where people make random moves and lane changes with no warning.