Universal Audio Apollo vs Presonus Quantum | Do Audio Converters Make a Difference?
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@DarwinTilleryMedia 2 жыл бұрын
Whoa! I really enjoyed your video. You did a great job setting up this comparison and you are concise with your dialogue. I'm very much looking forward to the follow up video. Keep up the great content!
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you!
@2011Rollsroyce 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Dave please Keep up the great work your doing in 2022, God Bless you and Merry Christmas and have a Blessed New Year.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you my friend. We will see how things go on this channel moving forward.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Another thing to keep in mind is that when you run a mix through a console 2 times in a row, the SSL components could react slightly different between the two passes. Analog gear does that as well
@MartinVanDerSande 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dave, a great comparison and I feel personally that using your ears for the gear rather than looking at the marketing goes a long way. Great video as ever!
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
It sure does and 99% of people don't get that concept. If I told everyone which was which I would be most people would say the Apollo sounded best because of the price tag. Its human nature....LOL
@Noisa 2 жыл бұрын
@@MixingMusicAnalog right? On topic but different scenario, I recently got an Apollo usb in great condition for $350, so I couldn’t pass it up. Of course they send you all of these coupons and I wanted to dive into buying a bunch, but held off as I demoed a variety from other developers as well, so I could hopefully only get the ones that there are no replacement for. Honestly, in the end, UAD had some better offerings in some plugs, but some others sounded better to my ear as well at half the cost. Just had to keep reminding myself that just because UAs are more expensive doesn’t inherently make them all better than the competition.
@Rhythmattica 2 жыл бұрын
@@MixingMusicAnalog Im Still rockin 2 x Original FW Apogee ensembles (still work under 10.14 and thus far 11.. Thanks to Core Audio System wide drivers)....They still sound 'most excellent" Thats my excuse.
@kennethwilliams4725 2 жыл бұрын
@@MixingMusicAnalog I don't know which was which ( Presonus or Apollo) and I'm an Apollo x8p owner. I do know that "very" slightly #2 sounded better to me and I was listening in my studio. Contrary to what someone else said, A person that is trained to listen will hear a difference. Now whether that difference is preferable or not to the other is a matter of personal taste. But as I said I know which sounded better to my ear. I'd love to know which was which.
@peterk743 2 жыл бұрын
I use RME fireface 800s. I bought a Quantum for my live rig and love it. I would have no issue recording and mixing with them. They are amazing!
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@Decedo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks great video. I think the differences are very slight, although I did hear a slight difference in the mid frequencies. Mix 1 was a little warmer around 3k-5k, and mix 2 was a little thinner
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting!
@andrewhunt9058 2 жыл бұрын
Love the set up guys. This set of videos really helped me make up my mind to upgrade my ageing firewire Focusrite interfaces (Liquid Saffire 56, Saffire pro 40 and Octapre) which I use to plug all my hardware synths into so that I can use them like 'plug ins'. I recently purchased a new M1 MacBook Pro Max which Focusrite are no longer supporting, driver wise (the infuriating cause of all my interface de-commissions!). Ended up with the Quantum 2626 which is a great value proposition and seeing you guys happy to convert the input/output of a ~£40k SSL desk really makes the case that these quantum interfaces are disrupting the traditional high end audio game. The cherry on the cake is the 2626 has 2 adat ports (2 ins and outs) that allow me to use my old Focusrites in 'standalone' mode giving me 16 more inputs/ouputs. Latency is also non existent when recording. :)
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
I am glad the video has helped :)
@joeridder3 2 жыл бұрын
2 things. 1-First. 2-They, to me, sound exactly the same and i look forward to one day owning a quantum when the day comes such a device is needed in me studio. And thank you for all your vids i really enjoy your content and your way of explaining things. Also i would love for you to do a full mixdown of a song youve recorded. They are my favorite type of videos regarding audio recording, when an engineer goes througj the entire process from tracking notes to final mastering.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
I have done a mixing down on the in the past
@Charliemac1393 Жыл бұрын
Great reference video, understandable education, easy to understand an relatable. I appreciate the knowledge! Peace an blessings be upon you!
@MixingMusicAnalog Жыл бұрын
Much appreciated Thank you for your support!
@hjorte. 2 жыл бұрын
Great preparation and presentation, Dave!
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@michaeltablet8577 2 жыл бұрын
Great video as always! Very honest and informative! Thank you so very much!
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@ianmcgranaghan9888 2 жыл бұрын
Loved the test!! I couldn’t tell the difference and have no idea which is which hahaha but that’s good I guess so that there’s not a quality difference! I would definitely sell the Apollo’s and buy 2 Of the presonus so I have money to buy some outboard gear such as effects units!!! Great video and loved how in depth you went with it. Thank you!!! Merry Christmas!!
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@RETCHED-METAL 2 жыл бұрын
Cool I just got the 48x48 its on the truck coming my way. Cant wait to get my patch bay working. I've been staring at my analog rack all year trying to get it into my daw n not having enough IO.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Congrats on your purchase.
@Kauzzi1 2 жыл бұрын
As a studio one user for the last 5 to 6 years (so tired of people asking me why I don't even open pro tools anymore), I would have to say for the bang for buck it would be the quantum. My dream interface is an Apollo, but some of us are on a 9 to 5 budget lol. Great vids my guy, I've been learning and most importantly relearning a lot of things I've forgotten over the years of going from analog to completely in the box
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Glad we are helping and serving a purpose
@JeanmarkRodriguez 2 жыл бұрын
I’m at my day job right now listening to this on my iPhone earbuds and if I CAN’T notice the difference at all between both of them through these earbuds were I listen to music everyday and I already know if a mix is good or not than PreSonus is doing a great job. When I get back to my studio I’ll give this video a second listen through my studio monitors. Thank you for these types of videos. I wanted someone to compare that Quantum to a higher end converter. I got the Quantum 26x32 which is $999 and to me the conversion is great but the best part of these Quantums is the total integration with Studio One. They are built to be controlled mainly through Studio One. You barely have to enter Universal Control. If you end up getting 2 Quantums I would highley recommend buying an external Word Clock so you Can push those converters to it’s limits. Get the Black Lion Audio Micro Clock MKIII XB Master Clock. Thanks again.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Ok, thanks
@cjwallgor 2 жыл бұрын
this is Charlie - formerly of AudioScape; I remember you well - you're AWESOME! ANYHOW! This is an AWESOME test! I wasn't familiar with the Quantuam4848 but DANG - that thing would be PERFECT for my needs. All that yummu I/O & beautiful conversion for only $1500 - INSANE! That being said, I "THINK" I hear a slightly more punchy/solid kick drum & SLIGHTLY more glued kick/bass gtr relationship in MIX 2. Reading through the comments and I see the majority of folks weighing in are favoring MIX 2 but then exclaiming the high-end sounds better/different/etc - to my ears, everything from basically 120hz and up is IDENTICAL - but the difference I'm hearing in the 120hz-ish and down area could certainly be biased by wayyyyy too many other factors - perhaps because the track is green? Or because it's kind of in the center of the video? Or because you started with Mix 1 first? Everyone kind of catch my drift? Hahaha... please let me know which is which! Honestly, it really doesn't matter at the end of the day though - way way way to close to make an unbiased judgement and because this is YT and my eyes/visual cortex is involved - I simply can't help myself... and yes, I DID close my eyes, in a dimly lit room, as I always do when trying to critically listen 😜😜 Cheers brotha and thanks again! 😎✌❤
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Charles! I love Audio-Scape equipment! They make really wonder gear and affordable prices!
@scottspaulding7965 2 жыл бұрын
Your timing on this vid was fantastic for me. Currently have a 16 sum set up using two Apolo x8. Was going to get a x16 for 32 sum set up until I saw the price increase . Then was looking at the 48 from presonus. To my ears in my studio I really could not hear a diffreance. For $1500.00 I will give a shot and can always return it. Would use my Apolos for tracking and 48 for sum mixing with hardware is my thought. I have plenty of uad dsp for mixing but seance I went to a sum set up with hardware I use way less plugins . Appreciate what do here . Very insightful.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Scott!
@nicolasmelgarejo 2 жыл бұрын
Incredible video Dave thank you very much for everything you are sharing and teaching us ... I think it would have been interesting to invert the phase of the tracks ... there then we would hear if there is any difference ... once I did that experiment exporting Mixes of logic and pro tools to see if there is any difference in the software and to my surprise it was completely silent when reversing the phase ... but it would be great if you can share part of the tracks that you printed so we do that experiment ... May the successes continue for you and your work! Cheers!
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
no reason for that. Its two different units with different component inside so there has to be some difference right? The point is....can you actually hear the difference. 98% of people listen with their eyes and not their ears. they see me muting and unmuting and are telling them selfs they hear something different.
@robertl.6919 2 жыл бұрын
@@MixingMusicAnalog Do we need " reasons" to do a curiosity test ?😁 I mean, it would be interesting to hear whats going on with these 2 units... Or in other words, what parts of the spectrum is " missing" if you pay 1/3 of the price ? Please ? And Merry Christmas Dave !
@nicolasmelgarejo 2 жыл бұрын
@@MixingMusicAnalog of course ... what I want to get to with the proposal I made was to actually know exactly what the difference is ... but I understand your point and you are very right ... I hope I can see more about how the tests you are doing are progressing ! Cheers!
@ci8298 2 жыл бұрын
I feel the green waveform sounds more open, snappy and has more definition on the high end. I like it better. To me there is a difference. Let's see next week which converter corresponds to the each track.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
hummm, interesting
@MrTruwall 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you, I know that UA sound 😂
@henrikhansson1 2 жыл бұрын
Of course. Green always sound better.
@royrivers3735 2 жыл бұрын
I watched the mutes carefully for the first minute or so (which sounded exactly the same to me), and then closed my eyes and listened even more intently for the rest of it. To my ears there were no perceptible changes in the quality of any of it. I admit, I don't know exactly what I was listening for... when it comes to AD/DA conversion, but my gut tells me that if I'm listening that intently and can't discover any differences at all, then that bodes very well for the value of the PreSonus.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@ChrisBrooker 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I love my 4848 and feel like its one of the best purchases I've made in a whiiiiiiile. They're also DC coupled if you want to get some CV into your modular gear!
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@knuckleheadrecordingstudio2050 2 жыл бұрын
I did hear a little more punch in mix 2. Kick specifically. Also I felt the vocal push toward a hair in a nice way. There was something in the low end or low mid area in mix 1 that worked for the bass and possibly the littlest bit more depth and space overall of the track in mix 1. No matter what mix is which, the difference wasn't big enough to spend an extra $7,500 on the UAD Apollo's to my ears. Both sounded great
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@soundboyinc_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@MixingMusicAnalog No way can you tell the difference and I had on my Beyerdynamic headphones for this test on and I am an Apollo user, like Mr. Dave said, "Everyone opionion matters! but on the conversion on both units, they both sounded the same
@eternalgospels 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, the green sounded more defined and cleaner.
@brianvillage5 2 жыл бұрын
$7,500 for an Apollo? Who are you buying gear from?
@MrCrabbattle 11 ай бұрын
I Agree, the attack of the kick and bass together was noticeable punchier, not a lot but enough to discern. eek I have two apollos and haven't looked at the end of these videos, but I'm afraid of what I'm about to find lol.
@chagize 2 жыл бұрын
Incredibly informative video! We had to wait a long time for something like this. For me track 2 has a bit more "information" and relaxed quality. Both sound good. But as a studio manager I would buy track 2
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@SoundsLikeLotus 2 жыл бұрын
I think mix 2 does sound a little better especially in the high frequency region. Also with the depth of the drum room and overall marrying of all the sounds together. Somewhat subtle though.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@amossingleton7921 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome shootout vid! They sound close enough to me to NOT spend the extra 💰. One other plus with the Q4848, especially with a configuration like yours is that you can use one of your 3 UA’s via ADAT on the Q4848 and have 48 ins and outs. I actually use an older Apogee AD16x with my Q4848 seamlessly. 👍🏾👍🏾
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Great tip! thanks for watching!
@popsfitch7938 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. can’t wait for the upcoming video could save me big $. I am upgrading my studio soooooo you next will be most helpful. Sincerely, Pops Fitch
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
You got it Pops!
@DragonBiscuit 2 жыл бұрын
How is it possible you have so few subscribers? Great channel and appreciate your personality as well - jealous of the SSL and and NG bus comp 😮 cool shoot out - my x16s sound okay - but are way too expensive. Once I started tracking with the Burl and then started mixing through Dangerous dac/adc 🎉 it was a huge difference… definitely sounds way better - “open” comes to mind. UA has been resting on the selling point of their plugins for a long time. I was so heavily invested from the past that I just also went with something that I knew. If I could do it again it would be RME for the I/O and Dangerous for the rest.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching and for the kind words!
@beesmith5379 2 жыл бұрын
Mix A sounds slightly brighter than B but they both sound perfectly fine. Thank you for sharing Dave, this was a great comparison because I have been on the fence about the 4848 but not anymore it doesn’t matter which was which the difference is so slight I will go with what my budget can afford at the moment.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@beesmith5379 2 жыл бұрын
@@MixingMusicAnalog You’re welcome I am behind in viewing your videos I have much to catch up on. Thank you for always providing such great insight.
@the1songwriter Жыл бұрын
What a well made, detailed and thoroughly enjoyable video, not to mention very informative! In regards to which sounded better, here is what my ears heard; the green sounded slightly more punchy, had a bit more clarity while being slightly more airy. The purple was a bit more subdude and mellow. While both sounded amazing, if I were to pick one, I'd go with the green. Now, I can't wait to discover which was which unit! Also, I'm about to subscribe. :)
@MixingMusicAnalog Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Welcome to our family!
@the1songwriter Жыл бұрын
@@MixingMusicAnalog Thank you!
@hondbanjer 2 жыл бұрын
its a pity you didn't do a Null-test. That way you can tell the difference between the converters. I'm nowhere near my headphones or monitors, so I can't tell much about the differenec listening on laptop speakers. You did a nice job on this test, keep the videos coming!
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
no reason for that. Use your ears, not your eyes. That is what this video was all about. Keeping it simple.....how does it sound? That's all that matters.
@GTStudioAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
For me, there is no difference between the conversion of both. Tks for this test! Congrats.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@oledahl. 2 жыл бұрын
Tbh I don't think I can hear a difference. But like you say we do have a tendency (or at least many of us) to listen with our eyes. And I can tell that because: When I listen and pay attention to you switching channels I think I can hear a difference, but as soon as I close my eyes I have no idea which one of them is playing or when you switch. So that only means that I'm imagining stuff right? Thx a lot for taking the time to make this video. And other videos. I instantly subbed. I have subscribed to so many other ppl on KZfaq too but I find it harder and harder to find something without clock baits or real good info/learning material. Keep it up and ill watch everything you post and comment and like. I'll even advise my colleagues to watch your channel. 😉👍👏👏👏
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! This channel is all about being is honest and un-biased as possible. It also serves as a learning experience for us. There is no one on KZfaq that is showing hybrid mixing in the way we are trying to show it, so we really appreciate all the support and the kind words. Unfortunately, when it comes to analog equipment there are a lot of people who get down right nasty and personal and I spend quite a bit of time deleting comments and blocking people from this channel.....LOL
@jaydiggsmusic 2 жыл бұрын
I instantly heard more top end in mix 1! It's subtle but undeniable to me.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Great!
@DadRockAndGuitars 2 жыл бұрын
I listened through on my Yamaha HS8 speakers while watching and then listened again with my screen just out of view. When I thought I heard a change I'd look over to see if you had switched. Every time I looked over, you had switched. The green mix seemed to be a bit more open and wider. I would look when I heard the stereo image collapse a bit and you'd be on the purple mix. But I'm not a pro and not as trained in the ears as some. What I was hearing was very subtle so I'm willing to accept that I'm just hearing things. As for which is which, I have no idea but I preferred the green mix. I don't usually nerd out about such minor differences, but this one was fun!
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@PepeRubio77 2 жыл бұрын
I have to say I hear practically identical both mixes. Probably one of the in the solo part sounds to me different, like less fat, but the rest is the same for me. Thank you fr the video.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@RogerWessel 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Have an Apollo X8. Don’t use the preamps anymore, so have been thinking about moving to X16 or similar to connect more analoag gear. But then which to choose that gives me the best conversion. I think the B was slightly brighter and more open, but I’m not listening from my studio, so I’m not sure. I would recommend the free HOFA 4U+ plugin for this kind of blind test. It’s really great.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@garnetbey7400 2 жыл бұрын
OK, Wow thats Was Really, Really good, Im blown Away,This Comparison Gives so much light on the subject of sound, and Listening Practices, I Honestly Cannot Hear any Difference Between the 2, This Was A ReallyGood Practice, And Hope's It proves Well, Great Job.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@kdw735 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I have a quantum 4848 and I've been wondering if I'm missing out on anything by not spending thousands more. This answers the question and I'm really happy.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
I would not say you are missing out, especially if you dont need the interface for recording capabilities
@LocaliLLocano 2 жыл бұрын
I do use a merging anubis and Burl b2 ADC and they are the few AD interfaces that can handle the high output of the Neve Portico MBP when running your master hot. A lot of prosumer interfaces will clip when limiting my master hard. Both Merging and Burl have a soft clip option just in case I get too wild with the levels
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info!
@amossingleton7921 2 жыл бұрын
Man that Burl gear sounds amazing! I had the pleasure of hearing a 32 i/o mothership configuration with an API console and was spellbound.
@carlbrady6132 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice! Thx for doing that. Where do we get the answer ? I feel the mix 2 is slightly brighter. It excites the ears a bit more, but overall I feel the first mix is a bit more balanced and once mixed might work better. Just a theory.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
The answer is coming soon. We have a couple more videos to do for this test first, subscribe and hit the notification bell to stay up to date!
@michaelrice6620 2 жыл бұрын
Wow this is crazy I honestly didnt think i would hear much of a difference but it is definitely noticeable. Whichever 1 green one is sounds better, the highs sound smoother and clearer and has a good presence to it. Im guessing the 2nd one (green 1) is going to be the Apollo. Just cause the price tag lol, im sure if mixed they would both come out sounding great though.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
You must have "golden ears"...LOL
@TheInfiniteFret 2 жыл бұрын
This is a great series. I did the test blind for the first half to avoid bias. I do hear a difference on my head phones, but I can't say which one is better. Most of the time I liked the second track better. I hate being subjective, but here goes: The second track had a little more space - that's about it. Depending on what was going on in the song, the 1st one sounded better sometimes. No $7500 difference, for sure! Now I'll watch the next videos to find out which converters were on which tracks...
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@PcruProducer 2 жыл бұрын
I listened without looking at the screen. And Concluded that it wasnt Noticeable enough to justify a Purchase so big if you are starting out. this does certainly close the Gap for those without the budget! Great Video
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks you
@reallyniceaudio 2 жыл бұрын
I feel I could do more with the green version. The purple does not have the low end clarity the top end sounds dirtier. Can't wait to hear the answer. I went with a ferrofish A32 connected to an RME Raydat.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@raf5.13 2 жыл бұрын
That’s one nice sounding mix and music.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@jayclas4023 2 жыл бұрын
I have on some great ear buds, the JBL Reflect Minis and I put my phone down and just listened. There’s one part where the vocal harmony stood out but it wasn’t something I would’ve missed while mixing. They are very close, it doesn’t matter which was which because Unison pres are amazing as is Studer A800 and Ampex 102. The Apollo interfaces does not limit what I do.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@johnmartin1888 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome test. First I didn’t look at the screen when you was A-B them, put on a cheep per of headphones that I use to reference my mixes and only listened. I couldn’t tell the difference.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY! I did that this morning after being away from the video for a few days. I listen back on my Bose headphones and I sat with my eyes closed during the entire playback and I could not tell where I was switching between the tracks. To my ears, there is no difference between the two.
@MrBlessup247 2 жыл бұрын
Same for me volume match perfect couldn’t tell which is which 💯👌🏽😁
@robertjensen2774 2 жыл бұрын
I found that the random switching between versions had a large impact on my listening. I would have preferred to listen to the first 10 seconds of each then the next ten seconds etc. Is it possible to post those files or a portion of? More importantly I would like to hear you assessment. Thanks
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
not posting the files, sorry
@Ricksterpt 2 жыл бұрын
I love my Aurora Lynx N. Love your channel brother great job.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated! I never used the Aurora Lynx but I have heard they make great products
@Ricksterpt 2 жыл бұрын
@@MixingMusicAnalog Once you try the Aurora I promise you ain’t going back to anything else. They really do sound fantastic.
@iengineer_247 2 жыл бұрын
We all have different ears. We just have to look at what works for us as well as how much we are willing to spend. Sometimes price isn't a issue meaning like the more something cost is not always the best outcome and sometimes less isn't the best way to go as well. I think both sound good. I'm downsizing to an satellite because I've had a few Apollos that I didn't use much other than for the plugins but I used other interfaces to track with along with I used a lot of my waves plugins to mix with and UAD to master with. Thanks for your insight its all helpful!!!
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Good points!
@BlueJavaTN 2 жыл бұрын
Love the song and both options sound good to me, but I hear more depth/harmonics on the first/purple option.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Ok, thank you
@BlueJavaTN 2 жыл бұрын
@@MixingMusicAnalog Loving this discussion. Took the eyes closed challenge and I can hear the difference when focusing on the bass. Probably couldn't get it 100% of the time as it is that close. I'm listening with ERIS 8" monitors.
@hitmakerstudio6405 2 жыл бұрын
The green track is my favorite... Somehow more open and 3D like! I wonder which interface it is? Good video Sir....
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
one day, I'll reveal which is which
@DMarlow83 2 жыл бұрын
Listening on my entertainment system speakers, I believe mix 2 is the UAD. Their conversion has a bit of a boost in the highs and more punch in the lows, they aren't a totally flat converter. Additionally I noticed more separation in the mix elements, and a wider stereo image in mix 2. I'll try to check later on my studio monitors. I'd like to hear a null test as well. UAD conversion , while they spec well, is not the most transparent or "flat" in frequency response when compared to other high end options. It's definitely not Lynx, but not nearly as colored as a Burl. I null tested my x16 to my Dangerous AD+, using the clock from the AD+, and phase aligned them down to 1/64th of a sample using Eventide alignment plugin, they null down to about -60db or so, but then there is a audible information that is clearly not nulled.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Ok, thanks!
@jsvydhb 2 жыл бұрын
I use a Allen & Heath gl3300 and will definitely be purchasing a presonus quantum 48 after watching this video! 🙏🔥
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Good choice!
@Markinhorv 2 жыл бұрын
Great comparison, in my humble opinion both sounded great but I personally felt a little more clarity in the higher mids on mix 2, so I could tell that mix 2 could be the UAD and mix 1 the Presonus but I could be wrong.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Wait until you see Dave's deep dive analyses video, coming next week. For everyone that "thinks' they hear a difference, that video may change your mind.
@deanmasi6684 2 жыл бұрын
Oh boy, I feel the same about Mix 2. Felt more relaxed to me and better, more accurate lows. Perhaps we’re all wrong!!!! Lol. Looking forward to Uncle Daves next video on this! :-/
@Markinhorv 2 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see next episode
@chadgrieser8021 2 жыл бұрын
To me as i listened there was a bit of difference in the low end, it felt a bit more punchy on the kick from the mix 1 compared to mix 2. Otherwise I couldn't hear much difference between the 2. I am also fighting a bit of a head cold so ears are stuffed up, but the high end was nice and smooth between the 2 as well. Would love to know which was which.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
listen with your eyes closed.....can you hear when I am switching the tracks?
@BassBaseBerlin 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video and nice test! To be honest I heard no difference with my DT770. But I'm no high-end guy. I think regarding converters all recent mid-range interfaces should do a proper job since "inside" there is technically nothing "magical". But just my opinion. So the 4848 seems to be a really fair deal if you need plenty of IO like for your use case or if you want to connect lot's of analog gear. Thanks for your video, will now read the comments and wait for your unveiling of the solution. Thanks and best regards, Stefan
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@gweeds334 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely more low end presence, warmth, and clarity in the 2nd Mix. As a diehard Presonus/ Studio One user using an 1818VSL my guess is that track 2 is an Apollo. I hope Im wrong and I get to go buy a quantum. When using the Quantum, what was your block size set to via Universal Control? I wonder if this has anything to do with the quality or if there is a similar setting on the Apollo.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Setting were the same
@nipzkcab Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the vibe Thanks
@MixingMusicAnalog Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@angelorozul241 2 жыл бұрын
Very subtle differences. though I find mix 2 is brighter. Thanks for sharing this video. I don't know which is which but Presonus is good sounding too.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@jamesjames77777 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! I’m about to buy, could you let me know which one the green mix is please? Then I can buy through of your affiliate links. Cheers!
@MixingMusicAnalog Жыл бұрын
there is a video telling you which is which already
@mixedbyedd Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't say either is better - all personal preference and will get the job done. To me, the differences are in the stereo imaging of the a/d. Green sounds more wider. Red sounds more center focused. Similar to when i tested the prism to lynx hilo. both can work - lynx has a wider image and clean, prism is clean with a slighttt color but narrow image. imo of course. Appreciate vids like this - thanks for sharing.
@MixingMusicAnalog Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@manojmohata3199 2 жыл бұрын
I hear the purple one to be just a tiny bit smoother and the green one slightly edgier. There is a subtle difference. Which one u like more..that's individual taste..both are close but the purple one felt just a little easier on my ear..I go for that 💜
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks !
@GianlucaSibaldi 2 жыл бұрын
I am wondering if there is any way for you to post the original audio files somewhere else in full uncompressed PCM quality. You know, KZfaq audio compression algorithm sucks. Anyway, from what is possible to hear in this way maybe I prefer the purple track. It seems to be a little more defined and “open”. But I’m talking about very tiny stuff, it could be even a perceptive bias, so it would be nice to listen to full quality mixes. Perhaps not assigning colors to tracks but only a neutral label like mix1/mix2 or A/B.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
maybe at one point
@JesusArmasOficial 2 жыл бұрын
The first mix to me at least sounded with a little lift in the low mid area. Specially between the bass and some range of the kick. Both sound great and I'm pretty sure that with both units, results can be great. However, if I had to choose one to keep with I'd choose the first mix. Great vid!
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Fair enough!
@wearashirt 2 жыл бұрын
For me and my 90's soundcraft spirit live board, I prefer to maximize the outgoing signal from the interface, so I have to use less gain on the board and - supposedly - carry less noisefloor. I just minimize console gain as much as I can because readjusting gain is a PITA!!
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
On the SSL, a large part of the sound is driving the preamp.
@BunkerAudioPanama Жыл бұрын
Feel the second ooooh so slightly beefier and a liiittle more spacey but overall, VERY similar. Would have to put in maybe 30 more tracks to start having a perceivable difference. Probably the second is the Apollo but tbh, for the price difference, the Presonus is rocking it whichever it is!! Great vid, thanks for sharing!
@MixingMusicAnalog Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@tisbonus 2 жыл бұрын
Well done! I'm getting old so I may not be able to really hear much of a difference. That said, my experience in audio tells me: 1) Presonus and 2) Universal Audio. If that isn't the case then it sounds like you're going shopping with the money made selling those UA's. That still might be a good option considering the two are so close in sound, unless you intend to record classical music or jazz (I'm assuming my guess is accurate).
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know, maybe you are correct, maybe you're not.
@mentalprogram5256 2 жыл бұрын
Love ur videos. My dream is to have a semi pro home studio and record / mix bands.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
You can do it! If I can, so can you
@i_make_sounds Жыл бұрын
Mix 2 sounds slightly deeper and the stereo image sounds slightly wider to my ears. Fidelity wasn't less per se on mix 1, but the imaging sounds just a touch more open on mix 2. Thanks for the great content!
@MixingMusicAnalog Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@asbrinkman 2 жыл бұрын
I have two 4848's and basically eliminated my need of patchbays. I really like them. I also have an Apollo QUAD (silver) that I updated to thunderbolt. I daisy chain all three together, utilizing one of the QUANTUMS as my clock for the Apollo. I also have UAD PCIe and USB OCTO cards. I've got the two systems running seamlessly.
@fattohead 2 жыл бұрын
Excuse me ,did you daisychain Apollo and Presonus using thunderbolt cable?!?! :/
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
NICE!!
@asbrinkman 2 жыл бұрын
I listened closely last night and initially I liked mix #1 better. It seemed to be clearer. As I continued to listen to all aspects of the mix, mix #2 started to sound overall larger and warmer. Although I think both versions are fine, I would be interested in knowing which mix came from which interface. This was a really good shootout.
@scottspaulding7965 2 жыл бұрын
You can have apollo and 4848 running at the same time running in studio one?
@Capons_Place Жыл бұрын
@@fattohead I would like to know if this is possible? Can we chain it wit UA interfaces?
@johnrichardson8652 2 жыл бұрын
The difference is negligible, especially considering the tracks are basically flat/raw. Any differences would easily disappear once both were actually mixed. You did a great job trying to mitigate any outside influence of the console etc
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks John!
@toufanrecords 2 жыл бұрын
In the mix, dbu output is less than -6 dB. The converter shows your best performance in Master at approximately 0 dB. for mixing is good and easy . but for master you can use Mastering Converter like LYNX , ANTELOPE , BURL and ... .
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@coywood203 2 жыл бұрын
on my speakers it sounded like the green mix (mix 2) was a little more saturated...it just sounded a little fatter (in a good way)...like someone else said, both mixes sounded really good and at the price difference the Presonus seems like the way to go!!!! BTW, happy StudioOne user here too...great DAW!
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@mottamix 2 жыл бұрын
Mix 1 sounds more open to me, I believe it's Apollo. But the difference is so, so small that it does not justify in any way paying the difference in value. Thanks for the amazing video, you gained another subscriber.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Thanks! Welcome to the family!!
@user-nr9ln8go8r 2 жыл бұрын
Mix1 = PreSonus Quantum Mix2 = Universal Audio Apollo x16 - - - - - I was on Apogee / switched to Universal Audio Apollo = after a month I sold and left for Apogee Symphony I / O Mk1 - happiness !!! - - - - - if I have the console I dream of (Solid State Logic Origin / Solid State Logic Duality 48channels /// I would EXACTLY be on = Apogee Symphony I / O Mk2 TB 32x32 + Apogee Symphony I / O MKII TB 2x6 SE and get the best sound in the world for a lifetime - - - - - thank you for such a job! for your important videos !!!
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks you for your support
@marcusedvardsson5505 2 жыл бұрын
I think I prefer the purple even thou I imagine I can here more transients on the green. I sure hope the purple is the presonus so I just buy that one becuase I'm in the verge of getting an interface with more line inputs than I have today.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
The results are coming soon
@Jesusnievesmusic 2 жыл бұрын
I do hear Mix 1 has a bit more low end on the kick drum ( it was more noticeable there ) but pretty similar both mixes.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@pvampman 2 жыл бұрын
Where can i download music you have mixed? Singles, or full albums etc etc…thanks.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
you cant, sorry
@ElectromagneDikk 2 жыл бұрын
Really digging the Santana and Rob Thomas vibe. The artist is really good. Which if you think about it, if that's all I heard from this video, you did your job and it doesn't matter which I/O you choose.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@ElectromagneDikk 2 жыл бұрын
@@MixingMusicAnalog quite welcome my friend.
@chthonicislandaudio5379 2 жыл бұрын
Will you make the tracks available for download, would like to listen without the KZfaq treatment?
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
maybe at one point
@carlosborunda 2 жыл бұрын
Almost identical but if there's anything that I'm self convincing that I heard , was a bit more of an scooped out sound on the green track and a bit more bottom in the purple one.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@Dellx 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate your Content and knowledge thank you. Can't find the answer to a question i 've been searching across presonus for with no luck. whats the best setting for the quantum thuderbolt 2 in Studio one Audio setup. Sample rate ? no manual no forum has been able to provide me with this answer. what is the most optimal setting to run it. I am on a M1 mac mini. 16GB and i want to have a clean efficient setup.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
What's the best sample rate to run the Quantum at? I don't understand that question either and that's why you cant find info about it. The Quantum can run at 44.1, 48, 96 and so on and either is fine. The higher the sample rate the higher the resolution but the larger the file sizes.
@Dellx 2 жыл бұрын
@@MixingMusicAnalog Hey thanks for the Reply perhaps i should. rephrase i know the quantum is capable of running at 64 samples i've even seen folks saying lower. i know the Thunderbolt capability and architect of the quantum allows for fast resolution . i was looking for information on the best recommended Sample to use 16, 64, 128....,....,. i was curious if there is a recommendation with Studio One for optimal performance. Thanks again.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Reading the comments is really interesting. It is truly amazing how we all hear things differently and if you listen long enough, you can convince yourself of just about anything. LOL...I did not put the audio on an analyzer or do a null test because if I did that you all would use your eyes to decide which one was "better" and not your ears. We will do a video like that in the very near future just so all the tech geeks and enjoy that sort of data. The bottom line is how does it sound in the first 3 mins of listening. Does it sound the same? Some of you say yes, others say they hear a difference. Either way I think this was pretty intresting
@quiquepuche6393 2 жыл бұрын
To me #2 has smoother highs
@ANTHONYFERNANDO 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t know man. These comments seem to be like 90% in agreement that #2 sounds wider and a bit better, but that they’re both great. Not a $7000 difference obviously. But still a difference nonetheless. I personally hope #2 is the Quantum, I’m all for an underdog story
@elonlove343 2 жыл бұрын
@@quiquepuche6393 Yea. Number 1 is a little muddy. The SSL might of changed up the sound.
@eladberger7148 2 жыл бұрын
The purple track sounds a tiny bit more expensive IMO.
@parachuteman4 2 жыл бұрын
I don't hear a difference.
@wshaw7068 2 жыл бұрын
Would the 26x26 have same converters as yours are would they be different thanks
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
same from what I am told by the developers at Presonus
@arkistriph1 2 жыл бұрын
Guessing the green mix is the PreSonus, no rhyme or reason. I think it sounds more present with little difference in the low end. With only You tube audio to go by I would go with PreSonus regardless of what mix it is. They are very close. I would be interested in hearing isolated tracks. Listening to tracks in isolation can sometimes help to pick out things that may go unnoticed in a full mix. Love the song by the way. Thanks Dave, Happy New Year to you and yours.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks and you as well. )
@rockchunk9417 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been looking at the quantum 4848 for the last couple of months, I’m in the same boat as you I don’t track through the uad plugins I use hardware,so that side of the apollo is redundant if what Barry Johns says is true that the new apple chips are so fast that you can set your buffer to 32 and forget it , then there is no need for dsp for me in the audio interface,and it’s time to sell my uad apollo
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@dylanhughes4548 2 жыл бұрын
Green stem for me - sounded more open, better separation of parts, slightly better overall clarity, slightly better transients. Just seemed a little more engaging and exciting overall?
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Some said the purple sounds like you say the green sounds
@hakankursunmusic 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@danjones4002 2 жыл бұрын
I would like 5o know the latency difference? Ive heard the quantum has really good latency. I sold the apollo because the latency is not very good. I ended up with rme, but the quantum was tempting
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
No latency I can hear, but at one point we can measure it
@paulmolive1821 2 жыл бұрын
Mix 1 sounds a little bit darker. The transient information has more punch on mix 2 and it’s a very tiny bit brighter.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@danielpool2039 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. That’s what I heard as well. I’m guessing that if you can hear a difference on KZfaq, the difference will be more apparent sitting in the studio since KZfaq compression can mask fine details. I’m not sure that I would call mix 2 overly bright or the other being irreparably dark. Meaning that the differences could be compensated for with a little eq.
@pascalmerschaudio 2 жыл бұрын
I thought the same
@Da1Prophessor 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t really tell a difference in the converters. They both sound really good. I didn’t pay attention to your mute/solo when listening because I didn’t want to be biased based on my eyes. By the it’s a great mix👍🏽
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
thanks and it's not a mix. it was simple raw unprocessed audio
@adiriakya9724 2 жыл бұрын
I can't find the video that shows how to use analog mixer with Studio One :(
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
go to Home Recording Made Easy youtube channel, its there
@EricRabb 2 жыл бұрын
I like the Green mix. Bottom end is slightly thicker. Vocals are slightly more forward. Greens mix has slightly more sizzle. I’m listening on studio monitors.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Ok, thanks
@julioclaudio8714 2 жыл бұрын
Had to listen a few times I preferred the green track though I did hear more clean definition in purple track . Both are a matter of taste . I have an x8 and a burl mothership It would surprise me if the green track is not the x16 . I guess the round trip delay is the same or to close to notice on both units as you were going back n forth on tracks with no problem what was the master clock setup were each interface set up as slaves or to internal clock on the prints?
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Ok, thanks for watching!
@pixannaai 2 жыл бұрын
1 has more high end. (better capture or just internal equalisation?)
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@pablobarra297 2 жыл бұрын
Purple sounds more open in the stereo field and it has more present transient information, specially in the drums.
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Great! Thanks for listening
@toddgac4282 5 ай бұрын
Nice comparison Dave. My ear can't tell the difference. This was perfect for me as I am in the process of buying an audio interface to process my drums. Sweetwater recommended the Apollo X8P for $3350 which to me is way more than I wanted to spend for my little hobby. Can the PreSonus Quantum 2626 get the job done with Studio One as its DAW? Sure seems like it. Thoughts? Great video. Thank you for the comparison. Todd Gac
@MixingMusicAnalog 5 ай бұрын
Yes, of course. You don't need to spend that much and honestly, you shouldn't. The 2626 will get the job done.
@SoBeit777 2 жыл бұрын
Do you still have it, and do you know why it was discontinued? or is it not? supply chain issue? No one has them anymore..
@MixingMusicAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
I dont work for Presonus, so I have no idea. I think this video series helped anything that was in stock get sold :)
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