MK LOGIC RAPID FIX - Double socket with SCREWLESS terminals.
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Күн бұрынWe posed the question last year, when will UK sockets have Wago style screwless terminals?
Here we have the worlds first 13A Double Socket which complies with BS1363. The MK Logic Plus Rapid Fix is the first double socket to incorporate screwless terminals.
This game-changing product reduces installation time and ensures a more reliable electrical connection.
Developed in partnership with Wago, installing the MK Rapid fix is just like using the popular Wago 221 terminals.
Are these sockets really Rapid fit? - we put them head to head with the traditional MK screw double socket.
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00:00 MK Logic Plus Rapid Fix
00:18 The first UK 13A socket with screwless terminals
00:52 BS1363 Screwless terminals & socket outlet
01:12 MK first to market
01:38 Conductor capacities
02:20 Logic plus features - 3 Pin safety shutter
03:57 Mk Rapid Fix socket - Wago style terminals
04:40 Screwless terminal conductor types
07:19 Back box size requirements
08:18 How to fit a Rapid Fix 13A double socket
12:30 More reliable and faster electrical installations
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@_Miner 2 жыл бұрын
Now we just need them to do this with all the different finishes like chrome, flat etc.. and with other things like light switches, isolators, fsu etc..
@davidmack610 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely the way forward. A slight improvement would be to provide 4 CPC connections, to allow connection of a spur and a back box fly lead too...
@timahad5165 2 жыл бұрын
"I wasn't ready for you doing that!" These two should have there own sketch show!🤣
@efixx 2 жыл бұрын
😆
@Leodis.Leather 2 жыл бұрын
These look like a great idea to me. I'm not a professional electrician but I think for people doing bits themselves at home (where appropriate, I'm not a numpty!) this should be a lot safer as well since they remove the chance of making a bad termination that might come loose when the socket is fixed back. Price wise a single one of these is currently £6 on Screwfix and the standard one is £3.77 so they cost ~60% more which is a hefty increase though I think it's worth it for the convenience and safety factor.
@geraldelwood9660 2 жыл бұрын
A welcome step forward. Now we just need them to take that terminal block and locate it in the back box, (with a suitable flexi fly led to the socket.) So at first fix we can complete and test the ring before the kitchen fitters come along and screw through our rings. And socket faces can be unscrewed for EICR's, with much less risk of causing a broken conductor as we push back the face plate.
@guffermeister 2 жыл бұрын
Should really have 4 terminals for the earths. This would allow for the two (eugh!) ring legs, a spur and then also the obligatory flylead for the metal back box
@darrentremain2670 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you have also spotted this issue. 👍🏻
@mattylad8035 2 жыл бұрын
4 terminals? like on a standard socket where you have 4 terminals also? think not. On many sockets you only have 1 terminal and stuffing 4 leads in it is extremely hard.
@12000gp 2 жыл бұрын
@@mattylad8035 is it that hard?
@guffermeister 2 жыл бұрын
Aye. As its a screwless connector its one conductor per connection terminal. This is to ensure a good connection due to the way the connectors work. And 4 conductors is an issue - most outlets say max of 3 for 2.5mm cable, although the CPC is 1.5mm so a little more space available.
@ExtrakzCrunch 2 жыл бұрын
Nothing obligatory about fly leading a backbox with a fixed lug
@alanwilliams4835 2 жыл бұрын
All our company use is them mk logic range and we just love this . The golden rule is never ever fit a 25 mm box for a socket . Why you may ask ? If the client asks you for a flat plate socket to be fitted it will not fit in a 25mm box you will need a 35 mm box .. more room for the wiring too. Come on guys it takes 5 min more to cut a 35 mm box in ..
@darylsavage119 2 жыл бұрын
Takes no extra time to chase in when a tracking company are being paid to do it instead. 35mm for spurs, switches and sockets, 47mm for cooker and shower boxes
@alanwilliams4835 2 жыл бұрын
@@darylsavage119 Exactly couldn’t agree more
@efixx 2 жыл бұрын
👍
@johnlloyd3377 2 жыл бұрын
Well done MK. Finally a UK socket with Wago style connectors. A transparent connector similar to the Wago 221 connector would have been even better. I have used French sockets with screwdriverless connectors but they were only suitable for solid conductors and once connected the conductor was almost impossible to remove. From this presentation it appears that the MK connector can accept solid, stranded or fine stranded conductors and the conductor can be withdrawn by simply lifting the lever. I cannot wait to try them out.
@johnlloyd3377 2 жыл бұрын
@@wagodraper4201 Thanks, that is good to know.
@thomasbonse 2 жыл бұрын
I think there should be one more lever position, specifically for the the CPC. This would allow for a conductor to connect to a metal box, even when you have both a ring and radial connecting in the same box, without the need for an additional connector for the CPCs.
@johnburns4017 2 жыл бұрын
Use a metal backbox with a solid lug, then an earth tail to the box is not needed. Why do something you do not need to do!
@acespark1 2 жыл бұрын
About time a few makers of commando plugs and sockets have been on this for ages
@mikeselectricstuff 2 жыл бұрын
I'd be interested to see thermal images of these compared to screw terminals when passing 32A from wire to wire
@sparkey1958 2 жыл бұрын
seen so many of 16 A and 32A sockets [trailing type] where the push in connections have got so hot and burned the insulation back.....wait a few years and the fires will start on fully loaded 32A radial circuits with plastic fast fix boxes.
@johnburns4017 2 жыл бұрын
@@sparkey1958 What push in wire sockets do you refer to?
@michaelboyes4948 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnburns4017 think he's on about commando sockets and I fully agree with him seen to many burnt out maintenance free commando sockets
@sparkey1958 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnburns4017 commando sockets...
@technic550 2 жыл бұрын
@@sparkey1958 I've seen far more issues with screwed terminals tbh. Whatever the terminal type of a trailing lead they should always be regularly inspected due to the nature of its use. That and bad practice I believe is the main reason for most issues. I personally like the idea of the lever connections, they don't damage the conductors like screw terminals.
@FFT_Electrical 2 жыл бұрын
Would be good to see a comparison of an average sized circuits continuity between these and standard screw terminal sockets
@spanishmarc 2 жыл бұрын
In Spain where I work, my preferred sockets and switches (Simon 27 Play) are all push fit. It's definitely the way to go.
@DIYJourney1 2 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to watching this and seeing the thoughts of these 👍🏻
@TheAdamEdward 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant design! Can’t wait to test these out 👍🏻
@alanjones3873 2 жыл бұрын
Just what I needed, most modern outlets are difficult to use with 3 old stranded cables never mind mixing with solid . I had to extend a ring for socket on wall just behind existing single outlet. Old stranded including an existing spur. Fitted this double outlet in standard backbox. Broke in to ring with two 2 cables through wall. Fitted it all in including 3 Wagos. No lifting floor for a junction box!!
@Mark1024MAK 2 жыл бұрын
In regards to screw terminals damaging the copper conductors, I don’t understand why premium electrical switches, sockets, etc don’t use rising clamp terminals. Lots of industrial equipment uses rising clamp terminals, as do some MCBs.
@harryhoudini9826 2 жыл бұрын
I wasn't ready for you doing that!...savage!.....
@roblewis730 2 жыл бұрын
I think price is a big factor with these. Clients generally won't care what's behind a socket and will only see the socket front on the wall as such, so £6.50odd a socket could on say a rewire send the price upwards. However it is the future, and when more brands do the same across the range of accessories I think it'll become more affordable. Just need to get Wago Consumer Units now!
@jablot5054 Жыл бұрын
This could be off set by reduced time fitting, especially if using Wago
@jonty2020 2 жыл бұрын
Great for a spur off a 4mm radial circuit which is quite hard to achieve with the traditional screw connector.
@user-wy4oy6di4x 2 жыл бұрын
I use wagos as a lift engineer, they should be standard in all industries.
@mars6394 2 жыл бұрын
Have they final made what you was saying all along
@martinw245 2 жыл бұрын
As soon as I came across Wago connectors this occured to me. Great stuff.
@wagodraper4201 2 жыл бұрын
And these use the WAGO springs inside so you can be sure of a quality connection :-)
@rodgerq 2 жыл бұрын
It amazes me how long it's taken someone to bring these to market.
@martinw245 2 жыл бұрын
@@rodgerq Hopefully MK will extend the range to light switches and FCU's.
@craigemmott4976 2 жыл бұрын
Was working at Kwik-fit Skipton today and had a bit of a nosey at e-Fixx HQ with the dog once I'd finished there. I should have been cheeky and popped in for a cuppa, was parched. Sadly, work had to come first. Still loving the videos chaps!
@efixx 2 жыл бұрын
You should have popped in - kettle always primed!
@camerongray1515 2 жыл бұрын
Been wanting something like this for so long, hopefully they extend it across more products such as FCUs and switches, although the design would probably need to be changed to make the terminals small enough to fit on a single gang product. If they're keeping the screwless terminals exclusively to the double sockets, it would at least be good to see more widespread adoption of cage clamps like on the Crabtree instinct range, at least then you don't have the issue with damaging conductors by overtightening. Makes for a tough decision when deciding on a range to go for - Logic Plus for screwless sockets but regular screws on everything else, or Crabtree Instinct for cage clamps on everything but no screwless option.
@efixx 2 жыл бұрын
The range will be expanded. - stay tuned
@1bigsyd 2 жыл бұрын
About bloody time
@Cablesmith 2 жыл бұрын
Just used one of these myself today, quite like it
@DstandsforDoomed 2 жыл бұрын
Standard 25mm back box sean? How’d it screw back if so?
@Cablesmith 2 жыл бұрын
@@DstandsforDoomed very easily, but the cable entry was my friend on that one, as well as only 1 cable 😀 There’s a video, have a look 😁
@GrahamDIY 2 жыл бұрын
Thank GOD these are FINALLY here !!! I will be only buying these kind of faceplates from now on. Why has it taken so long ??? Great video, as ever, guys 🥰
@efixx 2 жыл бұрын
Standards needed to change first, then navigating the various patents!
@GrahamDIY 2 жыл бұрын
@@efixx yep. The wheels turn slowly....
@cuebj 2 жыл бұрын
@@barnabybot Considerably less than the minutes of labour doing good job with screw down sockets. Maybe not cheaper than sloppy use of screw down. As DiYer, I've had to reset all my screw down sockets as jobs done by several registered and recommended professionals came loose, earth sleeving had slipped into the screw down, or too tight so cable broke, etc.
@jordankidd8789 2 жыл бұрын
@@barnabybot £30 for 5 in Screwfix
@GrahamDIY 2 жыл бұрын
Just bought one today from SF. Had a play with it. Looks really well made. I like it!!!
@jonathanrose456 2 жыл бұрын
35mm are my go to for back box, but nice to know for existing. Be great when more manufacturers & brass/chrome versions come out.
@jeffmoye 2 жыл бұрын
Why not 4 cpc connectors? Would allow for a spur and back-box strap. Or could you put 2 1.5’s in a single terminal?
@buckshee 2 жыл бұрын
You’d put the cpc into the back box first then onto the socket. No need for four earth terminals at the socket.
@josephkent9475 2 жыл бұрын
It’s a plastic socket no need for the fly lead tho
@johnallen8808 2 жыл бұрын
How long before we have posidrive 3.5 fixing screws rather than slotted screws?
@TimmyBoja 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve started to appreciate the slotted-pozi. Makes me feel important 😆
@adrianking6309 2 жыл бұрын
Torx would be even better
@daniellittle7846 2 жыл бұрын
@@adrianking6309 yeah it would help prevent the cowboys but torx is becomming really quite common nowadays Its really difficult to keep people from getting their hands on screwdrivers
@poulhenne Жыл бұрын
@@adrianking6309 : Watching from Denmark where everything is Torx10, seeing the oldfashioned fixing screws really gave me a nostalgic feeling. We changed to pz in 1985 away from the flat blade. And actually at that time we also went away from screws on terminals of wall sockets.
@bobrose7900 2 жыл бұрын
Can't believe this hasn't been done before. Spring loaded connectors are infinitely more reliable... but the down side will be cost on the contracting front, unless specified by a forward thinking client. Well done MK..
@PatonCavaney 2 жыл бұрын
Now for all Isolators (FCUs, Lights)and networking to have this
@oliverriall 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome, so will this be maintenance free. Will the EICR be forever changed!?
@zjzozn 2 жыл бұрын
Well done chaps
@brucerobson8767 2 жыл бұрын
I’m surprised that so many responders think they need a 4th terminal for a back box ‘fly lead’. With these sockets the faceplate fixing screws give a perfectly adequate earth connection to the back box.
@thomasbonse 2 жыл бұрын
There's generally adequate, then there's guaranteed; and they're mutually exclusive. With the 4th terminal for CPC, the box remains earthed even if something happens to the screws, or when the cover is removed for testing.
@johnburns4017 2 жыл бұрын
Yes Bruce. No need for an earth fly lead if at least one lug is solid. Also the adjustable lug also gives an earth. Pretty well guaranteed to earth the socket to the metal box behind.
@almondchristopher 2 жыл бұрын
These types of quick fix/release have been on the back of European sockets for years. I am surprised to see they have only now been introduced in the UK.
@ratsalive 2 жыл бұрын
Has anyone asked, what do you do with a spur and a cpc fly lead to the back box. I assume there's a metal face version. Maybe that's double insulated? You'd need four cpc terminals or do you squeeze a wago in the back or can you put two conductors in one lever?
@giorgos424 2 жыл бұрын
Hi! Could you please share the video regarding conductor classification? Thank you for your content!!
@iknowmyfootball3901 2 жыл бұрын
Angle of entry is good rather than going directly into the back that lower entry point allows it to fit comfartbaly in a 25 mm backbox
@danf6491 Жыл бұрын
Still waiting for the wago fuseboard. One place that could definitely do with the technology is shower isolators . Might save a few neutrals. Wonder if crabtree will update there already amazing isolator
@tennicktenstyl 11 ай бұрын
the safety shutter makes the wire-to-socket connection more sturdy when it closes and pinches the wires tight. highly recommend
@brianhewitt8618 2 жыл бұрын
exellent, inovation moving forward
@iknowmyfootball3901 2 жыл бұрын
What a time to be alive honestly u could blast 100 sockets 2nd fix nip up the faceplates with the Speed E . What's your thoughts on this type of connection for shower pull cords, that pesky neutral is usually cooked
@arfanjhangir8465 2 жыл бұрын
Great idea. Any link to the cable stripper please?
@gmeadowcroft84 2 жыл бұрын
I’m really impressed with them, quick question for you guys though. On stranded cable how do the terminals hold up with a feral in the terminals? I’m guessing they should be fine and and there is probably no need to feral them in these types types of connectors
@DstandsforDoomed 2 жыл бұрын
Stripping length is 10mm, normally get 10mm on a bootlace ferrule, so in reality it should marry up to the shoulder of the ferrule. Gonna have to try this myself…
@andrewbutcher3391 Жыл бұрын
Really helpful this…thanks
@alexandercarney1305 Жыл бұрын
4:07 That’s all I needed to know 😅. Thanks guys ✌️
@vwes 2 жыл бұрын
Cool, at last :-) Looks like its only available in white and for indoor use. Hopefully the range will expand to outdoor sockets and other finishes
@cuebj 2 жыл бұрын
That's all I need for now at home. Tempted to replace all my sockets. Would be nice to have grid switches like this
@dominicdodd9759 2 жыл бұрын
I'd used these - well worth the minutes saved when crawling around you my old knees, fitting dozens. Not sure I'd want to switch to all accessories from MK Logic - may have wait for Scolmore to catch up! As an aside - old MK socket "Made in UK", new MK socket "Made in Malaysia" - shame we don't make anything anymore!
@efixx 2 жыл бұрын
85% of MK's products are still made in the UK.
@calmeilles 2 жыл бұрын
@@efixx Beautiful kit… For budgets that hire interior designers… 13A Twin Switched Socket Outlet *£61.21* exclusive of VAT, naturally. Free delivery on orders over £1,500 which is nice. 😀
@jackyleong9553 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget the legendary MEM brand.
@Messimagician83 2 жыл бұрын
You can't believe anything these days with Made in Britain. I use to work for a company that made GAS smart meters that said made in England. All we did was upload the software to the meter but all the build was made in Greece.
@barrie5852 2 жыл бұрын
This has be the way forward, putting 2 sometimes 3 (for a fused spur) conductors into a single screw fixed connector has always been a flaw of the ring main method because of not nowing if both conductors are evenly secured.
@asadbabilbabil7791 2 жыл бұрын
Very good
@islandhopperstuart 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry Gaz, I'm not overly convinced by your trial where the cables came up into the back box. Looking closely, whilst in contact with the 'plasteboard' at the top, the socket appeared to stand-off a little at the bottom when tight. I can't help thinking that the double thickness of conductor was being trapped between the levers and the box. Please can you take a closer look? Specifically, how does the minimum gap from levers to back box compared with 2x, or 3x diameter of, say 4.0mm^2 conductors over the insulation?
@johnchown3539 2 жыл бұрын
What’s the cable strippers called, and where can I purchase them, great videos always look forward too them,
@markyd2633 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid boys.......
@efixx 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@Chris-hy6jy 2 жыл бұрын
Finally!! And now one for the cable manufacturers... T&E with insulation on the earth conductor! No need for bloody earth sleeve anymore!!
@100tinsoldiers 2 жыл бұрын
They used to do it in the 70s, Crabtree also had screwless terminals in the 80s
@efixx 2 жыл бұрын
Irish ☘️ Twin and earth has all three cores insulated.
@Chris-hy6jy 2 жыл бұрын
@@efixx ah didn't know that. I guess the only downside is the cable's overall thickness would be slightly thicker. Also the price would be a bit higher but I'm sure most sparks would gladly pay a small premium to not have to use earth sleeving at every single termination.
@efixx 2 жыл бұрын
Other issue is the earth conductor in the Irish T&E is equal (2.5mm ) to the others - more copper, more £££ - www.wesco.ie/news/new-twin--earth-wiring-rules.html
@Chris-hy6jy 2 жыл бұрын
@@efixx is this reg likely to come in for the UK? If not, we could still use an insulated 1.5mm version.
@BLOCKsignallingUK 2 жыл бұрын
Can you wire the CPC via the terminal in the backbox (ie two ends in that terminal) ?
@TeamSimpsonRacing 2 жыл бұрын
Great video guys. This is the future but also the future where customers will start doing more and more themselves 😪
@efixx 2 жыл бұрын
The 🧞♀️ left the bottle on that one long ago - just look at how many you tube electricians title their videos “how to” …. Change a consumer unit etc
@patrickbishop4099 2 жыл бұрын
Looks good on a twin socket, but will they fit on the back of a single? How about a spur or dp switch?
@efixx 2 жыл бұрын
More on the way
@markrainford1219 2 жыл бұрын
After nearly forty years of 'doubling over' I don't think I could cope.
@garethgordon9141 2 жыл бұрын
Can you fit 2 cables into one lever if you have 3 cables and back box flying lead? Do the screw housings connect back to the earth circuit in the socket?
@johnrhodes3350 2 жыл бұрын
I would think so, and a double/twin ferrule end connector would facilitate that
@tcpnetworks 2 жыл бұрын
We have insulation displacement sockets. You can put up to 4mm2 conductors - strip the middle piece of TPS, lay cable in, tighten one screw - no stripping of the primary insulation.
@edc1569 2 жыл бұрын
Funky, got a link?
@helmanfrow 2 жыл бұрын
13:35 Yes, this, and I can't believe nobody in North America has a similar product yet.
@dsesuk 2 жыл бұрын
Tomorrow's technology.... TODAY! I'm liking it.
@efixx 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers David … it’s like Tomorrow’s World !
@jacksonroad9263 2 жыл бұрын
nice video like the close up view. can we put two 1.5mm wires into one hole?
@efixx 2 жыл бұрын
No one cable per hole 🕳
@chriscollins1704 2 жыл бұрын
So if you want to earth the back box with a wire and you have a spur on a ring, you'll have to put one of the cpc's in the back box terminal
@johnbrown-so3vz 2 жыл бұрын
About bloody time. How many times do I see burnt out terminals?
@bbwolf9925 2 жыл бұрын
I love this idea and I've been wondering for a few years when we might see them in the UK. My only problem is that I still can't see them: my favourite wholesaler can't even tell me a price and they've never actually seen one. I have half a dozen holes in a kitchen wall just begging to be filled by these but I guess I'll have to use the plain vanilla screwed terminal type sitting in my toolcase if I want the job finished by Christmas. Or maybe MK can tell me where to look . . .
@efixx 2 жыл бұрын
Available from Screwfix
@samjburns07 2 жыл бұрын
@@efixx and CEF, Toolstation, etc!
@christopherhume8896 2 жыл бұрын
Not used mk for a long time, didn't know you couldn't get the pin covers down using the earth. That would be really annoying when trying to stick my probe tester in. Yes there are times when I just want to stick a probe tester in rather than getting out a big tester and leads.
@roberthardy2013 2 жыл бұрын
All we need now is a better fixing arrangement to the back box, locating lugs and better screw guidance would be a great thing. Crosspoint not flat and with the plain end bit should be standard. Just removed loads to decorate a whole house then replaced them - a pain of a job.
@claudioscola 2 жыл бұрын
Just having a hole for each wire sells it to me
@davidpenn2518 2 жыл бұрын
Nice to see you placed the the line & neutral in the wrong socket holes....
@esfae8250 2 жыл бұрын
Looking at a purchase on these and they work out to be double the price. Box of 5 Logic £15 ish - Box of 5 Rapidfix £30. How much is plastic worth :)
@mrh2602 2 жыл бұрын
Guess you would have to go to a 35mm bax box for 4mm cable
@jontownsend8090 2 жыл бұрын
I have the same problem, i tend to over tighten the screw terminals, screw less is the new normal. Perhaps at some point we will get to see a 100% screw less distribution board.
@marcwilliams3921 2 жыл бұрын
Bit of topic but what camera are you using Gary ?
@efixx 2 жыл бұрын
We use a range of kit and even our iPhones 📱
@mathman0101 2 жыл бұрын
Efixx please more actual engineering information and I have said this before can you get MK to release a technical sheet proving that torquing (not torque but actually pull force using a calibrated force gauge instrument) has been tested not just a tug test , that connections are just as robust or better than screw connections more resistant to arcing, temperature increase and thermal damage. I am all for new products but engineering quality and testing matters and efixx should be calling this out more otherwise manufacturers will feel they don’t have to be transparent about the quality of their products and testing methods and we then get a race to the bottom which none of us want. I hear they use Wago connector springs which have been proven but it’s high time for manufacturers to release more comprehensive testing and technical information about their products.
@MatSmithLondon 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe you should become a producer for the efixx channel. I'm sure they would like to give you money for the privilege of you telling them how to run their channel ;) I jest of course... I too would like to see more technical information, but I think your expectations are wildly out. Asking efixx to simply "get MK to do xyz" is a bit much.
@mathman0101 2 жыл бұрын
@@MatSmithLondon gentle nudging - it makes business sense to build brand commitment around quality and it helps installers to decide on good products. Efixx are doing a good job but the industry can feedback improvements and I hope they would welcome it.
@MatSmithLondon 2 жыл бұрын
@@mathman0101 This works great for small or emerging business, but when your reputation is built on pretty much designing the UK mains socket (as MK did in the 1920s) I suspect the idea of protecting the brand - i.e. not releasing information unless required to do so by law - features higher on the priority list than reaching out to consumers through youtube channels, no?
@mathman0101 2 жыл бұрын
@@MatSmithLondon I believe they are now owned by Honeywell and for a time say last 10 years some installers stopped using MK products for a perceived view they were not as robust as in the past. Maybe this product is a beginning to reclaim that quality reputation. Every company has to make their own calls but technical information is valuable as part of the correct and safe installation process where standards may only go so far. Intellectual property concerns around the actual manufacturing process is a different thing and they are right to protect that. Take Wago for example i do like what they provide on technical information around their products and they are doing it in a world where many are copying them. However their rigorous testing and transparency around what they produce make clear in what ways their product is superior to competitors and they have build brand loyalty and importantly trust around their products. We should be highlighting good examples and products which efixx do in an informative and entertaining way but that does not stop us suggesting improvements which manufacturers can take on board. It’s the companies that stop innovating and stop the R&D that inevitably show longer term decline.
@MatSmithLondon 2 жыл бұрын
@@mathman0101 Completely agree with this. Having bought a bucketload of Wago DIN rail stuff recently I agree their technical documentation is good (although a complete nightmare to navigate their product numbers, but that's a different matter...)
@DickieBird888 Жыл бұрын
These sockets are the future along with every other device using this method eventually...
@looking9175 2 жыл бұрын
Are there back of socket terminals where can test from without removing the conductors?
@efixx 2 жыл бұрын
Yes - small probe points near top of socket
@Lift.Tracker 2 жыл бұрын
These look quite nice and something with a lot of potential. Who knows? Maybe one day screwed sockets will be phased out in favour of these? I did notice that they appear to be made in Malaysia. I find it strange that there’s a random mix between MK’s British manufactured items and they’re outsourced ones. Hopefully this isn’t the beginning of the end for their UK based manufacturing, as they clearly seem to favour doing it elsewhere.
@johnburns4017 2 жыл бұрын
I think they do some in Wales like CUs. Not a big place.
@MyNameWasTecho 2 жыл бұрын
They look great. Out of curiosity, to they have a testing point that you can probe onto? A socket adapter is my usual go to, but one day it will be missing.
@Cablesmith 2 жыл бұрын
Yep they do 👌🏼
@MyNameWasTecho 2 жыл бұрын
@@Cablesmith Good news 👍
@cal5566 2 жыл бұрын
Why is it some mk equipment is UK made and others are not.(Malaysia I think). Is there a way to tell what you're getting. Because I've seen the same components such as metal clad module frames both UK and Chinese made arrive in the same order.
@stewartmaclachlan3220 2 жыл бұрын
Thomas Nagy has been calling for a product like this for ages.
@MTBEAST007 7 ай бұрын
is there a usb version out yet?
@dalriada842 2 жыл бұрын
Why don't they use slotted-pozi screws for fixing it to the backbox?
@raywelshman 2 жыл бұрын
Hi all, a great idea at last, however what if you have three T&E conductors and a flying lead to the backbox for the earth, you now have four earth wires but only three earth levers, can you put two earth wires into one lever or would that cause a problem with correct termination? Ok I have just edited my post after trying two earth wires from a 2.5mm T&E cable into a Wago and I gave them a good tug test and they can't easily pulled out..
@johnrhodes3350 2 жыл бұрын
Speaking as a non-electrician, could you put a 4mm ferrule on two, or even a twin/double ferrule end connector maybe?
@mr8ball1st 2 жыл бұрын
Would you think there's a potential for screwless connections to ever come into consumer units, and if that would be a good idea?
@efixx 2 жыл бұрын
Yes - they already have them in Europe
@TimmyBoja 2 жыл бұрын
10:28 - seeing it from that angle kind of shows the need for a possible 4th cpc connection.
@Graham_Langley 2 жыл бұрын
My thinking too. Only way to do it would be to run the CPC into the back box terminal first then a jumper to the socket.
@effervescence5664 2 жыл бұрын
I saw this pop up on IG a few months ago, wondered when it would be released. The best thing about this is it's a game changer when you have no choice but to work live, nursing/care homes and hospital environments where people can't be turned off without risks to their lives. I wonder if it'll have the same anti-bac properties their current basic range has that we were asked to fit as standard for care/nursing homes. Time to get some literature on them I think.
@efixx 2 жыл бұрын
Its the same type of plastic Urea - so antibac properties are the same.
@effervescence5664 2 жыл бұрын
@@efixx Ended up fitting some not 2 hours after posting. Brilliant kit, had a nursing home call come in, bed ridden resident on oxygen. What would take a team of nurses to move them so we could isolate power and replace a busted socket (basically a minimum of 2 hour prep) took less than 5 minutes with no need to turn the power off and being lever connectors with triple inlets far safer than holding cables in to screw. I thought their new basic antibac would be our go to range but this is now the go to socket for all call outs.
@calvinhale9913 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder how big the back will be when they introduce USB sockets with this feature ? just a thought ! Great review as always guys :) I think you missed your Dragon's Den moment a couple of years ago, could all be smoking a ciger in your swimming pools by now :))))
@efixx 2 жыл бұрын
😉 we’ve got a few more ideas in the hopper!
@HenryLoenwind 2 жыл бұрын
They could use the push-in mechanism that's usually used by German sockets. Those take 2 wires and are smaller than a screw connector. (They are also annoying to use, as you have to push and hold down a plate with quite some force to open them. On the other hand, there's no lever that could snag open.)
@owent2032 2 жыл бұрын
Well it's about time someone listened to the consumer
@trishakeaveny8565 2 жыл бұрын
I would recommend four wago terminals for the cpc's should you require to spur off.
@johnburns4017 2 жыл бұрын
Only needs three Wago terminals if a metal backbox has at least one solid lug.
@Stuart_Johnson_Solutions Жыл бұрын
I guess if you need the fourth cpc option then you go to the back box where you can then also connect the spur's cpc in.
@benfoster1025 2 жыл бұрын
If spurring off these sockets you’d have to terminate the earth to the metal box as it only has 3 connections. I think it would be ideal having 4 earth connections on the socket
@asadbabilbabil7791 2 жыл бұрын
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@tonystewart6592 2 жыл бұрын
About time too...
@flueky021 2 жыл бұрын
Will there be a metal clad version??
@efixx 2 жыл бұрын
It’s all in development (allegedly)
@christastic100 2 жыл бұрын
About time
@exwhyz33 5 ай бұрын
Have MK since produced these sockets including USBC connections?
@mars6394 2 жыл бұрын
Very good simple good design wonder what price point they are looking to sell these for
@rayc1503 2 жыл бұрын
They're advertised on screwfix website for around £6 a piece
@mars6394 2 жыл бұрын
@@rayc1503 seems a reasonable price a lot better for us installers £1 more than screw terminals worth it in my opinion
@MyProjectBoxChannel 2 жыл бұрын
They have been doing this on the continent for well over a decade. Spring lever terminals do not suffer from mechanical creep and do not need to be re tightened like terminal screws do. It's about time the UK catches up with the Europe. All we need to do now is to get rid of the slotted box screws that mount the socket. The schuko sockets have a very good, easy ,secure and fast mounting system. Not nearly as fiddly as the UK sockets😜
@efixx 2 жыл бұрын
You know we like to row our own boat 😂
@MyProjectBoxChannel 2 жыл бұрын
@@efixx that's fine you don't need to copy Europe all the time 😁😉. Hopefully the silly ring circuit will be a a thing of the past to ( and all the annoying tests that go with the pointless ring circuit). The ring circuit is reason we have fused plugs in the UK. Why do you need a 32a circuit for socket outlets these days anyway?
@johnburns4017 2 жыл бұрын
@@MyProjectBoxChannel Final Ring Circuits have their advantages for sure. I am a fan in general. Final Rings means a house electrical system can be fitted as a rule-of-thumb. Use DP RCBOs all around and easier still and much safer. Fused plugs make UK system safer than others.
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