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Lol

This is also true

@@l4gbot

Hence the price tag. 😂 Jokes aside. Good point about the PCIe devices going to TB3 devices.

In the audio industry, we are moving towards networked audio using protocols like Dante. Instead of requiring multiple cards for inputs and outputs, a single network cable can now connect to a wide range of equipment. So It's really only specialist V cards now. 😏 It's funny because the move to networked audio was partially because of Apple's trashcan Mac Pro having no PCIe expansion, which caused external interfaces to develop, since no one wanted to deal with daisy chaining. P.S. Even macOS has built-in AVB (Non-proprietary Dante) functionality over the Ethernet port, but it's recommended to use a dedicated interface for optimal performance, as the built-in driver doesn't provide internet access.

@@snowwsquire 🎯

Got the fully spec’d MacPro last week and pulled all the storage from my 2019 MacPro and put it in there and will be buying two Promise Pegasus R4is to add even more. The 32TB NVME RAID 0 I’ve been using has been great and I love having all the storage (I need) internally.

@@DustinFrancis using the pcie slots to store spinning rust is actually crazy

No that's the turbo lever that doubles as a handle

that makes sense

it's funny how apple has bought most of our tech creators

@@saladgreens912PCs in the 90’s actually had a turbo boost button that would boost their megahertz. Completely wasteful use of a switch! As others said, the Mac Pro is just protecting its chip when the user removes the enclosure.

@@realdevdivhow so?

It legitimately looks like they put a Mac studio into a bigger case

One of the various tech sites, don’t remember which now, claimed the yields were too low on the absolutely massive die size required for that 16x chip. Presumably they’re working with TSMC on that for the 3rd generation

Makes sense. Guess they underestimated AMD. AMD may be a much smaller company in terms of market cap, but their engineers did an amazing job on chiplet architecture that Apple currently can't match.

This makes a lot of sense to me

@@xahst Not really. Apple was a already building there own custom chips for iphone from the very beginning. It's just that the chips got so good that they could now put it on laptops and computers. Apple already had very extensive knowledge on chipmaking and already been on the industry for a long time.

Very good point… I see very big producers that of course had the Pro day one. Then ended up replacing it with a Mac Studio. PCIE in the music world at least isn’t much a thing anymore with Macs. Most are just straight out USB-C AD/DA systems. The point of PCI back then was more processing power, but we passed needing that with new chips 5 years ago if not more! Even pro grade external AD/DA is just okay and play and apple compliant. If on PC some do use PCIE because it interfaces better as it’s not Windows compliant. But on OSX no need for PCIE in the music world much anymore. And if you have too for legacy stuff, get an external chassis! Almost all high end audio gear has been no drivers needed, mac compliant forever. But not so much on PC, so the PCIe gets rid of ASIO and you get a more dedicated system. OSX doesn’t need all that and it’s plug n play. I run an expensive pro grade Apogee rack AD/DA, and the PCIE option was cool in like 2009. Now you can just plug it in via USB-C and it works. Load additional software for direct monitoring. But a Studio plus maybe 2 dongles and any audio system is going to slay! 100+ track counts on that beast! Newer fast I/O has great bandwidth!

LOL! Love it!❤

This. 100%

Ouch, that's terrible, sales of the Pro will be brutal.

Chitty chitty bang bang

the more pcie lanes is likely going to come in the redesign NEXT year or a few years after.

@@peanutnutter1 I can't tell if you're sarcastic, but I genuinely hope they are so that they really revamp it

the other problem with this machine is the RAM cap. In the studio, where I work with audio recordings and post-production, 192 GB of RAM is a joke compared to the current 512 we use in each of the installed intel mac pros.

Yeah or they just used thermal checks to see if its actually needed to boost the fans. It's a real stupid 'safety' feature.

How is the airflow detected?

@@jameswoll It’s not. There’s just an intrusion switch on the chassis.

@@Xaluber Humans do not open me while I am running ! kinda.

We should do a speed comparison of a G5 Quad and M2 Mac Pro. The two ultimate machines of their time.

Mine blew last year - don't talk about it please - I had like 23 GB RAM (with OF hack I came up with - otherwise the limit is 16) - just after powering it on after shutting down it fume the magic smoke.

All of this is easily accomplished without PCIE via thunderbolt.

@@theeltea it depends on the speeds needed. TB is only pcie 3.0 with 4 lanes. MacPro has pcie 4 slots. Two 16x and 4 8x. Pcie 3.0 x4 is about 32Gbps where as Pcie 4.0 x16 is about 250Gbps

@@sebulban Audio doesn't require that much bandwidth even with insane channel counts and high sr

Since the trash can Mac Pros most facilities just use external TB PCI boxes

@@theeltea okay so you would connect all 3 avid HDX card to your thunderbolt I/O? while you need to run several 4k monitors? you do know how many I/Os will be used in big post production right? this aint for home studio. This is for actual studios running million dollar projects who cannot be delayed, that needs less of computer tinkering and more of set and forget system that can be connected to a system already millions of dollar facility invested in. This is cheap compared to time wasted whcih is more expensive for a studio for unnecessarily tinkering a computer and setting it up. specially if you need to change your whole studio just because you need to change to a new o.s. Imagine how much that will cost just shifting to a new system already in place for years. this machine is way too cheap for such studios. Basically thinking which will be more cost effective for such a little thing as your workstation in that environment is a waste of time. Thats why it's weird to see people get such machine in their homes as their personal computer. It's not for that. Now can you build a more powerful machine at a cheaper cost? yes, will it be compatible to an already existing system in place? No. will it be the same system? no, and thats the problem. the system and workflow shouldn't change in that kind of scenario. why would they bother changing the whole system for something that will be so small of an expense in their over all operation?

Finally someone with some background to give a light to that.

Great insight, thanks for sharing. Niche market but when they’re charging $7000 minimum, Apple will still print money selling these things.

Small post production house here: Mac Studios with BMD UltraStudio/thunderbolt for SDI. But fiber SAN I can see. For me going from a heavy MacPro tower to Studio (with a thunderbolt SSD Raid) has been so wonderful.

+3000$ just for PCI is still unjustified.

finally someone said it, this machine is targetted at enterprise, broadcast and production who have been stuck on on the 2019 hardware and needs new stuff, avid acceleration cards, aja kona cards, 1000gbit network cards, 8k capture cards, blackmagic, production switchers, it's getting tiresome people simply dont understand the product isnt targetted at them.

Thank the team!

Chill 😂

@@sebfleebee And you cant really tell what color grading went into the video unless you say the real place and raw footage... seems bot-y

@@sebfleebee I did. And maybe because it was just him talking to the camera that allowed me to see all of the details. 🤷🏽

Frankly, all the top tier YT tech creators have 2160p or better quality. As far as MKBHD goes, have you seen the M2 Max Macbook Pro video they did? This is mostly talking head, with black and white background... unless you are talking about the ProRes clip they have in this, which is another example of their top quality composition.

Huge bottleneck for SSD's and 40Gbps/100Gbps Network Cards. Got to remember that a lot of the users of the Mac Pro want Fiber Channel cards.

I would guess for your $3000 that it's nothing more than a fancy TB connected "external" enclosure already.

@@nathanmiddleton1478 TB3/4 has 40Gb/s (little b = bits, equivalent to 5GB/s; big B = bytes) of bandwidth (equivalent to a 4x PCIe 3.0 slot) the Mac Pro has four 8x and two 16x PCIe 4.0 slots, rated at 126Gb/s (15.75GB/s) and 252Gb/s (31.5GB/s) respectively. Fancy indeed when having 3-6x more bandwidth on tap for array based PCIe SSD storage cards

Apple could release a brick and stupid people would by it. It is not about tech or quality. It is about mindless cultism.

I’m pretty sure that will come in the next generation or two. Just adding support for external pci-e devices was a pretty heavy lift from M1 to M2.

The competition in that space uses AMD Threadripper and Intel Xeon W, which are based on their server platforms and designed very differently to mobile phone chips.

They're waiting for CXL to settle into consumer viability.

And no ECC memory support in some fields is an immediate dealbreaker. You know, the fields that would have bought the 2019 Mac Pro but now have no option in Apple's ecosystem.

I think it makes all the sense in the world when you consider that it's Apple

don't need gpu in this pccs

@@piyushpithava8540 sorry I don't speak wrong

Because graphic card, has intel code in bios, perhaps, you need emulator to initialize the gfx card.

Don't think there is any ARM based processor that supports external GPUs or RAM. ARM cpus perform better per watt, but are less versatile than x86

Yes, at least following the 3-2-1 rule is always a good idea when it comes to backups.

As soon as a reviewer says “I’m going to use this, but you peasants don’t need it”, you’re going to get a subset of individuals (not gonna lie… they’re probably dudes) who buy it as a result.

THAT is the answer. And since I live in the USA, it's so prevalent that I can't even buy a wagon/estate version of the car I really want (a sports-sedan) and had to buy the SUV version to have a proper size trunk/boot despite not even wanting one. Oh well.

@@MrTrestoJust buy a truck.

​@@maxpro751oh yes, you want a small sporty car? Get a fucking truck! Makes sense!

@@maxpro751 Yes just buy something more expensive and less safe

Not really, the imac 24 is still on m1

@@TwatMcGee iMacs aren't pro machines though.

One option would be to only release ultra versions of every other chip (i.e., no M3 Ultra), so it would still be the top of the line performance for it's whole product lifecycle.

They should just switch to a 2 year cycle on Mac's and chips. Base M chips one year, Pro chips the next. They need a larger iMac and an update to the 24" bad.

@@AlexAnteroLammikko Neither is the Macbook Air but it still gets yearly updates

Exactly. Nobody sane is going to buy this terrible deal of a kitchen appliance.

@@cameronbosch1213 For me the older model feels superior cause it can use GPUs and you can upgrade the ram as needed. Even with older CPUs having more ram and being able to hit GPU cores with loads matters for some people.

@@cameronbosch1213 The idea that the Mac Pro is a kitchen appliance is laughable (despite its size), but you're right that it is probably a terrible deal for most people.

Most don't need it some need it. That's what marques said. Maybe one day they will create a dedicated GPU for M chips.

@@cameronbosch1213 there's a lot of sane people who will buy this one Mac who don't need GPUs for their workflow but rather other specialist expansion cards and fast storage.

Really well done

Yea the team is amazing

One of those 64tb filled PCIe cars will cost you about 30k btw lol

@@benbork9835 Nope. It's $12k.

This ain't LTT my guy..

This is Apple. Their clients buy the thing over social pressure, not rational reasons.

just because you dont know what to do with internal expansion doesnt mean everyone is as ignorant

Plugging in an external PCI-e card is just as much of a niche solution; few people have the need to do so, especially with the graphics performance of the M2.

It’s called chassis intrusion. It’s a common feature on servers. They rely on a certain airflow path and when you remove the lid it changes that. So pretty much what you said. It’s very normal for workstations and servers to operate that way.

Yes and the old one actually did do the same thing

@@mrsittingmongoose Never worked with servers but I love computers. This is a neat explanation that makes sense. Thanks, learned something new.

you spelled that wrong but I still get what you mean and agree with you

mkhb?

thank you for your criticism of apple, you're better off with a Threadripper CPU from AMD, and a Computer tower with a GPU from NVdiai or AMD.

not only for storage also sound cards and a few other things like fiber channel cards, fiber networking cards, video cards ( not graphics) and Ethernet cards. I’m sure they are trying to cut off all external chips and gpu though. They are expecting the m1-m2 chips to be enough. But If anything they could have given the option to add another chip for people who wanted to do things like that.

@@letsplaywar problem with that is that you can't run macOS in a sensible supported way.

if youre an average computer user, the product simply is not for you. no use critiquing how something that wasnt designed to meet your needs doesnt meet your needs.

@@jonathanodude6660 You don't have to care what I think, I just put it out there . I still think for 95% of even professional/business environments the Studio is a no brainer.

Difference is back then, there was a large performance discrepancy between an entry level desktop, workstations, and laptops. Today, a professional can get everything done on a MacBook Pro without waiting for anything to compute. Things have changed. Today, these large desktops are niche.

​@@MalcolmREBORNNo. You cant do advanced simulations,crash testing matrix calculations because M1 doesnt have math extensions on silicon Try on a mac simulatingan an aircraft engine with 10 million degrees of freedom for 2 weeks nonstop, macs cant

@@MalcolmREBORN I agree with you, but 'niche' was my whole point. My comment is more about the blanket attitude high-end Macs always attract. I have a Dell Precision Work Station with 192 GB RAM and dual Xeons, and the price was astronomical, but no PC KZfaqrs disparage Dell for having high-end Work Stations. They ignore them and focus on those products in their users' price range.

@@Teluric2how do you mean? Apple Silicon has all the hardware needed to run any simulation, including hardware FPU and vector acceleration extensions. Not to mention unified memory architecture expands available memory to GPU cores.

If they do that, everyone is gonna find the way that works to expand the lowest configuration memory to the highest to save money, and that doesnt like to apple

@@blion3dif Apple makes external memory “cards”, believe me, it won’t be cheap.

What are people doing with all that memory? Like opening 5 chrome tabs?

@@prashantkaushik7063 Sound libraries for music composers are often in excess of 300GB

@@griffin8062 I see you also watch Neil Parfitt

This is why I'm done with Apple, they used to be premium but absolutely focused on the user. Now they just seem to be making it up as they go along. $2.5k for 8TB in 2023 is just absurd.

Next thing you'll expect is the $400 castors to transfer to the new machine.

In part because it's an ARM chip, can't just be thrown into a system like an x86 chip

​@@enzorodrigues9735they could do a mobo swap with the last gen Mac pro pretty easily if they wanted. But it's Apple, that's never been their style

​@@enzorodrigues9735Uh. How to say this nicely. Even if an arm chip is soldered to the board it still needs a socket or slot to fit into. And lo and behold the M chips do. The M-socket. That means an M1 chip can be pulled out of the socket once removing the solder which holds it in place and an M2 chip will slide right in. It's also a SOC, so all I/O is handled on chip. The motherboard is just needs a small controller to handle routing on the board. And look at that. It's the same damned routing chip since it doesn't make sense to create a new one. The reason M2 doesn't work with M1 is because Apple doesn't want to sell a chip. The margins are better on a complete system. Even in Intel days Apple made it a PITA to swap chips. Now that they control the entire ecosystem they've made it impossible.

LOL, this isn't Framework company, this is Apple. Of course you will have to rebuy everything. Like you can't swap the intel MacBook Air with the M1 motherboard.

Yoooo I was scrolling and couldn’t find anyone mentioning Timmy!!! So was I lol so finally after scrolling I made the comment myself lol then after a single scroll later I seen yours 😂

Just out of curiosity.. what do you use the neural engine cores for ?

@@mm-hl7gh Machine Learning tasks

Honestly an integrated GPU will almost never beat a dedicated one like the 6900XT, which isn’t even built for metal (meaning it could probably run a ton faster in a dx12/vulkan benchmark)

@@dnsjtoh The Apple M series chips are SoCs, not simply a CPU with integrated graphics. Meaning that there is a CPU portion of the chip, and a gfx portion of the chip. However, these days, there is no clear cut answer. Types of compute are merging, others are being more specialized, and compute is moving to different locations than a single computer tower (think DPUs). The Apple M series chips have a large number of accelerators that if your workflow uses will outpace any general compute silicon like gfx cards. And if you benchmark on perf/watt, the M series often surpasses most systems with a dedicated CPU & GPU. But if you need pure, raw, gfx compute, then yes, a dedicated GFX card or several, will outpace an M series chip. If you consider the quantity of silicon apple uses relative to the alternate components (totaling a CPU+dGPU) then Apple is extremely performant for the amount of silicon consumed. TL;DR "It depends"

27in studio monitor + Mac mini.

@@TechnoLawyer I'm tempted to go Studio+M3Max and external monitors. 1 x 27" + 2 x 21" sidecars in vertical.

Exactly, the 27 inch imac was their best computer, combining performance with a big screen in one package.

​@@JDH_MUSICThe iMac died to me when they killed Target Display mode. It just became a huge amount of e-waste. The Mac Studio is better, but the Studio Display is objectively a bad deal.

They'll have to graduate from the i prefix to the j prefix

Not nearly as bad yet as i9-13900K/KS/KF

@@EvilestMinion that is easy though? K is overclock, ks is overclock supreme with best binning and kf for no igpu.

​@@EvilestMinioni mean the whole name is not that important just by using 13900k you can easily understand what generation the product belongs to "13" what type of cpu it is i9 "900" and can it be overclocked "K" , S just means its a better version of K and F means it doesn't have an IGPU.

@@harshmaurya.cy24can you please explain Apples naming conventions for processors now?

Modern high end x86 CPUs eat M2 for breakfast, because they focus on CPU and go for power over efficiency. They also allow you to add more RAM and have plenty of PCIe lanes on the high end workstations. GPUs are optional, and they can be much more powerful too if you need them. M2 is an oversized mobile chip, designed for power efficiency, whereas high end x86 systems have no problem devouring 200+ watts just for the CPU.

@@Pushing_Pixelsbut isn’t efficiency what people want. Just because something uses a lot of power doesn’t mean it runs good.

@@Bobspineable In a laptop or mobile device yes, efficiency is crucial, and Apple's M-series is great at providing high performance relative to power consumption. In a desktop, particularly one that's intended for highly demanding workloads like the Mac Pro, people want performance. Apple's approach to this is sticking multiple M-series processors together which gives you more performance, but not as much as a design specifically targeting performance would. Generally, a high-performance design will require more power, and the higher you push the clock frequency, which further increases performance, the more power you need. It doesn't scale linearly, you do get diminishing returns, and different designs will be more or less efficient. Apple also builds its GPU into the M processors, which is perfect for mobile and low power performance, but it limits total potential performance. Using discrete GPUs allows you to scale much higher, which is extremely important for certain demanding workloads. This Mac Pro limits users to the embedded GPU in the M2, which is not terrible, but if you're spending this much money you should be able to use as many of whichever GPUs you want. It's a bad deal for users that need more GPU power. Also, 200 watts was an extreme example for x86, you can get a very capable CPU that runs at 65w. But a powerful GPU is an add on that has its own separate power consumption on top of that and they can go up to 350-400w.

just build a windows pc. easy.

@@Pushing_Pixels Try similar workloads; Apple Silicon workloads tend to use a lot less RAM than the equivalent Intel workloads do.