Same with clearing second to break up a double-play

@@Glum1964 Problem there was that they were taking it too far, so the SS or 2B would get the ball and would be 3' away from the bag after the force out and the runner would slide into them.

That's how the game was taught and played. Check out how they slide into bases in the 20-30's. You'd call these, clean slides. The game evolves but saying these are dirty based on today's standards is wrong!

@@cwalenta656 until the ss or 2nd baseman sidearms a ball toward 1st base that kabongs off the noggin of the baserunner. That'll stop those slides.

Nondescript; SPOT-ON U R!!!!! Un4tun8ly; the rule change was made ,(under the guise of "safety").

There's solid reason he gets booed

Lol yeah, sad he is like that

in his defense hes calmed down alot since coming to SD.

Him and Puig are the dirtiest players in history

@@VeraIV yeah he knows he’s on his last chance so he has to behave

Dirtiest player in baseball!

Agree about machado.

@Ken Wesaw As soon as I read the title to this video, I wondered how many clips would involve Machado. I've been waiting for years for a 1st baseman to finally lose his patience and beat Machado's nose flat after Machado has tried yet again to break the other player's ankle.

Machado is scum. I'd like to see someone slide into third with their cleats in his face.

Even though Pedroia refused to call out his "friends'" dirty, career ending shot... Most Boston fans expect whoever is pitching, should we face Machado on the field again, to bean him.

Most of them aren't even "dirty".

I’ve seen people dodge leg breaking slides at 2nd base a couple of times . In soccer the slides would not just net you a red ( extremely dangerous play) it’d be career suspension because straight foot cleats out will 110 % shatter the leg Ie Eduardo’s open fracture in arsenal vs Birmingham.. his bone was out from a square cleats out slide., just think your leg is locked into the ground with cleats and a side kick slide is breaking your leg

That Puig one was extra mild. 😂

One of the few actual dirty plays in this video

It was a good play… defender should secure the ball

They are hustle plays. Did you notice that he checked on the dude, was like "you good?" Then pats him on the back.

And subject to retaliation

That first one wasn't a slide this man flew haha

@@lghrns , it was Hal McRae on both plays.

And it shouldn’t have been. Not then and not now.

@@WackJallis i mostly agree. but, if you make a genuine slide and happen to up end the fielder, im ok with that. but both of McRaes plays were _o b v i o u s_ the bag was *not his intent.*

@@googoo-gjoob after a genuine slide, the runner would be on the base, not upending the fielder. That kind of play came about as players in the old days would take advantage of ambiguity of whether they were trying to get to the base or trying to interfere with the fielder. Umpires were reluctant to call it, despite it always being against the rules to deliberately try and interfere with a fielder, just like they were reluctant to toss pitchers for throwing at batters until after they'd warned both sides. To me, baseball has always had a real problem with a 'if you're not cheating, you're not trying' attitude. Honor, sportsmanship, and being a positive role model for children are never as important as winning.

Right? The image of him standing on second with his hands on his head looking like a child covered in chocolate syrup denying it was him makes me laugh every time.

All I see is "class act" "what a great guy" Jeter clapping in the dugout after the play, knowing full well what just happened.

@@CrescentRollCarl Because no one has a clearer view of the play than the guy running for third, with Arroyo standing in his line of sight. 😝 Respect the irrational Jeter hatted, but that's a stretch.

Nah, even for that era it was dirty. Dude didn't even try to slide. You had to at least try to slide, but instead McCray just flat out hip checked him.

​@@Banzai51 And didn't even tag the base

@@Banzai51 "You had to at least try to slide" Says who? Show me in the rule back then that you had to slide? You NEVER have to slide. At least those were the rules back then.

@@dandiehm8414 Yeah, you're right. The dude is wrong. Those DP break ups happened every single game.

The catcher didn't even have the ball, definitely dirty

Before inter-league play. Both teams played to win. Definitely a shame for the rest of Fosse's career.

Yeah, a laugh riot for those in the receiving end

hockey, a real sport. I will be forever thankful to Canada for giving us hockey, hey !

@@peterjohnson617 True! 🙌 go avs!

You know what else was legal? Drilling the baserunner in the forehead with the ball if he didn't slide. Checks and Balances.

@@dandiehm8414 fair point lol

Agreed. Some of the highlights in this video were questionably put there.

But launching into him like a missle is.

@@colyhope6467 Fosse was positioned three feet in front of home. That's why the tackle slide was such an important part of the game. Fair to say that it's too risky to the catcher to allow that kind of slide - that's why they changed the rules - but it was the behavior of catchers like Fosse that created the need for that kind of silde. Because if Fosse had gotten the ball half a second earlier, he would have squared up to Rose, dropped his shoulder, and laid him out.

If you think anything in that video was dirty (with exception of MM and Albert) you are part of the woke problem with baseball today. They used to sharpen their spikes so they could cut people when they slid into bases. It was all part of the game and acceptable. Breaking up a double play was expected, now they have to slide at the 80’ mark so they don’t touch the middle infielders. It’s worse than the NFFL (National Flag Football League) formerly known as the NFL…

​@@utgreenheadthe fact that you used the term "woke" to describe baseball is ridiculous.. get your head out of your ass and your eyes off of Fox News and take a nice walk outside for once.

I hate that unwritten rule crap. I don't pay attention to any made up rules anyone has to tell me about. Totally agree

It wasn't getting away with anything. It was called hardball.

It's better now. Baseball wasn't meant to be a contact sport.

@@patpat8727 No, not better. It was meant to be played hard and with aggression. It was not meant to be watered down by the squeamish and the weak. Buster Posey is a weenie, and we didn't need a rule to make everyone else one, too.

@@pigdeal31 you can still play hard and with aggression without injuring people. It's not a contact sport. Simple as that.

Ended his career? In his rookie season? Fosse went on to catch for 12 seasons and was a multiple World Series champion and Gold Glove winner and was frequently among the top of the league's defensive stats for his position. Fosse was plagued by injuries throughout his career that had nothing to do with the Rose collision.

Fosse was injured in a collision with Pete Rose at home plate.[8][9] Initial X-rays revealed no fractures or other damage, although a re-examination the following year found Fosse had sustained a fractured and separated shoulder, which healed incorrectly, causing chronic pain that was never entirely resolved.

@@BuckshotPA1 Yeah. No one disputes that. He was injured on the play. Big difference between that and it ended his career. I don't know how you end someone's career when they go on to win awards for being at the top defensively at their position and multiple championships. Fosse also suffered multiple severe injuries apart from this play that you don't seem to realize or acknowledge.

@@BuckshotPA1 and Fosse was not playing during the time between his collision with Rose and new x-rays?

Y’all win! hurt his shoulder. Way back when, I remember announcers talking about his shoulder was never the same and his career suffered. He was an all-star! Still an exhibition game!

Machado is a dirty player.

That's the play I was waiting for.

And still should be. You know how to keep from getting erased at second base? You drill the baserunner in the forehead with the ball if he doesn't slide.

The rule needed to be changed. You're so vulnerable when throwing, and 2 basemen were getting injured too much. It's one thing to knock a guy off the throw to 1st, but when it becomes part of the game plan to crack ribs or break knees to break up a play, it needs to change. That's not in the spirit of baseball.

@@chipcrayton If you need to see collisions in order to watch baseball, you were never a baseball fan to begin with. Go watch football. There's so much more to baseball than players running into each other.

Shame about the gambling stuff. Quite frankly the fact he only bet on his own teams has never once bothered me. It's one thing to bet against yourself and then throw the game, but betting only on yourself to win? I mean who gives a shit 🙄 dude is all-time and nothing will ever change that... At least until someone breaks his hits record.

@@Mr_Jish I agree with you for the most part but.... Part of the argument about betting on his team to win is that the games he did NOT bet them to win... He may have not managed in the same fashion if he did not have money riding.

@@toddrunyon the only problem with what you say is he bet to win every game

@@Mr_Jish well, it's no different than insider trading. I wonder if it's still ok with you now.

@@billrobertson5895 Gambling on games, even if you are betting on your team to win, leave the gambler open to blackmail if he becomes indebted to bookies. That is why it is against the rules for a player or manager to bet on ANY game. And betting on your team to win one game but not on a second game is the equivalent of betting on your team to lose the second game.

And next time you came to bat ___

How their nothing alike 🤔

@@DC-op8fs *they’re* Learn to recognize sarcasm in life. Also, learn the fucking difference between there, their and they’re. My 8 year old granddaughter knows the difference for fucks sake.

i don’t miss good players being out half the year because they got body slammed in a sport where no one is wearing any sort of protection.

​@@beagle626soft

I’m with your dad

You did say it, but the whole "great" part and the "man" part are in question.

Or puig!

what talent?

Exactly my point! What talent?

McRae also took Willie Randolph out at second. McRae had to keep running past the base. You call it what you want but it was very dirty.

RIP Ray Fosse

Not gonna lie, never personally seen this clip and I have played some baseball in my time. Definitely looks like there should have been some sort of repercussions for that hit. Some things in sports just slide I suppose

Fosse was already on the downside of his career when this happened. Blaming Rose for a player that's already playing like an old man is just silly.

Looking at the play in this context, what else was Pete gonna do?

I’m a Diamondback fan, and I always HATED little Piggy as I used to call him, but I agree, that wasn’t a dirty play.

Phony stuff was made up about him,research it,the reporter was dirty!

Hrbek's play was more like cheating. A dirty play causes unnecessary pain. See Machado's career.

Yeah it’s much more difficult to find filmed footage from that era

Even though it's proven he never bet on a game he was involved with. Yup, keep that delusional world you live in alive. I'll break it down in 2 seconds.

That was nothing compared the the Hal McRae plays.

that wasnt dirty. it was a part of the game.

@@devlinjointz4754 you don't create a rule if it was a clean play, utley was a dirty player most of his career and that was an intentionally dirty play with full intent to do harm.

@@brianemerich2524 its a clean play because there was no rule. Utley said his intention was to break up the double play. Which he did. Unless you can read minds you cant argue otherwise.

That was

Yeah it was at the time, the ruling didn’t change until after Chase Utley took out Ruben Tejada in the 2015 NLDS. Now the ruling is the runner has to make an attempt to aim for the plate when sliding to break up a double play

@@Wolf-wc1js and the runner has to be able to reach the bag.

WITHOUT THE BALL!

It was the All Star Game and it completely derailed Ray Fosse’s entire career

@@krolik1157 so don’t get in the runner’s way? You play hard the whole game, or that’s how it’s supposed to be. Never want anyone to get hurt, but we shouldn’t make the game soft to prevent it

He should have been ARRESTED for it.

Problem with your assessment is that was legal back when men played baseball

@@montysinnett5622 I see legality and dirtiness as two different issues. Just because a play is legal doesn't make it any less dirty, IMO.

​@@10Peter25 well then practically everybody that played the game at that time would disagree. The goal of the runner was to break up the double play and help their team win. Do you have any evidence, at that time, getting injured from such a play?

@nicholastrudeau7581 Then everyone was a dirty baserunner back then. I'm familiar enough with the way baseball was played in Hal McRae's day to know two things. 1. You're exaggerating quite a bit. 2. Hal McRae had the reputation even by the standards of his day of being a dirty baserunner.

Somebody needs to take Hal McRae to the woodshed

Not really and the object shouldn’t be trying to murder someone during an All-Star game.

Agree, clean

@@TheSjuris Yes really. If anything, this is catcher obstruction.

Fosse didn’t even have the ball. The defender isn’t allowed to block the baseline if they don’t have the ball. Rose was 100 percent in the right

@@Mikino1976 so you’re okay with destroying someone’s career to score a run in the most meaningless game of the year.

I was at that game. Later in the game, Munson went 1st to 3rd and if George Brett hadn't moved, Munson would have gutted him like a fish with his cleats easily waist high.

@@brasp32 That was a great rivalry at one time.

Need protection on your body from all of that😂😂

Machado kicking that guy in the ankle was dirty, dirty in 1920, dirty in 2020.

@@ThekiBoran fair enough

I'm with you. I get so sick and tired of these pansy-asses, who never played, saying plays like this are wrong. When a catcher blocks the plate, he does so at his own risk and they DAMN WELL know it. They KNOW the consequences. If you're calling this play dirty, you're nothing but a dumbass.