agree hahaha

+oshin gin 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

and i think about my baby boy chanu if ikon won he would've been a member in winner with hyungs who are 7 years older than him!!!

@@zohrak8715 but i think if winner were reorganised with the 3 members, chanwoo, jinhyeong and hongseok, i think hongseok will be picked

Same

I'm crying

The way he critics this survival show in front yang hyun suk, two thumbs up

Did you know guys how hard for YG male group idol if they want debut,,,, Here I give you the Fact : YG boy groups have to be able to compose their own songs, they have to make a masterpiece songs and if the song is good and they also good at sing, dance and rap then they can Debut....Each group will competes making a song and whose song is good and good at perfom sing,dance and rap then you and your group can debut. And you are the "Perfect All Kill because you are Multitalent" 1.See BigBang - For BigBang Gd make their debut song 2.See Winner & iKON while Mix & Match - For winner Seungyoon make their debut song, - for iKON Hanbin make their debut song. 3. See Treasure - for Treasure Asahi make their debut song While other idols from other agencies if they want to debut they no need to compose song. They no need too hard to make a Masterpiese song for debut. Just Enough you Handsome, Can sing, Can Dance, Can Rap...it's Enough. This is The different YG Talent than others. Even JYP ever said YG CEO's Standard is too High, YG never let His Trainee Debut if His Trainee don't have High Quality (Perfect All Kill),,,,Yeah YG just Trainee an Artists not an Idol....

@@fastenglishclubchannel4861 I came herre because I miss this moment. and find your comment from 7month ago. This means I'm not the only one miss this WIN moment. And yeah your comment so true, now see how many song thats Mino and Yoonie produce over the years, for their band, for their solo, as well as for other singer.

I found it hot too😂

It so sad that these thinking is still in this generation.. :(

this is what im saying, i cried!!

yeah both of them is equally talented to me

He's a natural. Totally agree.

Your comment is making me tear up due to the current situation of Hanbin

Agree

+Isabel Dizon super agree.. i never imagine team B to be called WINNER.. "IKON" suits their team more..

it's weird!! no chanana!/

Agree also if team A didn't win Chanwoo is not Goanna be part of IKON

+Isabel Dizon team a is set to be the winner in this show this is just a exposure like promoting, b team is too young to debut and isnt it awkward that team b will debut firstthey are too young compared to team a im not saying that age is not a factor when debuting,b team can wait another year to debut and now they look more matured, imagine if team a debut last year i think its a bit too late,

+ygstyle _ The only person I hate is YG I'm okay with Ikon ^^

+ygstyle _ I hope more people think like you.

+ygstyle _ right.. i wanna slap those who always throw shit at iKON. >.< The boys worked hard and don't deserve the hate

+ygstyle _ If all this didn't happen,Chanwoo wouldn't be in the group.

+Maria Soares i have been in a rewatch marathon for a while now and i'm thinking about the "what ifs" that other people started. in my opinion, IF EVER ikon became winner and winner became ikon, there could be a possibility that chanwoo would not be selected. i was thinking maybe hong seok will have a better chance since team a is vocals-oriented.

Nina Ahgase they love each other that's why 😊

Lots and lots of love for this adorable dorks 😘😍🥰💜💕

They makes me love them more and more

ㅇㅈㅜㅜ

Me too

lolㅋㅋㅋㅋ

HAHAHAHAHAHHA

LT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

omg😂😂😂

🤣🤣🤣

You're not alone ㅋㅋㅋ

me too

I just realized this too while rewatching. What a downfall lolol

Did you know guys how hard for YG male group idol if they want debut,,,, Here I give you the Fact : YG boy groups have to be able to compose their own songs, they have to make a masterpiece songs and if the song is good and they also good at sing, dance and rap then they can Debut....Each group will competes making a song and whose song is good and good at perfom sing,dance and rap then you and your group can debut. And you are the "Perfect All Kill because you are Multitalent" 1.See BigBang - For BigBang Gd make their debut song 2.See Winner & iKON while Mix & Match - For winner Seungyoon make their debut song, - for iKON Hanbin make their debut song. 3. See Treasure - for Treasure Asahi make their debut song While other idols from other agencies if they want to debut they no need to compose song. They no need too hard to make a Masterpiese song for debut. Just Enough you Handsome, Can sing, Can Dance, Can Rap...it's Enough. This is The different YG Talent than others. Even JYP ever said YG CEO's Standard is too High, YG never let His Trainee Debut if His Trainee don't have High Quality (Perfect All Kill),,,,Yeah YG just Trainee an Artists not an Idol....

nah I'm pretty sure lots of people think the same as you

Hahahahaha that's what I thought. Typical Junhe

Honestly i've been searching a comment like this, and BAAAAmmm there you are, 😂😂😂😂 I really like really really curious about what junhoe wrote for bobby.... 😂 cos I'm junbob shiper...

Oohhhh. Muz have been this letter that made Junhoe so awkward with Bobby and Bobby love Junhoe so much?? Hahahha. I am soon curious what he wrote too. Hahhaa.

😂😂😂

@@sooenn yes this is what i thought.. before this happened, members never says abt junbob being awkward.. junhoe always sits next to bobby.. n u know what happened next🤣

진짜 박진영 무슨 가사 전달력 이라든지 너무 꺵꺵이같은 헛소리를 들으니 넘 짜증나요 ㅜㅜ

Ikr, very friendly and supportive to his dongsaeng

Did you know guys how hard for YG male group idol if they want debut,,,, Here I give you the Fact : YG boy groups have to be able to compose their own songs, they have to make a masterpiece songs and if the song is good and they also good at sing, dance and rap then they can Debut....Each group will competes making a song and whose song is good and good at perfom sing,dance and rap then you and your group can debut. And you are the "Perfect All Kill because you are Multitalent" 1.See BigBang - For BigBang Gd make their debut song 2.See Winner & iKON while Mix & Match - For winner Seungyoon make their debut song, - for iKON Hanbin make their debut song. 3. See Treasure - for Treasure Asahi make their debut song While other idols from other agencies if they want to debut they no need to compose song. They no need too hard to make a Masterpiese song for debut. Just Enough you Handsome, Can sing, Can Dance, Can Rap...it's Enough. This is The different YG Talent than others. Even JYP ever said YG CEO's Standard is too High, YG never let His Trainee Debut if His Trainee don't have High Quality (Perfect All Kill),,,,Yeah YG just Trainee an Artists not an Idol....

😭😭

OT7 forever

Yes ot7 forever 😭😢

OT7 ✊🏻

아니 진짜 심사가 아니라 좋아하는대로 고르기 이런느낌임

+yunhyeong&amp;catherine yaas finally i was looking for this comment. The previous times I do agree that Ikon did better but this time seriously come on, bias aside but team A was definitely better

I love reading comments like this. It's so refreshing to see comments from people who prefers one group but can still commend the other group where it is due. *Thumbs up!

I am anikonic too and i absolutely agree, so glad someone finally said it in the comments!

my bias group is ikon aswell but winner did better in battle 2 and noone can deny that i loved their verson of 'im officially missing you'

I was thinking the same way

권여울 그래도 마약그룹

강빈센트 ?? ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 무슨 싸잡아서 말하네

@@user-kp5mt4zc4j 왜저러고 삼

I agree, the first I heard it i was like "OOHHH WOW PERF *u*". They deserve higher score for that unff

Right the other times I was with the judges kinda but not this time, it's like they were doing it on purpose

Yes team A did perform well

@@zachoo7765 it WAS on purpose. YG needed that extra push for all viewers to choose Team A. YG scammed the viewers into being loyal to Team A because he wanted Team A to win. He gave them a song that could fit with them and gave Team B a song that didn't suit them at all. The song choices were strange from the start. I think he always planned to debut both groups but Team A first. He just needed the publicity and he loves using survival shows to do it.

솔직히 인정

Yeah

Jasmine A completely agree. WINNER have soul which TEAM B doesn't.

BHyun D.O I am sorry if my comment offended you. But I am not talking 'shits' nor 'nonsense' but merely stating my opinion. Over the episode the battles were very concentrated on hiphop and choreography which eam b has an upper hand on. But when it did come to creativity, team a do have an upper hand. Plus, the music that they're promoting right now as WINNER is tilted on the 'ballad' side which is their forte and soulful. I'm not saying team b doesn't have soul in the term where their songs don't have depth, I am merely stating that the kind of specialty they have doesn't really portray 'soul' which, most of team a's original works have. the groups are totally different when it comes to style.

Lucy Diamond definitely agree with you. I can't help but feel that it is biased on happy vibed performances. Even on the previous episodes, tae hyun said he worked hard to change his forte from ballad to hiphop. Seungyoon also said he wanted to make people cry with his songs. they clearly wanted their genre to be ballad. but on show like this who biased more on hiphops, it really is hard to win. team a is really good if not compared to team b.

Well said👏

+Jas A their sincerity in their music, love that. you can feel the emotion in their compotition, lyrict, expression and harmony even in their dance (Seunghoon's choreo) back then i couldn't find the soul in their dance bcs they did much concern to beating team be who do haevy hiphop dance but after wacthed their last dance bettle you could say that team A is good dancer in different style with team b

I agree, I'm amazed of how good iKON was even since WIN era. So powerful on stage.

Yeaa so talented

A little late of a reply, but these are exactly my thoughts after this episode

he's a good leader🙋🏻‍♀️

+Ji Noona god bless you

BLACKPINK SLAY MY HEART yep 😔

It is usually only the most obnoxious ones that fart the loudest. :/ Honestly, I don't know how one can be an Inner Circle without automatically being iKonic?

Meg Usta ask me I'm inner circle but non an iKonic -lol- since I only adore 3 pabos -pleaseReadInLovingWay- in iKon (Jinan, Junhoe and Bobby.)

Agree. I think fanwar between Inner Circles and Ikonics are the most ridiculous among other k-pop fandom. Not just about this show but about every other war they had. Like, they are friends with each other and of the same company!

exactly what i thought, I really thought that the judges would like Team A's song better because of the vocals and the message

neniiaaraLane Dang, screw "trainee level" that was perfect even for a professional. The judges are just biased.

Cassiopeia Park god i know right? it makes me so angry also when the battle yg vs jyp? when the rap kids were there doing their thing and in the end nobody talked about how good mino was... like... fuking really? mino was an underground rapper and that's cliché, but i've heard the songs he has and he's good, he actually sounds kinda gansta haha idk, but i mean my point is he was the one who actually had more experience, he did better, didn't forget his lyrics, etc, and those old men couldn't even acknowledge it... honestly that was unjust, team a was struggling mentally and that could have given physiological comfort to mino at least, but nah let's just ignore him. but NOW he's fuking kicking ass in smtm4 and just now, people are starting to recognize him like "ah maybe he's good" like, NAH son, he was good since years ago and you couldn't accept it because team b danced more synchronized than team a, because honestly... that was the whole issue here, i realized this a while ago... they were judging team a badly because they liked how good and synchronized team b danced (which there meant good team work) in everything, because honestly their vocals weren't that awesome, their songs weren't that good, and their lyrics that deep or meaningful, like "winning winning all day" ? ahhhh ok. "but they danced perfectly, so they're better" (and they did they are awesome :P ) but they judged everything team a did based on that, whether it was dancing, singing, or composing o__o also the last song? team b's climax was really really good, i even bought it lol and made people cry and that's cool and all, but people forgot team a were doing that since officially missing you for example, why didn't they acknowledged that? they were all like " oh TeamB, that was a great idea/song" like... NAH. ... but well anyway that's just my opinion :)

team a's performance had a much better delivery

neniiaaraLane im watching this for the second time and i already understand why did team b won this round on 2nd battle. I was also confused as the others how and why team b won, the lyrics were goodand their vocals and did a good job on here but i think i only saw the lyrics and not the performance itself, team b is as always doing great performances but i was actually like team a shouldve won here, i also have the thought of the judges being biased but jyp was the only one who saw both team before this battle tho plus i think the judges were anticipating more on team a's performance and expected a lot, so i think team a's perf didnt reach their expectation , now i see and understand the judges' comments of team a. i focused on team a's lyrics and got attached of it. but team b really did a great job than team a on this round.

TBH yg fucked team b with Justin Bieber song

Team A changed the lyrics into Korean, using meaningful words and putting their own stories in it. Team B could do the same but they chose to keep the original lyrics and put all their words into the rap, which is not so impressing 'cause people do it all the time. I think Team B, just like you, thought Baby is not a good song to remake, so they didnt pay too much attention on it. They might think they could win with the song they made by themselves. So they focus on it but then YG made them get trouble with the lyrics. So team B were not in luck, but team A 100% win bc they did perfectly with both songs

+Jazmin Mendoza Bruh I'm with you HAHAHA been scrolling to find out what and where to download the game HAHA

its fantasy runners

Jazmin Mendoza haha same xD I was looking if there was other comments then the complaining haha I want to know too which game that was xD

@@laineejil1772 thanks! Haha

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luvlicense2012 same here i dont get first, but later i tho maybe they harsh cos wanna make Team more stronger, cos now team A become official band and fans not sweet too...you know what i mean ye?

Me too I even comes only after saw mino in SMTM

It's called constructive criticism

im an ikonic.. but WHY AM I AGREE FOR THIS LOL

+Melbin Lou Oh yeaaaa, he's considered a GD, Taeyang, T.O.P mix. GD=lower half of face Taeyang= upper half of face T.O.P=voice Look up the comparisons, you'll be shocked!

exactly! 😂😂💔

you not alone 😂

That was my first impression of Mino. He's like GD but, like, bad boyish. Where GD is, yes, he's a pretty boy (Crayon tune).

+Gayatri C. also personality of Seungri and Daesung XD He's basically Big Bang's child

+Jas A I did watch mix and match but not Won is next? so after IKON's debut, i'm watchin' it. And i still can't figure out why Team B did not win but as for this stage Team A was obviously better than Team B in all 3 battle. I just don't see how come they give higher point to Team B.

+Jas A because the judges were too hep hap to let winner win

+kulotz5555 too hep hap to lose LOL

+Jas A I'm so angry, I can't breath Not hep hap enough I suppose FUUUUUUUU-

I honestly cried at seunghuyn's rap, seungyeon and taehyun's vocals were out if this world, and Jinwoo with his unique voice made this song more charming. I love ikon, but it simply wasn't fair, team A's song and delivery were WAY better.

그러게요 ㅜㅜ 물론 Team B도 잘했지만

현장이랑 음이 다른가봄

because we are officially missing them all, bb 2ne1 w ikon

Did you know guys how hard for YG male group idol if they want debut,,,, Here I give you the Fact : YG boy groups have to be able to compose their own songs, they have to make a masterpiece songs and if the song is good and they also good at sing, dance and rap then they can Debut....Each group will competes making a song and whose song is good and good at perfom sing,dance and rap then you and your group can debut. And you are the "Perfect All Kill because you are Multitalent" 1.See BigBang - For BigBang Gd make their debut song 2.See Winner & iKON while Mix & Match - For winner Seungyoon make their debut song, - for iKON Hanbin make their debut song. 3. See Treasure - for Treasure Asahi make their debut song While other idols from other agencies if they want to debut they no need to compose song. They no need too hard to make a Masterpiese song for debut. Just Enough you Handsome, Can sing, Can Dance, Can Rap...it's Enough. This is The different YG Talent than others. Even JYP ever said YG CEO's Standard is too High, YG never let His Trainee Debut if His Trainee don't have High Quality (Perfect All Kill),,,,Yeah YG just Trainee an Artists not an Idol....

ㅇㅈ 진짜이해할수가없네여

ㅇㅈ a도 잘함

ㄹㅇ 또 들엇음

그런식으로 말하지 않았으면....

1001아이콘 마약그룹이에요

@@user-kp5mt4zc4j ㅗ

OMG *LIGHT BULBS GOING ON* YOU JUST BLEW MY MIND. THANK YOU. I've always thought he looked like someone, but could never put my finger on who.

You just spoke my mind. Thats what I've been thinking of

I always thought he looks like the male version of Hwang Jung Eum, he constantly reminds me of her!

I also think he looks like luhan

Exactly

Couldn't have explained it better! Team A was already set to debut. This whole survival show was just to build them as a team and let them find their own style. It also provided good publicity for Team B who YG was planning to debut later as well since they were younger and less prepared individually.

+autumn presley Of course, YG is not biased.

Wow. I think the exact same way 👍

I think ikon's song suited them too, not really much but it did.. and also maybe yg gave them that song to be some kind of challenge to see if they can do other styles too... this show is indeed for publicity but that's what I think

This industry honestly sucks

I know i'm very late watching this show but i just had to reply to this. You are so right! Lol. He had it all planned ahead, like debut Winner first then Ikon. Why go through such hassle if he's just dropping the other grp after this, right?! It's his way of riling up audience/fans feelings for both groups. As a result, they established loyal fans for both groups even before debut. Marketing! Haha Honestly, i only started being a fan of ikon since Love Scenario. Then i started listening to all their albums, watched ikonTV, and my love for them just grows! So naturally, i wanted to watch this. Been a fan of Winner since they debuted and i do love them still! but as i watch team B here and all other ikon related shows, my heart just swells with love for these precious boys. I realized i've got so much love for those boys way more than i do to winner. Don't judge, i just love😍😂