Thanks for watching everyone! Smash DLC has been a pretty incredible journey, this was a really fun opportunity to do some retrospection on of gaming's longest-running hype trains and part of what allows me to do this as a job. I tried to apply at least a bit of an "objective" approach to this list, but who are we kidding, that was never really how things were going to work. Let me know what your list would look like, and the most important thing: have fun! That's a lie. The most important thing is that you don't tell me to play Xenoblade. I am not going to play Xenoblade. -Main channel: kzfaq.info -Twitter: twitter.com/MrMockRock -Twitch: www.twitch.tv/mockrocktwitch -Patreon: www.patreon.com/mockrock -Teespring: teespring.com/stores/mockrock
@ignis52032 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, I would have placed Sora in A tier. I don’t deny that he’s a cool character, and a character who deserved a spot as DLC, but i think the slot placement is what kills it a bit for me. Because this was the final DLC character, Nintendo hyped it up a lot, and then we get a reveal for a character that many people have kind of been expecting… it just doesn’t have the same impact. I personally would have thought they would go with someone completely out of left field; for example, if they had revealed Waluigi, Sakurai would have broken one of Smash’s most longstanding fan rules and, by extension, the internet. Even still, Sora’s reveal was really cool, but it just doesn’t have the same impact it does to me. I’d rather see Sora as either the final character of FP1 or replace Min-Min with him and leave the final DLC slot for someone else. One other note, i’m still miffed that they didn’t give Doomguy a music track
@lemonlime89492 жыл бұрын
@@ignis5203 I don’t think people were expecting him because of Disney tbh
@Technoblast6492 жыл бұрын
@@ignis5203 I don't know what you want. Sora was the most requested character on the Smash ballot period. It doesn't get bigger than that
@simplygarbage99512 жыл бұрын
Why is Xenoblade off-putting to you? I've never played the games before but it seems rather charming from a distance.
@ignis52032 жыл бұрын
@@lemonlime8949 maybe, but its also true that Sora was one of the most requested fighters to be put into Smash. I guess I just kind of expected him, and why I thought the reveal was less impactful for me
@zegreenemachine81602 жыл бұрын
Sephiroth’s trailer is pretty much just a bunch of Advent Children references. Maximilian Dood made a follow up to his original reaction where he just gushes over all the references. It’s great. Also, Max made his own video rating the fighter reveal trailers including Smash 4 and Ultimate’s base roster. It’s very fun.
@MockRockTalk2 жыл бұрын
I've seen those pop up (he's one of the people I was referencing in that intro disclaimer). I didn't watch any of them because I knew I was going to be making this later and didn't want my opinion influenced, but this doesn't surprise me, if there's anyone good at gushing over source material it's Max lol!
@zegreenemachine81602 жыл бұрын
@@MockRockTalk oh yeah. I think his Terry Reaction is just excellent as a reference to the history of SNK and their legacy.
@SportsGaming-ll3ru2 жыл бұрын
He gives Steve a 10/10 for breaking the internet, I think he deserved an 11/10 for having a good short and sweet trailer… and breaking the internet
@Bladieblah2 жыл бұрын
Terry reaction was toxic af, basically the epitome of what's wrong with general FGC attitude towards smash
@Gamesmarts1943 ай бұрын
@@BladieblahExplain? Like, everything?
@eternaldag2 жыл бұрын
Imagine being hired back as Kirby's voice actor, everytime a new character comes out
@snuffysam2 жыл бұрын
Apparently Kirby’s voice actor is a huge Fatal Fury fan, and she was ecstatic that she got to do Power Wave
@Gamersgoinblind2 жыл бұрын
I think they do the same thing as the announcer where they have them do more than what's in the game so not even they know who's in the game.
@santiagoherrera18532 жыл бұрын
Interesting fact, Kirby's voice actress also voices Ness in smash and Lyn in the fire emblem games
@McKayla247982 жыл бұрын
I literally don’t even like FF7 and the Sephiroth trailer gave me chills. Easy S Tier.
@TheRedCap302 жыл бұрын
Sephiroth is THE anime swordfighter
@jstar33822 жыл бұрын
@@TheRedCap30 true. Cloud comes close but man seph just has such a huge sword
@StyleshStorm2 жыл бұрын
Even FFVI enjoyeds and kefka fans were impressed and happy to see his reveal trailer, granted laced with some Venom but they'd rather have him as a rep than some random anime fighter.
@jacksonmaston232 жыл бұрын
If you loved it imagine how much I would being a FF7 Fan lol
@flaminglotus43162 жыл бұрын
Ngl. I was so shocked when I first watched it I didn’t have a pop off reaction like a lot of KZfaqrs did. I was too shocked. It genuinely felt surreal and will always be my favorite reveal 😂
@atticusv6682 жыл бұрын
Its not talked about a lot but I love the detail in Sephiroth's trailer with his fallen angel/Lucifer inspiration and him killing Galeem who's design is reminiscent of a Seraphim angel. Love that stuff.
@whalingtundra94622 жыл бұрын
His reveal is the best imo
@Sly_Maverick_312 жыл бұрын
Not to mention, both Seph's and Hero's trailer have a similar shot. A glint in the eye of a fighter who's fighting the oncoming threat (Link with Dark Marth and Dark MK in Hero's trailer and Pit with Galeem in Seph's trailer). Which also, in a way, works as a hint of the character going to be revealed.
@SoggySlopster2 жыл бұрын
Ratio
@atticusv6682 жыл бұрын
@@TrueCarthaginian Ok but your explanation is significantly less fun and cool.
@therealspeedwagon1451 Жыл бұрын
I also really like the references to Advent Children. You have to be more of a fan of the series to get them but if you are then they are an added touch. I really like how he got his wing and of course the “I will never be a memory” is the best possible reference to AC and is an added touch
@Evello372 жыл бұрын
The Corrin and Byleth trailers feel like they were intended to be in general Nintendo Directs rather than Smash events. They could actually be decent as fakeout reveals akin to Pyra and Isabelle where they pretend to be trailers for their source games. I suspect the trailers were scripted before the devs had nailed down the exact details of the order/venue for each reveal.
@kpychamp132 жыл бұрын
That could be the case and let's not forget about covid delaying everything and to be honest I feel they made the trailers before development of the character itself in-game
@brendancrowley30852 жыл бұрын
@@kpychamp13 is that really relevant towards those 2 specifically? Neither reveal would have been impacted by COVID (Byleth specifically come out before the vast majority of countries were affected by COVID measures). Overall, I’d imagine that Evello is correct. I’d say Byleth was intended to be revealed/released nearer to Three Houses, but that spot was swapped with Banjo-Kazooie for E3
@kpychamp132 жыл бұрын
@@brendancrowley3085yup what I was saying the trailers were made before the development of thr the character because byleth disappointed everyone being the last fighter pass 1 character and honestly should have been changed with banjo kazooie. Let's not forget the sans costume that released alongside banjo Which makes it more obvious Banjo should have been last
@Taktaagic2 жыл бұрын
I’m just sad that my favourite characters got such bad timings for announcements. The idea of a complete fake out is amazing, and they did that perfectly with Pyra’s trailer, and it would have worked amazingly with Corrin and Byleth’s trailer too. I guess I’m just stuck with everyone hating the franchises and chatacters I love
@nhall1292 жыл бұрын
Wait didn’t they reveal in general Nintendo Directs, then fully revealed in a Smash direct??? Specifically, Byleth was revealed around the time of the DLC right???
@ssj49222 жыл бұрын
It really makes me sad to see people in other videos ranking Terry's trailers so low, seeing all those SNK characters in their original pixel art bit designs, all chasing that smash invitation (and even dying/recreating iconic scenes while at it) before it falls dramatically to the floor. All for Terry Bogard to pick it up. Its stylish, extremely nostalgic for SNK fans, and had an amazing build up to the actual fighter. And tbh, a lot of Ultimate's reveals were amazing: Ridley's trailer was an epic escalation to a character everyone knew exactly who it was, but couldn't believe actually made it. Having Megaman and Mario _literally murdered_ just added to the already immaculate moment. Sora's trailer was the last key opening the final door to Ultimate's lifespan, giving the game and all the characters one last ride before they go. It was truly magical, especially with Simple and Clean running in the background with Sora flying in the air as if he's saying "yeah, this is real." Sephiroth's was an absolute nightmare, having debatingly the greatest buildup to any trailer by having Galeem, the boss of Ultimate that pretty much defeated the entire cast except for Kirby, being killed in _one shot,_ and all of the characters (including us the viewers) gasping, waiting in expectance to see who it was only for _one wing angel_ to start playing. The amount of Advent Children references, callbacks, and straight up frame by frame scenes with that Cloud vs Sephiroth scene (and Italian barbeque) just being perfection. And finally, Joker. While his reveal might not be the absolute favorite among most fans; I love it not just because of the character, but it was one of the only characters to not let the viewer know it was Smash until the reveal. Just having Joker running around in P5s beautiful art aesthetic, his teammates getting ready for another infiltration, only for Joker to flip the envelop to reveal a smash logo. It is simply perfection. No other reveal had that type of ambiguity because the rest were in a direct/smash presentation, meaning that people either knew it was a smash reveal no matter what (Byleth, Min-Min), or somewhat expected it (Isabel, Pyra). Joker on the other hand, was at the Game Awards, where Smash announcements never happened. Ultimate being released _the next day_ was just the cherry on top and why its number 1 for me.
@idavid83912 жыл бұрын
I'd have to agree with all of your points here. Well said.
@jokx44092 жыл бұрын
I never understood whhy everyone figured out Ridley so soon. I personally figured it out when Samus was on her own after she turned around with her arm canon faced in front of her. At that point, I figured out Samus was there for a reason, and BOOM. It all clicked. And I couldn't believe it.
@HenshinFanatic2 жыл бұрын
@@jokx4409 the area resembled that of a portion of Zebes from Super Metroid, there's no other iconic villain on the level of Ridley besides maybe Dark Samus at the time, and the way the other characters were taken out fit his personality too well.
@hammieli18752 жыл бұрын
Hey you copy pasted your comment from Maximillian Dood’s video 😆
@jokx44092 жыл бұрын
@@HenshinFanatic How does that area resemble one in super metroid? I replayed the game not even a week ago, and I don,t see it. lol. And sure, the way he attacks does scream Ridley I guess. Especially with the tail. But I wasn't a metroid fan back then, so I guess that explains it. But my "oh shit" moment really was when Samus turned around and I realized she was alone.
@lazypaladin2 жыл бұрын
Sidenote: Sepheroths reveal was just amazing to watch. Literally 8 beats...and everyone rejoiced in absolute terror!
@yogurtclosetok2 жыл бұрын
dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun
@santitheperson94162 жыл бұрын
I got it from the first, I actually felt like I was gonna melt on the spot haha
@selfloathinggameing2 жыл бұрын
@@yogurtclosetok DA da DA da DA da DA da
@brandonwilliams61192 жыл бұрын
Sephiroth shall follow Cloud everywhere he goes and Sora stepping in to scare Sephiroth.
@Stupididiot-ci5gf Жыл бұрын
I only needed 2, does help that the song was randomly stuck in my head that day.
@keksidy2 жыл бұрын
"Piranha Plant; A tier, fuck you." I died right there lmao
@edelgard44862 жыл бұрын
just from what i know, i do actually think people thought the pyra/mythra reveal trailer WAS a xenoblade 2 DLC, most likely because they had already written the series off as rex was made into a mii costume and he's the main character. then again, that could've just been me and alpharad lmao
@rotciv5572 жыл бұрын
Nah, MockRock was definitely making a bad assumption there, you just gotta look at the big reaction mashup of people seeing the Pyra/Mythra trailer to see there were many people wondering what the trailer was about and whether it was for more Xenoblade stuff, Smash or something else.
@Buglin_Burger78782 жыл бұрын
Most were expecting a Smash reveal so saying "Where is X character I can't find them." is almost a dead give away. Especially since that was some of Xenoblade's plot if I recall.
@empressfrozentoes52852 жыл бұрын
yeah I only knew it was pyra when final destination appeared, and it's not like that was the first time rex lost pyra
@mariaaguirre6730 Жыл бұрын
You, Alpharad and me
@idavid83912 жыл бұрын
I don't think anything can surpass Joker for me. I have no connection to the Persona franchise, but watching live reactions of his announcement never fails to give me a boost of dopamine.
@calista68542 жыл бұрын
Haha get it P5 fans don’t play the game
@Anomalocaris982 жыл бұрын
@@calista6854 I did
@Fidnnfu2 жыл бұрын
Watching anyone get excited over a reveal is so wholesome and makes me so happy even if I don’t give the smallest of shits about the character itself
@empty99262 жыл бұрын
Ive seen louder screams from steve, sora, and kiiiinda banjo but joker being the first dlc gives him a leg up and if we’re talking smash 4 to then cloud would also surpass joker
@dammnpeople31312 жыл бұрын
it makes me cringe so hard
@YoyIeCake2 жыл бұрын
"Piranha Plant, A Tier. F**k you." is my new favourite MockRock quote.
@Saxorlaud2 жыл бұрын
Kind of weird that you give Cloud's reveal trailer credit for "rewarding the fans' knowledge" or whatever when the Final Fantasy music starts playing right at the beginning of the trailer, but then when a puzzle piece bounces by for a couple seconds in Banjo's reveal trailer it's somehow giving it away too early.
@AshenDust_2 жыл бұрын
I think it’s because a lot of people who’ve never played banjo know what a jiggie is, but wouldn’t recognize FF music
@Bladieblah2 жыл бұрын
@@AshenDust_ There is no way you'd know what a jiggie is without playing or having watched Banjo Kazooie
@AshenDust_2 жыл бұрын
@@Bladieblah I recognized a jiggie because I’d seen gameplay of banjo, but despite seeing gameplay of ff7, the only music I would recognize before smash was the victory theme
@youtubecat38092 жыл бұрын
@@Bladieblah i knew what it was because it's just iconic tbh
@lukezane79522 жыл бұрын
I think the difference between Cloud and Banjo reveals is that FF7 is one of the biggest games of all time, and so when you play that song in the trailer, for fans it immediately begins building that hype, while for non fans they’re still in suspense for that build up. For Banjo, not only would most people in the American smash scene know who Banjo is though theJiggie alone, the fact that it goes from Jiggie to Banjo silhouette in like 5 seconds leaves like no suspense for non fans.
@sonickhable2 жыл бұрын
It's weird comparing smash 4 to ultimate in terms of dlc trailers because ultimate went all out on almost every single dlc trailer while smash 4 was working around it's limitations
@Sparkjolteon2 жыл бұрын
on Corrin, I'd also add that the game wasn't even out in the west, which gave the reveal a very blatant "oh this is advertising" vibe I also feel like I should defend Min Min's reveal some - I really like that they revealed the series ahead of time and then played with that in the trailer by making it a question of _who_ from ARMS is getting in. she's also like, very much a fan favorite, even winning the in-game popularity contest. obviously it's still a niche franchise, but I think that was about as good an announcement for an ARMS rep as it could've possibly been
@Magic_Ice2 жыл бұрын
Was the Arms thing a popularity contest? I heard it was a tournament.
@Sparkjolteon2 жыл бұрын
@@Magic_Ice It was a mix - it was a tournament format presented like several consecutive splatfests, if that makes sense. Popularity was a factor, though not necessarily the biggest one.
@Sparkjolteon2 жыл бұрын
@Lux Ignis bro i literally play fire emblem lmao get off your high horse i have absolutely no issues w corrin as a smash character. i think they're fun and even mained 'em in smash 4! and on the same vein, I think Byleth's reveal trailer is awful, but I liked the addition of Byleth itself and think the backlash on the internet's part was super overstated. obviously every smash character is advertising on some level but the issue with Corrin is, again, how blatant it was. not just because advertisement bad, but because since the game hadn't come out yet.... nobody cares about them. There's just straight-up no attachment, so their only purpose being in the game IS as an advertisement. Sure, Pythra boosted XC2's sales, but separately from that their reveal was also important for the already-existing fans of Xenoblade. There's been other characters in similar situations before, but the culture surrounding smash reveals and characters has changed massively over the years. (also people absolutely had issues with Hero in smash lmao. just not on the same level)
@Bluebatstar2 жыл бұрын
I think the thing with Min Min's reveal is that non-Arms fans don't really care, and Arms-fans already know it's Min Min from the Ramen scene. Min Min was my favourite addition in the DLC- but I wish the trailer was a little more ambiguous.
@snuffysam2 жыл бұрын
@@Sparkjolteon the thing that makes Corrin in particular so rough is not *just* that the game was unreleased in the west, but that the character themselves was a newcomer to the FE series. Yes, Hero was an advertisement for DQ11 on switch, but do you know what Hero also was? An NES character! Hero represents a decades-long JRPG legacy. A bunch of Smash characters wouldn’t even exist without DQ! Meanwhile, Corrin was just the one-off protagonist in the least popular game in an already niche series (I kinda liked Fates, but I know I’m in a minority with that view). Unique mechanic with the dragon transformations, but in terms of history there’s not much to get attached to. Unfortunately with Fire Emblem, the changing casts are just kinda how the cookie crumbles but y’know what? They really could have added Anna if they wanted another FE rep. Anna as a shopkeeper/trickster would have had unique mechanics beyond swordplay, and unlike Corrin she was near-guaranteed to still be relevant years down the line.
@iggyiggyiggy34182 жыл бұрын
I main Corrin and I really don’t enjoy his trailer and what he represented (advertising for a new FE game). However, I love how he immediately picks Smash. There's so little hesitation. It gave me the impression that he wanted to escape the plot, which I still find quite funny.
@alexanderkosten76112 жыл бұрын
Who wouldn't be desperate to escape from... wherever Fates takes place? It's pretty universally known nowadays that its writing is an utter mess.
@iggyiggyiggy34182 жыл бұрын
@@alexanderkosten7611 I actually had no idea; I don't really keep up with Fire Emblem. If anything, that makes it funnier to me. Thanks for letting me know!
@alexanderkosten76112 жыл бұрын
@@iggyiggyiggy3418 There's a reason I said "wherever Fates takes place" instead of the name of the continent... because THEY NEVER NAMED IT. This is outstandingly bad for any fantasy worldbuilding, and especially bad for a series with an established convention of referring to its subseries by the continent they're set on! I feel like that should give you an idea of just how sloppy the writing of Fates is in general.
@iggyiggyiggy34182 жыл бұрын
@@alexanderkosten7611 Wow. I write fantasy too. Even with possible time contraints, coming up with a name for a continent doesn't seem taxing. I may look into Fates a bit more.
@alexanderkosten76112 жыл бұрын
@@iggyiggyiggy3418 It is a fascinating exercise in wasted potential, to say the least. That, and bad translation work compounding an already horribly flawed script.
@misaeltejeda77682 жыл бұрын
As some one who didn't know who sephiroth was his reveal was probably my favorite
@Yoi_Kani2 жыл бұрын
Same here, the reveal just left me in shock despite not knowing who he was at the time.
@MrBulletwood2 жыл бұрын
I like how all the characters in S tier have S in their name Strife Sephiroth Steve Sora
@theperians2 жыл бұрын
Steve is the best Final Fantasy character u know
@iamcoolrthenu27102 жыл бұрын
Square made all of those minus Steve
@tiffyw922 жыл бұрын
The "S Is For Square" tier. Yes, Steve is literally square (well, cubed), so he fits.
@ssj49222 жыл бұрын
Not a dig at MockRock at all but I feel like a thing almost everyone misses when judging these Character trailers in the nost 'objective' sense are: 1) The context of when it happens; When was it revealed? What was the time period of said character? How special were they at the time compared to everyone else? Were there leaks? 2) Production levels; Was the trailer clearly on a budget? Did they tell a story with it? How many nice references and fan service were there? Was this animation good and showed an appropriate amount of different characters and interactions? Did they show gameplay or just announced the character was coming? 3) Actual Reveal Method; How did the trailer tell you it was 'X' character in Smash? Did they tell you straight up from the start it was Smash and then showed who it was (Pacman, Hero, Terry, etc)? Did they show a character/game first then built it up to a Smash reveal (Isabel, Pyra/Mythra)? And where did it take place? In a Nintendo Direct? Smash Presentation? E3? Hell, even the Game Awards? All these factors may not necessarily be worth the same, especially to people with all sorts of different priorities, but they all play a huge role in how good, impactful, and unexpected a character trailer is beyond just 'do I like character X,' 'this is CGI = 👍' and whether they are super important and iconic to gaming. It's why Joker's reveal is so incredible to me, as A) there were no signs of it being a Smash trailer besides the Rated E symbol. Although you could argue the same for Pyra, and Isabel for example, those two were in a Nintendo Direct, we _expected or at least knew_ of the potential of a new Smash reveal. And while you could say the same for the Game Awards, that's only after 2018 because Joker _started that trend_. Before him announcing a Smash fighter outside of a Nintendo held event (whether that be a Direct, E3, Smash focused livestream, or even a journalism meeting) was unheard off, and there were _no leaks for it too_. So for Joker's case and his case only, _no one saw it coming_. True, it may not had gameplay, but the audacity of its reveal that came out of practically nowhere more than nakes up for it, as Persona was a solely PlayStation series that only had spinoff on Nintendo platforms. However, unlike Cloud, Joker wasn't nearly as popular to be taken seriously or even brought up in discussions on who was next adding onto its unexpected factor. When discussing the 'next big 3rd party character Sakurai could somehow bring over,' the steadily popular - but nowhere near as mainstream as Final Fantasy - Persona series was _not_ something that was said amongst speculation. Tl;dr: Joker is the ultimate bamboozle Smash reveal due to circumstances, timing, and setting and we'll never get that kind of trailer or surprise ever again.
@derbear34032 жыл бұрын
I pretty much completely agree. I find it kinda annoying when people rating trails pretty much boil it down to "is it a character i want/like or third party?" Tjen they rate it higher with characters that are first party or ones they didn't want or like get ranked lower. Pyra and Mythra i often find as a good tell cause they are first party, they are swordfighters, they are from a series that already has a fighter and while they are from a series rising in popularity, it's still not that popular or well known compared to other series in the dlc. But their trailer is still really well made that I would put it around a B if not a low A tier. And for example mock here came to his placement of them on pretty much nothing but superficial characteristics. He wanted to put them at the bottom based on that he doesn't really like the series, doesn't like thr characters, doesn't like that they use swords. And wanted to put them in B tier solely because there are people who do like the series. None of that has anything to do with the trailer itself in how its structured.
@largemoney5222 жыл бұрын
So, basically, joker's trailer was the _last surprise???_
@jupiterbrando2 жыл бұрын
Agree one million percent. Joker also solidified Smash's status as a Kingmaker for other franchises; no longer did you have to be famous enough to be in Smash; you could be in Smash to become famous. Joker in Smash is absolutely the reason we got Strikers on Switch, for example. I'm not sure it will be as difficult to get the rights for a lot of these characters in future installments.
@patrickewulum33942 жыл бұрын
Pyras trailer underrated asf
@dinoshotgun2 жыл бұрын
@@derbear3403 then why are you watching people’s videos on rating trailers? It’s just their opinion, you don’t have to agree with it
@kicksyo21712 жыл бұрын
When the female Byleth comes out and the caption read: Byleth recruits...Byleth!? It was so confusing to me because I was like, "So, are they two separate characters? Do they talk to each other?" I didn't know and I was ultimately underwhelm. Also, I may not have wanted Steve, but that trailer still makes me happy when I watch. I can't imagine him not being in Ultimate.
@uanchovy94802 жыл бұрын
They have two separate reveal slides and captions because they have different names in Japanese. Male-Byleth is 'Bereto' and female-Byleth is 'Beresu', so there had to be two reveals to get both names in. However, in English where their names are identical, it comes out a bit oddly.
@SilverSpireZ2 жыл бұрын
As a massive Xenoblade fan, tears were shed during the Pyra/Mythra reveal! I know it’s not the most popular choice, but it meant so much to me to see them well represented in that trailer.
@MockRockTalk2 жыл бұрын
Great! That announcement was (obviously) a long way from my favourite but I know a lot of people were rooting for it, you're never going to see me upset at someone being excited by a reveal
@SilverSpireZ2 жыл бұрын
@@MockRockTalk Same here. Wasn’t huge on Sora myself, but I absolutely understand the significance of that reveal. And it makes me happy to see so many people excited for him.
@supercouchpotato96982 жыл бұрын
I feel like that trailer was definitely less enjoyable to people who were not Xenoblade fans. But considering i completed Xc2 3 days prior, and it was one of only 2 trailers i got to see blind, this trailer was so good for me personally.
@Bowcaster262 жыл бұрын
I wasn't quite in tears but I was physically shaking with excitement. The joking abuse my friends were giving me for getting another character I wanted whilst they didn't get any certainly helped
@empty99262 жыл бұрын
@@supercouchpotato9698 It was the type of trailer where i was like “cool they’re in the game :) N̸͟͞O̸͟͞W̸͟͞ W̸͟͞H̸͟͞E̸͟͞R̸͟͞E̸͟͞S̸͟͞ C̸͟͞R̸͟͞A̸͟͞S̸͟͞H̸͟͞?”
@FalcoVille2 жыл бұрын
When I saw the jiggy bouncing by in the Banjo trailer Well, some emotions were felt. That's for sure.
@dashieprodx2 жыл бұрын
I literally cried during Sora's trailer because of how beautiful it was, and I've never played Kingdom Hearts.
@ballorafuntime7567Ай бұрын
The jiggy was way too blatant and killed the hype right away.
@jude22142 жыл бұрын
I agree byleth is F tier, and I'm a fire emblem Stan. To be fair to them though, they announced the 2nd fighters pass during the Terry demo, so we did know we were getting 6 more by then
@mythoughtsexactly21452 жыл бұрын
I kinda have the feeling they announced Fighter pass 2 alongside Terry just to relieve some high expectations for the final FP1 DLC (Byleth) and the slight dissapointment from Terry (i dont dislike him but a lot of people just dont know him)
@Bluebatstar2 жыл бұрын
They announced there'd me more characters when Terry was, but I'm pretty sure they only announced how many there'd be at the end of the Byleth presentation.
@WhimsicottFanatic2 жыл бұрын
I have to wonder if the 2nd Fighters Pass was planned to be announced after the final fighter of the 1st Pass, as an essential "That's all folks!..Or is it?!" But someone in someone in Sora or Nintendo had a nagging feeling that having a Fire Emblem character, a series with notoriously bad rep in the States and _especially_ with the Smash playerbase, be even briefly perceived as the final DLC of Ultimate would've been really bad
@cheke_hs2 жыл бұрын
We didn’t know we’d be getting 6 more fighters before Byleth though, just more fighters in general
@alicon8522 жыл бұрын
Min mins trailer is so polarizing, because on one hand, the immense lack of excitement for an arms character REALLY brought it down, and having basically no build up at all kinda sucked, But it was SO PRETTY and the trailer had so many cute call backs and little touches and it was just so good
@ang17592 жыл бұрын
As someone who wanted Sephiroth since Ultimate’s reveal, holy shit I got SPOILED with that trailer. I had to rewatch it since I was too busy nearly having a heart attack. And then rewatched it thirty times holy shit I love the trailer.
@2hot4u972 жыл бұрын
I wanted sephiroth since before cloud came out…
@chessplayer66322 жыл бұрын
As someone who put tons of hours into Fire Emblem Fates and was a Corrin main for a long time, the thing that bothers me the most about it is that it was obviously treated as a “lesser” character. They were the only non-returning DLC Sm4sh character to not get a stage. They also got completely snubbed in terms of music. Even in Ultimate they only have 1 Fates song repeated like 20 times. It’s like they weren’t even trying to pretend this character wasn’t solely added to hype up Fates.
@justinnzamora53662 жыл бұрын
FR though. Fates got gypped in the music department.
@anankos7952 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. To me, it appears as though Corrin's development was rather rushed, and even if a different character like Elma from Xenoblade Chronicles X was picked they would have gotten around the same amount of content from their corresponding game as Corrin. Fire Emblem Fates itself has in my opinion some of the most unique locations and music in the Fire Emblem series, but without a stage and plenty of music from Fire Emblem Fates, Corrin just feels like they are just...there. I would argue that barring Piranha Plant Corrin was given the shortest figurative stick of all of the DLC newcomers in the Super Smash Bros. series.
@LunarWingCloud2 жыл бұрын
I think the biggest problem with Byleth's reveal is not just the trailer: the fact it was done in a Sakurai Presents made it WORSE. Because by then you KNOW it's a Smash character. Imagine they did this during a Nintendo Direct where it could have been a fake-out of Fire Emblem DLC and then boom, Smash. But instead we knew we were getting a Smash character, we knew it was the last Fighter Pass 1 fighter, and they don't build anything up.
@impossiblehanley27322 жыл бұрын
Again, it had the smash logo on the start.
@eonamiella21242 жыл бұрын
As a FE fan Byleth and Corrin's trailers are...awful. I'm fine with them being in the game even if the choice is uninspired and mainly for promotion but their trailers reuse so much stuff from their game it comes off as low effort and lazy. Those cutscenes minus the mention of Smash are lifted directly from the game, surprised you didn't mention that No CG trailer, no cool animation, bad pacing and awkward dialogue (Byleth trailer isn't even lip synced)
@JacobPDeIiNoNi2 жыл бұрын
Yep. If Corrin's and Byleth's trailers had some sort of epic cinematic showing their abilities while fighting other characters like palutena's trailer, I guarantee people would have been less upset over them.
@Buglin_Burger78782 жыл бұрын
@@JacobPDeIiNoNi People would've liked them better had they showed what made Fire Emblem unique... but aside from Robin the next best representatives for Fire Emblem are... Pichu, as when you attack the enemy you get hurt... just like counters in FE. Lucario, as when you get hurt you get to hurt them back... just like counters in FE. Min-Min, as you switch weapons which fits a weapon triangle rather well. There is so much amazing the FE reps could've done with the same characters they have in already... they could've even gave Chrom a Bow rather then make him a fusion between Ike and Marth. Or we could get iconic classes or even have a dragon rider as our first mounted character in Smash.
@Juniverse02 жыл бұрын
About our two F-Tiers: It didn’t exactly help that the first half of Byleths Trailer was pretty much directly ripped from Three Houses, without any changes and Fire Emblem Fates not even being released yet, when the Corrin-in-Smash-Trailer was shown.
@lagspike77632 жыл бұрын
That cutscene didn’t show up in any name, shape or form in 3h. There’s a moment where Solon pwns Byleth but it’s a different cutscene entirely. It’s still a shitty trailer nvl
@Juniverse02 жыл бұрын
@@lagspike7763 Really? Could have sworn he was consumed by darkness at some point in the game as well.
@shadowflame682 жыл бұрын
Byleth's trailer is hurt by literally only being enjoyable or understandable at all if you've actually played Three Houses. For me it was exciting, but it's definitely not great for reactions - especially with how long it runs as well as being another FE rep at a time when everyone was expecting DLC characters to blow them away.
@moonmelons2 жыл бұрын
@@lagspike7763 No it's taken straight from an important in-game cutscene. Just instead of obtaining the full power of God and Anime, Byleth joins Smash. Watch the two next to each other and it becomes obvious how much it's the exact same until Byleth joins Smash.
@shwoopi2 жыл бұрын
you good? Fates was released months before the Smash DLC
@uanchovy94802 жыл бұрын
Interesting list, but I think you overrate surprise? A lot of these trailers are going to be watched multiple times, both by people trying to pick them for details before the character releases and by people who just think they're cool and want to enjoy some hype. As such I wouldn't put so much emphasis on whether people will be surprised by the moment of reveal. The vast majority of times any trailer is watched, the viewer already knows who will be revealed, so while surprise factor does matter *a little bit*, I don't think it matters as much as you rate it as. Seen in this light, things like the jiggy in the Banjo trailer aren't really problems. You know it's Banjo (because you've seen it before or just because you're not watching it live), it's a cute little hint, and then the trailer plays around a bit with some jokes before finally landing on Banjo and Kazooie. I think it works. The other concern I have is that it's so hard to separate the quality of the trailer with how much you subjectively wanted the character or how you feel about it. I cheered in the first shot of the Pyra trailer because I knew it was going to be a Xenoblade 2 character and I love that game, whereas in the Sora trailer, I was just confused while they dragged it out, and then I sighed in exasperation when it was Sora, because I just don't like Kingdom Hearts. That's going to make it much harder for me to objectively compare those two trailers. MockRock seems to be in the opposite position to me - not liking Xenoblade very much but being a fan of Kingdom Hearts - so he'll have the opposite problem. Likewise personal knowledge makes a huge difference: I had no idea who Joker was before he was announced for SSBU, whereas I did know who Min Min and Terry were, and I can't imagine I'm unique. And, well, I feel like not all the trailers are trying to do the same thing? Sephiroth is all about the money shot - about building up to a single 'hype moment' when you see the character. Pyra is mimicking the style of a Xenoblade 2 cutscene - it's not remotely trying to hide the fact that it's a Xenoblade character, with the only twist being that it seemed like it might be Rex for a moment. If I try to assess both by how well they create a hype moment, is that fair? Sephiroth was trying to do that and Pyra wasn't, and I'm not sure I can rate Pyra's trailer down because it didn't fit one particular conception of what a trailer should be.
@Masterlink532 жыл бұрын
The irony is, 3 Anime Sword fighters were the most demanded characters in Smash. 4 if your Japanese. I really don’t see the issue, I only see the that the internet bending and flopping around. Simply cannot please everyone. Smash players are also only exclusively playing smash. And these guest characters are really to draw in fans of other games into smash. To recognize them as “worthy” of being in the game. P. Plant earned his way with that trailer alone. End of the day this game has characters like Ice Climbers and Game & Watch and Dr. Mario… all these characters make smash into a play your favorite character of all time. Obscure character, Biggest seller, Recent game, doesn’t matter, you can play them. A few redundant characters isn’t hurting anyone. To my understanding, Fire Emblem characters are well liked and actually see a lot of play. Fire Emblem was forever linked to Smash since Melee with the demand increasing for their original games. The only mistake they make, is to keep being DLC apparently. Unfortunately Fire Emblem Fates released after smash 4. and fire emblem 3 houses released 3 months after Smash U. And unlike other series, they dont normally have reoccurring characters.
@PaintySkies2 жыл бұрын
people like to cry over literally anything, even more if it's the popular thing to do
@Taktaagic2 жыл бұрын
People hate on Fire Emblem and swords in general for no reason. It’s really sad, in all honesty
@Buglin_Burger78782 жыл бұрын
The issue is you see the internet as one person and not multiple people with all differing opinions... but also Fire Emblem has the worst representation in Smash... with only Ganon being worse... yet FE could have some of the most diverse in Smash next to Pokemon if done well. For example, Pichu's self damage... actually makes more sense in FE given when you hit someone if they did not die they got a free hit on you in many situations. Lucario's Aura even works as it is the inverse, you got hit so now you get "free hits" but if someone kills you or shields it then you lose it all. There is so many cool mechanics... and only Robin really showed off any of them while Hero gets a command menu or even Banjo getting Wonder Wing. FE has been poorly represented as a series. Mass poor representation is what people dislike as it all blends together. Hell if I recall correctly Chrom could use a bow. They stuck with a Sword and made him a fusion of Ike and Marth. They could make the most amazing characters from a Dragon Rider with a lance and interesting disjoints... or have a character actually switch weapons proper where each one has their own benefits. (Swords are quick but weak, lances basically the tipper attacks from Marth, and Axes are your finisher.) When you take what we have next to what we could have in the same characters... it is actually disappointing despite how good FE is and that says a lot.
@Bladieblah2 жыл бұрын
If you know nothing about FE or the facts you mention, don't mention it at all, seriously. Sales of FE only went down after Marth and Roy first joined smash and FE became international. It was only after Awakening that the series got popular again due to better marketing and a change of art style (and honestly an amazing game but so was Radiant Dawn). It did it all on its own and smash had little to do with it. Ultimate released in early december 2018 and FE three houses released in early July, a 7 month difference. Off by a factor of two, why be specific when you clearly have no clue what you're talking about? And the other guy, self damage to reflect turn based combat is a super dumb analogy and makes no sense. Same for aura, the only thing similar would be vengeance but it's actually implemented in Robin's down special; it becomes much stronger the more damaged Robin is. I agree FE has more to offer but all the FE characters are still some of the best designed and fun to use characters in the game
@drjtyson2 жыл бұрын
I think the thing you’re missing with some of the reveal trailers is that within their original contexts, we didn’t know that they were smash trailers. In many cases, we thought they were trailers for their original games, so there was still a reverse level of surprise when we saw that they were coming to smash
@shwoopi2 жыл бұрын
He also ranks the trailer by how requested the character was. This was more a most popular character tier list rather than a reveal trailer list
@rouge9392 жыл бұрын
Most of the trailers have the “not gameplay footage” tagline which is a pretty obvious give away that it’s Smash
@ExaltedUriel2 жыл бұрын
That's why Byleth's trailer was so awful, and Pyra/Mythra's was actually pretty good. Byleth's trailer LITERALLY opens with the Smash Ball open, spoiling it immediately. But Pyra/Mythra's doesn't, MockRock totally dropped the ball here. A TON of people thought their reveal was another DLC at first. Using what looks like actual in-game cutscenes really helped that.
@dc_dachi2 жыл бұрын
I'm really not sure how I feel about using the argument that "Min-Min/Pyra should have been base roster" against their trailer. For one, it has nothing to do with the actual quality of the reveal, but it was also flat out impossible. If Smash Ultimate started development shortly after Smash 4, then ARMS and XC2 would have been early in development. Actually, Sakurai has made it known several times before Ult released that he wanted an ARMS rep and Rex, but it was infeasible given the development schedule. I actually dislike how much flak first-party DLC gets in general. Not every character can be a crazy 3rd party guest character, nor should they be. At it's core, Smash is a celebration of Nintendo, and Nintendo has changed a lot over the past few years. I think representing modern series like Splatoon, ARMS, and Xenoblade are not just warranted, but necessary if they want to reflect the current status of their IPs. Smash is really the only game series I've seen where these sorts of insanely high expectations are placed on character reveals.
@chrisbeach4232 жыл бұрын
Smash has kinda turned into a celebration of gaming… not just Nintendo. Even Sakurai said it himself.
@PikaPhantomVG2 жыл бұрын
My problem with the first parties in the DLC is that they came off as attempts to promote their games more. Pyra/Mythra were to a lesser extent, but because Byleth was announced alongside the final wave of Three Houses DLC and because Nintendo just kept on trying to push ARMS long after any interest in it evaporated, Byleth and Min Min felt like advertisements. What makes Min Min feel more insulting to me, though, is that there's likely no way they would have done her if Spring Man wasn't already an assist trophy regardless of what they said about "oh, everyone is the protagonist in ARMS!" If Nintendo's going to take a few DLC slots for their own characters, why not give us highly requested legacy characters like Dixie Kong, Bandana Dee, or Porky?
@Buglin_Burger78782 жыл бұрын
In the case of Min-Min she is first party and we had just got the first party Byleth... while Arms has also been dying/quiet for the most part. It feels like a last ditch attempt to save the series and draw it back to life like Smash did with Pit and Marth.
@SirNarax2 жыл бұрын
I'd argue that the character probably shouldn't have been there at all. Not only was that theme oversaturated but the Xenoblade franchise isn't at all even remotely large, popular nor a classic. Xenoblade is a very niche franchise that was already represented. Half of Ultimate's DLC characters were from JRPGs and only one of them isn't a sword fighter. The same can't really be said for Min-Min which is in a lot of the same boat as Xenoblade. But at the very least Arms is unique and not abrasive. Also Roy was a character in Smash before he appeared in a FireEmblem game so the idea of a character coming to Smash at the same time or even before the host series isn't actually that unrealistic.
@Bladieblah2 жыл бұрын
@@Buglin_Burger7878 lmao, smash didn't save Fire Emblem. Melee released in 2001 Fire Emblem sales have actually been on the decline up to the Wii iteration. It's a niche genre and the marketing wasn't great. That only changed with FE Awakening for the 3DS where they actually put in a great marketing effort and changed the art style quite a bit. And next time, if you don't know what you're talking about just shut the fuck up
@Alphard722 жыл бұрын
A lot of good points, however I feel that Byleth has to be S tier for the sheer audacity of getting the voice actor for discount Ganondorf to unironically say "So joining Smash consumes even the darkness itself".
@Zorua32 жыл бұрын
As a Three Houses fan that was the only part of the trailer I got enjoyment out of, just because Discount Ganondorf (“Solon” is his name) is supposed to be taken quite seriously at that point of the game-literally two seconds before the Smash trailer starts he rips out a girl’s heart-but he was just treated as a laughingstock in the Smash trailer between that goober line and the dropped jaw when GirlLeth flew out. And that was very funny.
@ayar22 жыл бұрын
dont forget Sothis hammering "I see, too many swordsmen are there".
@n00blord142 жыл бұрын
MockRock: Anime swordfighter burnout is at its peak Also MockRock: Sora is free S tier
@megatennepster38332 жыл бұрын
But you see, he's an anime KEYfighter!
@craftie77212 жыл бұрын
@@megatennepster3833 I suppose you could say that was a key point of his.
@TheEmperorGulcasa2 жыл бұрын
I disagree strongly that Pyra and Mythra's trailers were super obvious immediately. Basically every XC2 fan who reacted to it though it was likely DLC up until the arrival at FD. It uses the game's original engine and it starts with the atmosphere of many of XC2's own trailers. I think it did a great job of stringing fans along until the reveal. Then once it happens (if you count it as reaching FD), the pace picks up fast, so I really can't fault the pacing the way I would, say, Byleth's trailer. Also a lot of the other sword fighters the two fight in the trailer are references to enemies in XC2, and a lot of XC2 enemies wield weapons, so the result was inevitable. I can definitely see why someone totally uninvested in XC2 find the opening segment slow, but I don't think they could have done it another way while trying to preserve the reveal impact.
@Buglin_Burger78782 жыл бұрын
But wasn't the entire searching for Pyra thing an relatively early plot point in XC2? Likewise you can only say "Someone is missing" so many times when people are expecting a Smash reveal before you have to admit she is in Smash.
@TheEmperorGulcasa2 жыл бұрын
@@Buglin_Burger7878 I'm not sure I understand your point at all. XC2 does start with looking for Pyra, but in a totally different context. Rex doesn't even know who or what Pyra is, he's just roped in as a hired hand by other people. While visiting the coffin thing does echo the beginning slightly, I wouldn't say anyone watching would think it was primarily trying to ape the original opening story.
@charlottearanea75072 жыл бұрын
It's interesting to hear you talk about the tells in the trailers about specific characters and deduct points for those. Maybe I'm just not as observant, but I didn't really notice that the cave Mario crashed into was made of Minecraft blocks, so Steve was a surprise to me. Same with Pyra and FD. It just kinda looked like some weird "edge of the universe" place that I assumed was an endgame location in Xenoblade 2. That said the Banjo trailer did completely give the game away with the jiggy. If they had just not done that, then people probably would have thought it was Dixie or Funky or something and the Banjo reveal would have hit really hard.
@alexanderkosten76112 жыл бұрын
I really don't see how ANY of those 3 were obvious. I know plenty about Banjo-Kazooie, and I still couldn't tell that golden object was a Jiggy. Most of the frames it spends visible, it's facing at a ~90° angle from the camera - it's EXTREMELY easy to just not see, especially if you blinked at the wrong moment.
@ShallBePurified2 жыл бұрын
I feel like he's just making assumptions based on having hindsight. The Steve trailer was not obvious if you didn't notice the blocks. Some people definitely did, but other people missed it because they weren't looking at the corner of the screen and was just looking at Mario flying into the darkness. I didn't know it was Steve until the block got dug up and then I reacted. Conversely, I did recognize the Xenoblade 2 trailer to be for Smash right away because I saw the "not actual gameplay" footage at the bottom that a lot of people missed, so they didn't know it was for Smash.
@MaxMarriner2 жыл бұрын
I agree with basically all of this, even if I’d put Hero at A-tier for that goddamn incredible trailer.
@JB_CY2 жыл бұрын
Sephiroth is the best imo
@bblbadbunny2 жыл бұрын
No questions asked.
@PokePhan2 жыл бұрын
Jokers was the best, and uh, clearly no bias
@highlandave85072 жыл бұрын
Does everyone forget Joker's gameplay trailer?
@BrandDude242 жыл бұрын
As a Xenoblade fan, the Pyra and Mythra reveal was done very well in my opinion. At first I was very excited because I thought it would be DLC or a sequel. But after seeing FD, you knew what it was. Honestly I was expecting Rex with Pyra and Mythra to become DLC so it wasn’t a huge surprise but still a welcome entry.
@Hi-fd4cw2 жыл бұрын
The dialogue was extremely cringe
@juanrodriguez99712 жыл бұрын
Also, it made me happy to know XC2 content wouldn't be rejected anymore, remember how at the reveal of the first fighter pass they gave us Rex as a plus saying he couldn't make it because his game was too new (which makes no sense considering who made it in on that same fighter pass) and after that last reveal I wasnt like yeah another chance but like "Oh yeah, another fighter pass, maybe they will just throw another FE protagonist instead of Rex+Blades, why not? Maybe even months before its game release"
@juanrodriguez99712 жыл бұрын
@@Hi-fd4cw fits the game.
@Hi-fd4cw2 жыл бұрын
@@juanrodriguez9971 Fitting the game doesn’t make it any better, the line delivery and dialogue are middle-school English level at best
@juanrodriguez99712 жыл бұрын
@@Hi-fd4cw I said that as a joke, as that moment in the Cars movie when the people say "the street looks horrible" "combines with the people"
@ashketchup73542 жыл бұрын
14:12 Actually right after Terry was revealed, it was also revealed that there would be a Fighters Pass 2
@blubboiii77062 жыл бұрын
All they said at the time was that there would be more DLC after Fighters Pass 1. No mention of how many characters or even the existence of another Fighters Pass came until the end of Sakurai's Byleth presentation
@xHongxKongxHK2 жыл бұрын
@@blubboiii7706 that… doesn’t defeat the point though? Even if there was only 5 fighters, we still knew there would be more fighters coming which is the point that was made.
@cheke_hs2 жыл бұрын
@@xHongxKongxHK No, the dude literally mentioned “Fighters Pass 2”, which we didn’t know about at the time
@xHongxKongxHK2 жыл бұрын
@@cheke_hs But his point still remains.
@Magic_Ice2 жыл бұрын
For the Pyra/Mythra one, I saw a lot of people think it was Xenoblade 2 DLC (which makes no sense since the devs said they were done with DLC in 2018) or a spin off.
@gormottigrebel99782 жыл бұрын
It’s also obvious immediately that it isn’t a sequel for numerous reasons that you would have picked up on if you played the game.
@SonicMaster2112 жыл бұрын
@@gormottigrebel9978 Are you referring to these three things? 1. Rex having the Core crystal in his chest. 2. The emperor having Aegaeon. 3. Pandy's glasses were foggy, despite in chapter 7 they unfogged. I never caught on to ANY of these hints until after I watched the Direct that day. I know the core crystal was a deadest giveaway, but I still thought it was a sequel because I never saw gramps and didn't noticed it. With the other two reasons, Pandy face wasn't on the screen for long to noticed the fog and as for Aegaeon... He isn't relevant after he returns to his core (and you equip him to Morag) and isn't in any cutscenes after so it is hard to remember the emperor even died (even though I use him on Morag).Two of the 3 aren't that recognizable to remember the plot points in a instant, and the one that is... Just not a lot of people noticed as they fall into the hype, plus, while it is on screen, there is no focus on it but just his face/reactions.
@SonicMaster2112 жыл бұрын
After Future Connected, people might have fallen to think that the possibility for more DLC for XC2 was possible, and, again, at the moment who is going to remember a interview a few years back during a trailer.
@gormottigrebel99782 жыл бұрын
SonicMaster211 the most obvious thing is that well…the cloud sea still exists
@SonicMaster2112 жыл бұрын
@@gormottigrebel9978 Oh... I forgot about that part honestly. Although that is another good catch though.
@byronvonedmund2 жыл бұрын
It's pain to be a Fire emblem fan nowadays... Especially since I became one thanks to Smash and Sakurai Ps. Corrin is a victim of Fates' awful writing, and Byleth just ended up at the wrong place and at the wrong time
@CyclonSilver2 жыл бұрын
Well, it definitely is to be both a fan of Smash and FE. I'd say the franchise itself is in a pretty good place at the moment, though.
@roosterboots46842 жыл бұрын
Is it a pain? Regular game releases, DLC, spin offs, a successful mobile game, massive smash representation, a special edition re-release of the original game for the 25th anniversary, cross overs. If you guys are suffering, it's from success so count your blessings
@CyclonSilver2 жыл бұрын
@@roosterboots4684 While I agree that we really have zero business complaining, I will say that the Smash representation is not exactly something most of us wanted(fighting and strategy games don't have too much in common and all), in the sense that on top of debatable picks, it made many people truly hateful of the series, and by proxy, us. There's this notion that we should be grateful for it by default, but it's not always easy to feel that way. I'm not saying this to make people cry, just... clearing misunderstandings, I suppose.
@roosterboots46842 жыл бұрын
@@CyclonSilver Yeah I've heard this before, non FE fans are annoyed that a niche series is so overrepresented, while FE fans are mad that their series is so poorly represented. Somehow everyone loses
@anankos7952 жыл бұрын
@@roosterboots4684 I suppose the arguable best thing to do for everyone is just enjoy what's there and take some time off from social media sites that allow negative comments and discussions to flourish.
@skyshoesmith60982 жыл бұрын
"Yep, that discord notification was me, I choose to reveal that now" Oh I forgot to like the video! Thanks for reminding me
@ashercandell37882 жыл бұрын
Personally my favorite part of the Sephiroth reveal is the music. One-Winged Angel starts playing even before we see Cloud’s reaction, and it was awesome seeing how many people recognized the song and started popping off.
@Magic_Ice2 жыл бұрын
What makes the Byleth trailer worse is that the opening part is just ripped from Three Houses. Plus it makes one of the best moments of the game very weird watching back.
@dylanr.77602 жыл бұрын
Honestly I think plant is my favorite. It’s just so stupid it’s beautiful. It was alsp good because there wasn’t any leaks for him (besides one no one believed) and everyone was left in confusion
@lukedetering44902 жыл бұрын
Sora's trailer was such a good misdirection that I legitimately thought it was master hand at some point. I thought this because the characters turned into trophies and mario put his gloves (which look like Master Hand) in the fire.
@Eichro2 жыл бұрын
I was hoping my wild guess at Master Core would become true. I mean I love that they got Sora in but still, Smash itself deserved its own rep.
@cryguy00002 жыл бұрын
How the heck would they make Master Hand playable without throwing the game out of wack
@CyclonSilver2 жыл бұрын
I'm not necessarily against Sephiroth being S-tier by my own criteria, but by yours, it feels like things like sword fighter overdose and franchise representation(specifically second character from FFVII when there's so much more to the FF series) should matter more somehow. Either way, clearly you care about the reveal a lot, and there's no denying this was one of the very best in that regard. Hero at B though did trigger me a little, as I feel that it's widely underappreciated and I really don't get why... I don't think it's about being japanese or not, the production quality is among the highest(honestly I think only the Belmonts top it), the pacing is great, the second reveal is clearly amazing fanservice, it concludes on the final smash which is also a great reveal... The thing is just fantastic. I truly don't get it.
@thinkublu2 жыл бұрын
The thing with Terry is that it resulted in so many people having a newfound love for the character
@simnm80572 жыл бұрын
I feel like most people didnt think it was steve when mario crashed into the cave (including me)because blocks seem extremely general and can work in context with a lot of characters
@alexanderkosten76112 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Me personally, I had Nier Automata on my mind, and somehow thought those blocks were from the Copied City.
@skyebulb64372 жыл бұрын
I know this comment it real old but I think that the reason a lot of people knew it was Steve instantly was because of the particle effects, not the blocks. If you play Minecraft the combination of blocks with distinctly Minecraft particles made it pretty clear.
@cellanj2 жыл бұрын
Byleth rocks as a character and is a great inclusion but God damn that trailer was a slow burn and would have been better if it were in a general direct, maybe as a fake out for the 3h story DLC that was coming out around the same time. byleth also should have had a yuri alt and had some cindered shadows music like god damn how did they not do that
@SSM24_2 жыл бұрын
Yeah the trailer would have absolutely made more sense as a fakeout for actual Fire Emblem content like Pyra's was, though even considering that it still felt very poorly paced and presented overall to me.
@cellanj2 жыл бұрын
@@SSM24_ yeah it was a slow burn but without the huge payoff of sora and kinda pyra/mythra, since you know its byleth from the very beginning
@chrisbeach4232 жыл бұрын
14:12 they announced after Terry that there would be another fighters pass, probably because they knew Byleth was the last character. So they started the damage control immediately after Terry’s reveal.
@Buglin_Burger78782 жыл бұрын
That isn't damage control though then, if you put a bandage on before you get cut... then the bandage just gets cut with you and to put another on means you must remove the old one.
@runkstrunks2 жыл бұрын
Love the tier list but I do feel like even if you're not Japanese you explain the hype between Hero and Banjo in the east and west. They should've been in the same tier either A or B. Kinda biased to put Banjo above but from your neck of the woods perspective it does make sense.
@Zorua32 жыл бұрын
Especially since Dragon Quest is literally hundreds of times more popular in Japan than Banjo is in the West.
@selfloathinggameing2 жыл бұрын
I think the "the next smash character will be from arms" was just they had to delay development because of corona
@PeriGreen7762 жыл бұрын
14:00 Alternate universe where the byleth reveal trailer was actually edelgarde
@TFalconwing2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I think it should have been Edelgard. I don't disagree that Byleth is a good pick, but literally nothing in 3H happens without Edelgard. She's the defining character of the whole story and carries a lot of personality. I'm sure a moveset would have been tougher for her, but I think that's said about a lot of characters. At the very least being an axe wielder means that she'd play differently than any of the other characters
@MarshallXeno2 жыл бұрын
@@TFalconwing Edelgard is the villain in 3/4 endings. Either Byleth or Dimitri kills her. The other ending Edelgard kills Dimitri.
@TFalconwing2 жыл бұрын
@@MarshallXeno ok... and that refutes my point how?
@MarshallXeno2 жыл бұрын
@@TFalconwing That having her as a reveal could make sense if they wanted an antagonist.
@Gen64772 жыл бұрын
Jokers announcement was hype af. Your watching the trailer thinking its going to be a persona announcement. Then he pulls out the smash invitation out of no where and It made people go. "HUH!? WHAT!? SMASH!?". I think that alone should deserve some bonus points
@IsabellaCV2 жыл бұрын
12:04 I know that Fatal Fury is forgotten in USA, but it is important in LatAm, even facing Street Fighters. They gave some pleasure to eveybody with the DLCs.
@natelecarde9622 жыл бұрын
Thanks for setting off a nostalgia bomb for me with that animorphs style thumbnail
@justingraton172 жыл бұрын
I think I liked the Byleth trailer way more than most people because despite the fact that there was little to no suspense, the trailer had me high on spite after years of "too many anime swordsman" jokes and then we proceeded to get 3 more in the 2nd dlc lmao
@SheepyFields2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I’ll admit that the fact Nintendo made it immediately obvious it was fire emblem yet again was pretty hilarious. “you wanted a new series represented in smash? fuck you. Fire emblem.”
@monkeykingw2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I'd disagree with "Everyone knew it was going to be a Smash trailer" for Pyra. At least for me, I was super into the build up. Honestly I was expecting it to be a DLC or even Xenoblade 2-2. And heck, it wasn't until you mentioned it that I noticed she was on Final Destination. It honestly looked like it fit right into the game's setting.
@MadameMimic2 жыл бұрын
Terry’s announcement is probably my favorite because before smash, I had never even HEARD of KoF, but when Terry got the envelope I was freaking out. He just looked so cool! It made me hyped for a character that I didn’t know existed before.
@MrBda2412 жыл бұрын
For Me, Banjo Kazooie was my Sora reveal. I loved the series as a kid, hell had Rare stayed with Nintendo during the Gamecube era, we probably would have had them in Smash by then. I freaked out when they finally were announced for Smash, I made sure to get their amiibo as well too.
@potatothegreat84642 жыл бұрын
Isn't Tekken 7 one of the biggest fighting game success stories of the last generation? I think you were underestimating the popularity and influence of the series a tad bit because you personally were not familiar w it 😐
@ShallBePurified2 жыл бұрын
I don't think there's anything wrong with putting Min Min and Pyra/Mythra in as DLC characters. They were series where Sakurai would have liked to put characters in the base game, but couldn't because they had already finalized the roster and adding more would have added more development time for it. It made sense they added them in as DLC, since they were highly requested by fans the moment Smash Ultimate was announced. People were expecting an ARMS and Xenoblade 2 character being in there. Of course, when the DLC consists of mainly 3rd party characters, there is absolutely zero slots that could have been the ideal spot to add in a 1st party character, except the very first DLC, which was Joker (Piranha Plant doesn't count). Announcing ARMS as the first DLC of the 2nd pack and having Pyra/Mythra right in the middle instead of the very end is better than what they did with Byleth. Even if they aren't juggernaut characters, they were characters Nintendo fans wanted. Byleth, I would agree, was pointless. He's only in it to promote Fire Emblem Three Houses.
@user-bl8cd2xd4g2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for explaining it instead of me
@DJ_Pyrodox3 ай бұрын
TBH, this video feels more like a "How much Impact/How much did people like the character revealed" rather than an actual Trailer Tierlist
@AldenBunagCDAD2 жыл бұрын
Pretty much agreed with everything but with Pyra, yes from the outside it was obvious, but as a MASSIVE Xenoblade fan, I was hyped for more content so the idea that it was a Smash reveal completely flew over my head. But yeah, that Sora reveal, literally everything about it was sheer perfection.
@jacobcollins88912 жыл бұрын
I glad you liked the piranha plant trailer too, I've also enjoyed the "random" fighter picks for each game it's personality still my favorite DLC character. Though I'm still the only person out of the people I talked to that was ecstatic for his reveal.
@ellie82722 жыл бұрын
Crazy to me how different our perspectives are. Plant is the freest F tier imaginable. Disappointing reveal, a joke that gets old in two days, a character nobody plays or thinks about. If you're gonna do a joke character, never do it like this. The most money Nintendo's ever spent on a bad joke
@Moss_Dude2 жыл бұрын
When I saw Steve's trailer, I first noticed the blocks Mario fell through, but quickly dismissed it as some odd architecture. Then I saw the endermen and spider eyes in the background, but I was in complete denial that _HE_ could possibly be here. Then a perfect square opened up in the wall with that sound effect I could never forget, and I popped off harder than I had in any trailer ever. I may not play minecraft as much as I used to, but it was a massive part of my life and I thought it was completely impossible for Steve to get in even after the other surprises.
@legojangofett10882 жыл бұрын
I love the shift of Terry. He went from a “Who’s that?” to one of the most hype characters
@lazypaladin2 жыл бұрын
Minecraft Steves Announcement was the beautiful moment when everyone realised: *Literally ANYONE can be announced for this game!*
@ieatcereal4dinner4892 жыл бұрын
Actually, I think that was Piranha Plant.
@RECTANGLE3392 жыл бұрын
I feel like the Kazuya trailer has the same feeling of the Cloud reveal. The moment I saw Ganondorf being carried like that, I gasped because it was instantly apparent. And, admittedly, both have the same kind of “shame” in someone when I watch a reaction that doesn’t instantly get it.
@jamesrosengrant86752 жыл бұрын
Sora is 100% my S++ tier. Revisting the smash flame from the announcement trailer, the hold-your-breath suspension as the fire went out, the slow and power keyblade reveal and then the main kh theme drop as sora enters. And the absolute best part of all of it for me was mario shaking sora's hand. Having the literal video game icon that is mario shake sora's hand as an equal made me feel so much validation for my love of the kh franchise over the past 20 years since the first one dropped.
@Jake76667 Жыл бұрын
fun fact: there was DLC characters planned for super smash bros brawl but because of the wii’s limited online features, it was scrapped
@doctorbielen2 жыл бұрын
In defense to Byleth’s trailer, we knew that there was going to be more DLC after Terry’s presentation (not sure if they said that during the reveal too, but for sure it was announced before Byleth). Additionally, female Byleth wasn’t the big twist reveal, but the other weapons were (and during that same presentation, it was explained how the weapons would work, though not the properties of them). Not gonna say that Byleth’s reveal was great, but to say it’s the worst when also looking at smash 4 DLC feels a bit too harsh (imo at least).
@impossiblehanley27322 жыл бұрын
Byleth's trailer practically did NOTHING for its whole duration. The only actual thing revealed was the weapons, but was that really something?
@doctorbielen2 жыл бұрын
It wasn't much, but it was something. Think the same arguement could be made about Min Min, Banjo, and any other fighter that didn't have some crazy additional gimmick. This is of course not counting the fact that the Smash 4 ones were just...so bland. Like outside of Cloud, those were very underwhelming in comparison (and even then, is it the trailer or just the fact that Cloud from FF was added...which could also tie into every other trailer. If you liked the character or wanted them in badly, you were likely more excited/have better opinions on it).
@Flyingoceans2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for including piranha plant some people don’t even consider plant dlc
@JayoticMTG2 жыл бұрын
You obviously have every right to your opinion, but I actually like when the tease the character beforehand. Trailers like K Rool’s, Banjo’s and Steve’s can be even more hype because you get the excitement of both the realization and the actual reveal.
@BthIX2 жыл бұрын
I think you real underestimated the banjo trailer. The Jiggy only gives away as much as the music in Cloud's trailer, and it goes by so fast even some Banjo fans might not have caught it or fully understood what it was. The trailer itself was definitely top tier conceptually by calling back to K. Rool'd but having Duck Hunt be the fake-out character, which is a lot more fitting than Dedede given his legacy as an annoying troll. Plus the trailer starts off as a misdirect making you think it'll be another villain or another DK character
@thatguystandingbehindyou0_02 жыл бұрын
"being self aware is not the same thing as actually changing" - MockRock 2021
@toamatoro5702 жыл бұрын
I didn't put a whole lot of time into Xenoblade Chronicles 2 (I don't even think I met Mythra) but I think Pyra in Smash gets too much hate. I can't think of an actual reason she was a bad inclusion other than just...not being what some people wanted. I don't care if she's "another anime swordfighter", whatever that's supposed to mean these days. Her concept is unique, her attacks are fun and flashy, she's not Marth #5, and she's just a plain likeable character.
@Buglin_Burger78782 жыл бұрын
Her concept isn't that unique, Zelda and Sheik did it better... Pokemon Trainer did it better. Switch to completely different movesets that are VASTLY different. She is very much the embodiment of the issues people had with Fire Emblem and taking only the main character to represent it and leaving it at that. (Chrom can use Bows but... is a fused Ike and Marth?) So in XC2 you can now have ANY character represent it, from all the unique personalities aside from Rex as he is a costume... ...yet it feels like we got Rex. Where he'd switch between Pyra/Mythra to get their support and altering his specials. We were in a situation where we could've gotten ANYTHING that made XC2 unique not just the central protagonist. We got the central protagonist still.
@skylandersfan69542 жыл бұрын
@@Buglin_Burger7878 Pyra and Mythra are very much their own characters
@Square_Rabbit2 жыл бұрын
I think the worst thing a smash trailer can do is be entirely constrained to that character's universe. Just compare Robin's announcement and Byleth's - the fight between Falcon and Lucina is super cool to watch, but Byleth's trailer is just Byleth, Sothis, and some old guy who I assume is also from Three Houses. The appeal of smash to me is the crossover aspect of it, so that being entirely ignored in the CG segments just feels super lame to me.
@antoniosantosgarcia7652 жыл бұрын
MockRock: "Piranha plant, A tier, f*ck you" Me: YES
@FFKonoko2 жыл бұрын
Alright I'm pretty early on but...talking about fire emblem character burn out? Mentioning how good a final smashes reference is? Seems more like ranking characters, and how you feel about them, not the actual trailers quality. Like yeah, corrins is long and of less interest for people that don't care about the character and people that know, know immediately. But "I immediately know this character" is true for many other characters like cloud and Terry too, but doesn't actually say much about the respective qualities of the trailers, which are very different. It was even praised for clouds. One could say that corrins is too slow paced and doesn't actually show off/introduce the character in a way to build interest for the ones that haven't played the game? But then there is all those complaints when they do show a character early, so.... 🤔 I'm left unsure what kind of trailer for corrin they would have ranked highly.
@krimson83172 жыл бұрын
Part of ranking the trailers depends on what you think of the character. If they are a dull addition, it'll damage the quality of the trailer whereas if they're hype it'll make the trailer significantly better. References to them like with the final smash, are just the cherry on top. They're still very important when talking about the trailer .
@Buglin_Burger78782 жыл бұрын
Okay well... lets talk about then how Fire Emblem, a series known for recycling content in Smash... recycled much of trailer for Byleth's if what FE fans say is true. It is almost like FE has been getting poor representation and you wouldn't know it is a tactical game but think it is some 1v1 sword fighting anime game. FE has been treated poorly by how it was given additions, Chrom doesn't use a bow like he could... he is just a fusion of Ike and Marth.
@triwolfdelta7372 жыл бұрын
Im gonna add another point to steve for why he deserves to be in s. He literally broke Twitter for a second with how many people were trying to get on Twitter to talk about him. If that dosnt show how much hype or just sheer shock and aww then I dont know what would
@_splink_2 жыл бұрын
I like how the 3 characters that actually know eachother in a different canon (Sora, Cloud, and Sephiroth) are all S Tier and then Steve is also there. Lol.
@quippy2 жыл бұрын
"Piranha Plant A Tier fuck you" is my favorite thing he's ever said actually.
@TFalconwing2 жыл бұрын
By the time you got to Hero I felt like this really needed an additional row. I don't think Roy and Ryu's trailers really should have been on the same level as Hero's fantastic presentation. Even if we agree that all three of them were leaked (and it's debatable with Hero since everyone thought it was just Erdrick) the overall quality of the reveal is well beyond what Roy and Ryu had
@ariwl12 жыл бұрын
Finally some Piranha Plant respect. That trailer was as fun as you could reasonably expect one for that character to be. And every fighting game needs a WTF?! character. Now for Byleth. On a personal level Byleth is my favorite DLC character and the only one I've played consistently since release besides Hero. I maintain that when the next generation of Smash finally comes and the roster is inevitably pruned that Byleth deserves a spot over most of the othe Fire Emblem characters since 1.) Their game is now the most successful one in the series and 2.) Their playstyle is unique and completely unlike the rest of the FE picks. But yes their reveal was lame. Just a Corrin 2.0. If you've played the game or are reasonably up on Nintendo current releases you know who it is one second in. If you're not, there's no tension because you know you're looking at the character but you'll never have a solid idea who they are through the whole thing. The trailer recycling in-game footage certainly doesn't help. Also there's the timing aspect. Byleth being announced at the end of the first fighter pack gave it some unintentional weight. I think Byleth would have been better received being announced in the spot Hero was. Some people would have still been salty but the later Banjo reveal would have pulled most of them past that. I love Byleth and hope they stay for future Smashes, but that reveal smudge is going to linger for some people for a good long while.
@Buglin_Burger78782 жыл бұрын
I'd say Robin is far more unique then Byleth as Byleth fits in with the "My attacks are all just different hitboxes around me." style of FE reps. I'd say even Corrin is more unique then Byleth having some very unique interactions with their attacks.
@phil21602 жыл бұрын
I feel like Hero's reveal should still have been in A tier, yes it was better received in Japan, but I don't think it's a reason to bump it down to B tier
@spaghettiwarrior15732 жыл бұрын
Pyra and Mythra was actually my favorite reveal. I'm never actually played Zeno Blade, but I knew enough about Rex maybe being in smash to know what was going on. Its my favorite for the sole reason I saw it live, not spoiled immediately by the thumbnail of a KZfaq video. I saw it on my phone, in a fast food drivethru. Legendary.
@jordanthejq122 жыл бұрын
6:00 Interesting thing about Bayo's popularity: She topped the Smash 4 Fighter Ballot according to Sakurai's definition of "negotiable and realizable characters" at the time, and finished in the top five overall and in first place among European voters. Maybe there were three other characters ahead of her who were also logistical nightmares for Sakurai. Either way, I personally would consider that worthy of being the final sendoff for Smash 4. Also, Min Min: Personal request from ARMS director Kosuke Yabuki. Pythra: IIRC the plan was to include an ARMS rep and a Xenoblade 2 rep in the base game but the team just ran out of time. I wonder if those two would be received better if they'd come in back-to-back in the middle of the Pass (say, second and third). Though the process of getting Sepiroth (and maybe also Steve) might have taken awhile.
@HenshinFanatic2 жыл бұрын
Well we know the numero uno was Sora, what could have been the others? Jak, Sly Cooper, or Ratchet due to Sony not playing nice with other companies because of their hubris, maybe a Tales of Phantasia character like Cress Alvein, though no idea who else might have been difficult in terms of securing permission.
@AkaiAzul2 жыл бұрын
@@HenshinFanatic Was Persona V a thing back then? It's been so long.
@HenshinFanatic2 жыл бұрын
@@AkaiAzul when, during the ballot, or the game awards that had joker reveal?
@AkaiAzul2 жыл бұрын
@@HenshinFanatic During the ballot.
@HenshinFanatic2 жыл бұрын
@@AkaiAzul the ballot was the year before Persona 5 launched. Ballot was in 2015, Persona 5 released 2016.
@RacingSnails642 жыл бұрын
Firstly, Min Min is actually THE most popular Arms character. She won a fan-favorite poll before her reveal, so to see her being the Arms rep was kinda sweet. Just a stylish and hype trailer overall. Love the music. Secondly, as a non-Fire Emblem fan who LOVES playing Byleth, I don't take too much issue with their trailer honestly. I agree it's slow-paced and plays its hand waaay too early, but I enjoyed the music and Sothis' sass. Their final smash isn't terrible either tbh, but as a non-fan I wouldn't know what better choice there would have been instead of Sothis. Lastly, same goes for Pyra/Mythra. Love playing them despite having no familiarity with Xenoblade. I liked the music and glimpse into their world and the performances. I did recognize they were on Final Destination, but the concentrated excitement of the last half of the trailer overshadows any flaws of it for me. Pyra/Mythra feel very unique for an anime swordfighter! Arguably moreso than Sephiroth who feels a lot like Byleth!
@Sacred_Sword2 жыл бұрын
*"Min Mins reveal had a styling and hype trailer overall"* Wow. Nice Lose All Credibility speedrun any% World Record
@Rusty_Spy2 жыл бұрын
You definitely don't give Pyra's trailer enough credit. It's done in the style of the original games in-engine cutscenes and is written like an extension of the games story which itself obscures what it's actually about, since it could've just as easily been some type of dlc for Xenoblade. It's only "obviously" a smash trailer if you don't care about XBC2 and were expecting a new smash trailer at any and every Nintendo direct
@DrPumpkinz2 жыл бұрын
A little detail that I find very funny about Sephiroth's trailer: after the splash screen, it _slooowly_ zooms out until his entire sword is in frame. The trailer and character are overall both very serious, but I appreciate the little visual gag "this sword is comically long"
@MsDarkz1232 жыл бұрын
I disagree with a loooot of your opinions here, like for example Hero there but then Cloud so up. The Byleth thing that you mention about him morphing to the female alt is funnier in japanese Sothis straights up doubts on his virility and he kinda gives her the point by turning female. Though I guess if you see the english dialogue as a mock up to these kind of fans that just wants more "female representation" just for the sake of it it can also work as a funny interaction.
@UmbraStarWolf2 жыл бұрын
Mewtwo along with Ridley were my most wanted character for smash 4 so an S tier for me I had assumed Wolf would come back
@fyra_cat21192 жыл бұрын
I guarantee the mickey mouse keychain on the keyblade costed more to get into smash than Sora himself
@austincable43672 жыл бұрын
“I don’t like how Pyra/Mythra are designed”, listen I don’t either, but it doesn’t mean the games aren’t great. I bet you’d like them, Mock, especially the first one