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Modern MX Four Strokes are HURTING Dirtbiking.

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Modern MX Four Strokes are HURTING Dirtbiking.
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@davebrunette6394
@davebrunette6394 Ай бұрын
In the 80's and 90's I worked a full time job and could afford my 2 strokes and I could easily maintain and repair them myself. It seems to me 4 strokes have made it all but impossible for a lot of people to race, and that is a shame!
@mxgryan
@mxgryan Ай бұрын
I absolutely agree
@DarkTideOffroad
@DarkTideOffroad Ай бұрын
nah bruh. i just helped a buddy buy a 2022 350 xcf with 120 hrs on it for 4k flat. Once you have the necessary tools and know-how and your mfkn manual... You can maintain and race a 4stroke relatively affordably. Yeah if you dont take air filter and oil changes seirously, you're gonna get fked.
@charlesholden325
@charlesholden325 Ай бұрын
KDX 200 or XR 400 where great bikes, both got the ax. Maybe the bike companies need to go back to these bike, with better suspension. I would buy either one right now
@mxgryan
@mxgryan Ай бұрын
The KLX300R is fantastic man
@jamesadams2334
@jamesadams2334 Ай бұрын
The big "rage" right now is adventure bikes but again, there are so many electronics to keep them "current" that they are cost prohibitive to most new buyers. Also, the ages of the people buying are also climbing and the 70-year-olds still riding are looking for lighter, lower, smaller bikes that they don't have to struggle to ride. My current "adventure" bike is a 1973 Honda SL350 with a few mods that I wanted but none of them are electric. It's air cooled, drum brake, low seat height and almost 67 lbs lighter than the 300 Versys. It is not cutting edge, but it is easy to ride, will take me anywhere that a $30,000 BMW or KTM will take me, with normal maintenance, it will last forever, but most important it is fun to ride. If Honda re-introduced this model, without modern tech and a low-price tag, they would sell millions.
@mxgryan
@mxgryan Ай бұрын
@@jamesadams2334 I'm with you on this...well except for the drum brakes. :)
@leanlifter1
@leanlifter1 Ай бұрын
​@@mxgryanNothing wrong with drum brakes as they are great at sealing out the elements. Muddy wet disk brakes don't work very well but drum brakes always work.
@mxgryan
@mxgryan Ай бұрын
@@leanlifter1 hasn't been my experience at all.
@woodman4989
@woodman4989 Ай бұрын
The 250F started the decline in my opinion. A family moves from the 85 class to 250 C and the bike blows up and they are done due to the price to rebuild. I know that half the manufactures still make some form of 125, it's not completive in the D or C classes unless they are super talented. It's becoming a rich mans sport and that's disheartening. The 450's are much more durable, but most people shouldn't be on one. In the 70's and 80's any family could get involved with the sport. Not so much anymore.
@mxgryan
@mxgryan Ай бұрын
I absolutely agree. I remember my little brother racing a KX100 and KX250f in the same day at Steel City...and the 250F was just as unreliable lol.
@bdp-racing
@bdp-racing Ай бұрын
My neighbor bought a 2022 KX250 and blew that up then bought a 2023 CRF 250 and blew that one up. Both sitting in his garage collecting dust while he rides his old 1998 CR250
@coloradodirtbike5930
@coloradodirtbike5930 Ай бұрын
​@@bdp-racing nice products 👌
@christopherevans4978
@christopherevans4978 Ай бұрын
I ride a 150sx and it is pretty close to a 250f and could be as powerful with mods
@someoneyouknow96
@someoneyouknow96 Ай бұрын
I ride 4 strokes but even i can see how they suck ass. The cost being the biggest factor. Hell the 2 strokes are getting up there in cost too, What irritates me is we have these fancy ass dirtbikes that 97% of the polulation cant ride near its potential and the manufacturers are still pumping in BS technology into them. We dont need a fucking app for our bikes. We dont need launch control from the factory. And the bikes are heavier than they were 20years ao. All this tech, all these changes and the bikes arent even lighter. Hell my 04 rides better then my 22. Thats no joke!
@jamesadams2334
@jamesadams2334 Ай бұрын
In 1975 Bultaco dirt / trials / race bikes were not complicated, no fancy electrics, no radical intakes, no electric staters and air cooled and a 360 Pursang motocross bike stock was 206 lbs. We have NOT progressed. When I was 20 years old, EVERYBODY raced dirt bikes, the majority in my area being motocross. I had at least 50 friends and family race motocross and off road. Today the bikes are too complicated, too heavy, and above all, too expensive. Today I have 3 friends and family racing. I do Believe that the modern 4 stroke Dirt bike is to blame. They are too expensive for kids to afford and as soon as they break, they are tossed in the shed because they are too expensive to repair. The motorcycle industry was so busy "advancing" motorcycles that they forgot that their main rider contingent was poor / middle-income, blue-collar workers and not upper-class millionaires. They have literally designed bikes that have priced themselves out of the market.
@jdc8352
@jdc8352 Ай бұрын
Mountain bikes have gotten even more stupid than moto. It's ridiculous and I don't like it. I've spent decades on both.
@volksquadman
@volksquadman Ай бұрын
Hiya. Gone back to an '89 CR250r and an '03 YZ250 because my 4t's eat too many Mx tokens to fix. Love both, 4t's & 2ts . 45 yrs of Motox & Enduro-4ts hurt my pocket today. Cheers.
@user-se7vt5ow4e
@user-se7vt5ow4e Ай бұрын
Any of the modern 2stks are fantastic bikes and much more fun to ride than a 4stroke.
@mxgryan
@mxgryan Ай бұрын
"modern" two strokes from KTM / Sherco / Beta cost 11-12k and just as expensive to work on. I agree they can be more fun though.
@bdp-racing
@bdp-racing Ай бұрын
To be fair, the KLX 300 and 230 aren’t very good bikes. We need something like a KDX 200 with good suspension. Fast enough to be content with while not weighing 300lbs+
@mxgryan
@mxgryan Ай бұрын
I haven't rode the 230, but the 300r is a fantastic machine, good enough for anyone.
@Monkeybutt_ADV
@Monkeybutt_ADV Ай бұрын
The 300R is a solid bike. I take mine on A and B rides. It's not my 300RR/200RR but it was also much less expensive. The suspension is surprisingly good and the front brake is awesome.
@dougfalstad5227
@dougfalstad5227 Ай бұрын
I wish a manufacturer would bring out a modern chassis with an air cooled engine. I don’t want complexity.
@leanit5756
@leanit5756 Ай бұрын
Hurting dirt biking? Or hurting dirt bike racing? The historic problem with 2-strokes is they tended to be so f'g loud as delivered that they got riding habitat closed down. That is the worst thing for dirt biking. Unmodified bikes like XRs, KLXs, TTs, etc not so much. Back in the 80s or thereabouts, the Four Stroke Nationals brought a lot of excitement to racing where 2 strokes had become a bit boring by comparison. I started riding MX 2 strokes in the 70s. Today my "dirt bike" is a KLX300. I think bikes like this (and the KLX300R) would be fine picks for most dirt riders who are on a budget. Not race bikes, but they are competent, will last, don't make a lot of noise, and are reasonably cheap. In my region they sell very well, especially the dual-purpose version. They leave a lot to desired in terms of performance when compared directly to machines that cost 50-100% more, but they are still available for those who are on a budget, or for those who are more concerned with having fun and building skill as opposed to just owning a faster bike.
@ogasi1798
@ogasi1798 Ай бұрын
Modern 4t are amazing
@user-se7vt5ow4e
@user-se7vt5ow4e Ай бұрын
Amazingly expensive to maintain.
@ogasi1798
@ogasi1798 Ай бұрын
@@user-se7vt5ow4e not really Had 450 sxf and 500 exc for a decade, don't cost much at all
@mxgryan
@mxgryan Ай бұрын
Performance-wise, you're absolutely right.
@mxgryan
@mxgryan Ай бұрын
yes, big bores are much cheaper to maintain, but no one starts on those and many shouldn't be motocross racing them.
@ogasi1798
@ogasi1798 Ай бұрын
@@mxgryan I can only speak from personal experience and I'd hope others did the same, I grew up racing 2t in the early 80s up to mid 90s, since I've been on 4t I've not looked back and I had all the great 2t from yz to cr and my 1st kx had drum brakes and doubleshockers 🤣. I wouldn't try to decide what is right for others.
@moto126ktm
@moto126ktm Ай бұрын
Why bash on 4strokes when you can buy yourself an electric or 2stroke. Maybe you should be promoting dirt bikes and not bashing on them. Stop assuming your ridiculous claims about people. I thought dirt bikers are supposed to stick together not divide us like Biden "Come on man"!!!!
@mxgryan
@mxgryan Ай бұрын
Lol, tell me you missed the entire point without telling me.
@kurtheidelbach
@kurtheidelbach Ай бұрын
Dirt bikes are still relatively pretty cheap compared to many other sports. Look at the price of a Wakeboard boat at 125K. Now you are getting into more expensive sports. Or a bass boat at 70-100K. Don't need the feds to lower interest rates because if you are worried about financing play toys then you shouldn't be buying them to start with.
@mxgryan
@mxgryan Ай бұрын
I disagree.
@kurtheidelbach
@kurtheidelbach Ай бұрын
@@mxgryan Of course you disagree LOL. You are a dealer. Where do you think the majority of money is made on vehicles? Cars, trucks, motorcycles? The F&I office🤦‍♂. Even competing in equestrian for my daughter is a ton more expensive than dirt bikes for me or it was for her when she had them.
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