"Stubbornly think 1080p will be good enough for the rest of your life" im feeling VERY called-out right now

Just want to thank and congratulate you guys on creating the most brilliant, beautiful, polished, technically rich and easy to digest content on the internet. This episode in particular is a world-class masterpiece. You guys skillfully distill what took me over a year to discover for myself, including endless trial and error, countless hours of AVS forum browsing and multiple mistaken purchases of incompatible equipment. I hope people learning this info for the first time understand what a special gift it is to have all of this presented so brilliantly by you guys in a 43:44 minute video.

I never thought watching someone explain my TV settings would be so entertaining and informative.

8K will be the holy grail of retro gaming, handling every resolution ever with pixel perfect scaling.

The dedication you guys show with these videos is absolutely admirable! Thank you so much for making such great content!

I'd really like to see this topic revisited in the next 2-3 years. Its one of my favorites

I feel like doing a standing clap every time I finish watching a RGB Video Master Class episode.

This is one of the most in depth articles I have sen on the subject and very well researched as well as keeping it from getting boring. Well done.

At Junes, everyday is customer appreciation day

17:28 that dog is like "don't mess with my aspect ratio, dude!"

I hope this video saved a lot of people a lot of time and money and headaches with setups. You guys once again are a saving grace.

I've been looking for a detailed full 4k TV/Gaming guide on KZfaq and have finally found one. This is great guys! Thanks for all the hard work it took to deliver this awesome video.

I watched this on a Game Gear TV Tuner

The work you guys put into your videos is just bananas. You've become one of my favorite channels and I look forward to each new release!

It’s been one hell of an adventure. Tanks again for taking the lead. These videos are always helpful.

These videos are incredible and timeless. I've watched most of them multiple times as I set up my game room. Thank you both for all the hard work and effort you put into these

It just made me smile so much when I heard the Junes music.

Thank you once again for making me feel dumb 😂 You guys hands down are some of the most brilliant dudes in the gaming world 🤘

I can not believe how much time you have spend to make this beautiful episode of RGB1xx. you 2 truely set new standards in production quality on KZfaq. thank you so much for that.

This is the most attention I've payed to a lecture ever since college. Incredibly informative, incredibly well edited, not many ads (I mean the video itself serves as an ad for tons of equipment), excellent music selection, tons of games I love shown over here... I just realized I've been using my TV WRONG for so many years.

History lesson: film stock was always measured in width. When you buy 16mm or 35mm film, that's the width of the film. When film went digital, they continued measuring the width, not the height, as with anamorphic and cropped resolutions, the height matter less than the width. The "240p", "480i", "480p" style measurement of home televisions came from CRTs where line count measured vertically defined a resolution, and the width of the picture was meaningless (as it was a beam travelling across the screen, and how many "pixels" it showed meant very little to a fixed-velocity beam controlled by a sync pulse). Fast forward to today, and digital displays with fixed, square pixels are in a funny spot. You've got the film industry who measure in width, and the consumer industry who measure in height. DCI 2K resolutiion is 2048x1080, and DCI 4K is 4096x2160 for a full frame, or 4096x1716 for "Cinemascope" (wider sceen images you get in theatres, again based on the width, not the height). These terms are used incorrectly in the consumer market. ("DCI" = Digital Cinema Initiatives", a technology group formed by various film studios to define standards used in the movie industry). Consumer televisions keep their strict 16:9 resolution of 3840x2160 which is called UHD. The film industry was already using DCI 4K and 8K (aka "IMAX") for almost a decade before consumer televisions caught up. The "4K" name was considered more "punchy" by marketing than "UHD", which we learned from history confused people (remember VGA, then SVGA, then QVGA, XGA, SXGA, WXGA, and countless other confusing acronyms?). Confusingly, there are a handful of "4K" TVs on the market that can handle real 4K resolutions. However most simply scale that material down, losing pixel-perfect accuracy. In the professional sphere, companies like the one I work for actually purchase true DCI 4K resolution monitors. The "Sony PVM" brand today are actually OLED screens at DCI4K resolution with SDI4K inputs. Sony, like many professional display-manufacturing companies, have kept their old model brand names and evolved with display technology. (My Sega Vs City arcade machines have Nanao CRT monitors, who are now Eizo, who also produce professional grade DCI4K OLEDs in 2018).

1:59 - Thank you! Always appreciated to see someone use 2K correctly.

The effort put into these videos is just insane. You guys really deserve more subs

This KZfaq channel is gold I remembered just 3years ago I was wondering about this specific topic and how my retro games from the og Xbox looked amazing when I was a kid

1:43 omg this Persona 4 music! Love it.

Incredible video. There is so much ambiguity and misinformation out there so it's wonderful to have that decisively put to rest with a video like this!

The depth of content and quality in your videos is absolutely incredible.

Just wanted to say it’s obvious how much work y’all put into these videos. Incredible editing and great content guys. Thanks for the great stuff 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

Not sure if you mentioned it, but on the subject of proper HDMI cables..also make sure you have them plugged into the CORRECT HDMI port on your 4K TVs. My 4K TV only allows 4K 60Hz through HDMI 3/4 not HDMI 1/2

The persona 4 theme for the TVs was a good choice

5:11 "Kindly correct them" *shows footage of a beatdown* God I love this series.

Even though I don't have a 4k monitor yet, this video will serve as a fantastic reference point for many years to come. So much knowledge packed into 45 minutes. For now i'm still holding onto my plasma for anything 1080p and under related.

>First game shown is Gravity Rush 2 I love you guys.

For those with Samsung Tvs, Deep Color is known as "UHD Color"

Once again a superb episode. Up there with DF Retro as my favourite content on KZfaq. Thanks guys

This channel and the videos overall are so awesome and informative! I typically think of myself as pretty knowledgeable when it comes to tech stuff, but videos like this make me realize I still have stuff to learn haha

Myyyyy Lifeee inn Gamminggg!

For the people in the market for the best. LG's 4K OLED line is the way to go

This was a video I didn't know I needed to see. The way you convey the information makes it easier to digest and actually take in. Earned a sub

much respect for all the effort that went into this video, well done

MASTERPIECE OF A VIDEO! Great work!

1:45 everybody liked that persona music

This video is incredibly comprehensive. Outstanding.Thank you.

This is a great video!! Thanks so much specifically for explaining the difference with HDR on TVs. When I first heard of HDR on TVs and on gaming consoles, all I could think of was how PC games have done HDR for so long already. Your explanation really helped!

"your next tv" sounds like going shoe shopping... im still using an 15 years old flatscreen in my dorm 😅

Okay, this may turn out to be a long post but I feel like I have to point out something very important right here. I'll start by saying that I do really like you RGB master class series and you guys really have great talent when it comes to making videos and especially being very educational. I imagine you put down a lot of work into your series and I do enjoy watching them. However, when it comes to the subject of limited and full range, there are certain misconceptions in this video that I feel like I need to make you guys aware of. I'm a colorist, telecine operator and calibrator who have spent many years of learning alot of what is relevant to visual representation. My knowledges are certainly not perfected, I learn more and more about this pretty much every day. This is, however, a subject I feel like I've spent enough time with to clear things out once and for all. In the analog domain where the information isn't stored as bits and are outputted as voltage to the monitor, there are reference levels for white and black. Notice that I say reference levels. For the American home video market, the black level was 7.5IRE (relevant to VHS, Laserdisc etc) and this was changed to 0IRE when DVD came around. There are, however, even in the analog domain even values below 0IRE that are being outputted to the monitor and _can_ be displayed if the brightness is set too high. As for white level, 100IRE is reference white but according to the SMPTE standards the peak should actually be at 109IRE. When we moved over to the digital domain however, things changed and new standards had to be made. Like I mentioned before the 7.5IRE black level was changed to 0IRE. In order to keep negative values, SMPTE decided to use a higher value for the black level than 0 within 8-bit word. Therefore the black level was set to 16 and as black doesn't contain any information, values 16 shouldn't be visible neither. 17 and up should be visible. For the white level however, things aren't as cut and dry. The SMPTE Legal Levels range from 0 to 109% and thus you're actually supposed to keep all the information up to 254 intact when using limited range. 235 is still the _reference_, but not the _limit_. Those are two very different things. When displaying content that follow the SMPTE levels on a CRT properly you will have all levels up to 254 visible and not being cutoff anywhere below that. Partly due to compability reasons, this is also the case today. There are more factors that play along with it though. When LCDs and Plasmas came around, many models had problematic white balance if you cut the levels at 234 and this was due to the fact that many models clipped one or two of the RGB channels at an incorrect value. This can still occur on some displays nowadays and it gives you color shifting at highlights. Using 16-235 as _references_ and keeping levels above that intact, both in the source, the chain and on the display itself, also helps for the YCbCr RGB conversion and also helps for the EOTF. In other words, when SMPTE settled for this specific standard and made it clear that 235 is the reference and that peak, at 255, should still be visible, you can probably assume they knew very well what they were dealing with. I'd also like to point out that far from all displays allow for SMPTE Legal Levels 0-109%. Some of the Pioneer Kuros are cutting off white at 235 and several old Panasonic Plasmas usually clips at 247 without any way to adjust it. If you're setting the white level at 235 on purpose it's simply not correct. Now, if you're going to use limited range for gaming (which I personally don't use), I recommend setting the black and white levels with the help of AVSHD 709 which is free. This of course mainly applies to SDR content, but by using the test patterns you can with it make sure that you're clipping the black and white level properly. Since pretty much all sources that are capable of outputting YCbCr or RGB Limited range at their correct levels you will not need to adjust the contrast and brightness settings once you've calibrated those levels, even if you're swapping consoles (that is if they're all set to the same levels of course, which you've explained very well in this video). Please note that the only thing you can calibrate on your display are the presented levels, for just about anything else you'll need measurement tools to get accurate results. Still, those levels are also what this post is all about. I'd also like to point out that full range can give better color reproduction than limited range as you gain more levels with full range, but the differences are rather small in comparison to 8-bit versus 10-bit color depth which is most certainly more important when we're talking about modern gaming and HDR. The most important thing is that you're using the mode that works properly with your setup. Oh, that was a long post. Sorry if I bored you guys. Let me know if you've got any questions or objections. Love your show! :)

Finally someone who breaks down the 4K HDR mystery! I love you guys. 😘

Another amazing video. I thought I knew almost everything about 4K/HDR, but this video was very informative for me. Keep up the good work!!!

Great episode guys! OSSC creator marqs made a mod board for SNES and NES which "dejitters" the sync signal from the console and increases compatibility at 3x and beyond with most display and capture hardware. It's available on his Github, and for sale at VGP and maybe elsewhere.

I really wish you guys would've covered older stuff being upscaled by 4k tv's. For instance a dreamcast or og xbox 480p signal without an oscc. Still love this episide though. Tremendous work.

My god, what a great episode. Clear explanations, beautiful captured footage, 4k/hdr future on youtube (hopefully ;) ). Just became a patron.

So good! Thank you guys. Such great content as always. Is it weird that I already get waves of nostalgia just from hearing your theme song?

1:42 Every day's great at your Junes

I want to get into 4K tv, but I’m waiting for it to become more affordable for my family. Would love to play some of the best games in the best quality possible. (Also that Junes theme you used is nice lol) I also might wait for the 21:9 aspect ratio to become standard as it is starting to appear on high end Pc’s

I just picked up a new 4K set and an OSSC recently. This vid is helping me out big time. Thanks guys!

This was SUCH a good video!!!! I can go forth confidently and put my 4k setup together.

43:14 "Scaling techniques" I chortled.

Excellent video. This must have taken a lot of homework. All I can say is that I am very happy with my decision to divide my gaming into 2 setups to avoid a lot of all this tied to one screen setup. I have all component devices and older connected to my PVM 20L5 and then all component and newer devices connected to my 4K. This may be redundant but cuts down on a lot of other challenges that you guys have mentioned.

This video singehandedly inspired me to upgrade to 4k and get into creating a home theater. I can't thank you guys enough for making this.

Thank you so much for an amazing video! I spent hours trying to get my Framemeister to work properly. I had the pink screen and no sound. Turns out my amp was set on 4:4:4, changed it to 4:2:2. Then like magic, it worked! Thank you again for helping me understand a little more about the confusing world of 4K! 🙂

I think a way you could improve your already amazing production is to put some small text in the bottom right of any game footage showing which game the footage is from. I spent some time googling one day to figure out which game you were playing one time.

Very interesting! I think I understood enough of this episode to say this: IMO it's hideous that these standard-yet-different specifications are actually part of consumer electronics right now. I mean, who has the patience for this, who will investigate for cables and settings to get the best out of their equipment? Only us geeks. For the normal human being it's way too complicated right now. And the standard settings on modern devices are terrible most of the time.

Great video. I still get a kick out of those funny sound effects when you plug in a cable: "ppppttt!"

Congratulations on finishing Try! Can't wait to watch after work today!

I use a 30FT Monoprice and multiple 15ft Monoprice HDMI 2.0 cables and have had no problems :)

Can you do an update video for best QLED, OLED TVs for 2023 onward?

You guys have once again outdone yourselves. I like to think of myself as being quite knowledgeable on this stuff, but I’ve definitely learnt a few more things after watching this.

Great video! Very cool to see the current equipment you use and what you've upgraded to.

Also don't forget about my boi DCI 4K at 4096x2160 :)

I've watched this video 9 times

You guys are unbeatable at what you do! Excellent presentation, once again.

This is an excellent episode, informative, and optimistic about our ability to enjoy a wide number of titles on them.

Didn't know I would add a new Denon stereo to my wish list after watching this episode.

As I get older, I find myself worrying less about the absolute cutting edge (cost being one thing). A few years ago, i'd have scoffed at the very idea of saying that - I guess fatherhood will do that to you. To be honest, and this is based on instore demonstrations, the leap from HD to 4k is nowhere near the leap from SD to HD was in my opinion. As far as i'm concerned, there is still really only three eras of TV - Black & White (Long dead), SD/ED (Standard def colour era) and HD (including 4k - HD deluxe/plus/on steroids as I like to interchangeably say). Obviously the leap from SD to HD was gigantic and demanded attention (quite rightly) so HD exploded. But to me, the leap from HD to 4K is similar as the one from SD to ED - Yes, ED looks nicer but not so much nicer as to make SD redundant. So I cant see myself dipping into 4K anytime soon but if and when I do, I'll be looking at this vid for sure (assuming I wont simply jump to 8K of course) At this moment, I have my gaming PC (comfortably gaming at 1080p60) as well as some 360 and later stuff hooked up to the HDTV and my PVM for original retro consoles with everdrives hooked up and to be honest, that'll do for me. I don't really feel compelled to drag '85-'05 content kicking and screaming into the HD and beyond landscape so I will keep them on my young (

Your videos have both inspired and helped me alot in this jungle of mixing old and new tech. Went for the LG C1, and I really love how games looks on it. Especially the NES.

You guys have some of the best content on KZfaq, thanks!

I'm here playing Colecovision on my 38 year old television.

As long as I can read in-game text I'm good.

Awesome vid as always! Learned a couple of things today, even after doing my own research... YOU ROCK

VERY well done episode with broadcast network level production. I suspect this episode will and has helped to inform many would-be and current collectors.

Wasn't there an issue with crushed blacks when using limited RGB back in the PS3 days? Or maybe that had do with the TV being calibrated wrongly? (but wouldn't the TV be tuned to "limited" if that is indeed the standard?)

Also, you know what I want most from a TV these days? Not 4K. Not HDR. Not a curve. Not quantum dots or whatever. I want a TV that doesn't have useless apps built in. I have one of those now and all it does is make the TV take longer to work as it boots up its software before it lets me change inputs. I can't even use the apps to watch stuff because the network card in the TV is so bad that I can only stream at 360p or whatever the app's lowest setting is, and it still buffers. I had to go and buy a Chromecast anyway. So just get rid of this "smart TV" fad and give me a dumb TV that doesn't take a million years to start up.

I don’t have an OLED 4K Tv. Hell I don’t have a regular 4K TV. I still ended up watching the whole video just because it was informative, entertaining, and easy to follow. I learned a lot about 4K, HDR, and the current generation of gaming resolution. Spectacular video, keep it up!

I like how you guys go so deep. Even if you werent into gaming you would learn a lot from you guys.

I don't know how to contact you guys, but I hope you read messages or this is visible. You've covered a lot about video tech and retro gaming, but what about AUDIO? A lot of PVMs have no speakers, a lot of 32-bit systems have analog surround-sound support, even as late as the PS2 era there was spotty support for 5.1. I would be curious what 16-bit systems on a home theatre system would do, if the consoles could even produce low enough frequencies a subwoofer could understand it

The Denon AVR-X3400H is discontinued, what’re some other denon receivers that have the same features?

GREAT Episode! Learned a ton and got my tv matched up with the output of my nvidia graphics card in the process!

It's a very useful video, you covered up many things. You clearly put so much effort in the making of this so thanks for sharing ur research.

"HD ARRRR"

So is it better to switch to Limited Range instead of Full Range even on a 1080p TV?

Thanks guys for your great search and time for us to fully understand our set up guidelines and getting us to fix our own system, i enjoy your work when you both put toghter your work in episodes videos thank you again i love that song in your video as well matches correctly i fixed my color issues in my tv now is time to enjoy great video 👍

nearly forgot how rewatchable your videos are, good stuff

Need more on the Frameister here. Seems like the scaler you guys touted for years is getting left behind now. Cannot keep dropping hundreds for this stuff.

I was in mid-coitus but dropped EVERYTHING to watch this.

As always , great video and info. Thank you guys, keep it up!

Great video guys. Y'all explain everything way better than most of those audio / video home theatre channels.

20:30 KNACK 2 BABY

How do I get 4k HDR on my Sony Trinitron WEGA CRT?

I have little to no interest in buying a 4k tv or upscaling my games anywhere beyond component on a CRT and yet I am completely engaged throughout the whole video. You guys really have something good going on.

I never get bored watching your videos! I love this channel! Long time fan