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Let's be clear, a a woman with a master's degree in the social sciences marrying a guy who works in the trades is not marrying down. He may not be a financial guy who works part-time as an Abercrombie & Fitch model, but America seems to uniquely devalue skilled trades. I am an eye surgeon who recently undertook a project to restore an old truck. I now have an immense respect for guys who work with stuff. I am reminded even years ago when President Obama in one of his speeches said he imagined a time when everybody could go to college. We do not need everyone going to college. Our society needs to value people working in the trades because you can have a bunch of phds but who's going to fix your air conditioning or repair your vehicle.

Masculinity is basically like rocket fuel. It needs to be properly contained, harnessed, and directed. If not, it can be a destructive force for chaos. If it is repressed it will be a self-destructive internal force leading to all kinds of personal problems like depression and addictions. The best way to learn to harness masculinity is to learn it from a healthy masculine father figure.

When I was a kid it was rare for a kid in my class to have parents separated but now when I pick my kids up from school it’s almost 50/50 it’s sad thing to see.

Hypergamy is not in decline... their options are in decline.

My God, the absolute state of modern relationships. God help those new generation of children being raised by their miserable parent.

"As hypergamy is in decline, female infidelity goes up". Guys, if you ever have the inkling of a feeling that your partner settled/dated down for you. Run, RUN LIKE THE WIND!!!

I am just glad I was depressed and anxious in my 20s and got into Buddhist Philosophy for 10+ years and have a balance stability and happiness of mind to the point where I can enjoy a relationship with a woman but don’t require one at all. Trying to gain happiness from the current state of relationships in this society and dynamics, good luck.

I think a lot of the problems with modern dating is people don’t know what they actually want in a long term relationship and are led into something based solely on physical attraction for as long as that feeling of lust is there. Obviously you want a partner you find attractive but when looking for a husband you should be looking for the kind of man you’d want your son to grow up to be and vice versa if you’re looking for a wife. A long term relationship or marriage should be centered around love, mutual respect and emotional support. It has to be a give-give situation and if one partner isn’t willing to take care of the other, the relationship will crumble. Most of your daily needs (someone to gossip with, someone who loves the same music as you, someone to help you heal) can be outsourced to different friends or a good therapist. Don’t put all your needs on one person and be sad if they don’t fulfill them. Our expectations will crush us in the end. If you’ve got someone who has your back as much as you have theirs and is willing to work through things with you, never let them go.

Nobody talking about how impressive the interviewee is as a talker. He get entangled a bit at one time, but very good articulation and very knowledgeable. Maybe a bit of working on his confidence, but im impressed.

I have a PhD and my husband is a taxi driver. I couldn’t be happier and more proud of him. Everyday I’m grateful for how amazing and caring he is. Wouldn’t change a thing about him or our lives.

Hypergamy is in decline, Only in the sense that it's being satisfied through stable marriage less frequently. Female infidelity, divorce, perpetual singleness, etc. are all still the result of the hypergamous instinct

As an immigrant who came to the UK 17 years ago from Poland, I have seen countless Polish couples divorce and spilt up. Funny thing I've noticed over almost two decades is that Polish women almost always mate up after a break up from their Polish partner. What I mean is they never dated another Polish guy and almost always ended up with a British guy. Presumably because of status and earning potential of someone who was born in this country. Often, a British man might have his own house, while a Polish immigrant will be forever renting and so on. Dating after break up is not the same for Polish men. Their status and often inability to speak English on a good enough level to "woo" an English girl, put them at disadvantage on the dating market. Both, the fact that Polish women date up and that English women refuse to date down prove that women don't want to date down or that it will tak a very long time for it to change. This is just my observation

My grandmother told me a man of quality needs to be loving, loyal and dependable. Money is a bonus. And that's from a woman who grew uo during the Great Depression. She also said a man with money who treats you like crap, is still a piece of crap. When they started dating my grandfather made less money than she did. She and her sister's ran a beauty salon. She also said it helps that he is really handy.

I think it depends on the people in the relationship. They might not mind their different status, but most people don’t live in a bubble. You have to be mature to withstand outside interference.

Social/Media is a major factor in this issue. Women, many with egos already running amuck, perceive themselves as all "tens" and "queens" as more-and-more low value men give them attention (Likes). Therefore they see nearly all men as 'below them', at least from a SMV perspective. Women WILL NOT date down, at least to their self-perceived value. Hypergamy, however we wish to define it, is too deeply ingrained in women's biological make-up to be ignored or overridden.

Effectively dating down means women would have to practice what they preach, and honestly evaluate men on their intrinsic qualities. It probably won't happen 😂

What happens if a woman starts dating on her actual level? Families...

His definition of hypergamy is a revisionist one. It's not mate selection once; it's continued evaluation and selection of mates for a better future as opportunities arise.

3 options 1.) they mate down (very unlikely) 2.) they share a top quality fellow.. what determines top quality i'll leave it to you to fill in the blanks. 3.) they maintain their status quo - very likely

The title says “dating down,” but the thumbnail CLEARLY shows dating up😂

A lot of them are already dating down. “Dating down”, hypergamy, and value is subjective. When that happens the husband is treated like Will Smith, Johnny Depp, Johnny Sins, or much worse (perhaps polyandry, thru deception or compliance). Those men are higher than their women on paper but the woman perceives herself to be worth as much or more, or able to attain/retain a similar or higher value man.

The thumbnail is showing HYPERGAMY, Shrek is a STUD

Innate hypergamy really is a thing, but women are also influenced more than men by their parents, and by their peers, who may say “he’s not good enough for you”.

Here in Australia women go after tradesmen ..Suits are seen as less mssculine . The tradie is seen as more masculine and makes alot of money . Here women talk about hot tradies and get bragging rights for scoring one .. The trades are seen as honourable work here .

Mating up, Mating down, either way a woman is unhappy, happiness doesn't come from without, it comes from within.

I think that most men would rather be alone than waste his time and resources on a woman who will cheat on him. Especially when all of the legal apparatus is geared against men. I think the game is lost. Whoever started this shit has won, they've fucked men and women for good. And they didn't even have the decency of giving us a reach around.

Hypergamy is not in decline and infidelity is part of hypergamy.

I can't help but feel like some of these issues men/women experience stems from people overthinking themselves and self importance., As opposed to being fulfilled by helping others or making the world a better place.

Dating for money and status as a woman makes sense especially if you are lower class to upper middle class. If you are going to have children you are going to rely more or completely on your husband for a time. No matter how high-flying your career if you are going to be a hands on mother (particularly of the attachment-parenting variety) you must shift a large part or even all of the time, attention and energy you gave your career onto your children. You'd be irresponsible to choose a father for your children that couldn't provide a decent home in a safe area and a reasonable standard of living. The higher the status of your husband the more people will think twice about mis-treating you and your children. Again, this is simply good sense. In the same way a man would be smart to consider if a prospective wife is generally patient and agreeable. You don't want someone with a hair trigger as the mother of your tiny helpless baby. It would be smart to consider if a prospective wife has healthy habits. You don't want a woman who is happy to live on doritos and soda to be the one growing your baby. It's also a good idea to pick an intelligent woman who enjoys mental stimulation and challenge, lest the mother of your children be eating doritos and watching reality tv instead of reading to your children and and taking them to the local children's museum. And on and on.

It may be the case that better-educated women are more likely to REPORT abuse, because they're more aware of it and they have more confidence and more resources to deal with it.

Given the undesirability of many women today, I don't know if it's possible for them to 'date down'. Most are average at best but view themselves as being much greater than they are.

Shrek is not dating down. Dude had his own land, purpose, was the best fighter in the entire kingdom. And was feared by everyone. Fiona was just pretty and born into wealth lol

Great to watch Chris' journey over the years. He's become one of the best in the business.

Just because someone doesn't see your value, doesn't mean you're valueless. Know your worth. You are precious in God's eyes. Don't allow hate or others with issues to tare you down. Press onward, heal and shine. You are cherishable even if you don't know it yet. I hope this speaks to whomever needs to hear this. Sending kindness and love ❤

We seem to have forgotten that children are the most important people. Children are the future, and children are innocent. The only way to safeguard our future is to do everything we possibly can to protect and educate and raise the healthiest children. That requires an unwavering sense of duty and sacrifice from adults. Sadly, modern adults are more interested in themselves and their Instagram following. The idea that why "won't somebody think of the children?" has been ridiculed for decades. But they're right, nobody is thinking of the children. So here we are today, while adults argue on TikTok about body counts and pay gaps, our families collapse and our children cut themselves. If our children are fucked, our future is fucked. The only solution to this problem is to prioritise children again. We've lost God.

OMFG, you guys are going to hyper-analyze your way into extinction. Stop over-analyzing what people you've never met may or may not be doing and live your f*cking life. And for you men out there who are worried about your dating prospects: Did you ask anyone out today? Do you even know what you want from a relationship? Do you even know what you want from yourself? Get off social media, go touch some grass and start taking some chances in your miserable lives. I guarantee you it'll do infinitely more for your life than this online circle-jerk that seems to be going-on on youtube.

I am all for skilled trades. Having the skill to actually do a certain trade (to me atleast) is very rewarding and can do to someone’s confidence. Not so much in a sense of finances (don’t get me wrong you can make good money doing trades) but having the ability to know how to solve and fix society’s essentials like water, electricity, mechanical, IT, Nursing, wielding, etc. Feels good in a way where your efforts are really beneficial to society even if not a lot of people would thank you.

It seems like every day there is another reason for young people, particularly young men, to lose hope in regards to modern dating and the current dynamics at play. For me personally, I learn something new almost every week that makes it seem like finding a decent partner will be an impossible task. So for those in the same situation as me the only advise I can give is keep working hard, be optimistic, live in ignorant bliss, and try to stay young at heart.

They are dating down in a way, because real men just stopped chasing altogether. So women are stuck with soyboys, but they still want a real man.

Women are NOT dating down. It's their own fault if they consider men on their level not good enough. Income is not a determining factor on the woman's side of the relationship and many of the determining factors like ability/willingness to cook, manage the home, be cooperative, and play her role without thinking she's a powerless slave, is missing. MEN are dating down because what men want is frowned on by today's women.

One of the best marriages I knew was a woman with a master degree married to a man with a high school degree. Married over 60 years. He was a wonderful husband and father.

It’s definitely happening. I work in a lab where I have many decently attractive female coworkers making 6 figures while their husbands are working blue collared jobs making half that. I’ve had this conversation with an ex before, as long as a man can make a decent living above a threshold, there’ll be plenty of women that are happy with that - they’re looking for more than just money and status. Those are the kinda women you want. If you don’t have a college degree, learn a trade and you’ll still get it.

Has it occured to people who creat this kind of content that relationships need a compatibility of personalities, worldview, values, beliefs, common interests... these things are much more important than social class.

Thank God I scored a real man when I was 18 and I am still with him 18 years later..... I can't imagine having to find a solid man in this age!!

If women date down, the quality of people go down.

Lack of traditional values are leading to serious problems

Another aspect of this is that a number of men I know (& possibly a growing number generally) have stopped dating (mostly) because they didn’t like how so many women (esp. professional women) don’t have the feminine qualities they want in a wife….so it may (increasingly) work both ways - both sexes not being satisfied with the selection of partner/spouse material currently.

I wrote a short eBook on this subject and I actually sent it to Mr. Costello titled The "Where Have All the Good Men Gone" Hypothesis which details hypergyny (female-specific hypergamy) in relation to factors such as the gender-academic gaps we now find cross-culturally. What has been found for some years is that although women may date down in education (education hypogamy), they're still prioritizing men that earn a higher income than themselves (income hypergamy). Of course, even this group of men is limited, and therefore, other women will either have to engage in a completely hypogamous mating strategy, or, go without. In the event they go with the former, I think factors such as the corollaries to Briffaults Law will become more pronounced, and the relationship will not be a healthy one in that it will not be an environment conducive to raising children, but her resentment. In these cases, she may even elect to not have the man's children.

“These chicks be for everybody” - Chris Brown.

I dated down once.......I was miserable so I ended things instead of dragging it along

Blaming the incels again I see

Weird thumbnail since Fiona is dating way up there

Even dating their equals is considered "dating down" for women these days tho lol

In the old days, during the Roman empire, low status men didn’t have right to have a wife or access to women, only high status men had access to women; it appears nowadays, the history comes around full circle, as many low status men have no choice but live in celibacy, yet high status men could be dating multiple women simultaneously.

All I'll say is, as an average income guy who used to be engaged to a millionaire (it didn't work out) all I can say is that dating up as a guy is fucking stressful

I personally don't mate at all been celibate for 13 years. I've gotten sick and tired of the foolish roller-coaster rides dating often brings. I find the quality of men with integrity is very rare. Plus alot more men are gay or bisexuality so that's a big no thank you to dating a man. It's hard enough to compete with other women but to have to compete with men too is way to much for my taste. I simply rather not date and wait to meet a truly good man.

I think I disagree with the idea that as hypergamy declines infidelity increases. I think female infidelity is just hypergamy without access to high status. Unless William is saying that women who are unable to secure a high status man would rather have multiple low status men. That seems unlikely to me. I think it's more likely that female infidelity of this kind occurs when a woman knows she is unhappy with her partner so scrambles around sleeping with multiple other men hoping to discover that one of them is of higher status than her partner, but because she doesn't have access to the high status men it doesn't quite work. It's more a tragic spiral of hypergamy-driven infidelity rather than a sexual choice for multiple low status men.

These topics are becoming quite tiring and redundant to say the least. Not to mention the further division it's creating between men and women AND the bitter Brandon's in these comment sections ready to load off on women for nothing more than the satisfaction of unloading their incel misery. 😒 S.O.L.U.T.I.O.N.S please. But despite it all, great commentary as usual.

I'll speak as objectively as possible. My wife married down. She is very very wealthy (via her dad), I do okay (earn a GP/lawyer type wage). I'm nowhere near her wealth bracket (not many people in the world are). We do NOT have children for MEDICAL reasons (surrogacy is also ruled out). We are thinking about adoption....but that has its problems when you do your research and realise the likelihood of adopting a child with MAJOR behavioural problems (understandably). We are happy with our current situation, and we do lots for charity and have a dog. My point is, I technically fit into the "wife married down and don't have kids" conversation....but ours was medically forced on us....so that's why you can't always take these statistics at first hand.

The pill has caused a lot of problem hormones, and pheramones giving out wrong signals casuing high levels of miss matches has a part to play .

Women are not poor, uneducated and desperate anymore and they are picking men they like. This is only an issue if you are unlikeable or undesirable.

Men that women dating are reflection of who they are. If they date down, they feel resentful since they often rate themselves higher than men who might actaully on their level. And women compare themselves to other women a lot like in almost everything.

“Women aren’t happy about mating down” , lol I don’t think they were very happy mating up either. Women just want better always.

I, as a degree holding woman, do not for a moment feel I married remotely down with my blue collar husband. As I see it and it was made plainly clear to me by my employer upon completion of my degree that due to the proliferation of degreed people in the market and the dumbing down of many degrees, even technical ones, my bachelors degree is the equivalent of a high school diploma to many employers. While I enjoyed my degree, it was simply not worth the time , money, or effort as I’ve learned more from on-the-job activities than anything my degree offered.

I did that married him too.... we're happy with our kid in a house which I bought outright cash... I made way more money than he did and I got everything together we would need to live our lives. Seven years later we married had our kid and I now stay at home with our kid. He feels it's fair because I did all the working in the beginning.

Women think because they date down they can dominate their partners that leads to more problems in the relationship

It’s easy to conflate hypergamy on the decline with settling. Very hard to measure which is which and what you are trying to differentiate. If you think there is a trend where prime 20 something’s are going for lower smv guys than I’ll empathetically say no. If it’s older 20s to 30s that’s traditionally settling.

*Correction What would happen if women started dating on their own level?

I never cared about dating up, I just wanted someone who wanted kids, and thst part is expensive, to have a home and stable income is a hurdle. I've heard many men say they don't want kids ever.m because of the responsibility. So anyone confident enough to see the value in procreation even if we live in a small apartment, that person becomes very interesting to me. That's not dating up or down, it's almost like surviving and reaching your main goals in life.

Every time I "mate down" I ultimately get dumped because I am "too good", "too smart" or "too accomplished" for them. It simply does not work for guys. They don't like dating up.

I can't truly speak for women but I will say that I am noticing that men don't seem to care how good looking a girl is? We will of course deify sexy women, but I don't think the majority of men are like "ew shes an uggo. I don't even want to interact with her." Now I know that women are very intensely concerned with their own level of attraction and are hyper aware of the other womens levels, so I'm guessing its a big deal for them period. Of course physical attraction is a form of money in a way, its genetically pleasing and there are 'signs of fertility and verility". Anyway I think guys, They just want a girl that isn't crazy. Am I wrong guys? I mean of course nobody wants someone overweight, and with bad hygiene, but if it is a woman that you can get along with and have the benefit of having a family with, intimacy, and all that? I don't know one single guy who would trade that for Barbie Boss. I think we need the male remix to "Where have all the cowboys gone?"

I can't be the only woman disappointed by the idea that 'if a woman gives away sex too freely then men will only reach that unbelievably low criteria and will only do what's asked of them'. I think one of the main causes of the absolutely dismal state of the modern dating world is because what people want from life in general is superficial and hedonistic. Will men really not do anything meaningful with their lives, develop character, build something if they can get sex with a woman for basically nothing? How pathetic. So much of what makes a person attractive on a deeper level is their character and being good at something they're passionate about. The top percentage of men who can win a lot of women in a world where monogamy is viewed as outdated are so unattractive to me. Social status and wealth means nothing without character and values. They use women who are going to end up miserable. The men at the bottom are so immersed in their victim-hood and nhilism, seeing the 'chads' win over all the women, they too aren't doing anything meaningful thinking they are doomed to be incels forever. Women are lying to themselves about what they really want in the name of progress and are rewarding men for being shit, but the fact that that 'reward' is enough for men to not improve themselves is really what I find most disappointing. The meaning crisis is reflected in relationships, and it's ugly.

I just wish I had friends that liked to talk about these kinds of things 😅😂

That is a whole lot of truth in a very short time.

You put shrek for the cover… Lmao. Haha 😂😂💀 Savage

What if men also stop dating down? I have seen many families get ruined because the guy couldn't keep it in his pants and would fuck around with women he didn't really admire or even like. Result: Child support, broken up family and everyone is unhappy.

If female infidelity is raising but male is not, then the conclusion most be that some women are sharing a man.

People are commenting here, describing hypergamy as mainly about looks or status. But what about respect? I'd call myself hypergamous because I married my husband because I look up to him. Our social status is equal; our looks are equal; but I esteem him in a way I never esteemed the guys I *didn't* marry. I think nothing goes well if a woman doesn't look up to her husband in some way.

Hypergamy here in Norway is sky high, if you go to any pub or club, anywhere frankly, you see clusters of men together and cluster of women, neither wanting to interact with the other. I'm a millennial and every guy i know is single, some by choice as they have given up on women, i think in the long run men are adapting while women will struggle.

Interesting how 'egalitarianism' demands that the things that make men sexually valuable are equally distributed while female sexual value is allowed to become heavily consolidated by dismissing 'non-egalitarian' sexual norms. That's probably why women hold stronger 'egalitarian' attitudes.

People need to stop ignoring attractiveness when discussing hypergamy. We act like women want money/status and men want looks, but women want looks/money/status. An ugly/rich woman who pays for her tall, handsome, irresponsible, broke boyfriend is still hypergamous. Attractiveness has an intrinsic value (better sex and more attractive offspring). Women don’t just want men who are above them in wealth and status. They want men who have higher value than themselves, where value is the combination of looks, money, and status. For a woman to date her rank-order looks-match, he must have more combined money/status than her. If that man’s combined value is held constant, and his looks goes up, then his money/status go down proportionately, yet he is still above her (a valid hypergamous option). Many (sufficiently high wealth/status) women will simp for a man with off-the-charts looks. However, most women don’t have the wealth/status to support a hobosexual Chad longterm, especially when he’s also disloyal (anti-status).

Most of the hypergamy don't come from money but from status and that is not just hierarchy on the workplace, but on a social hierarchy, a reduce in the woman's hypergamy would be like a normal school girl preferring to pick a common nerd guy rather than choosing the captain of the football team, and that is not gonna happen by their own free will, the environment just gonna have to change or else the 10% are gonna be the father of all the kids of the next generation.

Dating down is dangerous no matter if it's the women or men. That do it.

It's good to follow/understand these societal trends, but it boils down to both men and women's self worth. If you have that, you'll realize you don't have to marry someone who is going to look down on you, in either direction. Team effort & mutual respect are key, not career choices. My cousin didn't go to college, but did start a contractor business from scratch. He supported his wife, who finished college to become a teacher. They have great kids and a lovely house that my cousin renovated. A real power couple as far as I'm concerned.

It would be fun to have a graph made illustrating the different types of women who have no choice but to date down, others who have the high & low possibility of dating down, those who will never date down & women who are chosen by the "alpha males" from the very start. The factors involved and percentage of the female population representing these types of women to see how screwed we are. It's nice to see comparisons & what would strongly influence the outcome. Members of royal families still in general choose the women whom the heirs to the throne marry. The women selected must meet their requirements and most (modern) women cannot qualify. Ciara settled for Russel Wilson, Taylor Swift can't keep a man & forever single Lolo Jones decided to freeze her eggs.

We need to stop choosing partners based on shallow societal values which give no indication on whether or not you could become soulmates.

so, i had a first date. guy and i met when we were all with a friend group. two out of three phone conversations he was drunk/extremely open and forthcoming with a lot of information, and some red flags that popped up, but i gave it a shot. so we settled on a date. he didn't know what to do so i suggested a place to meet that would be fun regardless of if we were compatible or not. after i asked him where he suggested for food... he didn't know. i said i knew a texas roadhouse nearby and we settled on that. so texas roadhouse has tasty rolls. i had torn some off of my roll and ate it, and then asked my date to pass me the cinnamon butter. he had the butter but decided that he would rather reach over and take my roll from the plate and stick it into the container with the cinnamon butter. i smacked the back of his hand and asked him what the hell he was doing, he said "oh, i thought we were closer than that." i wasn't angry, i was just shocked and strangely amused that someone actually would think that it's ok to touch someone's food without an invitation. needless to say, the date continued and the guy got the hint that he'd finally blown it a 3rd time. (the phone conversations were a doozy and i was his therapist. plus he expected me to be as forthcoming with information as he was, and i'm just not that person) so sadly, i don't date up, i don't date down. i would love to meet someone and fall in love, but i'm also just fine if i'm alone in my own company.. it's not settling to not want to be in a relationship, just so i'm not alone, but according to society i'm already a spinster anyhow.

Women want a man who they view as more capable while hating and denigrating any man who is more capable. It's a similar situation to playing catch with a dog. No take, only throw.

Women would rather die alone than “settle for less.”

Women are also tired of being run through by giga Chads or Tyrones and realize they should be finding an equal mate. A 7 matching with a 7 is only considered settling from a woman’s perspective. RIP Kevin Samuels.

I have no problem dating down but you have to be masculine , I am a very feminine woman and I have met alot of men recently who are just very feminine and don't dress well, tattoos everywhere, can't control alcohol consumption etc there are men who don't even protect woman anymore. I make sure I drive home before dark not because I am afraid of men because deep down I'm thinking if I get in trouble most men have decided to go their own way and won't help and I understand why. Men used to be our protectors but are becoming predators ( not all men ) Woman used to be feminine but now they want to act like a man and become a feminist. ( not all woman )

What really determines the metric for dating "higher" or "lower" anyway... Is money and status the only thing people care about nowadays?

Woman here. I make more than my hubby and was more educated when we married. I don’t think “i mated down” because my perception of what an attractive mate is evolved when I saw I could take care of my self financially. I discovered that an emotionally mature and stable man was incredibly attractive. Someone who was responsible, reliable and who I could depend on was priority. Someone who could be vulnerable with me but had confidence to navigate life problems. I knew we would never be rich with just what he earned, but he could provide the minimum (basic shelter, food, utilities) necessities of life if I got sick and couldn’t work. He wasn’t ambitious and I knew that when we got married. So we made a deal, i wouldn’t push him to be ambitious but he wouldn’t stand in my way either. I need to always be pushing myself further. We accepted each other the way we were and agreed not to try to change each other. 11 years later we are very very happily married. Best decision of my life.

Excellent concise breakdown

Relationships have degenerated into a societal shit show of danger abd hassles.

I don’t mind dating down. But what I’ve experienced with several guys is the guy gets insecure because I am more mature/smart and then the relationship does not last. 😢

the problem is that women fully control the dating market in the west, so the standards in order are looks, status, money, personality.... if a guy is lacking in any he will fail. if you are average in one abut high in others you can make it, work with what you got and try to push all to highest as possible, than pick healthy young smart women to start families, good women with realistic standards who value monogamy may seem rare but they exist, but if one still have troubles here its best to learn another language and travel, only in north America is dating this bad. the old traditional values are dead, as a young man who works construction and makes enough to support a family, i am probably leaving the country' myself.

Women never dated down. It's whether they date guys twice as good as themselves versus guys four times as good as themselves.

“High numbers of childless men” Military: you mean potential recruits