Modifying Helion 10 for extra long range (Crossfire)

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Phoenix

Phoenix

3 ай бұрын

Here are the mods to the Helion 10 that makes the Helion 10 achieve more range - mainly due to antenna placement. These are just minor tweaks without resorting to full DIY antennas.
Gear:
Helion 10 with re-positioned VTX antennas and upgraded and re-positioned TBS Crossfire Diversity Nano RX antennas (immortal T and TrueRC Bardpole 280mm)
Battery: 16000mAH Li-ion (about) 140c
VTX antennas: 2x iFlight Albatross 5.8GHz 150mm RHCP RP-SMA (iFlight stock)
DJI Googles 2 Integra. (stock)
RC: TBS Tango II V3 at 500mw
Hardware Investment needed:
- 2x 22cm 5.8Ghz U.FL to RP-SMA pigtails (90°) long enough to reach the air unit mounted in front.
- BardPole 868MHz SMA (850MHz-890MHz) 28cm long.
Music:
Lux-Inspira - Simplicity

Пікірлер: 36
@lemonoid6156
@lemonoid6156 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing! It`s great you no longer have to remove the antennas to open the canopy with this mod! Love it!
@ebikefe
@ebikefe 3 ай бұрын
Awesome mods.....thanks for sharing! Already ordering parts for my Helion 10.
@CaptainKazi
@CaptainKazi 3 ай бұрын
Great Job! Love it!!!
@swissfpvshots
@swissfpvshots 3 ай бұрын
Beeindruckende Distanz, super!
@CRAGLORD
@CRAGLORD 3 ай бұрын
thx for the mods and advice! Ill def do these mods.... if i can ever fix the jello issue. I feel bad that you probably had to watch a 30 min flight of vibrations from the jello KING- Helion 10🤮
@Phoenix.-
@Phoenix.- 3 ай бұрын
Oh I'm really sorry for that, did the HQ10X4.5 not work your you? For these demo flights I still use the Gemfans so there is some jello visible, but then I also use a huge battery on the Helion.
@holisticaustralia
@holisticaustralia 3 ай бұрын
😊👍🏻
@DustStep
@DustStep 3 ай бұрын
In Korea, there is a duty to fly visibility, so these long-range drones are unnecessary, but I was surprised by the sensitivity of the antenna. My drone has a limit of 2km, but I'm flying happily
@Phoenix.-
@Phoenix.- 3 ай бұрын
Unfortunately everybody is over-regulated these days. It's such a pity.
@robertotisani3057
@robertotisani3057 3 ай бұрын
ottimo lavoro,ti manca di cambiare antenne,le albatros , sono scarsine io monto le truerc carbon ,fanno tanta differenza🤜💪
@Phoenix.-
@Phoenix.- 3 ай бұрын
Hi Roberto (Translated) Mi fido delle antenne Albatross fino a 13 km da casa (con il giusto pacco batterie 😊), per tutto ciò che va oltre ho una soluzione fai da te. L'obiettivo di queste modifiche era quello di migliorare la portata attraverso il posizionamento dell'antenna senza ulteriori investimenti in antenne nuove e diverse. La pessima ricezione che avete visto in questo test è dovuta all'interferenza del villaggio, ho scelto questa posizione in più per testare la resistenza del segnale a lunga distanza e si è rivelata davvero buona.
@seb-depp
@seb-depp 3 ай бұрын
Wow, riesige Antennen und Akkus. Da dürfte die Helion die 7" deutlich abhängen...
@Phoenix.-
@Phoenix.- 3 ай бұрын
Ja, auf jeden Fall. Das ist kein fairer Vergleich mehr 😉
@christianmong-hansen1835
@christianmong-hansen1835 3 ай бұрын
Nice flight ! what throttle does it have on 2 heavy packs? only 6.5 on stock setup? thats wierd. i did 10km one way with 12 MBPS on my v2 goggles with mjølnir antennas( the best on the marked) and 16mm truerc antennas on stock placement, over heavy interference. no bardpole, just diversity , antennas front and back of the quad 8400 mah li-ion (within the sides of canopy for best aero) 2500 MAH at 10km.
@Phoenix.-
@Phoenix.- 3 ай бұрын
Hi Chris, I was impressed that I actually got as far as 6,5km (friends got less) since at that distance - with the stock mounting - only half bit of the one VTX antenna is still visible. However, your battery test was more impressive: covering 10km with just 2500mAH while 1kg of battery is strapped on, 💪I definitely need to see that, can you please share?
@christianmong-hansen1835
@christianmong-hansen1835 3 ай бұрын
@@Phoenix.- hi bud! 6.5 is not bad ! Yes im also impressed.. the battery is a super lightweight, 849 grams! I can send you links to my setup🤘, i can also send you a vid with osd of 10km, Just have to add it in butter, have not done that yet... to see my osd in Vids. Whats your email/snapchat ect ?😁
@christianmong-hansen1835
@christianmong-hansen1835 3 ай бұрын
At a perfect/mild windless day, i. Normally use 1000-1200 mah at 4km , 2500-2900 at 10km, all depending on the wind /wind direction, and how good im at the throttle and speed and altitude... The best i ever had was 2560 mah at 10km , with 12 mbps. Stock diversity antennas.
@Phoenix.-
@Phoenix.- 3 ай бұрын
@@christianmong-hansen1835 : Thanks! As the vid might be too big for e-mail, you could send it via wetransfer.com/ You can find my e-mail in the "About" section of my channel. Looking forward to it!
@1979Horscht
@1979Horscht 3 ай бұрын
Nice mod. Bist du dir sicher mit rhcp? Ich habe bei iFlight nachgefragt und die haben mir versichert dass auf meiner Helion lhcp antennen verbaut sind. Wollte das klären als ich die TrueRC patch Antennen für die Goggles 2 bestellt habe.
@Phoenix.-
@Phoenix.- 2 ай бұрын
Habe die Antenne nur aufgerichtet und nicht geändert. Die iFlight Albatross Antenne sind normalerweise LHCP.
@towahori
@towahori Ай бұрын
Hello! I have watched your video! It is a great! I also enjoy flying iflight helion10 in Japan! However, I initialized this drone by mistake and now I don't know the PID and other settings. so I can't fly it properly! (iflight does not publish DumpAll for this aircraft) If you could please share with me the betaflight dump all for your helion 10? I am waiting for your reply!
@Phoenix.-
@Phoenix.- Ай бұрын
Hi. Unfortunately I gave away the Helion so I can't do a PID dump, but I will try to get a link from Iflight Europe for you.
@christianmong-hansen1835
@christianmong-hansen1835 3 ай бұрын
did you actually have stock antennas on the goggles ?? or patch antennas ?? if you did 10km with stock antennas, thats super good.
@Phoenix.-
@Phoenix.- 2 ай бұрын
I was on stock on both sides: with the stock Albatross antennas and stock DJI Integra you comfortably go further than that. I did 15km with a chimera and only turned back because I ran out of safe space to continue the flight.
@christianmong-hansen1835
@christianmong-hansen1835 2 ай бұрын
@@Phoenix.- then its really good ! i did 23.4 km totally with the helion last week. with the 16ah battery from dark lithium. have goggles 2 osd from it !
@Ghanzo
@Ghanzo 3 ай бұрын
Looks like my comment was deleted because I posted a link, but I still just want to know what I have to buy to set my drone up like this. I know very little about drones, and don’t really know what to buy. Iflight has a helion 10 package with a controller a drone and goggles but then I still need antanae and to choose a freq band. Any suggestions?
@Phoenix.-
@Phoenix.- 3 ай бұрын
I didn't know that youtube deletes links automatically. But anyway, here is what you need. 1. 5.8Ghz U.FL to RP-SMA 90° pigtails you need 2 of them for the 2 antennas and they need to be 22cm long so that they can fit all the way. They must be 90° otherwise you will not have enough space inside for the straight ones. 2. BardPole 868MHz SMA (850MHz-890MHz) 28cm long If you live in Europe, if not: get one suited to your region (BARDpole 915 Mhz would be another). 3. A 20cm U.FL to SMA pigtail for the BARDpole. Hope that helps.
@Ghanzo
@Ghanzo 3 ай бұрын
@@Phoenix.- Thank you for the reply help me out here, what should I select Receiver Option (For Long-Range Compatibility): [ ] No additional receiver [X] iFlight ELRS 868/915MHz RX (Recommended for long-range flights, compatible with BardPole 868/915MHz antenna) [ ] iFlight ELRS 2.4GHz RX [ ] TBS Crossfire NANO RX [ ] TBS Crossfire Diversity NANO RX Radio Control (To Match Receiver): [ ] Commando 8 ELRS Radio 2.4GHz V2 [X] Commando 8 ELRS Radio 868/915 MHz V2 (Recommended to match the iFlight ELRS 868/915MHz RX for optimal long-range performance) [ ] Other (Please specify if any other radio control is recommended) Additional Parts (For Long-Range Flight Setup): [ ] Battery Plate x 1pc [ ] GEMFAN 1050 Prop x 4pcs [ ] 2RAW Slim Gopro 9/10/11/12 Mount x 1pc [ ] HOTA D6 Pro Battery Charger (EU Plug) x 1pc [ ] HOTA D6 Pro Battery Charger (US Plug) x 1pc LED Mod (Optional for Aesthetics): [ ] Helion LED Mod Lava Orange [ ] Helion LED Mod Arctic Blue Battery Recommendation (For optimal performance): [ ] Fullsend 6S 5600mAh Battery XT90 x 1pc [ ] Fullsend 6S 8000mAh Li-on Battery XT60 x 1pc Im sorry im still a bit confused, what should I select on the site, and what else do I need when starting from nothing, ill get the goggles 2 as well thanks
@Phoenix.-
@Phoenix.- 3 ай бұрын
@@Ghanzo I hope I’m not too late with the reply: Here is what you need from the list: Receiver [X] iFlight ELRS 868/915MHz RX (Recommended for long-range flights, compatible with BardPole 868/915MHz antenna) Radio Control: Commando 8 ELRS Radio 868/915 MHz V2 Props (extra set) GEMFAN 1050 Prop x 4pcs Battery: Fullsend 6S 5600mAh Battery XT90 x 1pc Goggles: Wait for the new Goggle 3 coming out soon 😊 Hope this helps
@Ghanzo
@Ghanzo 3 ай бұрын
​@@Phoenix.- super helpful, thanks my dude! I'm going to wait for the goggles 3, I think thats a great idea, i didnt even know they were coming out, the cameras in the front will be a big deal. everything you said to do seems to be one of the options I can choose on the iflight site, and so I think ill follow your advice there a few questions though, the antennae, when ordering the helion 10 from iflight, one of the suggested extra purchases is 5.8 albatross 150 mm antanae. Should I get these too? also, and this is a aside question, its from a video I saw where he modded a helion 10 to get more range, and it looked like he put 3 antennae on it and they were longer, do you know what this is and would you suggest it? Would it be easy and cheap to upgrade to this? ok last question does that controller work for the simulators that I could run on my computer to learn how to fly?
@pajdal
@pajdal 3 күн бұрын
May I ask you about your settings of the O3 unit? I mean frequency, band width and channel? Why you start only on 25Mbs, why not 50…? Related to long range. Thanks
@Phoenix.-
@Phoenix.- 2 күн бұрын
Hi Pajdal Thanks for your question. The signal bandwidth is set at 20Mhz, ergo the 25Mbps you see. The channel is manually selection from whatever is best that's provided in the goggles. The choice of 20Mhz is a personal one: The 20Mhz setting is easy to read and predict (at 25Mbps you have perfect connection and at 0 you have no connection). This is always the case with the 50Mzh setting: sometimes you loose connection at 10 or 5 Mbps.
@pajdal
@pajdal Күн бұрын
@@Phoenix.- thank you very much for your answer, did you do some range test between 20Mhz and 50Mhz setting?
@freespirit2129
@freespirit2129 3 ай бұрын
i have helion 10 and chimera 7 pro v2 but with the same o3 with fcc vtx power i get lower mbps with helion 10… i am thinking the stock albatross antenna that iflight gives is rhcp not lhcp… it seems u also have the same issue: u are like 1.2km away and ur mbps drops from 25 to less than 10… (and is there a reason why u fly with no hd 50mbps but 25mbps max?). My chimera 7 pro v2 is moded like ur helion: one horizontal tbs t antenna and a bardpole at the back between the two triumph pro long range 130mm vtx antennas. My chimera 7 pro v2 can cover like 7km range easy with dji goggles v2 with 9dbi crystah hd patch and two stubbies antenna but my helion cant…hmm i am buying lhcp albatross right now and will test it
@freespirit2129
@freespirit2129 3 ай бұрын
ah damn i just checked the antenna for my helion 10 and it already says LHCP… damn zzz
@Phoenix.-
@Phoenix.- 3 ай бұрын
Hi The problem in my case was heavy interference from the village at the time of the test, has little to do with antennas chosen, they are usually just fine for 10 - 12km from home.
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