Ok, just got the part about the palm. That’s what is killing me. I’ve been watching your videos obsessively because I’m very interested in this approach. I was getting so frustrated on the range today because I thought I had to keep the grip in my palm. So glad I watched this video. I’m going back to my interlock grip and focus on the other parts of the swing. Thanks for this great info and I look forward to learning more.

Todd - I'm sure it seems repetitive to keep revisiting some of these topics, but your last two videos on the grip resulted in two of my best days at the range this year. I realized I was gripping too hard with my trail hand. Taking it “along for the ride” made a major difference in the consistency of my contact, direction and distance. 90% of my shots were solid and true, and I know what I was doing wrong on the other 10%. Keep up the good work, and thanks for the little tidbits that turn into light bulbs for those of us who are trying to turn our golf game around.

The more you produce the more I learn 👍🏼

I know you think that you have been over this explanation many times but this is the 1st time I've heard it so completely explained. Thank you very much.

Honestly, the best explanation of the golf grip out there. Best golf content swing content.

Good Morning Todd I could really feel your frustration but as a top level coach in another sport I know the value of repeating ad nauseum the basic fundamentals of mechanics. Truly this video, while you may think it repetitious, through your obvious frustration was exactly what many will need to sit up and really take notice of this essential fundamental. Keep up the great work! Loving the single plane swing - loving your videos! Dan

Thanks Todd it has been since before COVID that I attended your Academy. At 72 I am enjoying the game despite not being skilled enough to reproduce your moves. When I first invested in the Natural Golf package decades ago(I was playing very little golf then and thought there was some magic trick so I could shoot 80!!). It made some sense that achieving a single plane was more possible(with less strain on the wrist joint from excessive ulnar deviation) to put the butt of the clubb in the valley between the thenar and hypothenar eminences. That is what I think you mean when saying ‘palm grip and the club is more in line with the radius and ulna of the lead arm with less ulnar deviation. That puts the axis of the swing closer to the lead shoulder joint than the middle of the thorax. You teach the latter and to me it feels better so I now hold the butt of the club on the lower side of the hypothenar eminence and use ulnar deviation to plane the club with a line in the mid thorax. That said know know that there is no magic to golf, it requires a lot of patience and work. Thanks for all you do! Like Moe, it seems that what it feels like I am doing is most likely not what I am actually doing!!

Hi Todd!! A light came on for me with this video today. I would have bet money my grip was in my fingers until I saw the club "angle" you showed today. Thanks so much for showing this again and being patient with those of us that want to swing like you and Moe Norman. Ron Johnson

Thanks Todd..Great demonstration once again!

Great Video. I am one of those people that thought me used a modified putting grip!

Thanks Todd for this video. I watched it at range parking lot and applied it, the results were very very good.

What a great video!!!

Awesome video.

The genius of the Vardon grip (which he copied from Johnny Laidlay) is how it allows the two hands to turn over the club like a hinge pin without the force of the club head mass swinging around them pulling the hands further away from the body than when hanging at address. Moe’s grip did the same thing functionally, allowing the club head mass to turn over and swing down through the ball then up again on a perfectly balanced arc, which in the hands makes the club feel like it is swinging in a groove or on rails because the hands don’t get pulled out away from the body. What Moe did in his grip which was unconventional was start at address with both wrists all the way down into thumb-down ulnar deviation well behind the ball. What that does biomechanically is pull the arms down into a tight V, which counter-torques them against each other with the same “wringing the towel” feeling as Hogan mentioned and illustrated in his book. That gives the arm triangle incredible rigidity and resistance to mid-swing variation and deflection of club face at impact because the thumbs-down orientation of the hands locks the movement of the wrists. I discovered Hogan did the same thing but a different way, waggling his club down in his hands and locking arms and hands just as his club face picked up the ball. That locking of the wrists occurs when the club force is allowed to pull both hands to maximum ulnar deviation. What happens next is that the club head force acting on the toe the club shaft rotationally forces the hands to turn over, whipping the face closed very rapidly. The club then gets pulled upward in the direction the toe (and force vector) are pointing. That explains the physics underlying Moe’s very high finish swing plane, one quite similar to that of Harry Frankenberg (aka Count Yogi) who let club force pull hands down into maxed-out unlar deviation before impact. Compared to the conventional TGM (The Golf Machine) inspired “lag and drag” swing allowing the club to swing down to the point it locks the wrists BEFORE impact results in more club head acceleration and F=1/2(Mass x Velocity^2) striking force and more consistent ball striking because of the rigidity that thumbs-down orientation produces in the hands and arms. Moe, Hogan and Frankenberg all seemed to independently discover that cause and effect which produces very powerful, dead straight shots nearly effortless and create distinctly different looking swings around it. But the underlying physics in all three of them are similar.

Interesting conversation on the overlap versus 10 finger grips. With all due respect, I have chosen the 10 finger grip for over 45 years and will continue to stay that way. My clubs are longer anyway, due to my long legs and average length arms at 6'6" tall. I tried the interlocking and overlap and hated them. That said, I appreciate the information to help me make better decisions on various aspects of the game. As for throwing a pitch, or throwing a baseball in general, I actually used my middle finger for maximum speed of my pitches. I tried throwing other ways and wasn't as effective.

Thanks for this explanation…I can hear the frustration in your voice regarding the grip and how Moe “ supposedly “ held the club. This as you know goes back to the Natural Golf videos, which I have and J k ( you know who..) insisting that Moe held the club in the palms. Early photos of Moe clearly show this was NOT the case. However people bought into the theory, I for one did (for a period of time,) but gave up. As you clearly stated , no leverage led to much shorter distances. Later on I discovered that by placing the club more in the fingers in the trail hand vastly improved the strike and distance. Your spot on in your evaluation. Thanks for the videos and explanations of the TRUE Moe Norman swing. Cheers from a new subscriber ( and fan of Moe for many years) in Nova Scotia.

Very helpful explanation of why you don't want the club in the palm (Capitate bone). I think my main confusion about the wrists is whether they radial deviate or extend, or both in the backswing? By the way, I love the simplicity of the single plane swing!! I'm so much more confident standing over the ball at address. I can't wait for the school.

Hi Todd, thank you so much for your teaching. Does and interlock grip work with a single plane swing?

Hi Todd. at least you never tried to hide your frustration but thanks a million for this - there was one teeny thing you emphasized that I had not picked up earlier and it made a big impact on me "and" my trail hand grip - can't wait to try it on the range since it already "feels" better just with the drills

Awesome video!

I must be the exception/anomaly for the grip. I have standard size grips ( tour velvet ) And I use the interlocking grip. Just feels comfortable and secure for me. Thanks Todd.

Thanks for the excellent advice! I was wondering what Moe meant when he said held the club in the palm and you cleared that up nicely! 😢

Good info

Great videos. Im just getting into golf but my buddy who is helping me is a 100 percent single plane guy and is absolutely amazing at the game. My question is how agout a interlock grip? I started the first 18 weeks of learning that way before i went to him to teach me the single plane style. Thank for all the help

Todd - I think I'm going to be taking off my Jumbomax medium grips now that I've seen this video. I attended your 3 day school in Oklahoma in August and met you. Learned a lot about the single plane swing, pitching and putting which has already helped my game. This tip may help it improve anymore because I do fight the fade and squaring the club head with the oversized grips.

Eu uso dez dedos!!!! Muito boa a explicação!!!!

Hi Todd Many female golfers have small wrists and often use a very strong lead hand grip position. For people who have tendon issues and like to have the ulnar and radius more stacked in line with club delivery...ala axe blow...what do you suggest when the weak MN grip allows club face delivery and impact absorption problems?

Due to bone spurs on my fingers, I switched from overlap to 10-finger and use a slightly larger grip. Given that, what can I do to increase my swing speed?

I have been learning, and using the single plane swing, with very good results, straight and solid. I've kept the interlocking grip I've always had, but hold the club at the bottom of the fingers. Do I need to change the grip?

Let me say this, grabbing it like a baseball bat, hockey stick, tennis racket so on has changed my golf swing for the very best golf I've ever played. You can grip the club like you normally do but the just move the thumb. Gain huge difference as well.

Hail Todd! ...................great explanation!

Is there a way to determine the right size of the grip? Like a measurement or chart?

I have been watching you and Moe's perspectives for a bit. I feel like the natural place is more towards the fingers. Hope I didn't butcher that, but when Moe talkes about grip, it is as YOU described...more nestled towards the fingers? Ye? And the trail hand slightly hugging the thumb? My inadequate thoughts here. I love some Moe!!!

I enjoy watching your videos on course play,is there going to be a Todd vs Tim on course play to get both of your perspectives on the single plane swing.This is great .Thanks Todd

The older I get the more sense it makes for me to pursue this method. My question with the right hand part of the grip is... How are golfers getting the grip into the extreme palm of their right hand if their left thumb is on the shaft between the club and the right hand? If I use this method my left hand tends to be more in the palm where the right hand is forced to get away from the palm by the left thumb. I hope that makes sense. After years of following the "hold your club in the fingers" method I found that as it got harder for my old body to rotate that I began to flip the club more. Assuming I am doing the Moe Norman grip correctly it almost automatically fixed that issue. I am still capable of flipping the club but this grip makes it much less likely and much less extreme. With the Moe Norman grip I am more likely to pull the ball if anything and much less likely to lose one to the right. It is a comfort to know that I am almost incapable of slicing or pushing the ball. If the shot calls for a fade or a slice I go back to the finger grip allowing the club face to open at impact.

Hey Todd, if your looking for video ideas, how about a summary of feelings that help, like the trail foot,club face tip and the replace left shoulder right shoulder etc. I'm sure there's a few I've overlooked. Cheers, Neil.

Todd, I'm right handed and play right handed. Moe said his right hand did nothing, and it merely went along for the ride. I have a hard time with that. I hit good shots but lack distance. Is my right hand holding me back on distance? My grip pressure is about a 4 or 5 on a scale of 1 to 10.

Great video again. Yes agree overlap or 10 finger will work fine with the swing method. I went to 10 finger to not feel bunched up - and now overlap feels odd. See YT video: 1994 Moe Norman golf swing demo - Interview Part 1 at 5min mark for palm talk by Moe. Part 2 video at 15min mark for 10 finger grip talk. Left hand definitely conventional, but right hand is to me a balance of palm/fingers - not too much of either.

Todd,I notice a trace of frustration in your voice,mainly at yourself for not finding the right words to explain to everyone,once and for all, finally to lay this matter to rest without hearing again those words (but Moe said-- --)

Can or should you interlock your grip?

are there any course videos of Todd vs another player with shot tracer? just want to see how consistent Todd is in a real game

When I try this swing with my irons I seem to always top the ball. I am 6”3 using regular sized irons so maybe I need longer clubs?

Like the Bobby Clampett grip clamp? Or the Palm Tree grip?😅

Hey Todd I guess the confusion comes because Moe said he held the club in the palm like a tennis player or a hockey player because that was where the meat was. Was this something he felt but he didn’t really do.

If someone (eg. me) likes to use the 10 finger grip, will you recommend having the clubs made 1/2 to 1 inch longer and of course lie angle adjusted accordingly? Thanks

I've probably been using too large of grips, but I've used smaller grips as well. And whether it's single plane or conventional technique, I still have a tendency to strike with the face open. No issues with distance. To fight the fade, I can sorta throw/dump the club hard under plane before impact, but it's very disorienting, tends to chunk and hook, feels like I'm swinging at the ground and not through the ball. I can also get handsy with a normal swing, but then it's still not easy to get it right. I've been doing something with my right hand that seems to work, but it also seems counter to the things Moe said.

Thank you for all your amazing work helping the public, but I have some constructive criticism to offer (unasked) from my personal perspective. Shorter and more concise videos would reach more people in my opinion.

Lead hand palm, right hand fingers! Moe was also under the plane on the back swing moving OTT back on plane coming down. The correct and natural way to swing the club.

When you get arthritis in your fingers and it’s painful with smaller grips larger or jumbo grips is the only way you can continue to play golf. I’ve had three joints replaced and I can still shoot mid 80s using jumbo grips.

Hey Todd, I’m 67 and recently went to a 10 finger grip, and my distance didn’t change much. I’m still hitting 8 iron 150. My question to you is, do you have any tips for a lefty that swings right? Thanks, Chip

Can you advise how to determine what is the correct size grip?

Hey Todd I understand what you are saying but how did Moe get those thick calluses in the palm of his left hand gripping the club in his finders? Please explain.

Wow! I think I got it.

Hi Todd, does the interlock grip work with the single plane swing?

I’m not sure how it’s possible to use an overlap/vardon grip and have the club in the lifeline of the right hand. It seems like the left index finger would get in the way of seating the lifeline firmly on the club. I think you and some other instructors prefer the overlap grip, but I’m not sure why because it seems like a 10 finger grip pressures the shaft better. Please explain.

Question…do you have your clubs lie angle flattened out?

🫵😎Todd. Baseball pitchers place the ball onto their fingers as well to maximize speed and shape of pitch. Many times you have to brake out small parts of your grip to see the effects it has on leverage as you said. Unfortunately it’s easy to pick up poor habits from good meaning friends or from practicing with a faulted grip which leads into other swing manipulations over time. Perfectly said regarding the needed to have proper fit grips on hopefully proper fitted clubs. I like how your grips and Moe’s maintain a constant thickness from top to bottom rather then tapering. Consistency makes things optimal. Great video 👍

Man I’m so confused. As a beginner this is way over my head.

For me it almost feels like the palm of the trail hand isn’t even touching the club since the pressure is in the lever. As far as distance I gained distance with this swing.

I swing easy and hit 3 wood 280 or more while adapting to the model . It try not to force it and just let my natural power play

Thanks Todd, breathe buddy breathe 😎🏌🏼‍♂️

Is interlock ok

What the size sir ? Midsize golfpride grip ?

Surely Moe held the club in the palm of his right hand?

Jim Furyk's grip is a double overlap. His motion doesn't produce a lot of speed though.

Hitting shorter doesn’t matter. If you can hit it where you want to.

I have looked at 3 of these videos I am totally giving up. The video title makes you think it's a fairly straightforward tutorial on the grip but this guy is totally insane. "grip, axis of shaft, hinge, leverage angle, loss of angle, palm, shifting axis, speed in a non rotational fashion".

I switched from conventional to SPS for my back. Now I play pain-free. I went from a 6 handicap that had trouble finishing 18 holes to a 6 handicap that can play 36 with no need for pills or ice. I could not have done it without the GGA, their club-fitting, their clubs, their video analysis and instructional (drills) coaching advice. Best money that I ever spent, golf-wise. I shot a 78 yesterday and our winter-killed greens are STILL unputtable. I put the ball in the fairway and the approach shots on the green with regularity. No more army golf for me. :)

I can’t see

Why did you edit the rant part when you say palm, palm, palm. I wanted to see your true nature on the subject 😂

i think it was very clear on mo's cljnics that he was holding it on his palm.. reason behind is to prevent any other movement the wrist will do...

The first half of this video you keep changing the sub topics; very confusing. Then, the camera is way too far away from your hands to see them clearly at all.

Dude I never even heard of single plain blah blah. So negative,I don’t even want to see anything else. Only reason I watched was because you mentioned Bryson D. And I have noticed his grip. Terrible personality

Get to the point. You ramble all over the place!