I've followed RC SPROUL for over 20 years now. Recently I discovered Doug Wilson. He's keeping me sane in an insane world, especially since SPROUL is no longer with us. I am happy to see them interact together. I love it!

Very valiuable advice to all the believers in Christ. Thanks to all the 4 panelists and the Ligonier ministries.

All the panelist’s- wonderful job. I have learned so much! Praise God and thank you!

What a panel. Mohler has shaped my thinking less, but the other three the most!

Those are LEGENDS up there. Thanks so much for sharing.

This conversation seems much better than last time I remember.

R C Sproul the best ! He is way a head off his time ! Glory to Christ to give us such a teacher !

How have I never seen this panel with these four?!

Really appreciate Wilson’s and Sproul’s comments. Both nailed it. Regarding Piper’s response: I understand to a degree where he’s coming from, however, it’s not really our place to inspect the eyes of our brethren to see if they’re “tearful” enough when they refute error or heresy in God’s church. I’m not a fan of Christians who made it their hobby to acerbically find fault, but we do need watchmen in Zion, and they better not be at ease. I would encourage Piper to think about how seemingly uncouth and often cutting a Luther or a Knox would be in the midst of enemies outside the church, or their dealing with foolishness within the church. These men and reformers like them did not hold back.

"Manifest tenderness"...thank you John Piper :)

Thanks, good principles!

Wow, what a fantastic panel! It is just a shame it was just too short. I understand now why in the future they allow this segment to be longer.

It is so true, if we really are truly redeemed from our old self being in the word is never boring, in fact we hunger for the word of GOD. I came from a community church where 90 percent of the time is dissecting the word of God. In the US church I now attend, there is only 25 minutes for the sermon and sometimes the sermons are centered on experiences and not the word of God and what it means for a Christian to abide in it.

A good answer to the tender and tough question can be picked up from CS Lewis' Screwtape Letter. In his preface to the book, Lewis warns the reader about how he had to stop writing the letters at some point because he had to almost get into Screwtape's head. It is a dangerous thing indeed.

Doug nails it. So does RC in his follow up comments.

Douglas Wilson looks exactly the same 16 years later..

I wish I knew how to capture Pastor Wilsons answer about Imitating Christ this needs to be spread all over the web!!

This is the theological Mount Rushmore. the only person missing is MacArthur. God will maintain his remnant down through the generations. Soli Deo Gloria !!!

Break life down to needs and wants that simplifies

Doug Wilson had one of the great mic drops when he spoke

Living in light of eternity and the preciousness of time makes life simple. God being the only one we desire to please makes life simple. Pleasing a phonebook of people is hard and complicated. Putting the label of "FOREVER" on anything and everything makes life complicated.

"In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness. Besides those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches." "And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, than I am strong." (2 Corinthians 11:27-28; 12:9-10)

I get it. If you are starving to death and no shelter and you truly believe, pray, have Faith and realize the transforming you will rise to the occasion. The LORD said I have fed you, given you clothes shoes. If you pray, love me, wait for me you shall not want. Glory to God. Amen. What do you need, not what you want. Amen Glory to God. Yes, DR. Sproul, My treasure is my LORD. Amen. I miss you.

Good to see Douglas Wilson in this panel because he is really a gift. And Al Mohler is an amazing teacher and theologian that is all but forgotten now. Piper writes well but is a bit troubling especially as of late.

Good stuff from all,but i think Doug Wilson and RC gave the wwjd subject a very good and needed balanced treatment

And all of them r so eminent and well respected and yet openly viewing opinions that do not necessarily agree 100%.

I'm happy Sproul added the last word on the Piper/ Wilson debate. I think he got it right- Wilson was right.

More spine, fewer tears.

If you'd have shown Mohler the trajectory of the SBC... I wonder if he'd have done anything to avoid it.

2 Timothy 2:24 (please read in context), says the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone...correcting his opponents with gentleness. and 1 Peter 3:15 - being prepared to make a defense to anyone...with gentleness and respect.

The best any leader in Christianity can hope to aspire to is to be a vessel that God can use. Nothing more nothing less. Life giving water can flow from a silver jug or ceramic or ordinary clay pot. Not important. All that matters is the water. Best source of spiritual nourishment is the Bible.

Piper's warning was perfect👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

Where was I 8 years ago that I didnt see this !? Its soooo easy to be distracted with vanity in day to day life.

Following Christ is "simpler" (John 8:12).

So Piper wants you to "see the tears" in a newsletter?

Tonight our family just read Luke ch. 21 and in that chapter Jesus draws attention to a woman who is poor, and she puts into the church treasury box 2 small copper coins. He told his disciples that she put in more than all the rich who gave out of their wealth, while she gave “all she had to live on”. This account is meant to shame us very much.

Hmm... John Piper putting style over truth. 24:02 There's something inherently deceptive about this style.

Mathew 7:1-3

4:45 tithing.. Did I miss something when I studied the New Testament? Did Paul forget to tell us about a tithe?.. He says we're robbing God, taken from Malachi..

I'm not very good at math; but, I'm pretty sure that “the largest amount of questions” is always “the majority of wuestions”; so, you really didn't need to “differentiate” between the two.

wow john piper looked older back then.

32:40

Investment in the kingdom of God-YES! But not to denominational franchises. Poor, needy, widows, orphans not religious kingdoms.

It is to be noted whenever videos like this get commentary of criticism to Calvinism or any other Reformed position from individuals (other professions Christians) that often say things like "all" making grand unclear or broad statements, themselves completely out of context. Wide ranging comments do the kingdom no good. Pick a doctrine or theological issue to contend with and we can do as the Lord has instructed thru Paul (and others) and we can come and reason together. Hopefully to the glory of God and not our own vain purposes.

27:27 I don't know why you're clapping...

Good point. Do we know who Jesus is?

Why doesn't Doug do these question answer panels anymore.

Why is Pastor Wilson no longer participating in these events?

Sproul is right on target. Wilson is still the same on topics. Mohler has become somewhat ambiguous. Piper is still about feelings and has courted CRT. It's no wonder the state of decline in the USA Church.

we have been spending almost all the money we take in on ourselves. you will get more money when you begin spreading the gospel instead of building buildings

I agree with the thoughts of investing in the kingdom but when I look at pastors that live better than me and wearing nicer suits than me I’m wondering hmm something doesn’t look right here. Am I wrong?

Is John Piper still alive? Striking personality

If it is true, according to Sproul that, "One of the greatest barriers to extending the kingdom of God are the financial limits" than it is no longer the work of God but rather the work of man dependent on the 4% who give their tithes. This was not true in OT times, this was not true in NT times, it was not true during the Protestant Reformation and it is not true today. The work of the Kingdom of God are not limited to man and his money. God's kingdom and His Work are established and extended according to God's eternal counsel according to His Sovereignty and by His All Wise, Omnipotent Providence in Election, Reprobation and Predestination. (Romans Chapters 8-9) (Ephesians Chapters 1-2) (1Peter 1-2) For by Grace are ye saved THROUGH Faith; and that NOT OF YOURSELVES: it is the Gift of God: NOT of works, lest any man should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus UNTO good works, which GOD hath before ordained that we should walk in them. God's Grace does not make a man vain and profane but fruitful, grateful and thankful. This is all of GOD. All by God’s Grace And All for God's Glory.

Okay. 30 odd yrs. I've been listening to John Piper. It is preposterous to ask this man for a simple answer. Hear now. O-PEN-ING an En-v-lope has 4 steps and an ontological purpose. Feeding the dawwg...sends him to the study to check the Westminster Confession : How dogs...most properly serve the glory of God. Answer: Ruff Greens "Ruff Greens?! Got none. Call a deacon. "Where's the grocery store for dawwgs?! I have a Cay- nine Crisis. God is testing my resourcefulness. There are no simple answers.

The sad part about Martin Luther is he became anti Semitic .... I don't understand why

Sprouls point on Christian worship has aged tremendously.

"as John Piper can tell us..." 😂😂 Unfortunately hasn't John Piper jumped on the "social justice" bandwagon?

For me, besides John, MacArthur’s ministry, I can’t think of many organizations or ministries. I would want to give them money to now. I don’t think they can be trusted to support God’s word. Anyone else feel like that?

Of course like the one who put on the first comment, those are Legends up there! Yes they are legends of wolves in sheep clothing that had an early start beginning in the first century of the Church Age!!! From the early times of the Church Age, they were able to enter unknowingly into flocks of disciples, ( students of the Word ) not yet being converted and saved yet. And if these wolves were and are as wise as a Serpent, they know how to deceive most of the human race by going along with the preaching of the truth in the letter of the Word in scriptures!!! The verse that says, the letter kills but the Spirit gives life is not really understood by the still lost and blind because the letters of the Word in scriptures is Jesus, the Christ who created everything! Without Him there would be nothing created!!! In other words, preaching and having knowledge of scriptures does not surely mean you are saved. Lucifer, Satan knows his time is very short. How do you think he knows that?

TITHING IS NOT A NEW COVENANT CONCEPT. maybe people would give more if spending was tied to the NEW COVENANT and not buildings & bureaucracies

Tim winn this is actually what I want you to see-- follow scrioture and not men? This is Dave Hunts quote; Now let me quote Calvin: “...at whatever time we are baptised, we are washed and purified once for the whole life...we must...recall our baptism...so as to feel certain and secure of the remission of sins...it wipes and washes away all our defilements” (IV: xv, 3). Again: “God in baptism promises the remission of sins, and will undoubtedly perform what he has promised to all believers. That promise was offered to us in baptism, let us therefore embrace it in faith” (IV: xxv, 17). And, “We have...a similar promise given to the fathers in circumcision, similar to that which is given to us in baptism...the forgiveness of sins and the mortification of the flesh....We deny...that...the power of God cannot regenerate infants....Let God, then, be demanded why he ordered circumcision to be performed on the bodies of infants...by baptism we are ingrafted into the body of Christ (1 Cor xii.13). [Therefore] infants...are to be baptised...” (IV: xv, 22; xvi, 3, 4, 8, 10, 17-32). I give these quotes in What Love Is This? on pp. 41, 388, 430, among others, and I hold Calvin to these statements. This is a Catholic [3] dogma, yet it was carried over into many “reformed” churches and remains there today. Furthermore, Calvin never tells of the moment that he renounced the false gospel of Catholicism [3] and believed the true gospel. He extols the sacraments, says they can be performed only by the clergy (including Roman Catholic [3]), and accepts infant baptism by a Catholic [3] priest as efficacious. If he ever renounced Catholicism [3]’s false gospel, when did this occur? And how could he have, considering that he banned from Geneva(1537) and persecuted the Anabaptists who, though raised Catholics, believed the biblical gospel and as a result were born again and baptized as believers? The fact that Calvin was only baptized once-as an infant-and that he persecuted as heretics those who were baptized as believers, contradicts entirely what you think the quotations you cite mean. Moreover, one of the two charges (brought to the court by Calvin himself) for which Servetus was burned at the stake was his rejection of infant baptism for salvation [2]. Calvin goes into great detail justifying this charge against Servetus and repeatedly scorning Servetus for rejecting the efficacy of infant baptism for salvation [2]. Please read again pages 79-85 of What Love Is This? where I cover the subject thoroughly.

How could anyone hate on RC? Well, other than #pedobaptism, of course. ;)

If these men are thieves then it ought to be easy to point out their sin and confront them in it. Slander and lies are another sin and I would warn my brothers and sisters in Christ to avoid being tempted to commit these against other Kingdom citizens.

Now I can see that mohler is just parroting RC sproul.

Wow, is Piper talking like a wimp at the end? Lord forbid. I think there is a different way we treat other believers and another way we treat those who don't believe in their arrogance,

Piper what a great charismatic preacher. I understand why he is the preeminent Calvinist of our time. ( 5 points and TULIP and all that jazz). He is quoted much along with Spurgeon and Sproul but they did not write scripture and they don’t preach the Gospel which means good news. They do not believe God meant what He said. Out of the mouth of Christ John 3:16. They don’t believe He meant that. He really meant He only died for “the elect” chosen before time and the non elect be damned before time by God to show His Glory. God is love, God loves you NO you can’t say that because God hates the non elect and there is nothing they can do about it. They use a text “Jacob I loved, Esau I hated” to prove it but they take it out of context and don’t go back to the original quote in the Old Testament. God does not lie or try to trick us with words. He meant what He said. Brothers and sisters pray the Holy Spirit opens the word to you so you can truly see Jesus and the sovereign love of God. Go and tell the WORLD of Christ love and what He has done for them. May the love of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you and in you. Pray for discernment

if the old testament is the only proof of the new testament , then jesus , has failed in his mission ! we have to stop making them in one single book .

Ministers talk about tithings to the church, but they forget how well they live compared to their parishioners and how they steal or rob God worst than a non-tither. These men sell God for their own profit and their reward will be just.

Actually the legends are: ravi zacaraias, william lane craig, and steve gregg, neither are calvinist.

While Piper has many admirable qualities, his rebuke of Wilson should have been done privately. Piper’s call for simplifying ourselves economically reeks of hypocrisy when he sits on a net worth of $1-$5 million.

They hate Moses until it comes to tithing then they are all legalists. What hypocrites.

Piper himself went and invited promoted seeker sensitive pastors in his conferences. Hypocrisy.