2THESS 2:1. Now we beseech you, brethren , by the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ ( before Jesus Christ comes in the clouds of glory, His coming in His saints it's called the epiphanie a corporate body of the man - child ministry, the 2 witnesses to minister to the church in the tribulation Rev 12:5,6; 2Thess 1:10, Hos 6:1-3; psalm 149:5-9; Isa 60:1,2; Acts 2:16-21; Rev 10:9-11; to preach the everlasting gospel to all creation ), and by our gathering together unto Him ( we gather unto Jesus Christ not religion nor denominations or man ) 2. That ye be not soon shaken in mind ( that's your soul area ), or be troubled, neither by spirit (wrong revelation, doctrines of demons , religious spirits , anti-christ spirit 1Jn 4:1-6; 2Jn verse 7; 2Pet 2:1-3; 1Tim 4:1 ), nor by word ( what's being preached, or taught, Lk 8:15. Jesus told His disciples to be careful with the leaven of the pharisees those are the preacher's of today, and to be careful with the leaven of herod that's your government ), nor by letter ( books, magazine's ,tracks ), as from us, as that the day of the Lord is at hand. 3. Let no man ( preacher, pastor, teacher, false prophet ) deceive ( beguile, trick you, tickle your ear ) by any means: for that day shall not come ( the coming of the Lord ), Except there come a falling away first ( Apostasy defecting from the truth, a great rebellion. 1Tim4:1; 2Tim3:1-5; 2Pet 2:3; Jude 18; Jn 6:66=666) , and the man of sin ( inside of each of us is the man of sin it's called the old man ) be revealed the son of perdition ( Judas iscariot was called the son of perdition by Jesus in Jn 17:12; Jn 13:26,27 SOP means son of perdition or destruction ). 4.Who opposeth and exalteth himself ( we must not exalt Self, the old man, the carnal man, the earthly man, the devilish man, the beastly nature of man, psalms 73:22 King David said , So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee. We must deny Self, Matt 10:38,39; and die to Self the old man has to be crucified, the book of Roman's is the 6th book in the NT, chapter 6, and verse 6=666, the old man has to be crucified, so the born again, spiritual man, born from above. Christ in you the hope of glory rules your temple) above all that is called God, or is worshipped ( man likes to be worshipped, Self likes to be worshipped, false prophets, pastors, teachers, false apostles, Christian artists, even people in the secular world etc. Just like Lucifer Isa 14:13,14; Ezek 28:1-9; 2Tim 3:1-5; 2Cor 11-1-15 ); so he as God sitteth( look where he sitteth )in the temple of God ( we are the temple of God, God does not dwell in temples made with human hands, our spiritual man is the Holy of holies, the soul is the Holy place, the body is the outer court, Acts 17:24,25; 1Cor 3:16,17; ), shewing himself ( there's that word Self ) that he is God.5. Remember ye not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things ( the apostle Paul always warned the church of Christ Jesus ) ? 6. And now ye know what withholdeth ( restraineth means to hold back ) that he ( the son of perdition ) might be revealed in his time ( let's go back to verse 3 and will see when the son of perdition will be revealed at the falling away first ).7. For the mystery of iniquity ( lawlessness ) doth already work ( it was already working in Paul's day ): only he ( the Holy Ghost ) who now letteth will let, until he ( the son of perdition ) be taken out of the way, or come out of the midst ( it's a corporate body of son of perdition in the temple of Christ spiritualy speaking, just as Judas iscariot was, the disciples didn't have a clue it was Judas iscariot until he betrayed Jesus Christ with a kiss, when he dip the Sop into the dish satan entered him, and history is going to repeat itself again, the sons of perdition are going to betray the brothers to death. Matt 24:9,10 ) 8. And then shall that Wicked be revealed ( in the NT, they are corporate bodies, Jesus has His body and that's the true church in means called out one's out of religious babylonian churches . Satan also has a body and it's all the children of disobedience among the people of God, the tares, and the goat's, they have a anti christ spirit ). Whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming.9. Even him ( it's a corporate body of false prophets, Jesus said many false prophets not prophet but many would come in His name. Many serve a different Jesus and a different gospel) whose coming is after the working of Satan ( that's his body the sons of perdition 2Cor 11:4,13-15; Gal 1:6-9 )with all power and signs (all kinds of deceptions, and counterfeit,) and lying wonders.( Jesus saidm if it were possible the elect could be deceived )10. And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness( 1Jn 2:15-29; James 4:4 )in them ( the apostate people of God )that perish; because they received not the love of the Truth, ( the real true Gospel , they were spiritually blind to truth Isa 66:4), that they might be saved.11. And for this cause God shall send them a strong delusion, ( listen now ) that they should believe a lie ( such as a pre- rapture ) : That they all might damned who believe not the Truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." My brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus our Lord said He would send the comforter the Holy Ghost and He would be with us and in us, and lead us into all truth. If you have the love of the truth you will not be deceived by the false prophets, and many doctrines of religion and denominations out there. CHRIST IS NOT DIVIDED INTO RELIGION OR DENOMINATIONS. Those are babylonian churches. The Mother Harlot has many daughters, and she and her daughters persecuted Jesus and the apostles and handed them over to be Roman beast of that time. Rev 17:56; Rev 18:24, Matt 23; and history repeats itself again, it's going to happen to the church the body of Christ in the tribulation, if the church believes it or not. You ain't going to fly away, or be raptured up unless you die before the tribulation. The church of Christ Jesus will prevail and come out victoriously and give her life for the Master and Saviour Jesus Christ our Lord. Rev 6:9-11; Rev 13:7; Rev 12:11; and Rev 15:2; Rev 20:4,6l

Believer in what? A rapture or Jesus, the Godman, our Savior? Don't get sucked into a pre trib theory. It's convoluted and unbiblical. Search why post tribulation is true and watch some videos. Search why pre trib is true and watch some videos. Do your homework, learn and think/decide for yourself.

​​@@alranucci7770 pre- trib is absolutely biblical, when you connect various scriptures, it is proof of pre-trib.....I believe you are incorrect in your understanding. I have done my homework, I search and study scripture every day for hours, maybe you should do the same

THE DAY OF THE LORD and the COMING OF THE LORD are the SECOND COMING OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, NOT the time of a pretrib rapture by Jesus. What happens just prior to The DAY OF THE LORD? Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 17 For the GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH has come; and who shall be able to stand? What happens just prior to THE DAY OF THE LORD AND the TIMING of it? Matthew 24:29 “IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. When is the GATHERING/RAPTURE? Matthew 24:30-31 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. In summary: the Rapture is AFTER the great tribulation. The lights on earth and in the sky will all be off with the only LIGHT on being from our LORD JESUS coming with the clouds!! ⚡☁️✝️☁️⬆️

@@randyman1739 you are describing what is to happen, during the tribulation. The rapture of the church and the the day or coming of the Lord is a separate event.... ..

Bless the Lord!

Beautiful! 💖🕊️

Lovely

I appreciate the scriptures you posted. We must pray for the arrogant ones who come against us and trust that God’s will is done. 🙏🏻❤️🙏🏻

passion "translation" is a commentary, not a translation

Amen. As for me and my house. We will Serve the LORD.

@James Mosher and you have said nothing constructive at all HAHA take the plank out of your own eye, FIRST. Instead of Criticizing God's Holy WORD.

God pay you❤

Galatians 6:2 must be amazing in your walk then? Titus 2:14?

@@email6743 I was specifically asking God to help me to practice 2 Timothy 2:15. I am a highly flawed Christian who is trying to learn more and to grow closer to Jesus. I don’t claim to master Scripture, but only to learn from it. The verses you referenced are excellent verses.

in LORD YESHUA CHRIST

The church is going through the tribulation, God's made the tribulation for our good, to trust in Him and not in Egypt. He is separating us from the world 🌎, He is behind the beast kingdom, He is the one bringing in the mark of the beast to force the church into this coming wilderness tribulation. The whole world is going to hate His people, no more help from Egypt. We the Church the called out one's called out of Babylonian churches, are going to be thrust into the mercy and grace of God, and the only thing we really need to be sustained is to repent of our sins and believe His Word. He is Faithful to all His promises, He provided, protected His people in the wilderness, the only ones that didn't enter the Promised Land which is a type of Heaven were the complainers the mummers the one's that didn't believe in God's Word . only Joshua and Caleb and their family entered the Promised Land. We are spiritual Israel in the New Testament, The New Jerusalem .

The church is going through the tribulation, God's made the tribulation for our good, to trust in Him and not in Egypt. He is separating us from the world 🌎, He is behind the beast kingdom, He is the one bringing in the mark of the beast to force the church into this coming wilderness tribulation. The whole world is going to hate His people, no more help from Egypt. We the Church the called out one's called out of Babylonian churches, are going to be thrust into the mercy and grace of God, and the only thing we really need to be sustained is to repent of our sins and believe His Word. He is Faithful to all His promises, He provided, protected His people in the wilderness, the only ones that didn't enter the Promised Land which is a type of Heaven were the complainers the mummers the one's that didn't believe in God's Word . only Joshua and Caleb and their family entered the Promised Land. We are spiritual Israel in the New Testament, The New Jerusalem .

Christians are slaughtered every day bubble dweller For thousands of years😅😅😅😅😅😅

The wrath of God isn’t partitioned all the consequences including the anti christ himself, is God handing over the people to their lusts as punishment. If you want to be here for it soooo bad. Then as you wish! Enjoy!

​@James Mosher Thomas ICE ( pdf) Liberty university Why I believe in pre trib rapture.

@@flemutter7211 do not let man steal your blessed hope.

Very good word!

Roman's 8:9

HaHaHa... But those are SEVEN words!!!

We are saved by simply believing Jesus died for our sins and rose again. If we believe Jesus died for our sins and rose again, then we will hear, "Well done faithful servant"

@@IvanIvanov-vy7pt those are scary seven words...

No…we must allow Him to change us.

How do you do that? Answer: By believing Jesus died for your sins and rose again

Revelation 22:18-19 your salvation hangs in the balance of u teach Bible prophecy.

OK. Well, good luck with that rupture. I guess a rupture is not dissimilar to a rapture … you never know when it’s going to happen. 😏

The secret "rapture" theory was invented by a scared little girl and a man she was in love with in 1830's It is not scriptural. 2 Thess is clear. The 2nd comming happens ONCE and it is only after the anti-christ is revealed. Matthew 24 clarifies more that it comes at the End of the 42 month Trib. Be not decieved. It is very simple and perfectly clear. He who has ears to hear...

​@@williamverdell8856 no. Only if you fall away. Believing pre trib doesn't send you to Hell, you'll just be in a very bad spot (sold into slavery) like Joseph's brothers who did not heed the Pharaoh's dream and prepare

@@kylias7971 maybe u didn't understand what Revelation 22:18-19 is talking about for example. If u say the book of Revelation says something, but when anyone looks for what u said in scripture it's not there, yet u continue to say it says something u can not establish in the word, THEN your adding to scripture. The same goes for taking away from Bible prophecy, it says it, but u continue to say it doesn't, then your taking away from what Bible prophecy teachers, and will not stop, or take correction, THEN Revelation 22:18-19 is applied to u. Your adding to prophecy, or taking away from what it says, and if u will not change when truth is shown to u THEN these scriptures will apply to u and u will be judged according to these scriptures, does that make since to u?

The church is going through the tribulation, God's made the tribulation for our good, to trust in Him and not in Egypt. He is separating us from the world 🌎, He is behind the beast kingdom, He is the one bringing in the mark of the beast to force the church into this coming wilderness tribulation. The whole world is going to hate His people, no more help from Egypt. We the Church the called out one's called out of Babylonian churches, are going to be thrust into the mercy and grace of God, and the only thing we really need to be sustained is to repent of our sins and believe His Word. He is Faithful to all His promises, He provided, protected His people in the wilderness, the only ones that didn't enter the Promised Land which is a type of Heaven were the complainers the mummers the one's that didn't believe in God's Word . only Joshua and Caleb and their family entered the Promised Land. We are spiritual Israel in the New Testament, The New Jerusalem .

Read John 1:1-3 and John 1:14 and tell me how that’s wrong.

God's timeframe for Humanity... 7,000 yrs God's timeframe , 7 day's We are currently at 5,993. Yrs. Tribulation. 7. Yrs. Melennal. 1,000. Yrs. = 7,000. Yrs.

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; *looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;* who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. Titus 2:11‭-‬14

@@jastastica4108 Exactly, we are looking for the glorious appearing of our Great God and Savior, Jesus Christ. At His glorious appearing, *Jesus will resurrect the dead in Christ.* Every eye will see him, even those who pierced him. *_After_* the dead in Christ are raised, we who are alive and remain will be caught up to meet them in the air. The resurrection is key to understanding rapture timing since the resurrection of the dead in Christ must take place *_first_* before anyone living is raptured. 1Thessalonians 4:13-18 and Revelation 20:4-6. 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 (Glorious Appearing) "For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well *_when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire,_* dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, *_when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day,_* and to be marveled at among all who have believed--for our testimony to you was believed."

1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming with the one and only resurrection (John 6: 40-54, 11:24, Rev 20:4-6, 1 Cor 15:52) which is on the last day, last trump. Luke 17:22-36 is the pre-trib rapture without a resurrection. We leave our flesh on earth (verse 37). We get a heavenly body in heaven (2 Cor 5:1-10, 1 Cor 15:40).

​@@boltingpuppies _No one is changed, put on incorruptible body and caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air in Rev 20:4-6,_ which is one parameter of the rapture. Therefore, *Rev 20:4-6 is not the rapture.*

@@JesseMgala Us...in the great tribulation, some sooner, some later...we'll all be tribulation saints if we're all believers in Jesus Christ. It's not God's wrath...it's man's wrath with Anti-Christ as the worst man of them all, possessed by satan. First 4 seals...4 horseMEN....then, Fifth Seal: The Cry of the Martyrs 9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

The church is going through the tribulation, God's made the tribulation for our good, to trust in Him and not in Egypt. He is separating us from the world 🌎, He is behind the beast kingdom, He is the one bringing in the mark of the beast to force the church into this coming wilderness tribulation. The whole world is going to hate His people, no more help from Egypt. We the Church the called out one's called out of Babylonian churches, are going to be thrust into the mercy and grace of God, and the only thing we really need to be sustained is to repent of our sins and believe His Word. He is Faithful to all His promises, He provided, protected His people in the wilderness, the only ones that didn't enter the Promised Land which is a type of Heaven were the complainers the mummers the one's that didn't believe in God's Word . only Joshua and Caleb and their family entered the Promised Land. We are spiritual Israel in the New Testament, The New Jerusalem .

Can you explain more of what you mean by this because I have been receiving something similar in my spirit. However, I am being told that come this summer (2023) that there is a deliverance coming and my worries will be no more. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Well said

That happened in 70 ad,the temple was destroyed and Jerusalem was destroyed just as jesus predicted.

@stereotype its happening AGAIN. GOD is NOT mocked.

They are those who have been saved during the tribulation period.

Right, and they get white robes Revelation 7 17 God wipes away the saints tears Revelation 21 4 God wipes away the bride's tears 100 percent proof that the bride of CHRIST wasn't in the thousand year reign of Jesus John 6 when Jesus was talking about the rapture He said at the Last day Revelation 20 shows two Resurrections One is called the First Resurrection One is at the Last day Revelation 21 The bride of CHRIST gets Fine linen clean and white

Same scriptures say but they repented not instead they cursed the God of heaven...so how can a multitude come from great tribulation yt we are told they repented not.

@@kennedybutiko7651 Revelation 7 14 Only the saints get white robes The bride of CHRIST gets Fine linen clean and white Revelation 7 17 God wipes away the saints tears Revelation 21 4 God wipes away the bride's tears The church/bride is in Heaven and in the dust of the earth until judgment day, the Last day John 6 Jesus says at the Last day four times The thousand year reign of Jesus is a reward for believing in Jesus and overcoming the Mark of the beast. That's why Paul wakes up at the second Resurrection, the one that's called the Resurrection of the dead 1 Corinthians 15 Paul says the Resurrection of the dead four times before verse 51

@@squirreljones3595 pre trib supposes that there are 2 second comings one which is a mystery otherwise when you read scriptures including Matthew 24 Jesus himself stated '"immediately after the tribulation the sun will be darkened, moon stars fall etc and the sign of the Son of man shall appear in the skies.... Indeed even 1 Thessalonians that we luke quoting to prove rupture, the 2nd book of Thessalonian says " let no one deceive you for the end will not come until the man of sin, that son of perdition is revealed.....when is he revealed? Deep into tribulation... So I see no scripture that justifies rupture before trib..... All disciples went through tribulation how do we then claim that God can not allow us to go through it?????? If you deny me I will deny you before my father...the ultimate test fir Christians is coming

How much tribulation do we have to go through before they realize there is tribulation

@@DaNinja60 Indeed. Rev. 7:14 says it clearly.

@@juanperry2059 The Euphrates river is drying up! Few even want to acknowledge that is happening. Russia and China will go nuclear on us. I'm sorry but it's coming and I've watched these days culminate since I was born (under Kennedy as president)

The church is going through the tribulation, God's made the tribulation for our good, to trust in Him and not in Egypt. He is separating us from the world 🌎, He is behind the beast kingdom, He is the one bringing in the mark of the beast to force the church into this coming wilderness tribulation. The whole world is going to hate His people, no more help from Egypt. We the Church the called out one's called out of Babylonian churches, are going to be thrust into the mercy and grace of God, and the only thing we really need to be sustained is to repent of our sins and believe His Word. He is Faithful to all His promises, He provided, protected His people in the wilderness, the only ones that didn't enter the Promised Land which is a type of Heaven were the complainers the mummers the one's that didn't believe in God's Word . only Joshua and Caleb and their family entered the Promised Land. We are spiritual Israel in the New Testament, The New Jerusalem .

No. Watch and prepare. There is no rapture before the resurrection. Rapture is the last thing, lest no flesh be saved, right? Don't worry though. You'll most likely already be dead by that time. But if not, watch the signs of the times and prepare for the great tribulation.

But how many have died for the sake of the Gospel? Is the Gospel freely spoken in Muslim or communist countries? Did you know that the Euphrates river is drying up even as we speak. That wasn't supposed to happen till the end. That end is now.

what happened with the christians under Nero? why didnt they get raptured, they were of the family of God , but they were martyrs

@@baptic2 Thank you. That is what people seem to not understand.

It definitely is which is most likely why the government has been talking so much about aliens lately. They're preparing an excuse to give the world after the mass disappearances. Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I will also keep thee from the HOUR OF TEMPTATION, which shall come upon the whole world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Hour of temptation= the Tribulation. The fact that believers still argue about this makes me wonder if people want to be left behind for the seven horrible years that many won't survive. It's gonna be even more horrible for Christians.

No pre rapture the pre rapture is a false doctrine and a false hope many are going to fall away and are falling away already. The bible says that the teachers that teach lies are the tail of the dragon in Rev 12. Christ Jesus never taught a pre rapture,He said we must overcome just as He overcame and is seated at the right hand of the Father. The Apostle's never taught a pre rapture neither did the apostle Paul teach a pre rapture, the apostle Peter said that this false teachers have misinterpret Paul's epistles as they do others scripture's bringing themselves into their own destruction or prediction. Read the book 📖 of Jude. If you can't carry your cross you can't be His disciple, disciple is a follower of Christ Jesus,we must eat the flesh of the Jesus and drink His Blood that means we partake of His suffering through many tribulation shall ye enter the kingdom of God. Run the race that is set before you that no man takes away your crown 👑.

Context context context brother. He says, "we also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable" meaning we KNOW that biblical prophecy is reliable because of what has already been fulfilled (proving we have a God that writes history in advance) and therefore we can trust in All prophecy, both past prophecy (evidence) and future prophecies. But that is NOT the same as, "All future prophecy is revealed and obvious to any reader, so be dogmatic about it and divide over it."

@@richardadams7940 thanks for the admonition. I guess my point was that there’s no private interpretation of prophecy. If it’s not understood, it’s not the prophecy that’s lacking. Thanks for your response.

@@mikebrown9850 Completely agree!

While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. Thessalonians 5:3

Thank You well said, Christians always looking for a way out! He tells us in Matthew 24, that those who endure till the end, will be saved. The End not the beginning or middle

The Christians because we will not take the mark of the beast no matter what.

My brother, didn't the lord say that deliverance for the righteous, and destruction for the unrighteous will come on the same day? He said it in (Luke 17:29-30). He said the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. Even this shall it be in the day when the son of man is revealed. This means that the rapture and the judgment will happen on the same day. The Lord made it very clear to us so there won't be any misunderstanding. The rapture and his judgment both happen on the same day. He also said in (Mathew 24:38-39) that all of the things that were done in the days leading up to the flood/first judgment by the people will be repeated in the days leading up to the coming/second judgment by the people. He also made that clear to us as well. So the question is, where can those days be placed, before, or after the tribulation? To know if those days can be placed before or after the tribulation all we need to do is hear what the Lord says in (Mathew24:29-30). Now, if the days of eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, buying and selling, planting and building can be placed after the tribulation when the sun is darkened, the moon no longer gives her light, when the stars have fallen from heaven and the powers of heaven have been shaken, I mean those are the days that s going to be leading up to the coming/ second judgment, then by all means, there's going to be a post-tribulation rapture because as the Lord said, both his judgment and the rapture will happen on the same day. But, if not. PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE!

That's during tribulation for those whom were luke warm whom were spewed out of the mouth of God, for foolish virgins whom had not enough oil and were left behind and for those whom come to Christ in tribulation whom are the martyred saints. Pray ye therefore daily ye are counted worthy to escape what is coming upon the earth. It is written. Maranatha! ✝️💖🎺🕊️

​@@CatherineScarborough 2THESS 2:1. Now we beseech you, brethren , by the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ ( before Jesus Christ comes in the clouds of glory, His coming in His saints it's called the epiphanie a corporate body of the man - child ministry, the 2 witnesses to minister to the church in the tribulation Rev 12:5,6; 2Thess 1:10, Hos 6:1-3; psalm 149:5-9; Isa 60:1,2; Acts 2:16-21; Rev 10:9-11; to preach the everlasting gospel to all creation ), and by our gathering together unto Him ( we gather unto Jesus Christ not religion nor denominations or man ) 2. That ye be not soon shaken in mind ( that's your soul area ), or be troubled, neither by spirit (wrong revelation, doctrines of demons , religious spirits , anti-christ spirit 1Jn 4:1-6; 2Jn verse 7; 2Pet 2:1-3; 1Tim 4:1 ), nor by word ( what's being preached, or taught, Lk 8:15. Jesus told His disciples to be careful with the leaven of the pharisees those are the preacher's of today, and to be careful with the leaven of herod that's your government ), nor by letter ( books, magazine's ,tracks ), as from us, as that the day of the Lord is at hand. 3. Let no man ( preacher, pastor, teacher, false prophet ) deceive ( beguile, trick you, tickle your ear ) by any means: for that day shall not come ( the coming of the Lord ), Except there come a falling away first ( Apostasy defecting from the truth, a great rebellion. 1Tim4:1; 2Tim3:1-5; 2Pet 2:3; Jude 18; Jn 6:66=666) , and the man of sin ( inside of each of us is the man of sin it's called the old man ) be revealed the son of perdition ( Judas iscariot was called the son of perdition by Jesus in Jn 17:12; Jn 13:26,27 SOP means son of perdition or destruction ). 4.Who opposeth and exalteth himself ( we must not exalt Self, the old man, the carnal man, the earthly man, the devilish man, the beastly nature of man, psalms 73:22 King David said , So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee. We must deny Self, Matt 10:38,39; and die to Self the old man has to be crucified, the book of Roman's is the 6th book in the NT, chapter 6, and verse 6=666, the old man has to be crucified, so the born again, spiritual man, born from above. Christ in you the hope of glory rules your temple) above all that is called God, or is worshipped ( man likes to be worshipped, Self likes to be worshipped, false prophets, pastors, teachers, false apostles, Christian artists, even people in the secular world etc. Just like Lucifer Isa 14:13,14; Ezek 28:1-9; 2Tim 3:1-5; 2Cor 11-1-15 ); so he as God sitteth( look where he sitteth )in the temple of God ( we are the temple of God, God does not dwell in temples made with human hands, our spiritual man is the Holy of holies, the soul is the Holy place, the body is the outer court, Acts 17:24,25; 1Cor 3:16,17; ), shewing himself ( there's that word Self ) that he is God.5. Remember ye not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things ( the apostle Paul always warned the church of Christ Jesus ) ? 6. And now ye know what withholdeth ( restraineth means to hold back ) that he ( the son of perdition ) might be revealed in his time ( let's go back to verse 3 and will see when the son of perdition will be revealed at the falling away first ).7. For the mystery of iniquity ( lawlessness ) doth already work ( it was already working in Paul's day ): only he ( the Holy Ghost ) who now letteth will let, until he ( the son of perdition ) be taken out of the way, or come out of the midst ( it's a corporate body of son of perdition in the temple of Christ spiritualy speaking, just as Judas iscariot was, the disciples didn't have a clue it was Judas iscariot until he betrayed Jesus Christ with a kiss, when he dip the Sop into the dish satan entered him, and history is going to repeat itself again, the sons of perdition are going to betray the brothers to death. Matt 24:9,10 ) 8. And then shall that Wicked be revealed ( in the NT, they are corporate bodies, Jesus has His body and that's the true church in means called out one's out of religious babylonian churches . Satan also has a body and it's all the children of disobedience among the people of God, the tares, and the goat's, they have a anti christ spirit ). Whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming.9. Even him ( it's a corporate body of false prophets, Jesus said many false prophets not prophet but many would come in His name. Many serve a different Jesus and a different gospel) whose coming is after the working of Satan ( that's his body the sons of perdition 2Cor 11:4,13-15; Gal 1:6-9 )with all power and signs (all kinds of deceptions, and counterfeit,) and lying wonders.( Jesus saidm if it were possible the elect could be deceived )10. And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness( 1Jn 2:15-29; James 4:4 )in them ( the apostate people of God )that perish; because they received not the love of the Truth, ( the real true Gospel , they were spiritually blind to truth Isa 66:4), that they might be saved.11. And for this cause God shall send them a strong delusion, ( listen now ) that they should believe a lie ( such as a pre- rapture ) : That they all might damned who believe not the Truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." My brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus our Lord said He would send the comforter the Holy Ghost and He would be with us and in us, and lead us into all truth. If you have the love of the truth you will not be deceived by the false prophets, and many doctrines of religion and denominations out there. CHRIST IS NOT DIVIDED INTO RELIGION OR DENOMINATIONS. Those are babylonian churches. The Mother Harlot has many daughters, and she and her daughters persecuted Jesus and the apostles and handed them over to be Roman beast of that time. Rev 17:56; Rev 18:24, Matt 23; and history repeats itself again, it's going to happen to the church the body of Christ in the tribulation, if the church believes it or not. You ain't going to fly away, or be raptured up unless you die before the tribulation. The church of Christ Jesus will prevail and come out victoriously and give her life for the Master and Saviour Jesus Christ our Lord. Rev 6:9-11; Rev 13:7; Rev 12:11; and Rev 15:2; Rev 20:4,6l

But you can't tell them that. The Euphrates river is drying up even as we speak but they still expect a pre-trib. People are dying for the Gospel and persecuted already but we're not going to be here. Please tell me how that makes any sense.

@@DaNinja60 I don't understand you what you mean. Yes, the Euphrates is drying up. I believe pre trib rapture doctrine is a last days deception.

All of the verses speaking of that day indicate post tribulation. The best part of the Bible to point people towards in my opinion is 2 Peter 3. It uses the imagery of the thief in the night to illustrate the shock of the Lord's coming, but then spells out the immediate wrath poured out when He returns. It all happens at once, but people want to believe there will be this second chance for people who didn't believe when they had the chance. There will be nothing done in secret! His coming will be the biggest and most glorious sight to behold! The dead will rise first, and then the living! The living do not precede the dead! Where is this repeated in the Bible? It isn't! Don't get me wrong, I would love it if I could escape all of the terrible things going on in the world right now. We have to keep things in perspective though. How many of our dear brothers and sisters in Christ have fallen to the persecution where they are? Are we so vain to think that we won't have to stand up for our faith as they did? In almost every country we're persecuted more and more each day! I'd love to be wrong here, but I am prepared for the worst time in history, just as Jesus and the Apostles warned us to be ready.

Yes well done. 2 Thessalonians as well. The gathering of the believers dead and then alive afterwards clearly happens when the final trumpet sounds and the Lord returns with a shout. It will not be a SECRET. Those who rejected Christ will mourn the scriptures say. I like this channel but all these people talking about their dreams need to stop. Dreams vs scripture.. scripture wins.

PreTribulation Rapture is Truth! God has not appointed us to Wrath!

I know you won't read this comment, but it is a very important passage..!

John 6 when Jesus was talking about the rapture He said at the Last day Revelation 20 shows two Resurrections One is called the First Resurrection One is at the Last day I wouldn't call it a excellent message He is teaching that there's a 1007 years after the Last day That doesn't sound like the Last day anymore Jesus is Truth Better take another look at the Last day

@@squirreljones3595 but he wasn't talking about the rapture. He specifically said "I shall lose none of all those He has given me, but shall raise them up at the last day." Notice he doesn't mention "those who are alive and remain will be caught up..." He is specifically referring only to raising dead at the last day that belong to Him.

@@richardadams7940 Alive and REMAIN are Christian's that overcome the Mark of the beast You can't say the thousand year reign is after the Last day Daniel 12 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting Life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Revelation 20 12-15 sounds exactly like Daniel 12 2 When Jesus says at the Last day You better look at the Last day

@@squirreljones3595 I've read all those scriptures. And believe every word of Jesus Christ. I don't disagree with Jesus' words, I disagree with Your interpretation. The more literal and specific one takes the scripture the more one will learn towards pretrib rapture. The more one allegorizes scripture the more he'll lean towards postrib or even further allegorically, amillennial.

@@richardadams7940 Please double check the letters to the seven churches Revelation 2 & 3 Jesus tags the tribulation saints in all of them, before He mentions any reward. Jesus says overcometh seven times Seven times Jesus says He that hath a ear let Him hear Jesus was already talking to Christian's when He says that When Christian's die their spirit goes to Heaven, and their body goes into the ground Revelation 19 Yes, I can see the bride of CHRIST with Jesus, but she has to be in spirit form, because she doesn't get her Resurrected body until judgment day The saints that overcome the Mark of the beast, and the bride of CHRIST are mentioned separately all over Revelation. Please be very careful adding them together

The early church fathers; Hippolytus, irenaeus, Polycarp,etc we’re all pretriblation premillennialist. The heresy of a-millennialism came in the early 4th century. Darby did not invent the pre tribulation doctrine. That is an often stated inaccuracy.

Our LORD, GOD and SAVIOUR did create the simplest fabric (H²O) to sustain all of life here on earth. Just as the Jordan and the Euphrates are made of this fabric, so to also are the Bow and the EL bow. 🌱LIFE IS BUT A VAPOUR (H²O)🌱 HOLY BIBLE Habakkuk 3:9 Thy bow was made quite naked (bare), according to the oaths of the tribes (oaths were sworn over your arrows), even thy word, Selah. Thou didst cleave (divided) the earth with rivers. 🙌ALLELUIA🙌 A-men' 🌿

Emphasis on "last trump" in the scriptures provided. The seven trumpet also known as the last trumpet is the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. Definitely not a pre-tribulation rapture. King James Version (KJV) 1 Corinthians 15:51-53 King James Version 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

@@BornAgainMinistryJB Jesus mentioned Days of Noah which is ESCAPE then Judgment Jesus mentioned Days of Lot which is ESCAPE then Judgment Are you making a case for Judgment then escape? Because that's not an escape... that's a rescue. God didn't rescue Noah or Lot. God gave them SPECIFIC instructions on how to escape judgment...

@@Pre-Tribulation The Holy Ghost is our seal and we would be protect from the plagues that the Lord sends upon the world. Like the locust for an example. When Israel was being delivered from Egypt the Lord took all the firstborn who didn't have the blood of the lamb applied to their door post. Jesus is the Lamb of God that is applied to our temple by the blood(Christ dying on the cross), water(baptism in Jesus name), and the Spirit( filled with the Holy Ghost and tongues is the sign for this). These three things are our redeeming power. We are fighting a spiritual battle like never before and the Devil is like a roaring Lion trying to devour as many as he can. We aren't appointed to the Lord's wrath. We would already be with Him in the air during His second coming. But we have to endure all the way to the end while the devil is throwing out his wrath at the same time before the Lord's second coming. Many people will think they have missed the rapture because so many people think it's a pre-tribulation rapture then you will see the falling away as the scriptures says. Because they will be deceived. The Lord commands us to watch and pray and gave us the signs that lead to His second coming. Let us prepare ourselves by praying in the Holy Spirit building up our most Holy Faith. In Jesus name. Amen.

I share all this in Love and Grace. We are in this together. :)

Jesus mentioned Days of Noah which is ESCAPE then Judgment Jesus mentioned Days of Lot which is ESCAPE then Judgment Are you making a case for Judgment then escape? Because that's not an escape... that's a rescue. God didn't rescue Noah or Lot. God gave them SPECIFIC instructions on how to escape judgment...

Btw Matthew 24 gives a perfect order of events. Compare to Revelation 6.

@@jerrylisby3440 Are you STILL making a case for Judgment then escape? Because that's not an escape... that's a rescue. God didn't rescue Noah or Lot. God gave them SPECIFIC instructions on how to escape judgment... YOUR EXPLANATION IS NONSENSE

@@jerrylisby3440 Revelation 19, READ IT, because Revelation 19:8, SHE is adorned in fine white clean linen which is the righteousness of saints. THEN Revelation 19:14-15 explains the Bride, who escapes the ENTIRE Tribulation, Revelation 19:14-15 RETURN with Jesus.

@@Pre-Tribulation you are arguing against the bible. Read the verses I gave you. I can give more verses.

We are all appointed to die because of sin, but we won’t all die. Paul writes: “Behold, I shew you a mystery; **We shall not all sleep**, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15‬:‭51‬-‭53‬ ‭KJV‬‬ He says “we shall not all sleep”. Sleep is used as a metaphor for dying/sleeping in death. Not everyone will die physically, but be changed at the rapture. All of us do die though, Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:31 says “I die daily”. Does Paul literally die everyday? Does he stop breathing and physically die? No. All of us who deny ourself die to our flesh, which is what Paul is saying here.

Paul was only addressing the Age of Grace Body of Christ Church. Jesus was addressing JEWS or ones in the Tribulation about End Times.

With all due respect brother…you need to seek His wisdom, pray and sincerely study Galatian’s 3. Also Colossians 3. If i may, i suggest you cease listening to most big name teachers and most preachers who promote these topics: Calvinism, dispensationalism, OSAS and most so called prophecy preachers. Don’t use their commentaries or books. Meditate on 1 John 2: 26/27 “26 These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you. 27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.”

This preacher's are the ones the apostle Peter wrote about, The apostle Paul never taught a pre rapture false teaching. The apostle Peter said that this false teachers have misinterpret Paul's epistles as they do others scripture's bringing themselves into their destruction, they must read the book 📖 of Jude.

What does your handle mean? Something about light...

@@russelljohnson6243 Revelation 2:28 is my birthday (2/28), my last name is Lucero, my name used to be (doubting) Thomas until Christ appeared to me last summer in a rapture vision, henceforth I'm Lucifer. Rapture soon! 💛

Jesus mentioned Days of Noah which is ESCAPE then Judgment Jesus mentioned Days of Lot which is ESCAPE then Judgment Are you making a case for Judgment then escape?? Because that's not an escape... that's a rescue. God didn't rescue Noah or Lot. God gave them SPECIFIC instructions on how to escape judgment...

@@Pre-Tribulation The Tribulation is not the Judgement. The Judgement happens after the Millennium. Revelation 20

Look again at I Thess 4:17. Where it says “shall be caught up together with them” the Greek text says, ἅμα σὺν αὐτοῖς ἁρπαγησόμεθα (hama syn autos harpagesometha). Harpagesometha is a passive indicative 1st person plural verb. The conjugated form of harpazo. It means to be snatched away, taken from danger, caught up, seized or carried off by force. It is translated “caught up” in 15 English translations of the NT but the Greek is harpagesometha. In the Latin we read, “qui relinquimur simul rapiemur” also translated into English as “shall be caught up together”. But notice the verb rapiemur. That is the antecedent of the English verb rapture. The word rapture comes from rapiemur. Its right there even in the Latin translation of I Thess 4:17. The Greek verb harpazo has the idea of rescuing from danger. As you would snatch away, to grab by force, a small child who wandered into the street and was in the path of an oncoming car. You see this verb again in Rev 12:5 where we read in the KJV, “and her child was caught up unto God and to His throne.” Caught up again = a verb form of harpazo. We find harpazo only 13 times in the NT. Matt 11:12 take it by force; Matt 13:19 catcheth away; John 6:15 take it by force; John 10:12 catcheth them; John 10:28 pluck them out; John 10:29 pluck them out; Acts 8:39 caught away; Acts 23:10 take my force; 2 Cor 12:2 caught up; 2 Cor 12:4 caught up; Jude 1:23 pulling them out of the fire; plus Rev 12:5 and I Thess 4:17. That’s it. It is NOT found in Matt 24:29. And in every instance it is translated caught up, taken by force, carried or catcheth away, pulled out. It is never translated anywhere in koine Greek as gather. In Matt 24:31 “gather his elect” is not harpazo, its ἐπισυνάξουσιν (episynazousin) from episynagō. That word means to bring or gather into one place. It is not a snatching, or seizing, carrying away by force, or caught up to the throne of God. You are trying to equate two separate events into one event by not understanding the Greek verbs. You do not have to understand or agree, but the word which we get “rapture” is right there in I Thess 4:17.

Jesus mentioned Days of Noah which is ESCAPE then Judgment Jesus mentioned Days of Lot which is ESCAPE then Judgment Are you making a case for Judgment then escape? Because that's not an escape... that's a rescue. God didn't rescue Noah or Lot. God gave them SPECIFIC instructions on how to escape judgment...

The Rapture is to escape the "Thief in the night", or, "Snare" event that tests the whole world with Mark or No Mark for Salvation.

I still see two different events, the snatching away, the escape of the Bride for wise virgins wicks trimmed oil lamps full entered the wedding supper of the lamb, the foolish virgins had not enough oil, missed the bridegroom, were shut out and left behind V's the 2nd coming of Christ at Armageddon with His saints. The Wedding supper has already taken place. We know the escape of the Bride provokes the Jews to jealously. This is what it takes for the Jews to awaken out of slumber for their blinding was because of their rejection of our only Messiah Jesus Christ. We know Jacobs trouble is for the Jews, also for those left behind whom will have to endure the trumpets, bowls, woes ... We also know the luke warm are spewed out of the mouth of God (rejected, not found worthy) pray ye therefore daily ye are counted worthy to escape what is coming upon the earth (pre). Remember Jesus answered the door to the foolish virgins whom were begging to be let in and said "depart from me I know ye not." Once the restrainer is removed and the Bride escapes then this world will fall into spiritual darkness, the time of antichrist final rule and reign to deceive the nation's. The light of the world has "gone out" suggesting Jesus Christ whom is the light of the world is also the restrainer. Those not found worthy, the luke warm, the unbelieving, unrepentant, wicked and abominable shall be cast into the hour of temptation set to try the inhabitants of the earth, the REFINERS 🔥 FIRE. (Choose this day whom you will serve, you can not serve two masters not drink from both cups) 🤔 Those in tribulation who repent of unbelief and sin, those whom have awakened out of slumber and turned back to Jesus Christ are the martyred saints, they are the great multitude seen upon the sea of glass dipped in blood. The grape harvest is those crushed in the winepress of our Lord. (Great tribulation!) Here we find hope and a reason to rejoice for there are multitudes without number! If this is what it takes to draw humanity back to our creator, the lover of our souls, the author and finisher of our faith, so be it. God warns and warns and warns. Only love warns of coming judgement and wrath. For those asleep too busy with the cares of this world will be taken unaware. There is a special crown for those watching and waiting for they are wide awake and warning of the signs of these times, despite the mocking and scoffing. 3 harvests, barley, wheat, grape. Maranatha! ✝️💝🎺🕊️

Jesus returned in 70 ad,John said he was a brother and companion in tribulation, John also had to measure the temple that was standing. Temple was destroyed in 70 ad.

Jesus mentioned Days of Noah which is ESCAPE then Judgment Jesus mentioned Days of Lot which is ESCAPE then Judgment Are you making a case for Judgment then escape? Because that's not an escape... that's a rescue. God didn't rescue Noah or Lot. God gave them SPECIFIC instructions on how to escape judgment...

@@Pre-Tribulation Escape and rescue share the same meaning when we are being assisted to escape. Two angels assisted Lot and His family from the city. This was a rescue asked for by Abraham for God to save them.

???????? Where is Jesus RIGHT NOW? Where is THE FATHER’S HOUSE???? You need to Study more

@@Pre-Tribulation Jesus is at the right hand of His Father in Heaven. Where will He be when He raptures the Church? He will be in the earth's atmosphere in the clouds in the air. This does not mean we will return to where He came from. That is assumed. We do know we will be with Him where He is. We will go where He goes. If He establishes His Kingdom on earth from there; there we will be. His Kingdom is where He is. His Father's house is in His Kingdom. Where He is His Father is with Him also. So that is where we will be forever with the Lord. Likewise Heaven is with Him where He is as well.

@@Pre-Tribulation Where are the foolish virgins when they return from buying oil and are asking the groom to open the door for them? In Heaven or on earth?