Monarch Lathe Feedscrew Reverse Lever

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Abom79

Abom79

9 жыл бұрын

This is a quick video in response to Tom Lipton and Rick Jay. Rick recently purchased a Monarch lathe and it's missing the shaft for the leadscrew reverse. So I wanted to share mine, whats it's purpose is, and how it's used on the machine with hopes of helping Rick out, and any others who are not familiar with this feature.
Regards,
Adam

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@oxtoolco
@oxtoolco 9 жыл бұрын
Hey Buddy, Sweet video on the reversing lever. You could set the stops and go grab another adult beverage. This should help Rick sort his machine out. Thanks for helping out a workmate. Talk to you soon. Tom
@blakehorton8110
@blakehorton8110 4 жыл бұрын
Man you have came a long way , I am proud and look forward to see your vids each and every week and thank you for being so humble about what you do and streight toward without any unnecessary filler
@pauljones3866
@pauljones3866 9 жыл бұрын
Thank you for explanation and demo. Always great to see the special design features of the Monarch lathes and any other high-end lathe models.
@billdlv
@billdlv 9 жыл бұрын
Adam very good video. It is good to see how all the different lathes work and you did a good job explaining yours. I wish others would do what you just did on their lathes. Some of us have not had the exposure to many different lathes.
@HenryDarr
@HenryDarr 9 жыл бұрын
Hi Adam , Greetings from Australia mate . I broke my leg on good friday by coming of my Dirt bike and i just found you recently. Mate you have inspired me to chase up my true passion and i hope i have a mentor like you some day . You're a top bloke and i reckon your channel will only get larger with time . Regards Henry Darr .
@pappamike100
@pappamike100 9 жыл бұрын
nicely explained. i went back and forth from tom's video to yours a couple of times and you definitely did the question justice. in addition, you do a nice job on your videos.
@smtnh
@smtnh 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Adam.......I was going to say something on Tom's vid but wasn't 100% sure. This feature also is on DeLuxe Pacemakers; kind of a "toolroom edition". You jumped on it right quick....WITH a video response....man that is what is just plain cool about this metalworking community on KZfaq. Thanks, Sean.
@BigMjolnir
@BigMjolnir 9 жыл бұрын
Adam, very clear presentation. I think you nailed the answer. My South Bend 9" has a reversing lever too, but it's to the left of the headstock, not on the carriage. Given that the whole lathe is only about 5' long, it's not much of a reach from the normal operating position so no real need for it to be elsewhere. It just moves the tumbler gears. -- Mike
@rustedfriend
@rustedfriend 4 жыл бұрын
I just got a big monarch and i'm brand new to machine lathes. Thanks for this video, I was really at a loss on how those automatic stops were supposed to work. I wanted to find some reference before I ended up just jamming things and breaking them.
@RaysGarage
@RaysGarage 9 жыл бұрын
Adam, Cool of you to demo this for Rick! I told you before and I'll say it again, the Monarch is a awesome lathe man! Ray
@bentontool
@bentontool 9 жыл бұрын
I had always wondered what that missing shaft on my Model 60 was for... thanks Adam!
@crh5464
@crh5464 9 жыл бұрын
Abom79, thanks for sharing this!! I have a "new" Monarch series 60 that I was worrying about, mainly the leadscrew reverse feature. The seller made it sound as though the reverse lever could be employed at any RPM, but when I tried that it was CLACK Clack clack clack! Not until I used the slower RPM's only did it work as yours does. Mine acts the same; 200 RPM is about the fastest I'll use the reverse feed lever on. This video was very comforting!
@jjs4x
@jjs4x 8 жыл бұрын
Great info Adam, really helped me out with my new (to me) Monarch! Jason
@michaelrodriguez-fb8fr
@michaelrodriguez-fb8fr 9 жыл бұрын
hi Abom thats a cool feature, our hendey 4cx30 has it on the headstock. Also it has some adjustable stops for production work on the clutch shaft. like Mr. Kilroy has on the pacemaker.
@murrayballinger1955
@murrayballinger1955 6 жыл бұрын
I have 2 monarchs, one 1942 and one 1943 vintage. There is a fine adjustment to the feed cut out on the left hand end of the apron so you can accurately cut internal threads up to a shoulder or bore holes up to an internal shoulder. Brilliant feature.Also there is a stop system built into the cross slide so you can always reset infeed to same place without looking at the dials reading when screwcutting. You then put in a bit more cut with top slide set at half thread angle until you get to full thread depth. With both the cutout and depth stops set you can screwcut blindfolded. I have done it!
@Abom79
@Abom79 6 жыл бұрын
I’ve covered these topics in my videos regarding the Monarch features.
@1873Winchester
@1873Winchester 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice lathe you got there, wish I had room for one like it.
@AmateurRedneckWorkshop
@AmateurRedneckWorkshop 9 жыл бұрын
That is a handy feature. I think I remember the lathes or at least one in my high school machine shop class having a threading clutch that would kick out at the end of the thread if you set it. I certainly don't remember the brand of the lathes though. We had a nice big power hack saw too. Even though I have a band saw that cuts a lot faster I still love those things. Thanks for sharing.
@stephensmith8756
@stephensmith8756 9 жыл бұрын
Adam You just made me want to get a Monarch even more. Thanks
@Abom79
@Abom79 9 жыл бұрын
They are great machines. Plenty on ebay for sale, but better have deep pockets!
@stephensmith8756
@stephensmith8756 9 жыл бұрын
Abom79 Add to that freight to Australia, and the prospect of a motor change out to match the 415V 3PH 50Hz power. Yeah, very deep pockets ! Regards
@russtuff
@russtuff 9 жыл бұрын
Man I knew as soon as I saw Tom talk about the lathe you would be all over this :) What a cool community.
@swarfrat311
@swarfrat311 9 жыл бұрын
Hey Adam, Nice demo on the reversing lever. A pretty clever idea, actually. Too bad I can't find an old Monarch in great condition for not much $$$! Given the way you gave that demo, if you ever get tired of machining, you could probably get a job as a used car salesman. LOL Thanks again, Adam! Have a good one! Dave
@UltradogMN
@UltradogMN 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Abom. I just bought a 12 CK like yours. In addition to the feed reversing lever it has the carriage travel dial. I have looked at a bunch of videos and photos of CKs and it seems to be less common than the feed lever.
@rickkimble8634
@rickkimble8634 9 жыл бұрын
Adam we have a Monarch at work and the several hours I have spent in front of it I never had any idea what it was for (the lever is missing) Now I know! thanxxx!
@Abom79
@Abom79 9 жыл бұрын
How do you change feed directions if it's missing??
@rickkimble8634
@rickkimble8634 9 жыл бұрын
We don't! Back out and re-start.
@Vintageguy73
@Vintageguy73 8 жыл бұрын
I have a Monarch very similar to yours. Love it
@ypaulbrown
@ypaulbrown 9 жыл бұрын
great info Adam, thanks for posting.....PB
@robertkutz9540
@robertkutz9540 9 жыл бұрын
adam you make me want to by a metal lathe to go with my wood turning lathe,great video
@jusb1066
@jusb1066 9 жыл бұрын
machines like that are really an industrial work of art, i dont want to ask what a new replacement would cost!
@thatlittleworkshop
@thatlittleworkshop 9 жыл бұрын
That is a very cool feature Adam I could definitely see where there could be extremely useful. With any luck I should have my new to me lathe by the end of this week or early next week. Just waiting on the phase converter to come in then I can get it shipped :) It's a colchester bantam 1600. Thanks, Ian Little
@razorworks9942
@razorworks9942 9 жыл бұрын
Congratulations! Tools new or not, just as exciting when they show up or you bring them home!
@Abom79
@Abom79 9 жыл бұрын
Thats cool Ian. You'll have to share a pic or two on the lathe when you get it.
@oxtoolco
@oxtoolco 9 жыл бұрын
Forgot to add. Less than eight minutes. Is that some kind of record for you? Cheers, Tom
@Abom79
@Abom79 9 жыл бұрын
You give me a 10 minute limit, I was rushing! LOL
@Abom79
@Abom79 9 жыл бұрын
Gee thanks Dale. Leadscrew reversing, and feed stops. What else is there to guess?
@oxtoolco
@oxtoolco 9 жыл бұрын
Dale Richardson Hey Dale, I think you're right. He's just winging it with the shaft. Some guys just have to jump on the band wagon as it passes by. Man, and only eight minutes worth. I think its a gyp. Cheers, Tom
@ShuffleSk8Ter
@ShuffleSk8Ter 9 жыл бұрын
I just wanted to add that the true toolroom lathe will have this feature and does not require a threading dial! its called a single reversing tooth dog clutch ..my 1917 Hendey lathe has this feature :)
@steamsee
@steamsee 9 жыл бұрын
This feature is used on European style lathes for metric thread cutting where the pitch is rarely a natural whole division of the lead screw pitch and the thread is cut using a straight plunge and not the angled compound, so you want to leave the the half-nuts engaged and you are cutting on both sides of the tool anyway. Also works good for a reverse spring cut when boring.
@machinist_kwt
@machinist_kwt 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks man , that was helpful l just bought Monarch 16" CV and l couldnt work perfectly with big lathe l used to work with southbend 9 l wish to get same your skill with this lathe
@Squat5000
@Squat5000 9 жыл бұрын
Those stops are also GREAT ways to make sure you dont crash into the chuck. A little added safety if you have to get real close to finish a part.
@iancraig1951
@iancraig1951 9 жыл бұрын
2nd world war lathe--so versatile--so usable, an extremely well designed machine.Give it another 70 plus years and it will still be giving good service to who ever owns it..
@CyclesInc
@CyclesInc 9 жыл бұрын
Hey Adam I just finished this same info on Tom's channel. Should have seen this first. Would have saved me allot of typing. I have the same, pretty much identical Monarch that they are talking about. When I got mine about 30 years ago, I ordered an original factory manual/parts manual from Monarch which I still have. At the time it was over $200 a little pricey. A few years ago I made a PDF from it. Very high quality and good parts blowups. I'm going to offer them a copy and you too if you want. We have the Series 61 Toolmakers model. I know now from your video what model you have. This is still a good book for you too. I do have one for your model too if you don't already have one. The quality and info is not as good as the one I made for mine but still good to have. The model 61 book has more updated info and pertains to your lathe also. I'm just going to copy and paste this over to Tom all this typing is murder. Joe
@CyclesInc
@CyclesInc 9 жыл бұрын
CyclesInc P.S. I am talking free on the books. Don't want anyone to think otherwise.
@SaltCreek83
@SaltCreek83 8 жыл бұрын
Love your videos man, i was wondering if the collars on the feed screw are for automatically kicking out the feed if your turning to a shoulder? I am looking at a lathe exactly like this would you reccomend this lathe or look for a different one?
@taystew
@taystew 9 жыл бұрын
that monarch is a beautiful machine
@pierresgarage2687
@pierresgarage2687 9 жыл бұрын
Hi Adam, Nice feature like cutting metric threads on a imperial lead screw, could probably be replaced if nothing internal got messed up. Cheers, Pierre
@tsw199756
@tsw199756 8 жыл бұрын
My monarch model 60 has that feed reverse lever and a feed reverse knob on the apron that I find much handier to use at any speed.
@simmonmt
@simmonmt 9 жыл бұрын
How does actuation of the lever on the apron cause the gearbox to make the screw change direction? That is, what actually happens when you move that lever?
@PhillipRivara
@PhillipRivara 8 жыл бұрын
Have the same lathe configuration on my Monarch- today the feed stopped engaging. Wondering if I missed something? Still sounds like it is making the engagement but, not a solidly and thus not feeding in either direction. Any thoughts?
@andymandyandsheba4571
@andymandyandsheba4571 9 жыл бұрын
i knew you would know what it was as soon as he mentioned the Monarch Lathe Adam
@JTZshokunin
@JTZshokunin 9 жыл бұрын
That's a pretty nice feature.
@65BAJA
@65BAJA 9 жыл бұрын
A feature I think I remember you talking about in the past was the ability of the Monarch to have the carriage and the slide feed independently selectable. Maybe I didn't say that right. But the feature allows you to machine tapers without a taper attachment.
@DSCKy
@DSCKy 9 жыл бұрын
Yes, but not tapers... just one single taper. :)
@Patriot1776
@Patriot1776 8 жыл бұрын
+65BAJA Yes. DSCKy is right. Engaging both feeds at once allows you to cut a certain taper, but ONLY that one taper that the carriage gearing will permit, otherwise you would need a second gearbox and feed shaft for the cross-slide and so more parts and complexity. Cutting different tapers than what you can get from both feeds at once is what setting-up a tapering attachment on the cross-slide is for.
@jack2785229SH
@jack2785229SH 8 жыл бұрын
At work I regularly run a Monarch 50 x 16 (Series 50, Model 16 as they call it). It doesn't have this lever, and I for the life of me can't seem to find the correct lever for lead screw rotation change. Anybody got experience with threading on this lathe? And as of today, when the half nut lever is engaged, lead screw rotation ceases and the carriage does not move as it should. Luckily, threading isn't a part of my normal duties with the Monarch but I'd still like to get it resolved.
@shawnmrfixitlee6478
@shawnmrfixitlee6478 9 жыл бұрын
Hope this helps the brother ! Good vid ..
@billburgess1559
@billburgess1559 9 жыл бұрын
Hi. Nice vid . I may be wrong but i can see that you could use the the auto stop when turning but think that it would screw up the timeing when screw cutting as it must loose the relationship between spindel and lead screw when changing from fwd to rev .
@Abom79
@Abom79 9 жыл бұрын
No it works, my dad and myself have used it for threading many times. Guess ill have to put it on video so people can see it in action.
@hopefuldave
@hopefuldave 9 жыл бұрын
Abom79 Yeah, it works - the leadscrew clutch isn't actually on the leadscrew, it's driven from the spindle and runs at spindle speed, plus it's a "siingle-tooth" dog clutch that can only engage in one position, so the leadscrew and spindle are ALWAYS in the same relationship, rotation-wise. That means that you can leave the threading half nuts engaged and use the stops or lever to engage or disengage the drive, and always return to the same thread, even metric threads on a inch lathe (or vice-versa)
@gigabytex64
@gigabytex64 9 жыл бұрын
Just a quick question, if you set the feed rage for threads per Inch ie say "14" and the diameter of your stock changes you should still have the same 14 threads per inch, is that right.?
@Abom79
@Abom79 9 жыл бұрын
Yes, your pitch stays the same no matter the diameter.
@gigabytex64
@gigabytex64 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I am tryingto look at setups for thread cutting on my lathe as the only way to change it on my lathe is to switch out gears but its not a big lathe so I expected that.
@doughall1794
@doughall1794 9 жыл бұрын
Great video response, How would you reverse the feed without tat rod and lever installed in the lathe?
@CyclesInc
@CyclesInc 9 жыл бұрын
On this machine you have a knob on the front of the carriage that you push and pull.
@johnholmes6570
@johnholmes6570 9 жыл бұрын
You know what man? You rock!
@Abom79
@Abom79 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks John!
@absmith666
@absmith666 9 жыл бұрын
So the lever doesn't disengage the gear train between the lathe spindle and leadscrew? If it did it would bugger up the timing for screw cutting. Is this correct?
@Abom79
@Abom79 9 жыл бұрын
I've never been into the machine to see how it's all timed, but it always stays aligned perfectly.
@murrayballinger1955
@murrayballinger1955 6 жыл бұрын
The main spindle and shaft with the reversing dog clutch activated by the reversing lever are running at the same speed so no problem with thread timing for regular pitches threads
@CompEdgeX2013
@CompEdgeX2013 9 жыл бұрын
Well, that takes the mystery out of that.. ;-) Nice useful feature at least for low speed operation. With the play in the handle would the response time be quick enough for threading?? Colin
@Abom79
@Abom79 9 жыл бұрын
Colin, I don't know if Monarch intended for it to be a high speed use feature, it works quite well on the low end. Think real coarse threads, odd ball pitch. Even when cutting short fine pitch threads it's useful. I don't use it all the time, but it's nice to have.
@dtec30
@dtec30 9 жыл бұрын
So in theory it makes all of the main operator controls where you need them infront of you to make the job easier faster and safer cool
@dc182000
@dc182000 9 жыл бұрын
Great explanation! I'd love to have that feature for Metric threads inside of hard reversing the spindle or stomping on the brake. Un-related comment.. Lets see what you put in that there Gerstner chest!
@dc182000
@dc182000 9 жыл бұрын
*instead
@Abom79
@Abom79 9 жыл бұрын
It's a secret!
@razorworks9942
@razorworks9942 9 жыл бұрын
Adam, I only have one question. How much does that bad boy weigh? I need to know, so I know which trailer I need to bring!! After watching this segment, with all the other vids I've already seen, I just gotta have it!!!!! I figure your about 3000 miles from me here, today's Monday, leaving tomorrow early. Should be there around 5:00 pm Friday, so can we load er up first thing Saturday? Kool!! Man, thanks alot Adam!!! I knew there was something I liked about you! Razor!
@tadebaka
@tadebaka 9 жыл бұрын
Adam, I just purchased, not yet received, a Monarch 16"x54" Model "W" and was looking at a flyer that I found online and it says it comes with a quick-chasing stop for threading, do you happen to know what that is or how to use it? Mine doesn't have the reverse lever like yours. I wanted to be able to thread to a shoulder with my lathe and the feature you described with the reversing lever sounds perfect for that, just wondering how I could do it with mine. Thanks for your thoughts and thanks for maintaining your channel, I've learned so much from your videos. Kindest Regards, Craig
@hopefuldave
@hopefuldave 9 жыл бұрын
Hi Craig, it's not a simple feature to add to a lathe without it - you have to have reverse gearing running at spindle speed and a dog-clutch to engage either forward or reverse, plus the stop/trip mechanism, control shaft etc. I've been working on adding this feature to my Holbrook C13 lathe (the models "either side" have it) and the reversing gears and clutch are the simple bit, the actuators have had me scratching my head to the bone! I *think* I have it worked out, but damn I wish they'd fitted it as standard - would have been really simple to do!
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 9 жыл бұрын
I have apron reverse for the feed screw but not the lead screw on my Monarch. Interesting to see the differences in the models of lathes. Ricks lathe looks like it might be a hydraulic headstock machine I think a model 61.
@CyclesInc
@CyclesInc 9 жыл бұрын
It is a Model 61 and 61 is not hydraulic.
@Abom79
@Abom79 9 жыл бұрын
Cycles inc, I was thinking the same is Bryan. I see a pic where there's a relief valve. If it's not hydraulic what's the relief valve for?
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 9 жыл бұрын
One of the shops I do work for when they can't swing a big piece has a Series 62Monarch and I have run it and it has the dynashift and is hydraulic. I thought maybe the 61 was too with those little tiny levers didn't look like they would be good for manual shifting. Thanks for clearing that up.
@CyclesInc
@CyclesInc 9 жыл бұрын
Abom79 If your talking about the round brass looking thing above near where the shaft goes in. That's a oil fill cap for the gear box.
@CyclesInc
@CyclesInc 9 жыл бұрын
bcbloc02 They are a little short and if you don't jog the spindle a bit they are a little hard to shift with.
@secretsix6
@secretsix6 9 жыл бұрын
or metric threads ??
@aserta
@aserta 9 жыл бұрын
You've raised the concern that at higher speeds this could be detrimental in time to the gears. Now, i wonder if that lathe's shaft was removed for this very reason, either because those gears were damaged or because someone wanted to prevent that. If i remember correctly Tom said that it might of had been removed because it was a potential danger to the operator what with it being so up and close..but seeing from you moving the lever, it's not actually a rotating shaft as much as it is an extension from the main body??!. This is all assumption based on what i've seen and heard so i might be completely off track. What i'm interested, is, does the shaft have any kind of mechanical operation other than inside the gear box? Also, Adam, really nice of you to make a video, it's certainly a very helpful one.
@CyclesInc
@CyclesInc 9 жыл бұрын
The shaft not only reverses the rotation it also holds your travel stops and kicks off your feeds.
@aserta
@aserta 9 жыл бұрын
CyclesInc Gleamed it. Think they removed it on the other machine because something was broken?
@CyclesInc
@CyclesInc 9 жыл бұрын
aserta I think it got damaged moving the machine at one time and rather than fix it they removed it. The lathe will run perfect without it but not if its bent. Nice features to have but most lathes don't have them anyway.
@DSCKy
@DSCKy 9 жыл бұрын
So if you set those clamps, you get auto reverse... pretty neat. OOPS, I see it just goes to neutral.
@Abom79
@Abom79 9 жыл бұрын
Yes just neutral. I never use them but it would be nice to see the old timers using the feature back when these were the real work horses.
@buddylineman
@buddylineman 9 жыл бұрын
Hey Adam, I think it is really cool how well the old machines work and just how well they where built ! PS. check your youtube in box, I sent you a message. Thanks Buddy
@mack255
@mack255 9 жыл бұрын
It's like a car Adam you have to put it in gear before it will do anything. LOL
@Abom79
@Abom79 9 жыл бұрын
And if you can't find em, grind em! LOL
@TheLeandro215
@TheLeandro215 9 жыл бұрын
#paintmonarch
@McFingal
@McFingal 9 жыл бұрын
I thought my Colchester was cool.
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