I've actually made videos specifically on that topic (but answering from the passenger's seat on my phone which isn't easy to look up links right now) You're 100% right and I will keep making videos on the topic to help spread that awareness. TY for offering this discussion today!!

I appreciate that!

My pleasure!!

TY James. I hope more people "Catch onto" these as I'm not quite seeing the activity on them vs. the time required to make content like this. These comparison videos are far more involved than my normal tours. Something like this probably took me 4hrs or so to complete for instance.

Man.. compared to where North Point was 2 years ago vs now... WHO KNOWS where these two legend-level-brands will be 2 more years from now! :)

Really appreciate hearing that. Comparison videos like this take *hours* to put together. I was starting to wonder if the juice was worth the squeeze lol

Thank you! Will do!

Glad you like them!

Glad it was helpful!

TY Dennis. means a lot man. Late night tonight trying to keep up and a few kind words really do a lot to keep a guy going :)

I Commend you for being able to appreciate the brand you *DON'T* own in this video. True sign of someone with an open mind walking into this content. In my experience most folks walk into something like this with their mind already made up if they already own one of the brands.

As someone who is in/out RVs every day I 100% prefer direct-quick-access to things like slides that I use constantly. So physical buttons are always a winner, but that direct-select method on the BMPro system is perfectly fine by me

Glad you like them!

Ty!!

Awesome! TY for the opporutnity, Scott! :)

:)

Glad it help! Please keep in mind this video is about a year old now though most of it still holds a pretty nicely some things have been dated a little bit or changed

I would love to do more videos like this but my challenge is we don’t usually have rvs on the same lot I’d like to set for comparison

Glad it was helpful!

New 2022 updates look amazing on both

Thx for watching, Skip!

Welcome aboard to the #HaylettNation!

TY Todd. I call them "brand battles" I have so many I would like to do but usually can't get the RVs I want to record side by side

I do not hesitate to say two years ago it felt like a much easier decision for me. Montana really was the clear winner at the time. Jayco didn't like hearing it and they agreed. And boy did they step up BIG TIME I could really flip a coin between them right now. I personally feel a smidge more confidence with the knowledge that Montana has been operating at this elevated level for longer, but it's not like Jayco is some spring chicken. They know what they're doing too. It's... tough

@@JoshtheRVNerd Sense I am new to the RV life, I have the benefit of witnessing the best of what these brands have to offer now and personally, like you said in the video, comes down to personal choice, the Jayco does it for me. The kitchen's and bathrooms won me over, along with that warranty. On a side note, I also want to thank you for your interaction with us here. I think it says a lot that you take the time to chat with us here, much appreciated!

@@alandillon6469 TY for recognizing the time we spend chatting with our viewers on this channel. It's a part-time job just managing this channel in and of itself as it's grown. I get hundreds of comments a day and try to hand-review every one of them (and often replying to nearly all of them personally)

@@JoshtheRVNerd And that's why you are going to be very successful for years to come Josh! Honest hard work always pays off and I believe RV folks recognize that. Have a blessed day!

Ty Tim! Keep annoying that wife and you’ll be sleeping in that Pinnacle lol

@@JoshtheRVNerd buddy, I'm a savant at doing that...you can totally consider it already done! 😂... 👍

lol - I won't deny it. You're in Pepsi country up here :)

Jayco has been offering standard side AND Roof solar prep on more models than just about anyone else for longer than anyone of which I am aware. And they're now the only brand I know doing it on literally all of their travel trailers and fifth wheels standard (even their single axles as of the 2021 updates!) A TON of brands have started offering things like 100-190w factory solar packages. Montana definitely sets the standards though with their "basic" solar package being 300w + inverter and their super solar being 1200w + a SCHLOAD of hardware. Solar is such a tricky thing though. It's anything but "one size fits all." Rather, it's 100% a thing of "What size fits you?" There's just simply no package that can handle every potential RV'ers needs affordably. I'm eager to see how more and more solar integrates into the RV industry, though. My hope is we start seeing smaller campers capable of running completely 12v in the next few years (like the Geo Pro segment) before that technology expands into other RV segments.

PFFFFFTTThahahahaha -- not in exactly those words but I'm not NOT saying that either :)

My pleasure!

Our pleasure!!

Our content is generally limited more to the brands we feature among our lineup. Perhaps down the line "When I get time" I'll be able to do some "extra curricular" stuff like that, but I don't think I'll be able to do so soon I will say this -- While we carry High Country and Montana the Avalanche and Alpine are not inferior products. They're what I call "Sister Brands." Where something like a Rockwood and Flagstaff are quite literally IDENTICAL the High Country has a very similar sister called Avalanche & Montana has a Similar Sister called Alpine. They're FAR more alike than they are different -- like 97% the same basically Each simply has MINOR variances either in a floor plan catalog or feature selection. Always very minor differences.

It's crazy to me to see how much things have changed in my 12 years of doing this. When I started only the HIGHEST level RVs had OPTIONAL TVs... some of which were a whopping TWENTY INCHES Now? It's like popup campers have 90" smart TVs or something lol

@@JoshtheRVNerd lol yeah I totally agree. I mean hell abunch of fifth wheels are coming standard with auto leveling and all that. I remember, what it’s been just a couple years ago, and that was just a very big option that u could add?!

So kind. Thank you 🙏🏻

LOL - fair. I get it. As someone who touches ALL OF THE BUTTONS and opens ALL OF THE SLIDES I do appreciate direct-access-buttons but the full BMPro system's jack/awning/slide select & open switches work fine for me

This vid is a bit dated btw

The older i get the more I crave simplicity. I get it

Wow ty

Frankly.. me too Which one I like better seems to change based on my mood that day

Great suggestion!

love your test lol Is that like a weather detecting rock? If the rock is wet, then it's raining?

@@JoshtheRVNerd lol. We've got a lot of rain and high winds here. That test isn't good for me, I just realized. I don't know anyone on the West side lol!

That's about how I feel about it actually. Which is crazy to say considering the HIGH LEVEL of these two. They're both just... dominant! :)

Ty!! 😊

My pleasure. Ty for watching :)

I think that's probably the most reasonable assessment of these two things. I'll share my own view -- when I walked up to them in my head I was *personally* thinking "No question -- Montana is going to win this." Then, as I went thru I actually stepped back and went "man.. I don't know"

@@JoshtheRVNerd with ad many changes that have happy with the 2022 models (factory solar comes to mind) a Updated video would be awesome.

TY Wayne. They're two stud level products who stack up nicely (better now than ever before I think). I greatly dislike "negative slant" content and only rarely put out anything like that. I'm much more of a "Still waters run deep" sort of person, so when I do make a video specifically centered around something I/We don't like... then you know it's something I'm serious and passionate about.

I hope so. Put a lot of time into this one with some pretty nitty-gritty details. That's what it takes to really compare these two giants

Aww thx 🙏🏻

TY for all the viewership and comments! Greatly appreciated! Regarding the upgrades you're mentioning: Expect very little in terms of trade in value boost. Unfortunately you're fighting against the law of statistical averages when trading and regardless of what you've done to your RV the bank only cares about playing the odds basically. So think of it like putting a new stereo and some cool rims on a truck. Spend that money if it brings YOU enjoyment, but expect nothing else from it.

Bolth 😂

With 100% respect I feel strongly you were not provided with 100% transparent pricing figures. North Points and Base-Montanas (no legacy) are nearly identical in pricing. Legacy units will certainly cost more unless the figures have been... manipulated.. I suspect you may have been provided MSRP on one and a discounted sale price on the other. I can only speculate of course. Not sure which generation of North Point you had seen. There was a SIGNIFICANT shift and push forward from that group from the early to late 2020 generation. The good news: Montana is a BEAST product. It's never the wrong answer.

TY for the input!

Glad you liked it!

They are re-using that flipped around front end design in their new FLRB north point which has I think the single best bathroom I've ever seen in a Fifth wheel.

@@JoshtheRVNerd yes saw that need to haul a honda Goldwing and like the mini toy hauler

Sorry but.. was this comment left on this video by intention? This is specially a north point and Montana comparison Solitude would definitely belong alongside them but that would be a different video perhaps

Wow, TY for the monday morning Kindness, James :) It's certainly welcome I generally refrain from "Best" questions like this as I really see where each MFG has special qualities I appreciate. I'll say this past year Rockwood came absolutely out of nowhere and has stolen my heart in the smaller FW market with things like these two → 2442BS: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kM5dnrqqp6rbhJc.html (Alternate look: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/psl_mqt3mby9o30.html) → 2445BS: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hLycaZaGvZOYgIU.html 50amp is *almost* considered standard among fifth wheels now

Yeah.. that FLRB is still a personal favorite

You're so welcome!

I need to get my hands on a few of those Durangos but that's potentially something I could do. TY for the suggestion

Would you say it was on.... *North* Point? lol

We have taken a pause on stocking several brands. Our lineup was super expansive, but through a few years of monitoring sales stats we saw where some brands shined thru and where some brands struggled to sell among our other offerings. So we have trimmed things up a bit & basically brought a "Great Hits of Camping" lineup to our clients this year. We simply haven't seen enough new RVs land to really get that lineup rolling LOL

@@JoshtheRVNerd - That makes a lot of sense. I knew that most, if not all, of the brands are having a hard time ramping production up so I wasn’t sure if you had stopped carrying them or if they just weren’t able to get you product. I’m in Northern California and we rarely see HR. In fact, I didn’t know they existed until I started watching your videos many years ago. Thanks for the info and all your great videos over the years!!

The more I learn and ask around the happier I've become with Sailun. It was actually this video that made me realize I didn't know enough about them. Since have done some learning and commend Montana for their use of a superior product

Careful Sam... you're asking questions to which you may not want answers... lol

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Not currently. I would love to do more of that but I need the rvs side by side which is a challenge

Solid idea. I'll see what I can come up with. You should see this list of ideas I have in front of me right now. People like you smarter than me keep giving me more to add to it :)

They did... but they didn't -- lol -- here's what I mean. They took out the barreled ceiling, but they raised the sidewalls. So the "top" of the barrel is the same as it used to be, but you now have more headroom along the sides in the upper deck than you used to

@@JoshtheRVNerd i did not know that, but thats pretty cool. I'm glad the height was maintained.

Too kind :)

Thanks 👍

Fair. TY for the constructive feedback :)

Man i try

Ty :)

Yeah I need yo update these for sure

North Point's extra weight is the primary reasoning

I've started calling them the "Full Monty" because that's just funnier and it actually works! :)

I don't have any technical info I can offer on the panel other than it likely needs replaced (which i'm sure isn't news to you). My father's pinnacle had a similar issue. Those are basically android tablets and my LOOSE understanding is they dealt with a wave of poor quality tablet/panels from the supplier

Ugh. Sorry to hear that :(

Mostly holds up but some stuff has changed. See my more recent videos for updates on each brand Both are great options for extended use

Enclosed bellies have been in use for multiple decades. I'm not aware of any mainstream fifth wheel lacking that feature in today's market

Agreed. The furniture improvements and revision to the front closet are also on point

I 100% admit I didn't circle back to talk about Montana's Sailuns in proper depth. They're 75mph rated (which is less than 87mph, but anything more than 70 is overkill), and 2yrs more warranty with the same load ratings

Actually no. Bish’s doesn’t get into the vehicle side of things

I'd be curious to know the type of weather you encounter. Keep in mind _absolutely no_ RVs are guaranteed for more extreme weathers. Typically MFGs test from 0-100 and that's about it That all being said.. we had several brutal polar vortex winters the past few years and had owners in things like Cougar/Montanas reporting excellent results. They include things like tank heating pads standard which helps.

@@JoshtheRVNerd Can’t believe how quickly you responded. It got to 17 degrees in the wee hours. Wasn’t expecting it to be so cold. Forgot to bring my lithium charger so generator couldn’t top it off properly. Ran low on generator gas so had to set thermostat to 55. It lasted to 5 AM then I connected the trailer and ran it about 1.5 hours at 70 until fuel ran out. Water froze but thawed out later in the afternoon. No apparent damage. Whew. P Part of the underlines started to peel back about in the middle of the trailer. I could see a tank directly above. Not sure which one. Probably water. I’m looking to upgrade to a unit better insulated unit. Perhaps with installed heating pads. Thinking the pads themselves would help. I’ve watched some videos where owners have removed sections of liner, insulated, reinstalled, and sealed seams, and added foam. What a lot of work especially crawling around on ones back. One video featured a Pinnacle with another Pinnacle owned following up on the process. Poor guy fell from the nose repairing an LED leak and luckily landed on his feet, but still broke both heels. Wife and I love our Eagle. Seems the small Northpoint and Pinnacles are very similar just better. We don’t live it it full time. No Jayco is listed as a top winter trailer. Montana is on everyone’s list. So I’m pretty much asking you from your experience, which brands you notice have fewer freeze related repairs or what the recommendations are of the owners you run into who do a lot of cold weather camping. Just asking. Thanks a whole bunch.

Man.. MAN.. I think my answer depends a bit on the floor plan in question because they’re seriously on a level playing field overall For instance I prefer the Montana 3121RL personally over the north point 310RLTS BUuUuUuUuUuUuT I also prefer the north point 382FLRB over the Montana 3761FL so..

@@JoshtheRVNerd I'm starting to lean towards a Riverstone legacy 39 RBFL. I really appreciate the washer and dryer in the half bath. Leaving considerably more space in the bed room. What are your opinions?

Let me guess -- was it an Alpine rep? LOL :) Montana and Alpine are "sister brands." They're not identical, but they come from the same family. If you think of it like the Brady bunch Montana is Marsha while Alpine is Jan They're both perfectly fine, but Montana really seems to get a lot of the spotlight as they've been THE number 1 fifth wheel in their class for 18 straight years (and usually the #1 overall)

They do not. I don't see many MFGs outside of motorhomes using those with any sort of regularity. I actually quite like the half induction / half propane stove tops but again tend not to see them outside of motorhomes.

@@JoshtheRVNerd can they be installed by you?

@@fredataylor8936 *Possibly,* though I don't know if anyone has run that past us. I think our team is certainly physically capable and has the know how.. Not sure the cost or timeframe of a job like that

I also like that idea. It's nice to scoot them in and out of the way