Monterey Pop Festival 1967: Focus on Skip Spence, Moby Grape

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Glenn and Adrian's Rock Talk

Glenn and Adrian's Rock Talk

Жыл бұрын

Original link to "Hey Grandma": • Moby Grape Hey Grandma...
Skip Spence was a Canadian-born American singer-songwriter and musician who was co-founder of Moby Grape, and played guitar with them until 1969. In the same year, he released his only solo album, Oar, and then largely withdrew from the music industry. He had started his career as a guitarist in an early line-up of Quicksilver Messenger Service, and was the drummer on Jefferson Airplane's debut album, Jefferson Airplane Takes Off.
He was dismissed by the band after taking an unannounced vacation to Mexico. He briefly considered joining Buffalo Springfield as a drummer before returning to the guitar to co-found Moby Grape.
The band was known for its psychedelic sound and its unique lineup, which featured five members who all sang and played multiple instruments. Moby Grape released their debut album in 1967, and it was a critical and commercial success. Spence's unique songwriting and guitar playing helped to define the band's sound.
During the recording session of Moby Grape's second album, Wow, in 1968, Spence attempted to break down a bandmate's hotel room door with a fire axe, while under the influence of LSD. Spence's deterioration in New York and the "fire axe incident" are described by bandmate Jerry Miller as follows: "Skippy changed radically when we were in New York." Spence was diagnosed with schizophrenia and spent time in a psychiatric hospital. He was released in 1969 and rejoined Moby Grape for a brief tour, but he left the band soon after.
Spence continued to struggle with mental illness for the rest of his life. He died in 1999 at the age of 52.

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@glennandadriansrocktalk
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@crochunter35
@crochunter35 7 күн бұрын
Thanks for the memories. I saw Moby Grape a couple of times at the Fillmore. Great band. I also saw Jimi at the Fillmore. Greatest show ever.
@arjaylee
@arjaylee Жыл бұрын
I always liked "Omaha" by Moby Grape
@hurdlerock1
@hurdlerock1 Жыл бұрын
I live in Salinas and I went to the Monterey Pop Festival when I was fifteen. I went with my best friend who’s father had an apartment in Monterey that we could spend the night in. We walked to the festival since neither one of us could drive. We couldn’t afford the arena so we bought general admission tickets. I loved the layout. They had booths and venders like the fair. There was a drum circle near the gate that blew my mind. I saw the very first synthesizer and got to play with it. But the part of the story that really intrigued me was about the missing Fender amp. I played guitar in a rock band since Junior High. A short while after the Pop Festival I was offered to buy a Fender Twin reportedly stolen from the event. This guitar player from another Salinas band said that he went up and grabbed this amp and when questioned about it told them that he was going to take it to MPC for the other show. I did end up buying it and when I went to pick it up there were no speakers in it. I had to go to the pawnshop and buy the speakers back. Sorry to say but later on I traded it for a Duel Showman top with two Single Showman bottoms. So it made me wonder if I ended up with the missing amp.
@glennandadriansrocktalk
@glennandadriansrocktalk Жыл бұрын
Could be! Regardless of whether it was or not, it makes a great story. Thanks for sharing - G
@alexgasiewski4970
@alexgasiewski4970 Жыл бұрын
That f--king manager is as responsible as anyone to this day why so few people even have a clue who Moby Grape was
@johnsradios484
@johnsradios484 Жыл бұрын
Listened to one or two of their LPs. Great sounding, great band. Where robbed from top to bottom.
@jamesfitzgerald6636
@jamesfitzgerald6636 Жыл бұрын
Was well aware of Moby in London at that time
@jenniferhill1882
@jenniferhill1882 8 ай бұрын
I love Moby Grape.
@user-mm1se7gy7e
@user-mm1se7gy7e Жыл бұрын
I grew up in Detroit , we liked Moby Grape, along with our locals like Frigid Pink etc, etc, thanks for posting this !
@glennandadriansrocktalk
@glennandadriansrocktalk Жыл бұрын
Our pleasure! I've been following the Grape story for over 30 years... love their catalog, wish Skip could have been a bigger part of it. I have that first Frigid Pink album too - G
@maxsno
@maxsno Жыл бұрын
Dig , Detroit was super, The Frost especially fave of mine , of course MC 5
@user-mm1se7gy7e
@user-mm1se7gy7e Жыл бұрын
@@maxsno Good days !
@user-mm1se7gy7e
@user-mm1se7gy7e Жыл бұрын
@maxsno I never saw the Frost , but I've always been a huge fan of Dick Wagner (and Steve Hunter) !
@marksavage1744
@marksavage1744 Жыл бұрын
Frijid Pink! Sing a Song for Freedom!
@walterfechter8080
@walterfechter8080 Жыл бұрын
"Sitting By the Window" is one of my favorite tunes by Moby Grape. Great memories here. Thanks.
@glennandadriansrocktalk
@glennandadriansrocktalk Жыл бұрын
Mine too! - G
@jackwezesa1081
@jackwezesa1081 Жыл бұрын
I like “Someday “ and “Bitter Wind “. They should have gone places. It was such a shame.
@alexgasiewski4970
@alexgasiewski4970 Жыл бұрын
​@@glennandadriansrocktalkit's a beautiful day today
@glennandadriansrocktalk
@glennandadriansrocktalk Жыл бұрын
@@alexgasiewski4970 Love it. Moby Grape '69 - Peter Lewis. BTW his daughter Arwen has an album out of Grape covers and he contributes to it, released 2015. Most of the songs mentioned in this thread are on it.
@KittyGrizGriz
@KittyGrizGriz Жыл бұрын
Me Too; it’s an ear worm for me; beautiful song!
@bobhoyer775
@bobhoyer775 Жыл бұрын
I saw Moby Grape perform at the Matrix in San Francisco in 1967/68 somewhere. They were great-3 guitars up front. Bob Mosley on bass excelled. 10:29
@timmotel5804
@timmotel5804 Жыл бұрын
Excellent
@GayleMI
@GayleMI 10 ай бұрын
Mosley was The Man. His singing chops were unequaled.
@freddell7358
@freddell7358 Жыл бұрын
I'm from northern New Jersey, the Grape were big there too, with that amazing first album
@AntarblueGarneau
@AntarblueGarneau Жыл бұрын
I played a sitar recital with tabla at the Mt Tamalpais amphitheater in the 1970s. I met Matthew Katz there after he was no longer managing Moby Grape. I think Katz was probably running this festival on Mt Tam. When it was about time for us to go on the stage was covered in direct sunlight. I expressed concern about the delicate Indian instruments and tuning in direct sunlight. I mentioned that it would be good to have a canopy. Thereupon Katz said that I was a "prima donna" and he began comparing me to all the artists he had managed.
@glennandadriansrocktalk
@glennandadriansrocktalk Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing that memory! Sounds about right.
@elgringo8411
@elgringo8411 8 ай бұрын
Yeah, that nutjob Katz. Like others like him, gotta go back to the type of mother who brought him up.
@avdavey
@avdavey 2 ай бұрын
Matthew likely produced that show. His comments are likely true. Given his hard scrabble upbringing he wasn’t typically sympathetic to whining.
@briangallagher2236
@briangallagher2236 8 ай бұрын
Moby Grape’s manager (we know who he is) made life difficult for the Airplane, Moby Grape, and It’s A Beautiful Day
@myradioon
@myradioon Жыл бұрын
Skip Spence's solo record is ethereal greatness. Good info here.
@ronfisher5259
@ronfisher5259 Жыл бұрын
Totally agree-I love OAR
@maximusindicusoblivious180
@maximusindicusoblivious180 Жыл бұрын
@@ronfisher5259 Me too. And Skip played most of the instruments himself.
@ronfisher5259
@ronfisher5259 Жыл бұрын
@@maximusindicusoblivious180 Oh yeah, I think it’s pretty much the definition of a ‘solo album’
@surfwriter8461
@surfwriter8461 Жыл бұрын
I'm a big fan of Moby Grape, especially their early recordings, but I think the Skip Spence "Oar" album is vastly overrated, despite accolades from a number of renowned current recording artists. There are two or three nice songs on the album, but in my view most of the material is quite thin. I highly recommend people unfamiliar with the band instead listen to the first album, which is a classic.
@ronfisher5259
@ronfisher5259 Жыл бұрын
@@surfwriter8461 oh yeah, with a band you get a well rounded sound and I think better songs from the melding of the musicians but I love most of the songs on OAR and the stripped-down simplicity adds to the charm
@rooftopcat1785
@rooftopcat1785 Жыл бұрын
I hear ya, MOBY GRAPE, HE, 8:05, omaha , and so many more.
@IanYoung-ko4ws
@IanYoung-ko4ws Жыл бұрын
That post-Monterey gig was known as "The Panhandle" and was held in Golden Gate Park, Sunday 25th June 1967, Hendrix' appearance was described by Noel Redding as "a strenuous set", the Experience had just arrived in the States and had everything to prove yet. The Otis/Jimi live album shows the level of performance people achieved in those days, and Otis had them in the palm of his hand from the moment he declared "this is the love crowd, right?" and went on to show them what's what. Jimi did the same when he played "Like a Rolling Stone" and a particularly acrobatic "Hey Joe", songs widely covered by the West Coast luminaries, but never quite in that fashion. Moby Grape gave everyone a run for their money, and the American bands, particularly MB, Janis and Big Brother, the Airplane, Country Joe & the Fish and the Blues Project gave stellar performances but it was the black and also British-based performers who really stole the show with their stagecraft. When Hendrix trashed his gear, following The Who's dynamite appearance, somebody said to Pete Townshend "Hey, Pete, he's stealing your act", to which Townshend replied "No, he's DOING my act". There was a new kid in town, ironic in the extreme since Hendrix was an American who had had to go to England and then return to the States to get noticed, after nearly 10 years of being ignored in his own country. Moby Grape should have been huge but the record companies didn't know who or what they were dealing with, and I think that helped to compound Skip's already fragile mental state.
@glennandadriansrocktalk
@glennandadriansrocktalk Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Ian. I referenced the solstice concert on June 21 since that one was explicitly mentioned in Dennis McNally's book "The Long Strange Trip." I notice in retrospect that the panhandle concert was mentioned in the book "This Is All A Dream We Dreamed". I used to have Rock Scully's book too, which talked about those amps, but I can't locate it to reference! Jimi himself used his marshall stack but you can see Fender amps on that flatbed. I have to agree with your assessments, and appreciate the extra info. We have a future vid on the way where we check out Otis's set. - G
@SEKreiver
@SEKreiver Жыл бұрын
Robert Plant is a HUGE Moby Grape fan.
@timmotel5804
@timmotel5804 Жыл бұрын
Very Cool. Thanks guys. Seeing Moby Grape and Skip was wonderful. I had the albums that you showed. To a degree, sadly, I was South East Coast. Born in 1952. It took a while for the "West Coast" music and bands to make it over. Taught myself to play drums in 1964. I still play. I missed so many Live and Local bands and so much music, by living East. Oh Well. Best Regards.
@glennandadriansrocktalk
@glennandadriansrocktalk Жыл бұрын
Appreciate hearing your thoughts!
@KittyGrizGriz
@KittyGrizGriz Жыл бұрын
Found out about Moby Grape from Robert Plant, he loved them and after checking out their music I love them too!❤
@Nazz1967
@Nazz1967 Жыл бұрын
love Monterey Pop, much better than Woodstock i think . I got into Moby Grape about 1991 i think after hearing Omaha on the radio, fantastic alternative radio station played it .I was 20 years old .
@jimdutka2909
@jimdutka2909 Жыл бұрын
Incredible clip. Please don't talk over this classic music. Reverence for one of the greatest least known bands. Doobie Brothers claim MGrape was their inspiration when they began.
@johnstegmeier3758
@johnstegmeier3758 Жыл бұрын
Yes!.... but for good measure, everyone should give the album cuts a good listen. Moby Grape 🍇 was very talented and could really put together some intricate sounds.
@glennandadriansrocktalk
@glennandadriansrocktalk Жыл бұрын
I agree, they are to be revered. We'll try to keep the talking to a minimum while clips are rolling in future vids. - G
@jason698
@jason698 Жыл бұрын
If you don't want to hear no talking look up the clips yourself
@RATCLIFFE-LISTENS
@RATCLIFFE-LISTENS 4 ай бұрын
ThankYou Thank You Thank You. The Group was comprised of some the finest Musicians ever to assemble during that period in the Country. I worked in SF for CBS ( their label) beginning about 4 years later.
@brucybabyy7355
@brucybabyy7355 Жыл бұрын
thanks guys. i have the rhino box + the criterion DVD set of the movie and bands.
@maxsno
@maxsno Жыл бұрын
Dig , without a doubt to a person the most creative and talented individuals, also the most unfortunately screwed by management and misfortune. Moby Grape.
@maximusindicusoblivious180
@maximusindicusoblivious180 Жыл бұрын
I also have the rhino box set. Tiny Tim was also featured well along side Jimi and Otis.
@MobyGrape
@MobyGrape 2 күн бұрын
best band ever
@davidedgar2818
@davidedgar2818 Жыл бұрын
M Smothers doing the intro is amazing to me. I don't think my parents would have watched the brothers had they realized this. My father especially ( he was an Archie Bunker type for sure) I'm about 7 to 9 years to young to have experienced this but I have friends with older brothers and sisters that had gone to Monterrey and then Woodstock. My grandmother had taken a folk music course at Stoney Brook, she had that Dead album and two others.
@AdrianFink
@AdrianFink Жыл бұрын
I don't think Tommy Smothers was even in the movie. He does appear in the Out-takes disc from the 3 DVD set, introducing Paul Simon (who introduced Blues Project). I must admit that Moby Grape footage is new to me.
@koa2341
@koa2341 11 ай бұрын
I knew the Smothers and Dick married an ex, and he was a great guy. Tommy is the biggest asshole I’ve ever been around, and I’ve seen plenty of celebrities.
@rafehr1378
@rafehr1378 Жыл бұрын
73 years old. 17 back when. I still have 2 Moby Grape albums with the back cover showing the "F U" finger on the washboard. Those days of FM radio playing "Heavy" Rock & Roll. AM radio was 3-minute songs, DIck Clark music. Blue Cheer was on American Bandstand. Few were high on LSD too.
@Teleman73
@Teleman73 Жыл бұрын
Big influence on The Doobie Brothers. Tom Johnston hung with Skip quite frequently. The 3 guitar lineup of Johnston, Simmons and Baxter was inspired by Moby.
@KittyGrizGriz
@KittyGrizGriz Жыл бұрын
Wow, had no idea. Love their ‘72 album ‘Toulouse Street’ older brother had it. Saw them in concert, a great band.
@bobyoung1698
@bobyoung1698 Жыл бұрын
You can't talk about the roots of psychedelic rock in San Francisco without giving homage to Moby Grape. They were instrumental (pun intended) in forging a new expression of rock and roll from the tried, true, and rapidly fading folk/rock foundation laid by groups like The Byrds. While psychedelic rock would have been born eventually, the Grape made it happen far more rapidly. Skip Spence was a bit of a genius, but, like Brian Wilson, just couldn't get the magic in his head out fast enough. As Neil Young later said, "It's better to burn out 'cause rust never sleeps." And as for me and Moby Grape, I still love "Omaha" as much as when I first heard it.
@sharktroubles
@sharktroubles Жыл бұрын
Marty Balin fired Alexander "Skip" Spence from Jefferson Airplane when it was discovered that Spence had taken an impromptu trip to Mexico when he was scheduled to play drums at a J.A. gig.
@thomasbell5417
@thomasbell5417 3 ай бұрын
I remember the name of the group "Moby Grape" being thrown around a lot back then. I just cannot remember any of their songs. 🤔
@glennandadriansrocktalk
@glennandadriansrocktalk 3 ай бұрын
check out their first album any way you can!
@avdavey
@avdavey 2 ай бұрын
Matthew Katz passed away in September of 2023. Skippys attack with the fire ax happened at the hotel the band was staying in at the time and not a rehearsal as i understand it. Luckily none of the Band members were there at the time though.
@tickledtodeath0
@tickledtodeath0 Жыл бұрын
Tommy took the acid apparently. I loved Moby Grape. Had the LP at 16 in Ohio
@jeffreyguilbert808
@jeffreyguilbert808 7 ай бұрын
Skip Spencer 😢
@andrewloukidis658
@andrewloukidis658 Жыл бұрын
Somebody posted the whole concert with full sets by all the bands on YT a couple years ago I found, but it was pulled not long after.
@DocJJohnson
@DocJJohnson 7 ай бұрын
Moby grape Monterey pop festival
@jeffclement2468
@jeffclement2468 Жыл бұрын
In the late 70's, my older sister brought home from Goodwill that entire set of picture sleeve 45s from that 1st Grape album and gave them to me. Very little wear, if any, on them. She maybe paid 2 dollars (if that much). I held onto them for years until somebody got 2 of them from me in a trade, thus breaking up the set. Years later, the remaining 3 perished in a flood... Anyway, yeah that was a stupid idea to release them all like that. Fun fact: Their rhythm guitarist Peter Lewis, is the son of actress Loretta Young.
@maximusindicusoblivious180
@maximusindicusoblivious180 Жыл бұрын
I remember the Loretta Young Show back then as a small kid.
@seanconlon2408
@seanconlon2408 Жыл бұрын
Mickey Dolenz saw Hendrix at Monterrey (he'd seen him in Greenwich Village years earlier) and decided Jimi would make a perfect opening act for the Monkees' upcoming tour.
@mikeaustin4138
@mikeaustin4138 Жыл бұрын
Great first album. The second was uneven, to put it charitably. Parenthetically, my cousin dated the Grape's bass player (Bob Mosley?) for a while.
@putzengiler
@putzengiler Жыл бұрын
Saw Moby Grape @ Fillmore East open for B.B. King 6/71 shortly before the venue closed, wasn't one there better outings , B.B. pretty much saved the show...disappointing since I really liked their records..they were pretty much the Buffalo Springfield of S.F.
@glennandadriansrocktalk
@glennandadriansrocktalk Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experience. - G
@mitchgawlik1175
@mitchgawlik1175 11 ай бұрын
Interesting video, Glenn. I'm still such a big fan of that era and its music. Being 16 and in Chicago, there was no way I'd be attending Monterey, but I've got my collection of debut albums (cds now) of the best of the bands to fall back on: The Dead, Country Joe, the Grape, Jefferson Airplane, Buffalo Springfield, Cream, the Doors, the Paupers and the Electric Flag. Was this the most interesting and vibrant time for rock music?
@glennandadriansrocktalk
@glennandadriansrocktalk 11 ай бұрын
Sounds like a great collection to me!
@mitchgawlik1175
@mitchgawlik1175 11 ай бұрын
@@glennandadriansrocktalk It is. I couldn't have been happier with the music I was hearing. Okay, maybe Country Joe's "Electric Music For The Mind and Body" was a bit out there but, still, all those bands released great debut recordings. I just listened to the Youngbloods' debut the other day...a little cheesy, "Elephant Mountain" was a more thought out record, I think, and less ''65-'66 "poppie".
@arjaylee
@arjaylee Жыл бұрын
The Who had an awesome set.
@HamptonGuitars
@HamptonGuitars Жыл бұрын
The best set at Monterey was Ravi Shankar!!
@johnstegmeier3758
@johnstegmeier3758 Жыл бұрын
A shame about the sound quality..but folks were just learning to handle live rock acts and with 3 guitars and a bass with multiple singers... it was a lot. Jefferson Airplane had similar issues with the complexity of their arrangements.
@SpenceCurry
@SpenceCurry Жыл бұрын
Spence had a thing going with Tuesday weld for a while
@RATCLIFFE-LISTENS
@RATCLIFFE-LISTENS Жыл бұрын
The Absolute Finest SF Group ever!! Three Guitars Beautiful Voices Harmonies and the writing on all their Albums was so far above everything else at the time ask Jimmy Page and Robert Plant. Peter Lewis had this deep resonance amazing. If you would like to hear the cleanest recent stuff listen to their Live Show in Austin from about 5-8 years ago. On KZfaq. Jerry Miller ( Lead Guitarist) from my part of the we’re Worlds rated very high in R&R Best Guitarists. They were never equaled. Oh yeah Skip Spence from the Airplane was in the Band writing Omaha and released the Lp as lauded her OAR. Killer.
@koa2341
@koa2341 11 ай бұрын
Clapton called Jerry Miller the best guitarist he’d heard.
@verndebes892
@verndebes892 Жыл бұрын
By the time the group hit Phoenix the whole group was fake or had new members! Matthew Katz was there being a ahole ! The animals opened for the group (Eric Burton’s new animals) they put on a great show! Katz had another band on the ticket don’t remember their name but them and the moby group put on a good show with moby sounding like the first moby! Both of Katz’s group put on a free show which went over good! That’s when a lot of people caught on to the fact that the group wasn’t the same! They learned this from a newspaper reporter! But still it was a good show!
@avdavey
@avdavey 2 ай бұрын
Perhaps Indian Pudding & pipe or Tripsichord Music box?
@larrywaxmunski2053
@larrywaxmunski2053 7 ай бұрын
Watch a clip of them on the old Mike Douglas show.Much better sound.
@stephenbouchelle7706
@stephenbouchelle7706 8 ай бұрын
Musicians’ number one problem is probably substance abuse. #2 is certainly their management.
@skipklauber1162
@skipklauber1162 Жыл бұрын
Whenever I hear the jerks who laud the use of drugs I think of people like Skip Spence and Peter Green.
@koa2341
@koa2341 11 ай бұрын
Couple of bald 70’s guys critiquing great band from the 60’s…Makes sense to me ??
@glennandadriansrocktalk
@glennandadriansrocktalk 11 ай бұрын
Our mom had the record!
@ITS_DEMONA
@ITS_DEMONA Жыл бұрын
So that's moby grape No wonder It's just a bunch of noise with a beat Are you kidding
@richieboy6825
@richieboy6825 Жыл бұрын
It’s not really a fair representation of their stuff. Having said that I’d say most of their songs have some promise but the writing/arranging is incomplete- like they had the beginning of a good idea but didn’t really finish it. Like they had 1/2 of a hook.
@anominous3895
@anominous3895 Жыл бұрын
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