This was my first thought when this video started, why is this even a thing but gasoline or electric at that price

Because you'll never find hydrogen by itself. Its always bound to something else.

@@Jedi2155 Right on Jedi. Todays hydrogen comes from natural gas, which releases slightly more CO2 than if you burned it outright.

It tends to float away.

My first thought was why don’t you just make your own

I feel the exact same way about about full battery electric BEV vehicles. I have a PHEV and when I can charge of the easily it always is but if it's ever a hassle forget it I'll just go to the gas station be done 300 something miles of range and 2 minutes stations everywhere I fall and point. If I even went out of gas on the freeway in the middle of the mountains of the country at 3:00 a.m. I can walk over to a farmer's house and borrow a gas can I'm sure he's got laying around the barn anything more inconvenient than that is abuse

@@ondago2 Um…. Nobody with a PhD in anything should have the kind of troubles you just said with EVs. People with GEDs are doing just fine with EVs.

@@ultrastoat3298 Voice dictation. It was supposed to be PHEV, not PhD. I do have advanced degrees but definitely wasn't tryign to say that there!

@@ondago2 haha. 😂. Yah for a second there I was like what is this guy talking about.

​@@ondago2 As BEV takes over, and it will, gas stations will be as rare and expensive as this hydrogen station. Your ICE portion of the car will be useless.

What is that place?

@@scottbreaker256 air quality district off by the 60 and grand I believe

Why? Please expand 😮😮😮😮

@@MrAboutLife well, they do have a lab, and the inside reminds me of resident evil movie with all the cubicles

Gotta kiss me before you screw me LOL Terrible 💩💩

Pimped out by the liberal green boogie man.

@@jamesofsandiego politics have nothing to do with it

​@@StevenScarboroughIt has everything to do with it, the federal government creates the cafe standards for mileage and emissions, if a manufacturer wants to make big gas guzzling suvs for example they need to offset that with some other types of vehicles, namely rechargeable or in this case hydrogen, you see how it works and it's the Democrat party who are beholding to the big environmental wacko groups who donate heavily to the Democrat coffers, they say jump and the Democrats say how high, this forces manufacturers to produce vehicles nobody or few people want, don't be ignorant about the powers that be.

LOL

I doubt anybody would be stupid enough to purchase hydrogen vehicles, since they have little or no resale value with hydrogen at >$30 / kg. and no fuel vouchers.

@@cyclopsvision6370 I bought it when Hydrogen was $12/kg, it was the height of new car shortage, and Used Cars were more expensive than new cars.

@@cyclopsvision6370i doubt anyone would be stupid enough to comment what you just commented after watching this video

​@@cyclopsvision6370 Toyota have incentive now. $15k or 6 years. Hydrogen vehicle is still very new. Guess who getting punch in the guts now

​@crazywildman $15k at $180 per fill up only get you 83 fills up 😂 I'll stick with my gas powered Crosstrek and get the same range per tank if not more and I'll be able to fill up nearly 3x as much as hydrogen with $15k all while being able to travel the entire country and not just whats within a fill up stations range 😂😂

only refuling stations in 340 mile radius. so just enough...

In Germany you get it on a high pressure station for around 14 Euros per kilogram, but the government subsidizes.

Thats about what it cost in Denmark with a big block powered Cadillac and a heavy foot

Yep and I thought EVs were bad.

My 2014 Expedition EL has a better $/mile cost.

WHAT !!!????

After my experience with the mirai. I don't care about green peace and fuel efficiency benefits anymore. I'm going to look for a s580 coupe now .

How much to replace a fvcking EV BATTERY? FYI. FYI

​@@michaelbren3635EV battery idk, but hybrid batteries are easy and cheap DIY replacements.

Also the cost on tire wear is far more than regular vehicles

Yep, I was calculating it out and with my current winter peak electric rate at home I can go about 4,300 miles in my Model Y (assuming 3.5 miles per kWh) for $180 of electricity. Hydrogen prices are insanity.

I can drive my 1996 outback for easily 1200 miles on 180 bucks!!

@@Alniemimy 4 runner cant even get 220 miles and I pay $60 😂

Better sell it off before the battery goes bust!

I can go for like 900 miles in my 335i 😭😭

Yep. I feel the same.

AMEN😂

😂😂 this is the "better" alternative oil companies recommend tho

Yep, and even when EA is down, there's usually other charging stations to choose from. You also have plenty of Level 2 stations, and worst case 120V (Level 1) AC charging.

@@TheSeanUhTron Fact’s

At Biden prices, for me Trump prices were 40% lower...BEFORE COVID.

@@carlfrye1566 What were price during covid under trump

Yeah right

it is prob better for the environment too lol

The difference is your truck is actually fun to drive too, why in the world would you want that absurd car 😂

@@PNW_Sportbike_Life15.6 MPG it works out to, they can easily get 24mpg of you big toe the trottle.

Raptors are junk. Dated interior , high price for so so performance . Built in design flaws they fix with new model refresh. Lol you just haven't realized it yet.

no shit, this is what elon has been saying but nooooooo hes trying to sell ev's so hes biased

Early adopters do this kind of thing all the time. They take a financial kick to the nuts for fun and to help advance the boundaries of what's technologically normal. We regular people owe a lot to them.

⁠​⁠@@polarvortex3294except that these early adopters have been “taking the financial kick to the nuts” for the past 10 years now, and hydrogen cars have made almost zero progress. Meanwhile EVs in that same time span have made leaps and bounds forward. It should be clear by now that hydrogen has no place in mainstream passenger vehicles for the foreseeable future, and the automakers who are still trying to peddle hydrogen cars are just doing it to divert attention away from from battery EVs.

​@@TylerHartheland how is Elon doing anything different?

That car has 19k miles on it. This means he's spent over $10,000 on fuel to go those 19k miles. But I guess Toyota gives you a $15,000 fuel card. So once that is run through, you'll be spending more money on fuel than the car is worth

Yeah but...but...but... the future....emissions...but...global warming, I mean, climate change...I mean...

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Hydrogen has always been a scam

Yes it’s expensive but when vehicle was purchased Toyota gives you 15k in fuel credit

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Inflation!!

it gave you gas pain.

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I used to drive by that station all the time too!! back from 2013 to 2015. I only ever noticed one car filling up every few days. 😂

​​@@gustavocarrillo6754now its diffrent lots of lines

I believe that station is actually the first public hydrogen station in the US so it’s kind of historic as well 😅

And it's closing soon because Shell is removing Hydrogen services lol. The councilmembers in Torrance said "We hope we can replace that station when it does shutdown" which to mean sounds that it's not a priority to replace. One less fueling station!

Alas here on Earth, Hydrogen is always mixed up with other elements. Splitting it away from those elements is what makes it expensive.

Hydrogen just isn't cheap to make. Also most abundant in the universe doesn't mean s**t here on Earth. On Earth while Hydrogen is abundant... it is mostly from water. Good luck getting straight up hydrogen. Solar is just there on the other hand.

Most abundant element, yes. But it takes an efficient hydrogen generator 48 kWh of electricity to make just 1 Kg of hydrogen from water. And that doesn't include the cost of resin for de-ionizing the water and maintenance. It's just not practical. People talk about EVs being impractical. This even makes EVs seem like a godsend.

Are there any German hydrogen vloggers who share the realities of it like this fine fella does in California? Is it actually great, are there lines, what's the reliability etc.

@@brushlessmotoring There are a few German fcev owners in a Facebook group I frequent. Generally they do not have the lines or downtime like here in California because they do not have the number of vehicles to hit their stations as hard as we do.

Thats no realistic price, its a political one and can change any time to free market and then - Good Night.

As if any American knows how far Munich to flemsburg is.

They have google maps! :D @@maxwellblackwell5045

Let me guess, you know nothing about engineering.

They’ve to put a bigger battery to make it plug in hybrid- Mirai has a battery capacity of 1.2kw fuel cell which can run tops 4-5 miles if charged. That’s where hydrogen is used as fuel to charge the battery to power the motor.

Yeah a triple hybrid would have been awesome

A big battery is a great idea, then you dont need this hydrogenstuff. Oh wait a second, maybe such things already exist.........

@@ingo_8628 right hydrogen technology for light vehicles have been a failure

I can eek out about 200 miles in a car from 1966 with a 20gal tank and it's not a high compression engine so it will run 87 without an issue. I can get damn near 400 miles in a 2004 Suburban and the truck LS engines are also just fine on standard octane gas. Hydrogen is absurdly expensive.

Hydrogen fuel cell are a mature proven technology. The only thing holding it back is the cost, which is 5x the cost of gasoline or diesel.

​@cyclopsvision6370 Look at "Mr. Technically Speaking" over here...dork.

it would be if the government didnt tax the living shit out of it. 80% of that costs is all taxes.

​@@cyclopsvision6370the only thing holding it back is thermodynamics.

It's only a $15k offset if you use it all before you let go of the car lol It took one year you say for it to become expensive so I'd get rid of it as soon as possible and take the loss. $180 for ~350 miles is just insane in a sedan.

​@@TWAAAAACKSthe resale value is even worse, most around me sell for under $10,000 (lowest I saw was $7000). I would almost consider one at that price if there was a station near me, but the nearest one is 40 miles away, so I already lose 80 miles of the 350 miles of range lol.

Why would someone buy a hydrogen car over an EV? The range is about the same. It’s a little quicker to fill up is the only advantage I see. Hydrogen is never going to be as cheap as electricity. You’re either using electricity to make the hydrogen or it’s coming from a petroleum source. Making hydrogen from electricity is way less efficient than using it directly in an EV. It’s never going to be as safe. Batteries make some impressive bright yellow flames, but hydrogen flames are invisible and hydrogen is extremely explosive. 🧨 I don’t get it.

I'm hoping that hydrogen production improves and lowers the cost. If not, I'll trade and do it again if Toyota is still offering the same deal or sell the car for $1500 and break even.@@TWAAAAACKS

​@@JefferyDunham-fi1wyWhy would production improve when the number of vehicles keeps going down? Hydrogen is dead.

Well, if not them then at least your electricity provider would be supportive. 💰

Doesn't it cost over 100k to install one?

@@jpizel1070closer to a Million

Extract hydrogen from the water by urself. Isn’t hard process 😒

😂

This is why Toyota gives 15k credit for the fuel, even with that people don't want to own hydrogen cars.

​@@Zripas That 15k is added to the vehicle price. Don't think for a second Toyota cares about their customers.

@@ZripasI wonder why those people still took the chance… because free 15k? I still cannot wrap my head around it for all the hassle.

Usually people say that hyperbolically. But in this case, even free isnt worth it.

@@michaeltan9512 With that initial 15k it might be somewhat cheaper to go around, but people usually just sell the car after this 15k runs out, which is quite quickly. And when it comes to hydrogen car lowers, they simply want to be that guy who drives on "water" and can get few brownie points from his friends or something. To lazy to look up actual numbers in how many people buys Hydrogen car for the second time, but I suspect that number is in single percentage numbers.

Скоро будет некуда и его заправлять.

fk russia

Does it work in the electric fuel cell the same?

@@crisbowmanNo lol they’re running hydrogen internal combustion

@@JohnMaxGriffin Right, the vehicle in this video is not a combustion engine, but a fuel cell. I theorize it as a possible future to green power. Not cheaper, but the cheapest safe option...

Wake me up in September

What a silly comment.

Or just fuel hybrid at any station

it sucks because for renters (and that's most of us in california who aren't landed gentry) owning an EV is pretty much impossible because you lose the "charge at home" aspect. hydrogen could have been a great way of doing clean fuel for cars but at these prices it's beyond insane to consider

if you have a home. Other than that you gonna be waiting at the charging station.

@@Baebon6259the great you g about Tesla’s is you can kill time watching Netflix. Believe me time passes by fast. I used to charge and come home and wasted 20 miles but now there are 2 super chargers within 1-2 miles.

You don't have a big expensive battery that will need replacement (assuming it doesn't catch on fire) and you'll save a lot of money on tires. As a bonus, making hydrogen uses a lot of electricity and generates CO2, and burning hydrogen generates water vapor - both "greenhouse" gases. You can't make this stuff up.

Till Westberg purchased a Hyundai ix35 seven years ago for the reasonable sum of €50,200-roughly $55,000 nowadays. Known as the Hyundai Tuscon in the U.S., the ix35 was offered with hydrogen power in limited numbers, with the gas used to generate electricity for the drivetrain via a fuel cell. Westberg drove the car for years without fault, racking up over 52,000 miles before disaster struck. Sadly, Westberg's ix35 simply stopped working one day. The SUV began throwing an error message on the screen when powered up, and would no longer drive. Unfortunately for the German resident, repair seems out of the question. Upon approaching Hyundai for a fix, Westberg was presented with a monstrous €103,764.17 ($113,000) repair bill for the fuel cell system. Tragically, the vehicle, purchased on the cusp of 2016, is now well past its standard five-year warranty period.

@@rogerwilcojrthe Mirai is a hydrogen fuel cell hybrid car; it does not emit any CO2. The Mirai does have a drive battery, albeit a small one, just like any hybrid. The fuel cell itself is expected to replaced after 150,000 to 200,000 miles - modern EV batteries should actually outlast a fuel cell. Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles make no sense to me, at least not for light transport.

@@glennjgroves I was referring to making hydrogen by using a lot of electricity being generated by power plants generating CO2 by burning coal or natural gas. It's kind of like Tesla using diesel generators at their super charger stations.

@@rogerwilcojr you literally referring to burning hydrogen. (Though you also referred to making hydrogen using electricity. So partly accurate.) Electricity generation is swapping over to green generation, admittedly over the next 10 to 20 years say. In the long run hydrogen using electricity will be clean. Wasteful and probably a bad idea where electricity can be used directly, but clean.

Not damn long

I mean, supercharging is literally the easiest way to fuel ANY vehicle. It may not be the fastest, but by far the easiest. You literally just grab the cable and plug in. No apps, no cards, not even a buttons (Aside from pressing the "Open charge door" button on the handle).

for all the crap Tesla gets and deserves about their QC, their charging network is second to none. The same can't be said about hydrogen.

If only hybrids weren’t the most likely cars to spontaneously catch fire of any drive type on the road. They’d be damn near perfect

​@@engineeringtheweirdguy2103lol thats a lie since inhave never seen or heard of them catch on fire. Friends and family members all drive either hybrid or EV. I have seen ICE cars catch on fire though

@@samjam6989 EV’s are 20-60 times less likely to catch fire compared to ICE’s. But hybrids are 3 times MORE likely to catch fire compared to ICE’s. The data is there. You can look it up yourself.

@@engineeringtheweirdguy2103 Where? I've never seen nor heard a word about that.

@@Henry_Jr_Watsson according to various insurance companies, and road safety regulators around the world. The hurst estimate I ever saw of was autoinsuranceEZ.

Push the menu buttton on your dash, o to apps. and push fuel. Boom.

With margins of scale sure it would. It'd be far cheaper than gasoline if its infrastructure was as expansive.

you forget something... limited supply. its not infrastructure, its literally how you make Hydrogen. if you want to expand hydrogen fueled cars like now electric cars are, you need make magnitudes more hydrogen then currently on the market. to do so you need to build big plants that make hydrogen from sea water. but there is a catch, you need 24/7 giant supply of electricity to do so. thus you cant use solar/wind. you have two choices fossil fuel burning or Nuclear. the most effective way would be to build a nuclear reactor to directly supply energy to the giant plant. the point is, the only way Hydrogen is good as fuel if its 100% GREEN Hydrogen, thus the nuclear power plant is the way to go, now to build that on top of a giant hydrogen plant, the investment is ungodly high, thus you need to factor it in, into the price of the Hydrogen's kg.. so it would be more expensive for a long time before the whole thing even brakes even.. so the fuel would be even more expensive not cheaper. and you need trucks to haul hydrogen, another cost. on the other hand, if you have a house and solar you plug in the car and its "free" fuel. for most people who drive 30-60 miles/day electric cars are great. @@IkaikaArnado

@@JackMelqartI'm a noob in this. So according to your explanation, it's easier to cut the chase and use electricity directly produced from power plants to power EVs; why go through another process to produce hydrogen? Both EVs and hydrogen powered autos were not invented last night, it only matters if they actually become efficient in market scale in reality.

@@IkaikaArnado no, it will not ever scale, unless they can properly do solid storage of hydrogen, it will never be competitive, unless they practically give it away for free, it has been and will always be a nonstarter out the gate. It’s quite simple, look at the physical space and storage capacity of this hydrogen car, and compare it to a Mod Y, which is a smaller car.

i talk about the cost of GREEN hydrogen, cos only that is worth to use. and just some numbers.. an ice cars fuel efficiency is 13%, Hydrogen 27%, battery electric 73%@@MMLL369

They are only available in California.

That just means you don’t live in LA or SF bay area. I see a lot of Mirais and hyundai hydrogen cars around. Seems cool but the infrastructure never happened. I have a BEV and love it.

Your tesla, outside of the fake battery range albeit still decent, is a piece of crap. Firsthand experience with a model s here, so I'm fairly unbiased

@@ChristianC-gy1ym Well I would gladly take the "piece of crap" and pocket the $600 I would save each month over the hydrogen car which would cover my car payments making the Tesla free (by comparison). As soon as it went out of warrenty I would buy another free one. Until hydrogen price and availability is addressed this makes no sense - why throw your money away?

@@ChristianC-gy1ym I think what you meant to say was that your(Cristian's) Tesla was a piece of crap. Like any mass produced vehicle there will be lemons. I'm a car enthusiast in my 50's, I've owned a lot of cars(currently have a classic mustang, ford pickup, 2 BMW's, a Lincoln SUV, Tesla Model X and Model 3) and my Teslas have been the most reliable cars I've ever owned. Maybe I got the only good Teslas out there, seems unlikely though. Probably as unlikely as you getting the only bad Tesla.

@@jltb5283 OK fine, if I'm being honest I would take a tesla over the mirai lol. But only if I only had those as my options. Otherwise no thank you on tesla. No thanks on hydrogen. The tech is just not there despite what all of you alternative energy advocates are saying.

@@shannonlawhorn1674 Just not a huge fan of Tesla's build quality. I think ICE is still king and not going away anytime. Plug in hybrids seem to be the perfect solution for now. Around town, you potentially never have to tap into your gas tank -- just come home n charge it overnight. For longer trips the car will start burning gas and you never have to worry about range anxiety since there's a gas station everywhere

My thoughts also.

Air Products net income for 2022 was $2.24 billion and they make their own hydrogen, so they can afford to reduce the price at the dispenser. I would imagine that because Air Products is only 33% green hydrogen would make it cheaper as well.

The Mira is around 23 to 25% efficient, which is no better than a typical ICE.

I tend to shy away from using overall efficiency. In my opinion MPG and MPGe are better metrics than "efficiency" as overall efficiency is very difficult to calculate or even define, while the MPG figures roughly translate to energy required for a set distance. 2022 Mirai is tested at around 65 MPGe and 2024 Corolla hatchback is tested at around 38 MPG (both by Car and Driver). I'd still wager to say the Mirai is noticeably more efficient than a typical ICE car.

Wow that's a really great argument against the tour of them arrive with you obviously bought pretty much as an experiment as a KZfaqr but in reality everything that you just argued I could say the same about ice gasoline or diesel cars every single downside that you list against this Mariah I can list against an electrical car every price Delta like paying three and four and five times as much for electricity at a quote unquote supercharger is the same silliness that we think about paying for an electric car and then acting like you either save the world or save money on fuel and keep it 10 years and see what happens when you have to pay $20,000 to replace a battery see if you saving a few money then hilarious you may be entire argument but you make it for a vehicle to have the exact same downfall

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​@@ondago2what are you blabbing about? Replacing battery? Like hydrogen cars will never breakdown 😂

Using at-home night recharging costing 8 cents per Kw, I look at about 3 cents per mile for my Tesla. After seeing this video, it's easy to understand why hydrogen vehicles aren't doing well.

And in Australia, where rooftop solar is very common electricity is practically free depending on when you charge.

That sounds right for my 40 foot school bus. You just suck it up when you take it on a trip.

@@daviddennis5789 My tesla in TN cost 2.8 cents a mile to charge.

I think the identity BS is anti vandalism. In certain parts of the country electric charging stations are getting torn up and hydrogen infrastructure is a lot more expensive.

My Ford Focus runs about 40 to fill for the same miles, bit more actually.

Some people like love pain, like BDSM.

Throw in solar and it's even less. Granted, having a Tesla AND a solar system would be insanely expensive up front.

Heck $40-50 gets me 500 miles on my normal commute. I fill up once a month and if i do all highway i can get 800 miles a tank on the same $50. This just just insane and had no idea it was that expensive for such little range. I can see why hydrogen is not taking off. I drive a 2014 Jetta TDI I got for 10K before the crazy car prices and I plan to keep it till the wheels fall off. lol Funny enough all 3 vehicles i own gets over 50MPG on the highway. Don't even wanna know what's it like for people with BIG V8 and V6 trucks/SUVs.

@@HifeMan That's why I have my big V8s and a toyota 4 banger. One big V8 is a car that I drive for fun, one is a 2004 Suburban 4x4 that I use like a truck. The Camry gets 30-ish mpg and I got it for $4500.

How are they more polluting than ice ¿ if anything, lithium batteries mining depletes undergrwater and destruction , which hampers environment

Wait till 2030, price of hydrogen will decrease

@@jashanvirsingh2166Hydrogen will never be a solution for cars. It takes way to much money to produce and transport. It make no sense at all. BEV’s by 2030’s will be cheaper and much more efficient, reliable and more accessible. 😅 Good luck 🍀

@@pangert1 pls tell me one answer which is more abundant on planet, hydrogen or lithium ¿

The battery is very small on these cars, it's functions like a capacitor to smooth the flow of electricity. I believe Honda is coming out with a new CRV that is a plugin FCEV and it functions much like you mentioned instead of having a gasoline generator it has a hydrogen fuel cell generator.

Toyota is giving out a 'free' $15,000 fuel card, most Mirai owners are selling their car when the fuel card runs out of money. However, if you turned that $15,000 into miles travelled, at 54.7 cents per mile thats 27,500 miles. In a gas car, to go the same distance, that would only be a few thousand dollars, in a home charged EV, even less. So the $15,000 might seem generous, but at those prices, it doesn't last long, the promise at the time was that by the time the fuel card runs out, hydrogen would much cheaper, the same price. as gasoline. That is not the case at the moment. January (2024) might be a different picture, when the Inflation Reduction Act comes in with more subsidies for hydrogen and green hydrogen production. Personally, I'm skeptical, the physics are the physics, it's takes a lot of renewable energy to make truly green hydrogen, and that will always make it more expensive.

Exactly, it never made sense to me. So in order to make H2, you need electricity to split it and then you fill up the vehicle with H2 and then the vehicle uses the Fuel Cell to produce electricity to power the vehicle. It's doing twice the work when the end product is electricity.

Damn your power is expensive It costs less than 50 a month for me

You are trying to look at this logically like a normal rational person. Put on your California Silicone Valley hat and it all makes sense. Delusion can be fun albeit expensive but who cares if you are making $500,000 a year doing basicly nothing at Google or Apple?

It's big oils attempt to indirectly sell us natural gas. As to Mirai, free fuel card & 0% interest.

Still a kick in the nads, at the end of the day.

Yeah they really bury the details of what it takes to go from Grey to Blue Hydrogen.] At least Shell had the sense to pull out after years of trying.

Hydrogen is not fossil fuel though

@@LAbitcoinshow Hydrogen is mostly made by burning methane, with CO2 released into the atmosphere, it's still really a combustion car, it's just that the combustion already happened at an oil refinery, so at least the tailpipe is clean. While it is possibly to make it from water using electricity, and I think that is how this hydrogen at the True Zero stations is made (not 100% though) but, if you look at the 54kWh of renewable electricity you need per kg of truly green hydrogen, and compare it to the 18kWh an EV needs to go the same distance you then have to question what other CO2 emitting you could have abated with that extra 200% of electricity that got wasted to propel a car via hydrogen vs. battery, you also have to look at the 120 million tons of fossil fuel hydrogen we use, and question whether a car is the best place to deploy the small amount of green hydrogen we do make when an EV is more efficient at using that same renewable electricity.

@@LAbitcoinshow No, but the fossil fuel/oil industry desperately want hydrogen to succeed, then they can once again take over the production, distribution and pricing, to keep those massive profits they've always been accustomed to, rolling in.....

That is $14.70 in Tundra Pesos.