This week’s episode includes a powerful story of the toll burnout can take on us, challenging our perception of our values and who we are. In this episode, we continue our burnout recovery journey by diving even deeper into the concepts and experiences of moral distress and moral injury. Co-hosts Amy and Paul reflect on the story of a clinician who found himself wondering what kind of person and healthcare provider he had become, what led him to that place, and the patient experience that changed his and his patient’s life.

Our Hosts:
Amy Pearlman, MSW, LICSW
Amy Pearlman is a quintessential social worker with a strong desire to improve healthcare outcomes. She believes that the best way to support the largest number of people is through engaging the community of providers and allies. She has transitioned between provider and payer settings over the course of her career to develop her clinical skills and maximize her empathy of provider experience, with the mission of aligning perspectives around a shared focus and goal to improve healthcare for individuals and families. Her clinical expertise is in crisis intervention, community based care, and clinical program design. Amy believes that healthcare is strongly tied to the health of care providers and is proud to support the healthcare system in this way.
Paul Deger, MA, LPC, PT
Paul Deger is a mindfulness-based intervention specialist. He has been in the healthcare delivery world for 35 years - first as a physical therapist, then as a licensed professional counselor. Paul has worked in a broad range of healthcare environments - inpatient, outpatient, ER and home-based. He also has served as a trainer for health care providers - covering clinical and self-care topics. Paul has seen - and experienced provider burnout - and has found sustainable ways forward. A life-long learner, he seeks out ways to exemplify being human and professional, accessing head and heart, balancing self-care and caring for others. To learn more about Paul, click here (mindfulnesstrainer.com/) .

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